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Jan 11, 2005 City Council - 01/11/2005

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I 41 00:01:59.021 --> 00:02:05.021 KNOW AND YOU KNOW WHAT 55 00:02:41.001 --> 00:02:57.001

WE'RE >> AND I ALSO WANT TO 60 00:03:07.015 --> 00:03:10.011 WELCOME AND ACKNOWLEDGE AT HER 61 00:03:10.011 --> 00:03:12.024 FIRST CITY COUNCIL MEMBER 62 00:03:12.024 --> 00:03:13.005 MEETING I SHOULD SAY COUNCIL 63 00:03:13.005 --> 00:03:15.011 MEMBER NANCY PYLE. WELCOME, 64 00:03:15.011 --> 00:03:16.015 NANCY. LET'S GIVE NANCY A ROUND 65 00:03:16.015 --> 00:03:17.015 >> OF APPLAUSE. GREAT TO HAVE 66 00:03:17.015 --> 00:03:19.009 YOU. IT'S GREAT TO HAVE >> YOU. 67 00:03:19.009 --> 00:03:24.026 WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO >> 68 00:03:24.026 --> 00:03:24.021 SERVING WITH YOU. ALL RIGHT. 69 00:03:24.021 --> 00:03:26.001 ALL RIGHT. THE FIRST ITEM AS 70 00:03:26.001 --> 00:03:28.005 ALWAYS IS THE INVOCATION. AND 71 00:03:28.005 --> 00:03:29.021 FOR THAT I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE 72 00:03:29.021 --> 00:03:30.017 COUNCILMEMBER LINDA LAZAR. >> 73 00:03:30.017 --> 00:03:32.017 I'M ON THIS SIDE NOW. I KNOW 74 00:03:32.017 --> 00:03:34.028 SWISHED ALL AROUND HERE. THANK 75 00:03:34.028 --> 00:03:36.020 YOU, MAYOR. AT THIS TIME I'D 76 00:03:36.020 --> 00:03:38.001 LIKE TO ASK SONIA'S SERVANT 77 00:03:38.001 --> 00:03:41.019 MITCH TO COME FORWARD. WHO'S 78 00:03:41.019 --> 00:03:42.019 SHE'S GOING TO GIVE OUR 79 00:03:42.019 --> 00:03:43.017 INVOCATION AND SONIA >> IS ONE 80 00:03:43.017 --> 00:03:47.019 OF THE TWO VOLUNTEERS WHO 81 00:03:47.019 --> 00:03:48.000 FOUNDED THE EASTERN EUROPEAN 82 00:03:48.000 --> 00:03:50.029 SERVICE AGENCY IN 1993 WHICH 83 00:03:50.029 --> 00:03:53.015 WAS DEDICATED TO ASSIST NEW 84 00:03:53.015 --> 00:03:56.024 IMMIGRANTS AND REFUGEES FROM 85 00:03:56.024 --> 00:03:57.004 THE FORMER YUGOSLAVIA AND 86 00:03:57.004 --> 00:03:59.029 EASTERN EUROPE WITH 87 00:03:59.029 --> 00:03:59.023 TRANSLATION, IMMIGRATION AND 88 00:03:59.023 --> 00:04:01.008 COUNSELING SERVICES AS WELL AS 89 00:04:01.008 --> 00:04:03.020 TO ASSIST IN THE ASSIMILATION 90 00:04:03.020 --> 00:04:04.023 INTO THE AMERICAN SOCIETY. AND 91 00:04:04.023 --> 00:04:07.002 I THINK SONIA, IF YOU WANTED TO 92 00:04:07.002 --> 00:04:09.028 YOU COULD JUST STAND AT THAT 93 00:04:09.028 --> 00:04:09.001 PODIUM WHILE I CONTINUE TO 94 00:04:09.001 --> 00:04:11.028 INTRODUCE YOU TO >> LISA'S 95 00:04:11.028 --> 00:04:13.004 CLIENTELE IS COMPRISED 96 00:04:13.004 --> 00:04:15.011 OF REFUGEES FROM BOSNIA, 97 00:04:15.011 --> 00:04:16.012 CROATIA, KOSOVO, SERBIA AND 98 00:04:16.012 --> 00:04:18.007 RUSSIA. 80% OF THEIR CLIENTS 99 00:04:18.007 --> 00:04:20.023 ARE FROM BOSNIA AND 80% OF THEM 100 00:04:20.023 --> 00:04:21.003 ARE MUSLIM. THE OTHER 20% ARE A 101 00:04:21.003 --> 00:04:24.000 MIXTURE OF CATHOLIC AND 102 00:04:24.000 --> 00:04:25.009 ORTHODOX. TODAY EASA IS THE 103 00:04:25.009 --> 00:04:27.023 ONLY NONPROFIT AGENCY IN THE 104 00:04:27.023 --> 00:04:28.006 UNITED STATES THAT IS FOLEY 105 00:04:28.006 --> 00:04:30.019 COMPRISED OF A BILINGUAL AND 106 00:04:30.019 --> 00:04:31.001 BICULTURAL STAFF WHO SPEAK 107 00:04:31.001 --> 00:04:33.017 ALBANIAN, BOSNIAN, CROATIAN, 108 00:04:33.017 --> 00:04:34.006 SERBIAN AND RUSSIAN AND ARE 109 00:04:34.006 --> 00:04:36.022 TRAINED FAMILY ADVOCATES IN 110 00:04:36.022 --> 00:04:37.011 CASE MANAGERS EXPERIENCED AND 111 00:04:37.011 --> 00:04:39.006 EXPERIENCED IN ADDRESSING THE 112 00:04:39.006 --> 00:04:41.012 NEEDS OF REFUGEES AND 113 00:04:41.012 --> 00:04:42.012 IMMIGRANTS FROM THE FORMER 114 00:04:42.012 --> 00:04:43.011 YUGOSLAVIA IN EASTERN EUROPE. 115 00:04:43.011 --> 00:04:45.016 SONJA WAS BORN IN THE FORMER 116 00:04:45.016 --> 00:04:46.009 YUGOSLAVIA WHAT IS NOW KNOWN AS 117 00:04:46.009 --> 00:04:48.017 CROATIA AND HAS LIVED IN 118 00:04:48.017 --> 00:04:49.002 CALIFORNIA SINCE 1962. SONJA 119 00:04:49.002 --> 00:04:52.003 THE MICROPHONE IS YOURS. THANK 120 00:04:52.003 --> 00:04:54.029 YOU FOR BEING HERE. THANK YOU 121 00:04:54.029 --> 00:04:55.010 FOR HAVING ME. THIS IS A GREAT 122 00:04:55.010 --> 00:04:58.014 HONOR TO BE HERE AND ESPECIALLY 123 00:04:58.014 --> 00:05:00.012 FOR THE FIRST COUNCIL >> 124 00:05:00.012 --> 00:05:01.017 MEETING FOR 2005. IT'S ALSO AN 125 00:05:01.017 --> 00:05:03.014 OPPORTUNITY TO WISH ALL OF US A 126 00:05:03.014 --> 00:05:05.012 VERY HAPPY, PROSPEROUS AND 127 00:05:05.012 --> 00:05:07.008 HEALTHY 2005. AS COUNCIL IT WAS 128 00:05:07.008 --> 00:05:12.012 VERY SAD. MY NAME IS SONJA TATE 129 00:05:12.012 --> 00:05:14.000 AND I'M THE DEPUTY DIRECTOR 130 00:05:14.000 --> 00:05:16.003 OF EASTERN EUROPEAN SERVICE 131 00:05:16.003 --> 00:05:17.015 AGENCY, THE AGENCY THAT WAS 132 00:05:17.015 --> 00:05:19.024 BORN OUT OF THE NEED FOR THE 133 00:05:19.024 --> 00:05:22.025 LANGUAGE AND HELP >> FOR THE 134 00:05:22.025 --> 00:05:24.005 FIRST REFUGEES >> THAT CAME TO 135 00:05:24.005 --> 00:05:27.029 THE BAY AREA. ACTUALLY THE VERY 136 00:05:27.029 --> 00:05:28.011 FIRST ONES WE GOT INVOLVED WITH 137 00:05:28.011 --> 00:05:30.014 WERE NOT EVEN IN THE CITY 138 00:05:30.014 --> 00:05:31.015 OF SAN JOSE. THEY WERE IN 139 00:05:31.015 --> 00:05:32.006 SAN FRANCISCO. VERY >> SHORTLY 140 00:05:32.006 --> 00:05:35.001 AFTER DAD WE BROUGHT THEM HERE 141 00:05:35.001 --> 00:05:37.027 AND IT SNOWBALLED. WE 142 00:05:37.027 --> 00:05:39.028 INCORPORATED IN 95 BECAUSE WE 143 00:05:39.028 --> 00:05:42.011 SAW THAT THE TWO OF US COULD 144 00:05:42.011 --> 00:05:44.013 NOT DO THIS ALONE. SOME OF THE 145 00:05:44.013 --> 00:05:47.007 REFUGEES WHO HAD COME ALSO 146 00:05:47.007 --> 00:05:49.029 JOINED OUR STAFF ACTUALLY OUR 147 00:05:49.029 --> 00:05:50.008 VOLUNTEERS BECAUSE WE WERE A 148 00:05:50.008 --> 00:05:52.018 VOLUNTEER AGENCY ALL THE WAY >> 149 00:05:52.018 --> 00:05:53.005 UNTIL 1998 WHEN WE GOT THE 150 00:05:53.005 --> 00:05:57.000 FIRST FUNDING. AT THAT TIME I 151 00:05:57.000 --> 00:05:59.005 WAS TOTALLY BURNT OUT AND I 152 00:05:59.005 --> 00:06:02.013 WENT AND WORKED IN BOSNIA FOR 153 00:06:02.013 --> 00:06:04.009 16 MONTHS THINKING THAT THAT 154 00:06:04.009 --> 00:06:06.027 WOULD RELIEVE ME BUT ACTUALLY 155 00:06:06.027 --> 00:06:07.002 >> IT DIDN'T. BUT IT ALSO GAVE 156 00:06:07.002 --> 00:06:11.015 ME A VERY CLEAR PICTURE >> 157 00:06:11.015 --> 00:06:12.017 OF WHAT THESE PEOPLE HAD GONE 158 00:06:12.017 --> 00:06:13.009 THROUGH AND HOW THEY HAD LIVED. 159 00:06:13.009 --> 00:06:17.006 I >> CAME BACK AFTER THE 160 00:06:17.006 --> 00:06:19.024 BOMBINGS IN SERBIA >> AND 161 00:06:19.024 --> 00:06:21.014 BELIEVE ME I GOT A TASTE 162 00:06:21.014 --> 00:06:24.021 OF WHAT MY CLIENTS HAD GONE 163 00:06:24.021 --> 00:06:25.000 THROUGH. I GOT A TASTE OF THE 164 00:06:25.000 --> 00:06:28.002 BOMBS SHELLS FALLING AROUND 165 00:06:28.002 --> 00:06:30.025 ME >> AND HOW THEY FELT. SO IT 166 00:06:30.025 --> 00:06:32.011 GAVE ME A BETTER UNDERSTANDING 167 00:06:32.011 --> 00:06:34.024 >> OF WHAT THE CLIENTELE WAS 168 00:06:34.024 --> 00:06:35.006 NEEDED HERE. >> A LOT OF THEM 169 00:06:35.006 --> 00:06:39.026 LIVE IN THE CITY OF SAN JOSE. 170 00:06:39.026 --> 00:06:40.007 I'LL SAY ABOUT 80% OF THEM AND 171 00:06:40.007 --> 00:06:43.023 THE LAST COUNT WE HAVE OF THE 172 00:06:43.023 --> 00:06:44.024 NEW REFUGEES >> IS ABOUT 7500. 173 00:06:44.024 --> 00:06:49.014 THEIR NEEDS ARE GREAT AND I'M 174 00:06:49.014 --> 00:06:52.009 SORRY TO BRING THIS UP BUT THE 175 00:06:52.009 --> 00:06:54.016 INCIDENT THE SEPTEMBER >> 176 00:06:54.016 --> 00:06:55.021 INCIDENT REALLY SHOOK UP THE 177 00:06:55.021 --> 00:06:57.021 COMMUNITY. THE COMMUNITY IS 178 00:06:57.021 --> 00:07:00.015 HAVING TO REBUILD THEIR TRUST 179 00:07:00.015 --> 00:07:03.029 IN THE AMERICAN SOCIETY WHO 180 00:07:03.029 --> 00:07:06.029 GAVE THEM SAFETY BUT THEY'RE 181 00:07:06.029 --> 00:07:09.025 DOING A GOOD JOB AND SO IS THE 182 00:07:09.025 --> 00:07:11.021 CITY OF SAN JOSE. I'M VERY, 183 00:07:11.021 --> 00:07:13.014 VERY GLAD >> TO BE WORKING WITH 184 00:07:13.014 --> 00:07:15.018 YOU BECAUSE YOU ARE DOING >> A 185 00:07:15.018 --> 00:07:17.013 GREAT JOB ON REBUILDING THE 186 00:07:17.013 --> 00:07:19.022 TRUST THAT WAS LOST THAT DAY. 187 00:07:19.022 --> 00:07:23.023 I'M GOING TO SHARE JUST A 188 00:07:23.023 --> 00:07:25.016 COUPLE OF POEMS OF ONE OF THE 189 00:07:25.016 --> 00:07:28.029 REFUGEES THAT CAME HERE IN 93. 190 00:07:28.029 --> 00:07:30.003 >> HE HAS COMPRISED A BOOK IT'S 191 00:07:30.003 --> 00:07:34.012 CALLED TIME'S JULES AND MANY 192 00:07:34.012 --> 00:07:39.014 OF OUR CLIENTS HAVE ACTUALLY 193 00:07:39.014 --> 00:07:40.014 TURNED TO THE PEN >> TO PUT 194 00:07:40.014 --> 00:07:42.025 THEIR FEELINGS DOWN. IT IS VERY 195 00:07:42.025 --> 00:07:44.022 DIFFICULT TO TRANSLATE TO 196 00:07:44.022 --> 00:07:46.024 POETRY. SO PLEASE BEAR WITH 197 00:07:46.024 --> 00:07:49.009 ME AS I DO THIS. >> THAT POEM 198 00:07:49.009 --> 00:07:55.018 THAT I CHOSE WAS A PROTEST THAT 199 00:07:55.018 --> 00:07:57.001 HE WROTE AFTER >> HE CAME HERE 200 00:07:57.001 --> 00:08:00.020 A FEW NIGHTS AGO IN THE DEEPEST 201 00:08:00.020 --> 00:08:02.006 DARKNESS. I DECIDED TO CRY TO 202 00:08:02.006 --> 00:08:05.006 PROTEST AND SCREAM WITH THE 203 00:08:05.006 --> 00:08:07.008 STRONGEST VOICE GOD GAVE ME. I 204 00:08:07.008 --> 00:08:10.015 WANT TO SWEAR AND SCREAM. I 205 00:08:10.015 --> 00:08:12.028 WANT TO BE THE VOICE OF ALL THE 206 00:08:12.028 --> 00:08:13.006 PEOPLE WHO CANNOT SPEAK. I WANT 207 00:08:13.006 --> 00:08:17.025 TO COLLECT ALL THE TEARS OF THE 208 00:08:17.025 --> 00:08:18.025 NEWBORNS AND ALL THE LAST 209 00:08:18.025 --> 00:08:20.022 BREATH OF THE KILLED SO I CAN 210 00:08:20.022 --> 00:08:22.004 SPEAK. I WANT TO CRY AND 211 00:08:22.004 --> 00:08:25.009 SCREAM. SO MY VOICE WILL BE 212 00:08:25.009 --> 00:08:27.027 HEARD IN THE FATHER CORNER 213 00:08:27.027 --> 00:08:28.026 OF THE UNIVERSE. I WANT TO 214 00:08:28.026 --> 00:08:30.018 SCREAM SO LOUD THAT GOD CAN 215 00:08:30.018 --> 00:08:32.005 HEAR OUR SUFFERING. I WANT TO 216 00:08:32.005 --> 00:08:35.027 PROTEST GOD CREATING US AND THE 217 00:08:35.027 --> 00:08:37.004 HUMANS ALMOST DESTROYING US. HE 218 00:08:37.004 --> 00:08:42.017 DID ANOTHER ONE >> AND I WAS 219 00:08:42.017 --> 00:08:43.025 NOT ABLE TO TRANSLATE THE WHOLE 220 00:08:43.025 --> 00:08:44.021 THING. I'M SORRY. SO I WILL DO 221 00:08:44.021 --> 00:08:47.012 THE BEST I CAN. IT'S CALLED 222 00:08:47.012 --> 00:08:50.013 BOSNIAN WINTER CALIFORNIA 223 00:08:50.013 --> 00:08:52.015 SPRING AS I'M WALKING THROUGH 224 00:08:52.015 --> 00:08:55.014 RAINY MARCH EVENING I'M FEELING 225 00:08:55.014 --> 00:08:57.010 THAT I HAVE FELT THIS BEFORE 226 00:08:57.010 --> 00:08:59.007 AND I HAVE SEEN THIS BEFORE. 227 00:08:59.007 --> 00:09:02.010 THE BEAUTIFUL YOUNG TREES ALONG 228 00:09:02.010 --> 00:09:04.007 SARATOGA AVENUE IN IN FULL 229 00:09:04.007 --> 00:09:07.025 SPRING BLOOM AND I REMEMBER THE 230 00:09:07.025 --> 00:09:10.027 STREETS IN BANJA LUKA. STREET 231 00:09:10.027 --> 00:09:13.011 LIGHTS REFLECTING ON ALL TREES 232 00:09:13.011 --> 00:09:16.023 COVID WITH SNOW AND HE PROCEEDS 233 00:09:16.023 --> 00:09:18.002 TO TALK ABOUT THE DIFFERENCES 234 00:09:18.002 --> 00:09:21.025 BETWEEN WHAT'S IN CALIFORNIA 235 00:09:21.025 --> 00:09:22.014 AND WHAT'S IN HIS OLD CITY. THE 236 00:09:22.014 --> 00:09:26.010 HUNDREDS OF YEARS OF HISTORY 237 00:09:26.010 --> 00:09:28.002 AND THAT HIS WHOLE LIFE THERE 238 00:09:28.002 --> 00:09:30.013 WAS THERE AND HE FINISHES THE 239 00:09:30.013 --> 00:09:32.017 POEM WARM IN MY HEART BUT SO 240 00:09:32.017 --> 00:09:35.003 FAR AWAY I CAN STILL FEEL THE 241 00:09:35.003 --> 00:09:38.014 WET BOSNIAN WINTER IN THE MIDST 242 00:09:38.014 --> 00:09:40.029 OF THE CALIFORNIA SPRING. AND 243 00:09:40.029 --> 00:09:42.008 AFTER TALKING TO HIM EVEN 244 00:09:42.008 --> 00:09:45.001 THOUGH THIS IS HIS NEW HOME HE 245 00:09:45.001 --> 00:09:47.008 STILL HOLDS THE OLD COUNTRY 246 00:09:47.008 --> 00:09:49.016 VERY DEAR. THANK YOU FOR >> THE 247 00:09:49.016 --> 00:09:51.021 OPPORTUNITY. THANK YOU. ALL 248 00:09:51.021 --> 00:09:53.020 RIGHT. PLEASE STAND FOR THE 249 00:09:53.020 --> 00:09:54.004 PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. I PLEDGE 250 00:09:54.004 --> 00:10:00.008 ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG STATES 251 00:10:00.008 --> 00:10:03.025 OF AMERICA AND THE REPUBLIC 252 00:10:03.025 --> 00:10:05.020 WHICH STANDS OF A NATION UNDER 253 00:10:05.020 --> 00:10:08.009 GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY 254 00:10:08.009 --> 00:10:11.005 AND JUSTICE FOR. THE >> NEXT 255 00:10:11.005 --> 00:10:19.027 ITEM ON THE AGENDA. SO THE 256 00:10:19.027 --> 00:10:20.025 ORDERS OF THE DAY AND WE WANT 257 00:10:20.025 --> 00:10:22.022 TO NOTE THAT WE WILL BE 258 00:10:22.022 --> 00:10:25.023 ADJOURNING THIS MEETING IN 259 00:10:25.023 --> 00:10:26.021 MEMORY OF GEORGE GONZALES WHO 260 00:10:26.021 --> 00:10:29.008 IS A PAST LEADER IN THE GAY AND 261 00:10:29.008 --> 00:10:33.001 LESBIAN COMMUNITY AND MANY 262 00:10:33.001 --> 00:10:35.000 OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS KNEW AND 263 00:10:35.000 --> 00:10:36.008 MANY COMMUNITY MEMBERS KNEW 264 00:10:36.008 --> 00:10:38.000 THEIR EMOTIONS AND ORDERS 265 00:10:38.000 --> 00:10:39.017 OF THE DAY. THE MOTION AND 266 00:10:39.017 --> 00:10:41.025 SECOND TO APPROVE THE ITEM. ARE 267 00:10:41.025 --> 00:10:42.016 THERE ANY COMMENTS IN THE 268 00:10:42.016 --> 00:10:43.008 MOTION? ANY DISSENT ON THE 269 00:10:43.008 --> 00:10:45.008 MOTION THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY? 270 00:10:45.008 --> 00:10:48.029 WE DO HAVE A COUPLE CEREMONIAL 271 00:10:48.029 --> 00:10:49.009 ITEMS THIS AFTERNOON SO I'M 272 00:10:49.009 --> 00:10:51.013 GOING TO GO TO THE LOWER PODIUM 273 00:10:51.013 --> 00:10:52.023 FOR THOSE ITEMS 274 00:10:52.023 --> 00:10:58.023

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FOR THE FIRST ITEM I'D LIKE TO 281 00:11:15.013 --> 00:11:17.016 INVITE UP EARL STEVENS FROM OUR 282 00:11:17.016 --> 00:11:19.019 OFFICE OF EMERGENCY SERVICES, 283 00:11:19.019 --> 00:11:21.016 HIS ZERO WITH US >> HERE HE IS 284 00:11:21.016 --> 00:11:24.023 AND ALSO LOIS FIEDLER, LOIS 285 00:11:24.023 --> 00:11:35.005 HELMS. HOW ARE YOU? >> WE ARE 286 00:11:35.005 --> 00:11:43.012 RECOGNIZE BUSY LOIS TODAY WHO 287 00:11:43.012 --> 00:11:45.010 HAS BEEN SELECTED AS THE 288 00:11:45.010 --> 00:11:47.018 VOLUNTEER OF THE YEAR FOR THE 289 00:11:47.018 --> 00:11:49.009 OFFICE OF EMERGENCY SERVICES. 290 00:11:49.009 --> 00:11:52.008 AND I WANT TO JUST READ THE 291 00:11:52.008 --> 00:11:54.024 PARTS OF THE COMMENDATION THAT 292 00:11:54.024 --> 00:11:57.009 TALK ABOUT HER ACCOMPLISHMENTS 293 00:11:57.009 --> 00:11:59.019 AND WHY SHE HAS BEEN SELECTED 294 00:11:59.019 --> 00:12:00.005 BY THE DEPARTMENT AS THE 295 00:12:00.005 --> 00:12:02.018 VOLUNTEER OF THE YEAR. AND YOU 296 00:12:02.018 --> 00:12:03.018 KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE 297 00:12:03.018 --> 00:12:04.022 DO ONCE A YEAR IS WE HAVE A 298 00:12:04.022 --> 00:12:06.012 GREAT SATURDAY CELEBRATION 299 00:12:06.012 --> 00:12:08.024 WHERE WE INVITE ALL OF THE 300 00:12:08.024 --> 00:12:09.002 VOLUNTEERS THAT VOLUNTEER FOR 301 00:12:09.002 --> 00:12:12.015 THE CITY OF SAN JOSE AND ALL 302 00:12:12.015 --> 00:12:13.007 THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS TO 303 00:12:13.007 --> 00:12:15.010 COME DOWN AND BE RECOGNIZED FOR 304 00:12:15.010 --> 00:12:17.022 THEIR SERVICE AND THERE ARE 305 00:12:17.022 --> 00:12:18.002 REALLY HUNDREDS AND THOUSANDS 306 00:12:18.002 --> 00:12:20.019 OF PEOPLE THAT SHOW UP AND THEY 307 00:12:20.019 --> 00:12:21.014 ARE JUST A SMALL PERCENTAGE 308 00:12:21.014 --> 00:12:23.010 OF THE PEOPLE WHO DONATE THEIR 309 00:12:23.010 --> 00:12:25.007 TIME TO THE PEOPLE OF SAN JOSE 310 00:12:25.007 --> 00:12:27.025 THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. AND LOIS 311 00:12:27.025 --> 00:12:28.007 IS JUST ONE OF THOUSANDS WHO 312 00:12:28.007 --> 00:12:30.023 DONATE HUNDREDS AND THOUSANDS 313 00:12:30.023 --> 00:12:31.011 OF HOURS SAVING US MILLIONS 314 00:12:31.011 --> 00:12:34.013 OF DOLLARS IN PROVIDING 315 00:12:34.013 --> 00:12:36.021 SERVICES TO THE PEOPLE OF SAN 316 00:12:36.021 --> 00:12:37.011 JOSE. UNDER DR. FIDDLER'S 317 00:12:37.011 --> 00:12:40.024 GUIDANCE, THE SAN JOSE PREPARED 318 00:12:40.024 --> 00:12:41.023 PROGRAM AND MILLPOND HAS GROWN 319 00:12:41.023 --> 00:12:43.024 TO INCLUDE A LARGE PROPORTION 320 00:12:43.024 --> 00:12:45.023 PORTION OF THE COMMUNITY AND 321 00:12:45.023 --> 00:12:47.006 EDUCATED RESIDENTS ABOUT HOME 322 00:12:47.006 --> 00:12:49.020 AND PERSONAL PREPAREDNESS AS 323 00:12:49.020 --> 00:12:50.025 WELL AS COMMUNITY PREPAREDNESS. 324 00:12:50.025 --> 00:12:52.007 IN ADDITION TO ORGANIZING AN 325 00:12:52.007 --> 00:12:54.003 ANNUAL SOUP SUPPER FUNDRAISER 326 00:12:54.003 --> 00:12:56.018 TO PURCHASE EMERGENCY SUPPLIES 327 00:12:56.018 --> 00:12:57.029 FOR MILLPOND AND ENCOURAGE 328 00:12:57.029 --> 00:12:59.008 CONTINUED AWARENESS ABOUT 329 00:12:59.008 --> 00:13:01.025 EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS, DR. 330 00:13:01.025 --> 00:13:02.024 FIEDLER LEADS AN ANNUAL FULL 331 00:13:02.024 --> 00:13:04.002 SCALE EXERCISE IN MILLPOND THAT 332 00:13:04.002 --> 00:13:07.008 TESTS THE CAPABILITY AND 333 00:13:07.008 --> 00:13:08.023 READINESS OF THE COMMUNITY 334 00:13:08.023 --> 00:13:09.005 RESIDENTS AND THE SAN JOSE 335 00:13:09.005 --> 00:13:11.027 PREPARED MEMBERS AND WORKING 336 00:13:11.027 --> 00:13:12.014 TOGETHER ON POST-DISASTER 337 00:13:12.014 --> 00:13:14.023 ASSISTANCE AND RECOVERY. LOIS 338 00:13:14.023 --> 00:13:16.027 IS AN EXEMPLARY COMMUNITY 339 00:13:16.027 --> 00:13:18.024 LEADER WHO HAS SHOWN HER 340 00:13:18.024 --> 00:13:19.029 DEDICATION TO ENSURING HER 341 00:13:19.029 --> 00:13:21.017 COMMUNITY'S READINESS AND WAS 342 00:13:21.017 --> 00:13:23.017 HONORED AS VOLUNTEER OF THE 343 00:13:23.017 --> 00:13:24.010 YEAR FOR SAN JOSE BY THE 344 00:13:24.010 --> 00:13:26.020 EMERGENCY MANAGERS ASSOCIATION 345 00:13:26.020 --> 00:13:28.008 OF SANTA CLARA COUNTY. NOW 346 00:13:28.008 --> 00:13:30.007 THEREFORE I RON GONZALES, MAYOR 347 00:13:30.007 --> 00:13:32.018 OF SAN JOSE TOGETHER WITH 348 00:13:32.018 --> 00:13:33.015 MY COLLEAGUES ON THE CITY 349 00:13:33.015 --> 00:13:34.018 COUNCIL ON THIS 11TH DAY 350 00:13:34.018 --> 00:13:36.002 OF JANUARY 2005 DO BUY OR 351 00:13:36.002 --> 00:13:40.015 HEREBY CONGRATULATE AND COMMEND 352 00:13:40.015 --> 00:13:42.004 DR. LOIS FIEDLER FOR HER 353 00:13:42.004 --> 00:13:44.004 TIRELESS EFFORTS TO EDUCATE THE 354 00:13:44.004 --> 00:13:46.025 RESIDENTS OF HER COMMUNITY ON 355 00:13:46.025 --> 00:13:47.007 EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS. DR. 356 00:13:47.007 --> 00:13:49.021 PETER, THANK YOU SO MUCH. I 357 00:13:49.021 --> 00:13:56.015 WANT TO THANK YOU, MAYOR 358 00:13:56.015 --> 00:13:58.021 GONZALEZ. I WANT TO THANK 359 00:13:58.021 --> 00:14:00.011 SAN JOSE FOR HAVING AN 360 00:14:00.011 --> 00:14:02.023 EMERGENCY OFFICE AND A SAN JOSE 361 00:14:02.023 --> 00:14:04.018 PREPARED PROGRAM BECAUSE IT 362 00:14:04.018 --> 00:14:06.021 TAKES A COMMUNITY IT TAKES A 363 00:14:06.021 --> 00:14:08.007 CITY TO BE PREPARED FOR THE 364 00:14:08.007 --> 00:14:11.019 KINDS OF EMERGENCIES IS AND WE 365 00:14:11.019 --> 00:14:13.012 HAVE HAD A LOT OF SUPPORT. THIS 366 00:14:13.012 --> 00:14:15.009 IS GOING I'M STARTING MY 10TH 367 00:14:15.009 --> 00:14:17.018 YEAR HEADING UP OUR PROGRAM AND 368 00:14:17.018 --> 00:14:19.023 IT WAS PRIMARILY THROUGH 369 00:14:19.023 --> 00:14:21.003 SAN JOSE PREPARED THAT WE 370 00:14:21.003 --> 00:14:23.029 GOT IT ORGANIZED. THANK YOU. 371 00:14:23.029 --> 00:14:24.003 THANK YOU SO. KEEP UP THE GOOD 372 00:14:24.003 --> 00:14:26.025 WORK. THANK YOU SO MUCH. I'D 373 00:14:26.025 --> 00:14:33.003 LIKE TO NOW INVITE 374 00:14:33.003 --> 00:14:35.018 COUNCILMEMBER YEAGER TO THE 375 00:14:35.018 --> 00:14:35.016 PODIUM FOR >> A PRESENTATION. 376 00:14:35.016 --> 00:14:38.022 >> YES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 377 00:14:38.022 --> 00:14:43.018 THE CITY COUNCIL HAS PROCLAIMED 378 00:14:43.018 --> 00:14:45.018 JANUARY AS SCHOOL SAFETY MONTH 379 00:14:45.018 --> 00:14:48.012 AND I WAS WONDERING IF JIM 380 00:14:48.012 --> 00:14:51.006 WHITE BALL FROM THE DEPARTMENT 381 00:14:51.006 --> 00:14:52.023 OF TRANSPORTATION AND CHIEF ROB 382 00:14:52.023 --> 00:14:53.017 DAVIS FROM THE POLICE 383 00:14:53.017 --> 00:14:54.023 DEPARTMENT AND SARAH HENSLEY 384 00:14:54.023 --> 00:14:56.023 FROM PARKS AND RECREATION 385 00:14:56.023 --> 00:14:57.000 NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES COULD 386 00:14:57.000 --> 00:14:59.015 JUST COME UP SO WE CAN GIVE 387 00:14:59.015 --> 00:15:01.022 THEM THE PROCLAMATION SESSION. 388 00:15:01.022 --> 00:15:03.008 I KNOW THAT ALL OF US BELIEVE 389 00:15:03.008 --> 00:15:06.000 TRULY IN OUR HEARTS THAT OUR 390 00:15:06.000 --> 00:15:08.028 CHILDREN ARE OUR TREASURES AND 391 00:15:08.028 --> 00:15:09.004 OUR FUTURE AND THOSE THAT WE 392 00:15:09.004 --> 00:15:12.024 LOVE MORE DEARLY THAN ANYTHING 393 00:15:12.024 --> 00:15:13.007 ELSE IN THE WORLD. AND IT IS 394 00:15:13.007 --> 00:15:16.006 OUR RESPONSIBILITY AS ADULTS TO 395 00:15:16.006 --> 00:15:18.003 MAKE SURE THAT THOSE CHILDREN 396 00:15:18.003 --> 00:15:20.022 ARE SAFE AND OFTENTIMES THEY DO 397 00:15:20.022 --> 00:15:21.011 MANY THINGS THAT SCARE THE 398 00:15:21.011 --> 00:15:23.006 BEJESUS OUT OF US. BUT WE HAVE 399 00:15:23.006 --> 00:15:26.008 TO WE AS A CITY WANT TO MAKE 400 00:15:26.008 --> 00:15:27.023 SURE THAT WE ARE AT LEAST DOING 401 00:15:27.023 --> 00:15:28.010 EVERYTHING WE CAN TO PROVIDE 402 00:15:28.010 --> 00:15:30.029 THEM SAFETY, PARTICULARLY ON 403 00:15:30.029 --> 00:15:31.001 THEIR WAY TO SCHOOL OR IF 404 00:15:31.001 --> 00:15:33.000 THEY'RE IN PARKS OR THEY'RE 405 00:15:33.000 --> 00:15:34.016 DOING ANY SORT OF RECREATIONAL 406 00:15:34.016 --> 00:15:35.022 ACTIVITIES AND I KNOW THAT I 407 00:15:35.022 --> 00:15:38.025 SPEAK FOR ALL THE COUNCIL 408 00:15:38.025 --> 00:15:39.024 MEMBERS AND THE MAYOR WHEN 409 00:15:39.024 --> 00:15:41.006 THERE IS EVER A PHONE >> CALL 410 00:15:41.006 --> 00:15:43.025 THAT WE GET FROM A PARENT OR 411 00:15:43.025 --> 00:15:46.021 TEACHER >> OR SOMEBODY WHO'S 412 00:15:46.021 --> 00:15:48.016 WORKING IN A PARK WHERE THERE 413 00:15:48.016 --> 00:15:50.023 IS AN UNSAFE SITUATION AND THE 414 00:15:50.023 --> 00:15:52.028 COUNCIL OFFICE RESPONDS 415 00:15:52.028 --> 00:15:54.004 IMMEDIATELY WE CONTACT THE 416 00:15:54.004 --> 00:15:57.009 APPROPRIATE PERSON WHETHER 417 00:15:57.009 --> 00:15:58.021 TRANSPORTATION OR PARKS OR THE 418 00:15:58.021 --> 00:15:59.013 POLICE DEPARTMENT TO MAKE SURE 419 00:15:59.013 --> 00:16:01.011 THAT IF THERE'S AN UNSAFE 420 00:16:01.011 --> 00:16:02.005 SITUATION IT'S IT'S IT'S 421 00:16:02.005 --> 00:16:04.025 RESOLVED AND FIXED AS SOON AS 422 00:16:04.025 --> 00:16:05.018 POSSIBLE. AND ALL THREE OF YOU 423 00:16:05.018 --> 00:16:07.028 DO JUST A TREMENDOUS JOB 424 00:16:07.028 --> 00:16:08.018 BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHAT'S 425 00:16:08.018 --> 00:16:09.011 AT STAKE. AND SO THANK YOU VERY 426 00:16:09.011 --> 00:16:11.027 MUCH ON BEHALF OF ALL OF US. >> 427 00:16:11.027 --> 00:16:12.007 AND SO WE HAVE A PROCLAMATION 428 00:16:12.007 --> 00:16:18.011 AND IT SAYS HERE WHEREAS THE 429 00:16:18.011 --> 00:16:20.018 SAN JOSE CITY COUNCIL HAS MADE 430 00:16:20.018 --> 00:16:21.028 IT A PRIORITY TO HELP ALL 431 00:16:21.028 --> 00:16:22.026 CHILDREN ACHIEVE IN OUR 432 00:16:22.026 --> 00:16:23.017 COMMUNITY. AND. WHEREAS, A 433 00:16:23.017 --> 00:16:25.006 CRUCIAL COMPONENT IN ATTAINING 434 00:16:25.006 --> 00:16:27.003 ACADEMIC SUCCESS IS ENSURING 435 00:16:27.003 --> 00:16:29.010 THAT ALL CHILDREN HAVE SAFE 436 00:16:29.010 --> 00:16:30.016 ACCESS TO AND FROM SCHOOL AND 437 00:16:30.016 --> 00:16:32.023 ARE PROTECTED WHILE THEY ARE ON 438 00:16:32.023 --> 00:16:33.004 THE SCHOOL GROUNDS. AND. 439 00:16:33.004 --> 00:16:35.008 WHEREAS, THE CITY OF SAN JOSE 440 00:16:35.008 --> 00:16:36.019 COLLABORATES WITH A VARIETY 441 00:16:36.019 --> 00:16:37.026 OF COMMUNITY AND CITY PARTNERS 442 00:16:37.026 --> 00:16:38.010 ON PROGRAMS THAT CONTRIBUTE TO 443 00:16:38.010 --> 00:16:40.016 A SAFE ENVIRONMENT FOR OUR 444 00:16:40.016 --> 00:16:41.018 CHILDREN AND RAISE AWARENESS 445 00:16:41.018 --> 00:16:43.014 OF SAFETY ISSUES IN A 446 00:16:43.014 --> 00:16:44.006 PRODUCTIVE AND FUN WAY. AND. 447 00:16:44.006 --> 00:16:46.009 WHEREAS, BY PROCLAIMING THE 448 00:16:46.009 --> 00:16:47.021 MONTH OF JANUARY AS SCHOOL 449 00:16:47.021 --> 00:16:48.007 SAFETY MONTH AND CONDUCTING 450 00:16:48.007 --> 00:16:50.012 ACTIVITIES THAT FOCUS ON THE 451 00:16:50.012 --> 00:16:51.026 ISSUES OF SCHOOL SAFETY, THE 452 00:16:51.026 --> 00:16:52.003 CITY AND ITS PARTNERS WILL 453 00:16:52.003 --> 00:16:54.026 RAISE COMMUNITY AWARENESS ABOUT 454 00:16:54.026 --> 00:16:55.017 THE NEED TO IMPROVE SAFETY FOR 455 00:16:55.017 --> 00:16:57.011 OUR CHILDREN. NOW THEREFORE RON 456 00:16:57.011 --> 00:16:59.019 GONZALES, MAYOR OF SAN JOSE 457 00:16:59.019 --> 00:17:00.003 ALONG WITH COUNCILMEMBER KEN 458 00:17:00.003 --> 00:17:02.010 YEAGER AND OUR COLLEAGUES ON 459 00:17:02.010 --> 00:17:03.025 THE CITY COUNCIL, PROCLAIM THE 460 00:17:03.025 --> 00:17:04.016 MONTH OF JANUARY AS SCHOOL 461 00:17:04.016 --> 00:17:06.015 SAFETY MONTH AND WE REAFFIRM 462 00:17:06.015 --> 00:17:08.024 OUR COMMITMENT TO ENSURING THAT 463 00:17:08.024 --> 00:17:09.020 EVERY CHILD IN SAN JOSE HAS THE 464 00:17:09.020 --> 00:17:11.029 OPPORTUNITY TO THRIVE AND 465 00:17:11.029 --> 00:17:12.021 SUCCEED IN A SAFE ENVIRONMENT. 466 00:17:12.021 --> 00:17:14.022 SO I WILL GIVE THIS TO YOU. TO 467 00:17:14.022 --> 00:17:16.017 GIVE IS TO HAVE >> TO HAVE TO 468 00:17:16.017 --> 00:17:18.015 HAVE THESE THREE SHARE. I'M NOT 469 00:17:18.015 --> 00:17:26.029 THE SPEAKER FOR >> THIS ONE 470 00:17:26.029 --> 00:17:28.002 KEN. I WOULD JUST ECHO THAT I 471 00:17:28.002 --> 00:17:31.002 HAVE A SIX YEAR OLD AND A THREE 472 00:17:31.002 --> 00:17:32.023 YEAR OLD MYSELF AND I COULDN'T 473 00:17:32.023 --> 00:17:33.015 THINK OF ANYTHING MORE 474 00:17:33.015 --> 00:17:34.008 IMPORTANT THAN GETTING THEM TO 475 00:17:34.008 --> 00:17:36.008 SCHOOL SAFELY AND THAT THEY CAN 476 00:17:36.008 --> 00:17:38.007 BE IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS IN A 477 00:17:38.007 --> 00:17:39.015 SAFE ENVIRONMENT. THE 478 00:17:39.015 --> 00:17:40.005 DEPARTMENTS ARE WORKING CLOSER 479 00:17:40.005 --> 00:17:42.000 THAN EVER TOGETHER TO REALLY 480 00:17:42.000 --> 00:17:44.016 USE OUR RESOURCES IN THE BEST 481 00:17:44.016 --> 00:17:45.011 WAY TO KEEP CHILDREN SAFE IN 482 00:17:45.011 --> 00:17:47.028 SAN JOSE AND IT IS OUR HIGHEST 483 00:17:47.028 --> 00:17:48.003 PRIORITY. SO WE'LL CONTINUE TO 484 00:17:48.003 --> 00:17:50.005 DO THAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH 485 00:17:50.005 --> 00:17:51.003 FOR THIS PROCLAMATION. >> I 486 00:17:51.003 --> 00:18:03.017 COULD NOW INVITE 487 00:18:03.017 --> 00:18:04.004 COUNCILMEMBER CHUCK REID TO 488 00:18:04.004 --> 00:18:05.026 JOIN ME AS WELL AS SHARON 489 00:18:05.026 --> 00:18:06.002 LANDERS FROM OUR REDEVELOPMENT 490 00:18:06.002 --> 00:18:08.027 AGENCY. >> SHARON'S OVER HERE. 491 00:18:08.027 --> 00:18:10.029 AND MR. >> T H TEN. IS MR. TAN 492 00:18:10.029 --> 00:18:14.005 WITH US? HERE HE IS. AND MRS. 493 00:18:14.005 --> 00:18:19.028 TIM GRAY. PLEASE COME FORWARD 494 00:18:19.028 --> 00:18:29.012 TO YOUR SEAT AND BILL HAMMACK 495 00:18:29.012 --> 00:18:36.026 ALSO FROM COMAC >> AND WE HAVE 496 00:18:36.026 --> 00:18:40.024 MADE IT A CUSTOM HERE TO EVERY 497 00:18:40.024 --> 00:18:43.007 ONCE IN A WHILE RECOGNIZE MAJOR 498 00:18:43.007 --> 00:18:46.008 EMPLOYERS IN OUR COMMUNITY AND 499 00:18:46.008 --> 00:18:48.018 >> BUSINESSES IN OUR COMMUNITY. 500 00:18:48.018 --> 00:18:49.007 IT'S OFTEN SAID THAT BUSINESSES 501 00:18:49.007 --> 00:18:52.025 GO WHERE THEY'RE WANTED AND 502 00:18:52.025 --> 00:18:53.013 THEY STAY WHERE THEY'RE 503 00:18:53.013 --> 00:18:54.007 APPRECIATED AND THIS IS ONE WAY 504 00:18:54.007 --> 00:18:56.001 THAT WE SHOW OUR APPRECIATION 505 00:18:56.001 --> 00:18:58.003 FOR THOSE WHO ARE MAKING IT 506 00:18:58.003 --> 00:19:00.007 POSSIBLE FOR THE FAMILIES 507 00:19:00.007 --> 00:19:02.024 OF SAN JOSE TO STAY EMPLOYED, 508 00:19:02.024 --> 00:19:03.017 TO HAVE A CAREER, TO HAVE A 509 00:19:03.017 --> 00:19:06.024 HIGH QUALITY OF LIFE. COMAC IS 510 00:19:06.024 --> 00:19:08.025 BEING RECOGNIZED TODAY AND 511 00:19:08.025 --> 00:19:10.002 COUNCILMEMBER REED IS JOINING 512 00:19:10.002 --> 00:19:12.004 ME HERE AT THE PODIUM BECAUSE 513 00:19:12.004 --> 00:19:13.027 COMAC IS LOCATED IN HIS 514 00:19:13.027 --> 00:19:14.007 DISTRICT DISTRICT NUMBER FOUR 515 00:19:14.007 --> 00:19:16.014 >> COMAC WAS INCORPORATED IN 516 00:19:16.014 --> 00:19:18.007 FOUNDED IN 1983 IS A LEADING 517 00:19:18.007 --> 00:19:21.001 INDEPENDENT SUPPLIER OF THIN 518 00:19:21.001 --> 00:19:23.004 FILM DISC. THE PRIMARY HIGH 519 00:19:23.004 --> 00:19:25.009 CAPACITY STORAGE MEDIUM FOR 520 00:19:25.009 --> 00:19:27.007 DIGITAL DATA IN COMPUTERS AND 521 00:19:27.007 --> 00:19:29.023 CONSUMER APPLIANCES. COMAC 522 00:19:29.023 --> 00:19:31.004 CREATES AN EXTRAORDINARY >> 523 00:19:31.004 --> 00:19:33.004 VALUE FOR CUSTOMERS 524 00:19:33.004 --> 00:19:35.027 OF COMPUTERS, ENTERPRISE >> 525 00:19:35.027 --> 00:19:36.008 STORAGE SYSTEMS AND ELECTRONIC 526 00:19:36.008 --> 00:19:38.005 APPLIANCES DELIVERING A HIGH 527 00:19:38.005 --> 00:19:40.002 VOLUME OF RELIABLE PRODUCTS TO 528 00:19:40.002 --> 00:19:42.006 CONSUMERS BY ENABLING READILY 529 00:19:42.006 --> 00:19:44.027 IMPROVED STORAGE DENSITY AT LOW 530 00:19:44.027 --> 00:19:46.015 COST PER GIGABYTE. THERE WILL 531 00:19:46.015 --> 00:19:49.012 BE A TEST ON THAT PARAGRAPH 532 00:19:49.012 --> 00:19:51.002 AT THE END OF THE COUNCIL 533 00:19:51.002 --> 00:19:52.029 MEETING ARE YOU? YOU WILL NOT 534 00:19:52.029 --> 00:19:53.002 BE GET OUT AND YOU WILL NOT BE 535 00:19:53.002 --> 00:19:55.025 ALLOWED >> TO GET OUT OF THE 536 00:19:55.025 --> 00:19:55.024 COUNCIL CHAMBER WITHOUT KNOWING 537 00:19:55.024 --> 00:19:56.001 THOSE THE SALIENT POINTS IN 538 00:19:56.001 --> 00:19:58.029 THAT PARAGRAPH COOLMAX 539 00:19:58.029 --> 00:19:59.010 TECHNOLOGY TEAM HAS KEPT THE 540 00:19:59.010 --> 00:20:01.016 COMPANY IN THE FOREFRONT OF THE 541 00:20:01.016 --> 00:20:03.012 THIN FILM INDUSTRY REPEATEDLY 542 00:20:03.012 --> 00:20:05.001 SETTING RECORDS UP WITH THE 543 00:20:05.001 --> 00:20:07.012 HIGHEST PERFORMING THIN FILM 544 00:20:07.012 --> 00:20:08.024 DISK IN THE MARKET. I WANT TO 545 00:20:08.024 --> 00:20:09.008 ASK COUNCILMEMBER REED TO SAY A 546 00:20:09.008 --> 00:20:11.022 FEW WORDS AND THEN GIVE A 547 00:20:11.022 --> 00:20:12.010 PRESENTATION TO MR. TAN. THANK 548 00:20:12.010 --> 00:20:16.013 >> YOU. BARRY GONZALEZ COMAC 549 00:20:16.013 --> 00:20:17.014 OPERATES IN ONE OF THOSE 550 00:20:17.014 --> 00:20:18.006 AMAZING AREAS OF TECHNOLOGY 551 00:20:18.006 --> 00:20:20.017 WHERE THE CAPACITY JUST KEEPS 552 00:20:20.017 --> 00:20:21.024 GOING UP AND THE PRICE KEEPS 553 00:20:21.024 --> 00:20:22.017 GOING DOWN. IT'S A TOUGH PLACE 554 00:20:22.017 --> 00:20:24.015 TO SURVIVE AND THEY'VE BEEN 555 00:20:24.015 --> 00:20:25.027 SUCCESSFUL AT IT FOR 20 YEARS 556 00:20:25.027 --> 00:20:26.004 AND I'M REALLY HAPPY TO HAVE IT 557 00:20:26.004 --> 00:20:28.006 MY COUNCIL DISTRICT AND CITY 558 00:20:28.006 --> 00:20:29.016 OF SAN JOSE WHERE THEY CREATE A 559 00:20:29.016 --> 00:20:30.002 LOT OF JOBS. SO MR. TAN, IT'S 560 00:20:30.002 --> 00:20:36.002 MY PLEASURE TO TO PRESENT TO 561 00:20:36.002 --> 00:20:38.018 YOU THIS COMMENDATION ON BEHALF 562 00:20:38.018 --> 00:20:40.021 OF THE PEOPLE OF SAN JOSE AND 563 00:20:40.021 --> 00:20:41.014 MY COLLEAGUES ON THE CITY 564 00:20:41.014 --> 00:20:42.021 COUNCIL TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR 565 00:20:42.021 --> 00:20:44.006 SUCCESS IN COMING AND THANK 566 00:20:44.006 --> 00:20:46.027 YOUR EMPLOYEES AND YOUR 567 00:20:46.027 --> 00:20:46.022 MANAGEMENT TEAM FOR STAYING IN 568 00:20:46.022 --> 00:20:48.001 SAN JOSE. WE WANT YOU TO KNOW 569 00:20:48.001 --> 00:20:50.019 YOU APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU >> 570 00:20:50.019 --> 00:20:51.002 FOR THANK YOU >> THE MAYOR AND 571 00:20:51.002 --> 00:21:00.001 THE JACK REED AND EVERYBODY ON 572 00:21:00.001 --> 00:21:03.005 THE COUNCIL'S AND REDEVELOPMENT 573 00:21:03.005 --> 00:21:05.006 AGENCIES. WE'VE BEEN AROUND FOR 574 00:21:05.006 --> 00:21:07.021 21 YEARS. WE THOUGHT THAT THE 575 00:21:07.021 --> 00:21:08.020 CITY NEVER KNEW WE >> EXISTED 576 00:21:08.020 --> 00:21:10.029 UNTIL NOW. WHO'S IT WHO SAID 577 00:21:10.029 --> 00:21:13.027 AMERICAN CITIES DIDN'T KNOW HOW 578 00:21:13.027 --> 00:21:15.014 TO WOO AND RETAIN BUSINESS LIKE 579 00:21:15.014 --> 00:21:19.023 US AND WE REALLY APPRECIATE 580 00:21:19.023 --> 00:21:20.014 WHAT YOU'VE DONE. WE HAVE 581 00:21:20.014 --> 00:21:22.029 GOT 400 GOOD PAYING JOBS, 582 00:21:22.029 --> 00:21:24.007 AVERAGE SALARIES IS MORE THAN A 583 00:21:24.007 --> 00:21:27.002 HUNDRED THOUSANDS BECAUSE WE 584 00:21:27.002 --> 00:21:29.000 KEEP THE BEST BRAINS IN THE 585 00:21:29.000 --> 00:21:31.024 VALLEY DOING R&D WHICH IS WHAT 586 00:21:31.024 --> 00:21:33.029 AMERICA AND WHAT SILICON VALLEY 587 00:21:33.029 --> 00:21:35.011 IS GOOD FOR AND BECAUSE OF THIS 588 00:21:35.011 --> 00:21:38.015 FINE PEOPLE WE ARE >> ABLE TO 589 00:21:38.015 --> 00:21:40.013 BRING ALL THE RECORDS THAT YOU 590 00:21:40.013 --> 00:21:41.024 JUST NAME AND WE'VE BEEN MAKING 591 00:21:41.024 --> 00:21:43.005 MONEY ACCUMULATING CASH >> OVER 592 00:21:43.005 --> 00:21:46.014 THE LAST FEW YEARS THANKS TO AN 593 00:21:46.014 --> 00:21:48.012 ENVIRONMENT WHERE THE 594 00:21:48.012 --> 00:21:50.014 KIDS HELPING US KNOW WE HAVE 595 00:21:50.014 --> 00:21:51.012 BEEN GETTING HELP FROM SHARON 596 00:21:51.012 --> 00:21:53.000 TO WORK WITH YOU. YOU KNOW 597 00:21:53.000 --> 00:21:55.017 EUROPE HAS SOME BRIDGES AND WE 598 00:21:55.017 --> 00:21:57.007 GOT HELP FROM YOU GUYS. WE 599 00:21:57.007 --> 00:21:59.017 GOT VISIBILITY BECAUSE OF YOUR 600 00:21:59.017 --> 00:22:00.015 INVOLVEMENT AND I THINK THE 601 00:22:00.015 --> 00:22:02.014 FUTURE'S GOING TO BE VERY 602 00:22:02.014 --> 00:22:03.011 BRIGHT FOR US AND VOILA THE 603 00:22:03.011 --> 00:22:05.005 SMALL AND MEDIUM SIZED 604 00:22:05.005 --> 00:22:07.014 COMPANIES WHICH IS THE BACKBONE 605 00:22:07.014 --> 00:22:09.020 OF THE CITY. GREAT. THANK YOU 606 00:22:09.020 --> 00:22:10.000 VERY MUCH. THANK YOU SO MUCH. 607 00:22:10.000 --> 00:22:12.021 GOOD LUCK HERE 608 00:22:12.021 --> 00:22:18.021

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. OKAY, NOW MOVE TO THE CONSENT 619 00:22:46.005 --> 00:22:48.002 CALENDAR. WE HAVE REQUESTS FROM 620 00:22:48.002 --> 00:22:50.028 THE PUBLIC TO SPEAK ON ITEM 2.1 621 00:22:50.028 --> 00:22:52.025 TO 2.19 AND 2.2 TO 622 00:22:52.025 --> 00:22:58.007 COUNCILMEMBER WILLIAMS AND 623 00:22:58.007 --> 00:23:02.017 MAYOR, >> I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE 624 00:23:02.017 --> 00:23:04.000 CONSIDERED 2.6 AND 2.2226 IS 625 00:23:04.000 --> 00:23:12.018 DEFERRED AND 2.22 DID YOU SAY 626 00:23:12.018 --> 00:23:15.014 YES? OKAY. COUNCILMEMBER CAMPOS 627 00:23:15.014 --> 00:23:22.020 >> ITEM 2.5 AND 2.10 2.5 AND 628 00:23:22.020 --> 00:23:33.021 2.10 SUMMARY >> 2.18 PLEASE >> 629 00:23:33.021 --> 00:23:38.016 2.8 1818 >> I'M SORRY 3.18 ALL 630 00:23:38.016 --> 00:23:47.011 >> RIGHT. IS THERE A MOTION ON 631 00:23:47.011 --> 00:23:48.003 THE REMAINDER OF THE ITEMS? 632 00:23:48.003 --> 00:23:50.014 THERE'S A MOTION IN SECOND TO 633 00:23:50.014 --> 00:23:51.011 APPROVE THE REMAINDER OF THE 634 00:23:51.011 --> 00:23:52.022 ITEMS ANY COMMENTS ON THE 635 00:23:52.022 --> 00:23:53.013 MOTION? ANY DISSENT ON THE 636 00:23:53.013 --> 00:23:55.029 MOTION THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY 637 00:23:55.029 --> 00:23:58.010 THAT TAKES US TO THE FIRST >> 638 00:23:58.010 --> 00:24:00.013 ITEM. COUNCILMEMBER CAMPOS 2.5 639 00:24:00.013 --> 00:24:02.007 APPROVAL OF FISCAL ACTIONS FOR 640 00:24:02.007 --> 00:24:04.015 REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY CAPITAL 641 00:24:04.015 --> 00:24:05.002 PROJECTS >> ACTUALLY MAYOR, I 642 00:24:05.002 --> 00:24:11.027 JUST WANTED TO MAKE A 643 00:24:11.027 --> 00:24:13.013 CORRECTION IN THE WEST 644 00:24:13.013 --> 00:24:15.026 EVERGREEN IT SAYS DISTRICT FIVE 645 00:24:15.026 --> 00:24:17.003 AND DISTRICT ONE I THINK THEY 646 00:24:17.003 --> 00:24:19.016 MEANT IT COULD BE WEST 647 00:24:19.016 --> 00:24:20.000 EVERGREEN BUT IT ALSO NEEDS TO 648 00:24:20.000 --> 00:24:22.000 INCLUDE SIX ADA EAST VALLEY YES 649 00:24:22.000 --> 00:24:24.025 AND I AND THAT'S REALLY ALL I 650 00:24:24.025 --> 00:24:25.021 WANTED TO MAKE SURE FOR THE 651 00:24:25.021 --> 00:24:26.007 RECORD THEY INCLUDED THAT. ALL 652 00:24:26.007 --> 00:24:29.021 RIGHT. IS THERE A MOTION THEN 653 00:24:29.021 --> 00:24:31.009 WITH THAT CORRECTION SO MOVE 654 00:24:31.009 --> 00:24:33.025 ALL RIGHT, MOTION SECOND ON THE 655 00:24:33.025 --> 00:24:34.028 ITEM ANY COMMENTS ON THE MOTION 656 00:24:34.028 --> 00:24:36.000 AND ANY DISSENT ON THE MOTION 657 00:24:36.000 --> 00:24:39.005 THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY WILL 658 00:24:39.005 --> 00:24:41.024 NEXT MOVE TO ITEM 2.10 APPROVAL 659 00:24:41.024 --> 00:24:43.029 OF ACTIONS FOR THE 2425 WEED 660 00:24:43.029 --> 00:24:46.007 ABATEMENT REPORT. 661 00:24:46.007 --> 00:24:48.025 COUNCILMEMBER CAMPOS >> AND 662 00:24:48.025 --> 00:24:49.022 THIS IS MORE FOR A 663 00:24:49.022 --> 00:24:51.004 CLARIFICATION OR REMINDING ME I 664 00:24:51.004 --> 00:24:54.007 KNOW WE SEND OUT THE NOTICE 665 00:24:54.007 --> 00:24:56.011 DOES IT IF THEY DON'T SPEAK 666 00:24:56.011 --> 00:24:58.020 ENGLISH >> IS NOT THEIR FIRST 667 00:24:58.020 --> 00:24:59.008 LANGUAGE IS THERE A NUMBER A 668 00:24:59.008 --> 00:25:01.001 WAY THAT THEY CAN GET THIS 669 00:25:01.001 --> 00:25:03.000 TRANSLATED OR >> 670 00:25:03.000 --> 00:25:11.000 COUNCILMEMBER COMPOST STEVEN 671 00:25:11.000 --> 00:25:12.022 HOUSE DIRECTOR PLANNING 672 00:25:12.022 --> 00:25:12.012 BUILDING CODE ENFORCEMENT WE DO 673 00:25:12.012 --> 00:25:14.009 PROVIDE FOR ALTERNATE METHODS 674 00:25:14.009 --> 00:25:16.016 OF COMMUNICATION AND THAT CAN 675 00:25:16.016 --> 00:25:18.023 BE HANDLED BASED UPON THE NEEDS 676 00:25:18.023 --> 00:25:20.010 OF THE PARTICULAR PROPERTY >> 677 00:25:20.010 --> 00:25:22.023 OWNERS. AND THEN THE LAST 678 00:25:22.023 --> 00:25:23.002 QUESTION WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT 679 00:25:23.002 --> 00:25:28.015 THAT THE COUNTY WILL GO OUT 680 00:25:28.015 --> 00:25:29.007 THERE AND IF THEY DO NOT CLEAN 681 00:25:29.007 --> 00:25:31.010 IT UP THEY WILL CLEAN IT UP AND 682 00:25:31.010 --> 00:25:32.012 THEN BUILD THE RESIDENT CAN YOU 683 00:25:32.012 --> 00:25:35.016 REMIND ME IF WE HAVE SOMETHING 684 00:25:35.016 --> 00:25:37.004 IN PLACE FOR SOMEONE THAT MAY 685 00:25:37.004 --> 00:25:40.017 BE DISABLED IF THEY CAN'T DO IT 686 00:25:40.017 --> 00:25:42.029 OR IF SOMEONE'S ON A FIXED 687 00:25:42.029 --> 00:25:44.025 INCOME >> I'LL NEED TO GET BACK 688 00:25:44.025 --> 00:25:47.007 TO YOU ON THAT RIGHT NOW IT IS 689 00:25:47.007 --> 00:25:49.029 THE PROPERTY RESPONSIBILITY TO 690 00:25:49.029 --> 00:25:50.019 MAINTAIN THE PROPERTY IN A SAFE 691 00:25:50.019 --> 00:25:52.006 FASHION JUST >> IF THERE ARE 692 00:25:52.006 --> 00:25:54.002 RESOURCES FOR FOR ASSISTANCE 693 00:25:54.002 --> 00:25:56.029 AND YOU CAN GET BACK TO ME THAT 694 00:25:56.029 --> 00:25:56.026 WITH THAT AND IN OUR MEMO THANK 695 00:25:56.026 --> 00:25:58.004 YOU WITH THAT I MOVE FOR 696 00:25:58.004 --> 00:26:00.000 APPROVAL >> RIGHT MOTION SECOND 697 00:26:00.000 --> 00:26:02.008 TO APPROVE THE ITEM ANY 698 00:26:02.008 --> 00:26:03.029 COMMENTS ON THE MOTION ANY 699 00:26:03.029 --> 00:26:04.013 DISSENT IN THE MOTION ALL RIGHT 700 00:26:04.013 --> 00:26:06.003 THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY THIS 701 00:26:06.003 --> 00:26:09.009 GROUP ITEM >> ITEM 2.12 IS 702 00:26:09.009 --> 00:26:15.028 APPROVAL OF FISCAL ACTIONS FOR 703 00:26:15.028 --> 00:26:16.007 THE SOBRIETY CHECKPOINT 704 00:26:16.007 --> 00:26:18.007 PROGRAM. AND MR. GARBUTT, YOU 705 00:26:18.007 --> 00:26:21.017 WANT TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? 706 00:26:21.017 --> 00:26:22.014 WE'LL HAVE YOU SPEAK IN ALL 707 00:26:22.014 --> 00:26:23.004 32.19 IS APPROVAL OF FISCAL 708 00:26:23.004 --> 00:26:27.023 ACTIONS FOR SHORT TERM CASH 709 00:26:27.023 --> 00:26:28.027 FLOW LOAN AND ITEM 2.2 TO I'M 710 00:26:28.027 --> 00:26:33.010 GOING TO HOLD BECAUSE 711 00:26:33.010 --> 00:26:35.029 COUNCILMEMBER WILLIAMS WANTS TO 712 00:26:35.029 --> 00:26:35.007 SPEAK ON THAT BUT YOU CAN 713 00:26:35.007 --> 00:26:37.022 GO AND SPEAK ON THAT ITEM ALSO. 714 00:26:37.022 --> 00:26:38.003 GO AHEAD. YES. WILLIAM GARBETT 715 00:26:38.003 --> 00:26:40.001 SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF PUBLIC 716 00:26:40.001 --> 00:26:42.002 THE CITY IS AFTER SOME MONEY 717 00:26:42.002 --> 00:26:45.015 FOR THEIR POLICE DEPARTMENT 718 00:26:45.015 --> 00:26:46.027 WHICH IS NORMALLY A GOOD THING. 719 00:26:46.027 --> 00:26:48.012 THIS IS FOR A SOBRIETY 720 00:26:48.012 --> 00:26:50.027 CHECKPOINT PROGRAM. >> HOWEVER, 721 00:26:50.027 --> 00:26:52.009 THERE IS NO PROBABLE CAUSE FOR 722 00:26:52.009 --> 00:26:55.015 STOPPING DRIVERS FOR THIS 723 00:26:55.015 --> 00:26:57.006 SOBRIETY CHECKPOINT PROGRAM. 724 00:26:57.006 --> 00:27:00.009 THERE IS NO PROBABLE CAUSE EVEN 725 00:27:00.009 --> 00:27:02.017 THOUGH THE >> POLICE HAVE THE 726 00:27:02.017 --> 00:27:03.023 AUTHORITY TO STOP DRIVERS 727 00:27:03.023 --> 00:27:05.021 AT WILL. THIS IS BASICALLY 728 00:27:05.021 --> 00:27:08.015 TERRORISM OF THE PUBLIC 729 00:27:08.015 --> 00:27:10.027 UNDERCOVER OF AUTHORITY OF THE 730 00:27:10.027 --> 00:27:11.003 STATE ALLEGEDLY WITH MONEY. IT 731 00:27:11.003 --> 00:27:15.007 IS SORT OF LIKE USING THE 732 00:27:15.007 --> 00:27:16.026 POLICE HELICOPTER TO DESTROY 733 00:27:16.026 --> 00:27:17.018 SOMEONE'S HOME. IT IS NOT IN 734 00:27:17.018 --> 00:27:20.006 THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CITY 735 00:27:20.006 --> 00:27:22.017 TO CONTINUE SUCH PRACTICES. 736 00:27:22.017 --> 00:27:24.001 THEREFORE THIS IS ONE OF THOSE 737 00:27:24.001 --> 00:27:26.010 GRANTS WITH THE TIE THAT OUR 738 00:27:26.010 --> 00:27:29.004 CITIZENS WILL BE UNJUSTLY 739 00:27:29.004 --> 00:27:31.020 HARASSED FOR NO GOOD PURPOSE 740 00:27:31.020 --> 00:27:33.002 AND BASICALLY THEIR FREEDOM 741 00:27:33.002 --> 00:27:35.017 OF MOVEMENT WILL BE DENIED AND 742 00:27:35.017 --> 00:27:37.029 WE SHOULD NOT TAKE THAT GRANT 743 00:27:37.029 --> 00:27:39.003 AND ITEM 2.19 YOU ARE TAKING A 744 00:27:39.003 --> 00:27:44.027 FISCAL ACTION FOR A SHORT TERM 745 00:27:44.027 --> 00:27:45.022 CASH FLOW LOAN >> YOUR HEALTHY 746 00:27:45.022 --> 00:27:48.027 NEIGHBORHOODS VENTURE HAS BEEN 747 00:27:48.027 --> 00:27:50.023 BASICALLY APPROVED BY THE CITY 748 00:27:50.023 --> 00:27:52.014 AND IT'S BEING PAID FOR WITH 749 00:27:52.014 --> 00:27:54.028 THE TOBACCO MONEY. BUT HERE THE 750 00:27:54.028 --> 00:27:56.022 CITY IS DOING A FISCALLY 751 00:27:56.022 --> 00:27:58.001 IRRESPONSIBLE POSSIBLE TAX YOU 752 00:27:58.001 --> 00:28:01.021 ARE STEALING FROM YOUR SEWAGE 753 00:28:01.021 --> 00:28:02.013 TREATMENT PLANT CONNECTION FEE 754 00:28:02.013 --> 00:28:05.013 AND ALLEGEDLY THAT FEE WILL NOT 755 00:28:05.013 --> 00:28:08.026 ACCRUE INTEREST. BUT IS A 756 00:28:08.026 --> 00:28:10.017 TOBACCO FUND GOING TO PAY FOR 757 00:28:10.017 --> 00:28:12.001 THAT? IS THE PARTICULAR HEALTHY 758 00:28:12.001 --> 00:28:15.010 NEIGHBORHOODS VENTURE GOING TO 759 00:28:15.010 --> 00:28:16.004 PAY FOR THAT? WHAT IT AMOUNTS 760 00:28:16.004 --> 00:28:18.020 TO IS YOU SHOULD NOT BE 761 00:28:18.020 --> 00:28:19.019 IMPLEMENTING A PROGRAM WITHOUT 762 00:28:19.019 --> 00:28:21.004 THE FUNDS TO DO IT. IT IS 763 00:28:21.004 --> 00:28:23.006 FISCALLY IRRESPONSIBLE AND 764 00:28:23.006 --> 00:28:25.000 ROBBING FROM PETER TO PAY 765 00:28:25.000 --> 00:28:27.008 PAUL IS NOT ONE OF THOSE THINGS 766 00:28:27.008 --> 00:28:28.001 WILL DO SPEAK TO TWO POINT >> 767 00:28:28.001 --> 00:28:30.005 YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND SPEAK TO 768 00:28:30.005 --> 00:28:31.029 2.2 TO >> RIGHT NOW. GO AHEAD 769 00:28:31.029 --> 00:28:35.026 SIR ON >> 2.22 YOU'RE CREATING 770 00:28:35.026 --> 00:28:38.022 AN ORDINANCE ACCEPTING THE BAN 771 00:28:38.022 --> 00:28:41.008 ON FEEDING WILD ANIMALS TO 772 00:28:41.008 --> 00:28:44.020 ALLOW AND ATTRACT IT TO TRAP AN 773 00:28:44.020 --> 00:28:47.023 ANIMAL IN A LEGALLY AUTHORIZED 774 00:28:47.023 --> 00:28:49.000 ARE PERMITTED MANNER. 775 00:28:49.000 --> 00:28:52.025 UNFORTUNATELY, YOUR ORIGINAL 776 00:28:52.025 --> 00:28:53.014 ORDER ORDINANCE BASICALLY DID 777 00:28:53.014 --> 00:28:56.011 NOT WANT THE KILLING OF THOSE 778 00:28:56.011 --> 00:28:58.002 ANIMALS BECAUSE THE STATE GAME 779 00:28:58.002 --> 00:29:01.010 CODE REQUIRES A KILLING >> 780 00:29:01.010 --> 00:29:02.021 OF THE ANIMAL WHEN YOU TRAP 781 00:29:02.021 --> 00:29:03.001 THEM >> YOU BASICALLY ARE 782 00:29:03.001 --> 00:29:06.007 BASICALLY IN EFFECT DE FACTO 783 00:29:06.007 --> 00:29:08.003 REPEALING YOUR COYOTE 784 00:29:08.003 --> 00:29:10.017 ORDINANCE. THIS CITY IS ROTTEN 785 00:29:10.017 --> 00:29:12.010 TO THE CORE AND IF YOU DIDN'T 786 00:29:12.010 --> 00:29:15.029 HAVE A GOOD CITY ATTORNEY TO 787 00:29:15.029 --> 00:29:16.016 WRITE THE ORDINANCES IN THE 788 00:29:16.016 --> 00:29:18.016 VERY BEGINNING YOU WOULDN'T 789 00:29:18.016 --> 00:29:20.027 HAVE TO REWRITE THEM AT THIS 790 00:29:20.027 --> 00:29:21.002 POINT IN TIME THIS SHOULD BE 791 00:29:21.002 --> 00:29:24.008 BASICALLY TURNED DOWN. IT'S NOT 792 00:29:24.008 --> 00:29:26.012 IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE 793 00:29:26.012 --> 00:29:28.005 CITY FOR ENVIRONMENTAL REASONS. 794 00:29:28.005 --> 00:29:30.000 THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. 795 00:29:30.000 --> 00:29:33.004 THERE ARE NO OTHER CARDS ON 796 00:29:33.004 --> 00:29:34.006 ITEM 2.12 AND 2.19. IS THERE 797 00:29:34.006 --> 00:29:36.010 MOTION IN THOSE ITEMS? THERE'S 798 00:29:36.010 --> 00:29:38.016 A MOTION THE SECOND COUNSEL 799 00:29:38.016 --> 00:29:40.016 COMPASS WE HAVE A COMMENT ON 800 00:29:40.016 --> 00:29:41.015 ONE OF THOSE ITEMS >> ACTUALLY 801 00:29:41.015 --> 00:29:43.023 I DO AND IS THE CHIEF HERE I 802 00:29:43.023 --> 00:29:45.029 THOUGHT I SAW SURE >> HE'S 803 00:29:45.029 --> 00:29:46.020 RIGHT THERE ACTUALLY I HAD 804 00:29:46.020 --> 00:29:48.014 REQUESTED TO SEE THE LANGUAGE 805 00:29:48.014 --> 00:29:50.025 ON THIS GRANT I THINK BEFORE 806 00:29:50.025 --> 00:29:51.021 THE HOLIDAYS AND AND I THINK 807 00:29:51.021 --> 00:29:55.000 YOU AND I HAD A WE WE DID HAVE 808 00:29:55.000 --> 00:29:57.024 A BRIEF CONVERSATION ON 809 00:29:57.024 --> 00:29:58.007 MY CONCERNS WHICH I THINK 810 00:29:58.007 --> 00:30:00.023 YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH SOME 811 00:30:00.023 --> 00:30:01.021 OF THE RESIDENTS IN 812 00:30:01.021 --> 00:30:02.021 MY COMMUNITY THAT ARE PART 813 00:30:02.021 --> 00:30:04.000 OF THE SIX EIGHTIES VALLEY SC 814 00:30:04.000 --> 00:30:07.009 AND I HAD CONCERNS ABOUT THE 815 00:30:07.009 --> 00:30:10.019 THE PROCESS AND WHAT THE GRANT 816 00:30:10.019 --> 00:30:14.008 ENTAILED AND I I'M GOING TO 817 00:30:14.008 --> 00:30:17.021 SUPPORT IT BUT I KNOW THAT 818 00:30:17.021 --> 00:30:19.002 MY COMMUNITY AND MYSELF HAVE A 819 00:30:19.002 --> 00:30:21.002 LOT OF QUESTIONS SO I WOULD 820 00:30:21.002 --> 00:30:23.007 LIKE TO GET THAT GRANT THE 821 00:30:23.007 --> 00:30:24.023 LANGUAGE OF THE GRANT AND WHAT 822 00:30:24.023 --> 00:30:25.011 IT ACTUALLY I GUESS THE 823 00:30:25.011 --> 00:30:28.011 BOUNDARIES OF WHAT IT'S 824 00:30:28.011 --> 00:30:29.019 SUPPOSED TO DO SO THAT I COULD 825 00:30:29.019 --> 00:30:30.002 FILL MILLIAMPS SO I CELLPHONE 826 00:30:30.002 --> 00:30:32.023 ON WHAT THIS GRANT IS ABOUT. 827 00:30:32.023 --> 00:30:34.018 YES >> YES. COUNCILMEMBER CAMP 828 00:30:34.018 --> 00:30:40.021 BOSS WE'D BE HAPPY TO SHARE 829 00:30:40.021 --> 00:30:41.023 THAT LANGUAGE WITH YOU. WE HAVE 830 00:30:41.023 --> 00:30:42.026 HAD SOME COMMUNICATION WITH 831 00:30:42.026 --> 00:30:43.021 INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE TRYING TO 832 00:30:43.021 --> 00:30:44.011 EXPLAIN WHAT THAT GRANT IS. WE 833 00:30:44.011 --> 00:30:46.009 ALSO HAVE SOME PEOPLE HERE THAT 834 00:30:46.009 --> 00:30:47.013 COULD SPEAK TO THE LANGUAGE IN 835 00:30:47.013 --> 00:30:48.011 THAT GRANT IF YOU WOULD CHOOSE 836 00:30:48.011 --> 00:30:49.008 TO TO HEAR THAT. BUT ALSO YOU 837 00:30:49.008 --> 00:30:51.000 SHOULD BE AWARE THAT WE'VE DONE 838 00:30:51.000 --> 00:30:52.005 AN EXTENSIVE AMOUNT OF OUTREACH 839 00:30:52.005 --> 00:30:53.010 WITHIN THE COMMUNITY THAT HAS 840 00:30:53.010 --> 00:30:54.000 CONCERNS ABOUT THE GRANT 841 00:30:54.000 --> 00:30:56.020 BECAUSE OF ISSUES CONCERNING 842 00:30:56.020 --> 00:30:57.022 THE TOWING OF VEHICLES. IF 843 00:30:57.022 --> 00:30:58.021 SOMEBODY HAS AN UNLICENSED 844 00:30:58.021 --> 00:30:59.010 DRIVER THAT >> WE'VE INVITED 845 00:30:59.010 --> 00:31:01.011 SOME OF THE LEADERS FROM THAT 846 00:31:01.011 --> 00:31:02.013 COMMUNITY TO ACTUALLY GO OUT 847 00:31:02.013 --> 00:31:03.020 AND ATTEND ONE OF THE DUI 848 00:31:03.020 --> 00:31:04.012 CHECKPOINTS WITH US SO THEY CAN 849 00:31:04.012 --> 00:31:06.021 BEGIN TO SEE EXACTLY WHAT IT IS 850 00:31:06.021 --> 00:31:07.000 WE'RE DOING AND BASED UPON THE 851 00:31:07.000 --> 00:31:09.024 FEEDBACK WE'RE GETTING FROM 852 00:31:09.024 --> 00:31:09.021 THOSE INDIVIDUALS, THEY'VE BEEN 853 00:31:09.021 --> 00:31:11.028 GIVING US A LOT OF COMPLIMENTS 854 00:31:11.028 --> 00:31:12.019 IN THE WAY THAT THAT'S BEING 855 00:31:12.019 --> 00:31:13.022 HANDLED. SO WE ARE ADDRESSING 856 00:31:13.022 --> 00:31:14.026 SOME OF THOSE. SO YOU STARTED 857 00:31:14.026 --> 00:31:15.023 THAT PROCESS ALREADY? YES. IN 858 00:31:15.023 --> 00:31:17.019 FACT THEY EVEN HAD A MEETING 859 00:31:17.019 --> 00:31:18.010 LAST SATURDAY WITH THE WITH A 860 00:31:18.010 --> 00:31:20.019 GROUP OVER SAINT JOHN VIANNEY 861 00:31:20.019 --> 00:31:21.013 CHURCH. THE MEETING WAS 862 00:31:21.013 --> 00:31:23.017 ENTIRELY IN SPANISH AND WE WERE 863 00:31:23.017 --> 00:31:24.021 EXPLAINING SOME OF THE ISSUES 864 00:31:24.021 --> 00:31:25.021 AND THEY WERE VERY SUPPORTIVE 865 00:31:25.021 --> 00:31:26.014 OF WHAT IT IS THAT WE'RE ABOUT 866 00:31:26.014 --> 00:31:27.002 DOING. >> ARE YOU WORKING WITH 867 00:31:27.002 --> 00:31:29.000 THE COUNCIL GENERAL FROM MEXICO 868 00:31:29.000 --> 00:31:32.007 ON MAYBE FINDING AVENUES THAT 869 00:31:32.007 --> 00:31:34.019 SO THAT THIS LANGUAGE IS 870 00:31:34.019 --> 00:31:35.019 GETTING OUT TO THEM? HE HAS NOT 871 00:31:35.019 --> 00:31:37.020 APPROACHED ME DIRECTLY ON THIS 872 00:31:37.020 --> 00:31:38.027 SPECIFIC ISSUE BUT WE'RE MORE 873 00:31:38.027 --> 00:31:39.012 THAN WILLING TO DO THAT. OKAY. 874 00:31:39.012 --> 00:31:41.018 I'D STILL LIKE TO GET THE GRANT 875 00:31:41.018 --> 00:31:42.017 TOGETHER. WE CAN DO THAT. THANK 876 00:31:42.017 --> 00:31:43.000 YOU. AND WITH THAT I'M FOR 877 00:31:43.000 --> 00:31:45.011 APPROVAL >> OF HIS MOTION. A 878 00:31:45.011 --> 00:31:46.028 SECOND ON >> THE ITEM. ANY 879 00:31:46.028 --> 00:31:47.005 OTHER COMMENTS ON THOSE TWO 880 00:31:47.005 --> 00:31:49.011 ITEMS? ITEM 2.12 AND 2.19 ANY 881 00:31:49.011 --> 00:31:52.011 DISSENT TO APPROVE >> THOSE 882 00:31:52.011 --> 00:31:53.025 ITEMS? ALL RIGHT. BOTH THOSE 883 00:31:53.025 --> 00:31:54.028 ITEMS PASS FOR NOW MOVE TO ITEM 884 00:31:54.028 --> 00:31:56.009 2.18 WHICH IS ACCEPTANCE OF THE 885 00:31:56.009 --> 00:31:59.012 OFFICE OF THE CITY AUDITOR'S 886 00:31:59.012 --> 00:32:00.015 REPORT. COUNCILMEMBER >> REED, 887 00:32:00.015 --> 00:32:02.016 THANK YOU VERY CONCISE. I HAVE 888 00:32:02.016 --> 00:32:03.021 A QUESTION FOR THE CITY AUDITOR 889 00:32:03.021 --> 00:32:04.022 ON ONE OF THE ITEMS ON THE 890 00:32:04.022 --> 00:32:05.024 STATUS AND THAT'S THE NORTHSIDE 891 00:32:05.024 --> 00:32:07.008 COMMUNITY CENTER AUDIT. I KNOW 892 00:32:07.008 --> 00:32:10.028 THAT'S BEEN DELAYED AS WE HAVE 893 00:32:10.028 --> 00:32:11.005 TAKEN YOU AND YOUR STAFF AND 894 00:32:11.005 --> 00:32:13.012 ASKED YOU TO DO THE IMPOSSIBLE 895 00:32:13.012 --> 00:32:14.015 IN SHORT ORDER A COUPLE 896 00:32:14.015 --> 00:32:15.025 OF TIMES IN THE LAST SIX MONTHS 897 00:32:15.025 --> 00:32:17.020 BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE 898 00:32:17.020 --> 00:32:18.021 WHO ARE INTERESTED IN THE AUDIT 899 00:32:18.021 --> 00:32:19.020 SO I JUST WONDER IF WE COULD 900 00:32:19.020 --> 00:32:20.004 GET AN UPDATE AS TO WHEN YOU 901 00:32:20.004 --> 00:32:22.025 THINK YOU'LL ACTUALLY BE 902 00:32:22.025 --> 00:32:22.012 GETTING INTO THE REPORT WRITING 903 00:32:22.012 --> 00:32:24.005 AND FINAL PROJECT PART OF IT. 904 00:32:24.005 --> 00:32:26.009 MR. MAYOR MEMBERS OF COUNCIL 905 00:32:26.009 --> 00:32:27.023 JERRY SILVA, CITY AUDITOR WE'RE 906 00:32:27.023 --> 00:32:28.017 WRITING THE REPORT NOW. OKAY. 907 00:32:28.017 --> 00:32:30.027 SO ASSUMING WE DON'T ASK YOU TO 908 00:32:30.027 --> 00:32:31.022 DO THE IMPOSSIBLE AGAIN, IT'LL 909 00:32:31.022 --> 00:32:33.008 BE DONE RELATIVELY SOON. >> 910 00:32:33.008 --> 00:32:35.006 WE'RE LOOKING AT THE ISSUE IN 911 00:32:35.006 --> 00:32:37.022 LATE MARCH. OKAY. THANK YOU 912 00:32:37.022 --> 00:32:38.014 VERY MUCH. ALL RIGHT. IS THERE 913 00:32:38.014 --> 00:32:40.026 MOTION THEN TO THE APPROVAL 914 00:32:40.026 --> 00:32:41.009 MOTION IN SECOND TO APPROVE THE 915 00:32:41.009 --> 00:32:43.017 ITEM? ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS ON 916 00:32:43.017 --> 00:32:45.019 THE MOTION >> AND ANY DISSENT? 917 00:32:45.019 --> 00:32:48.027 THAT MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. 918 00:32:48.027 --> 00:32:50.004 WE'LL NOW MOVE TO ITEM 2.22 919 00:32:50.004 --> 00:32:53.026 WHICH IS APPROVAL OF AN 920 00:32:53.026 --> 00:32:53.020 ORDINANCE TO CREATE AN 921 00:32:53.020 --> 00:32:54.015 EXEMPTION EXCEPTION I'M SORRY 922 00:32:54.015 --> 00:32:56.020 AN EXCEPTION TO THE BAN ON 923 00:32:56.020 --> 00:32:57.013 FEEDING WILD ANIMALS. 924 00:32:57.013 --> 00:32:59.025 COUNCILMEMBER WILLIAMS, YOU HAD 925 00:32:59.025 --> 00:32:59.020 A QUESTION? YES. ON THE 926 00:32:59.020 --> 00:33:01.017 ORDINANCE DRAFT ON PAGE TWO 927 00:33:01.017 --> 00:33:05.015 ITEM NUMBER FOUR IT SAID ANY 928 00:33:05.015 --> 00:33:07.000 PERSONS USING A ATTRACTANT TO 929 00:33:07.000 --> 00:33:10.016 TRAP AN ANIMAL I WOULD LIKE TO 930 00:33:10.016 --> 00:33:13.014 HAVE THE WORD INSERTED WILD 931 00:33:13.014 --> 00:33:15.020 ANIMAL >> IN ORDER TO ENSURE 932 00:33:15.020 --> 00:33:18.014 THAT WE CAN KEEP IT IN THE 933 00:33:18.014 --> 00:33:21.017 REALM OF THE WILD ANIMALS 934 00:33:21.017 --> 00:33:24.027 RATHER THAN JUST ANY ANIMAL >> 935 00:33:24.027 --> 00:33:27.019 CITY JOURNEY. OKAY WITH THAT 936 00:33:27.019 --> 00:33:30.024 CITY ATTORNEY SAYS THAT THE 937 00:33:30.024 --> 00:33:31.009 INTENT IS THERE IN MOTION THEN 938 00:33:31.009 --> 00:33:34.028 FOR THIS I WILL MOVE OVER 939 00:33:34.028 --> 00:33:35.004 BECAUSE OF MOTION THE SECOND 940 00:33:35.004 --> 00:33:39.007 SECOND ON THE ITEM WITH THAT 941 00:33:39.007 --> 00:33:40.019 CLARIFICATION BY 942 00:33:40.019 --> 00:33:41.019 COUNCILMEMBER WILLIAMS 943 00:33:41.019 --> 00:33:42.002 CUSTOMER READ YOUR COMMENT. I 944 00:33:42.002 --> 00:33:44.006 >> JUST WONDERED IF FERAL CATS 945 00:33:44.006 --> 00:33:45.014 ARE CONSIDERED WILD ANIMALS 946 00:33:45.014 --> 00:33:46.022 UNDER THE ORDINANCE BECAUSE I 947 00:33:46.022 --> 00:33:47.017 KNOW THAT THERE IS SOME 948 00:33:47.017 --> 00:33:48.006 TRAPPING OF FERAL CATS IT GOES 949 00:33:48.006 --> 00:33:50.011 ON. I HAVE NO IDEA HOW YOU DO 950 00:33:50.011 --> 00:33:51.021 IT BUT I DON'T WANT TO ASK JOHN 951 00:33:51.021 --> 00:33:54.014 CICERO TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION. 952 00:33:54.014 --> 00:33:56.012 THAT'S >> COUNCILMEMBER REED. 953 00:33:56.012 --> 00:34:01.000 >> I BELIEVE YOU ASKED IF FERAL 954 00:34:01.000 --> 00:34:03.024 CATS WOULD BE CONSIDERED 955 00:34:03.024 --> 00:34:03.000 WILDING. YES. NO THEY WOULD NOT 956 00:34:03.000 --> 00:34:06.014 THAT DEFINITELY DOMESTIC AND WE 957 00:34:06.014 --> 00:34:08.026 DO HAVE AN INFORMATION MEMO 958 00:34:08.026 --> 00:34:09.022 COMING TO THE COUNCIL PROBABLY 959 00:34:09.022 --> 00:34:11.025 IN THE NEXT WEEK OR TWO THAT 960 00:34:11.025 --> 00:34:12.018 ADDRESSES SPECIFICALLY SOME 961 00:34:12.018 --> 00:34:15.020 OF THE INTERESTING OPTIONS THAT 962 00:34:15.020 --> 00:34:18.009 ARE TO BE DEALT WITH WITH FERAL 963 00:34:18.009 --> 00:34:20.022 CATS AND FERAL PIGEONS IS THAT 964 00:34:20.022 --> 00:34:21.006 COUNCIL REQUESTED BUT THEY THEY 965 00:34:21.006 --> 00:34:23.013 FALL IN A DIFFERENT CATEGORY 966 00:34:23.013 --> 00:34:24.001 FROM A WILD ANIMAL GAME LAWS 967 00:34:24.001 --> 00:34:27.013 DON'T ADDRESS THEM, STATE LAWS 968 00:34:27.013 --> 00:34:28.003 DON'T ADDRESS THEM. >> OKAY 969 00:34:28.003 --> 00:34:30.013 THEN DO WE HAVE A WAY WE CAN 970 00:34:30.013 --> 00:34:31.005 ADDRESS 971 00:34:31.005 --> 00:34:32.018 COUNCILMEMBER WILLIAMS'S 972 00:34:32.018 --> 00:34:32.015 CONCERNS WITHOUT ALSO CREATING 973 00:34:32.015 --> 00:34:34.003 A PROBLEM ON THE TURTLE CAT SO 974 00:34:34.003 --> 00:34:36.015 >> >> WE COULD BE MORE SPECIFIC 975 00:34:36.015 --> 00:34:40.027 TO ADDRESS SPECIFICALLY FERAL 976 00:34:40.027 --> 00:34:41.007 CATS. I THINK THE IDEA WOULD BE 977 00:34:41.007 --> 00:34:44.000 TO LEAVE IT AS IS AND BECAUSE 978 00:34:44.000 --> 00:34:46.015 IT IS LIMITED TO IN A LEGALLY 979 00:34:46.015 --> 00:34:47.017 AUTHORIZED AND PERMITTED 980 00:34:47.017 --> 00:34:48.011 MANNER. SO WHETHER IT'S A WILD 981 00:34:48.011 --> 00:34:50.024 ANIMAL OR ANIMAL IT HAS TO BE 982 00:34:50.024 --> 00:34:51.005 LEGALLY AUTHORIZED. THE 983 00:34:51.005 --> 00:34:53.022 ALTERNATIVE IS TO SAY A WILD 984 00:34:53.022 --> 00:34:54.016 ANIMAL OR A FERAL CAT. I 985 00:34:54.016 --> 00:34:57.013 MEAN IT CAN BE ONE WAY OR THE 986 00:34:57.013 --> 00:34:58.016 OTHER WOULD BE MORE SPECIFIC 987 00:34:58.016 --> 00:34:59.021 AND I'LL DEFER TO YOU ON THAT. 988 00:34:59.021 --> 00:35:00.007 OKAY. >> I WIDE I YOU KNOW 989 00:35:00.007 --> 00:35:04.014 AGAIN, I THINK THE LANGUAGE 990 00:35:04.014 --> 00:35:05.000 ORIGINALLY >> WAS DRAFTED TO 991 00:35:05.000 --> 00:35:07.006 COVER ANY LEGAL TRAPPING AND 992 00:35:07.006 --> 00:35:08.002 THAT'S WHAT THE THE LEGAL OR 993 00:35:08.002 --> 00:35:10.011 PERMITTED MANNER AND I THINK 994 00:35:10.011 --> 00:35:12.013 THAT'S THAT WOULD COVER THE 995 00:35:12.013 --> 00:35:13.017 FERAL CAT SITUATION I WAS NOT 996 00:35:13.017 --> 00:35:14.014 AWARE THAT THEY WEREN'T 997 00:35:14.014 --> 00:35:15.016 INCLUDED IN THE DEFINITION. 998 00:35:15.016 --> 00:35:19.004 MICROPHONE MICROPHONE SO IF 999 00:35:19.004 --> 00:35:23.007 THERE WELL I WANTED IT TO TO 1000 00:35:23.007 --> 00:35:29.008 COVER THE SPECIFIC CATEGORY 1001 00:35:29.008 --> 00:35:32.013 BECAUSE YOU KNOW THERE YOU CAN 1002 00:35:32.013 --> 00:35:35.028 TRAP ANY ANIMAL YOU KNOW PETS 1003 00:35:35.028 --> 00:35:37.011 OR WHATEVER YOU KNOW PEOPLE 1004 00:35:37.011 --> 00:35:39.009 COULD ILLEGALLY I MEAN THEY 1005 00:35:39.009 --> 00:35:41.009 COULD BE IF THEY'RE ILLEGALLY 1006 00:35:41.009 --> 00:35:42.002 AUTHORIZED. SO WE'RE TRYING TO 1007 00:35:42.002 --> 00:35:44.008 KEEP IT IN THE REALM OF THE I 1008 00:35:44.008 --> 00:35:46.029 WOULD JUST ADD THE ARE FERAL 1009 00:35:46.029 --> 00:35:47.024 CATS. I THINK I WOULD FEEL 1010 00:35:47.024 --> 00:35:49.013 BETTER IF YOU ADDED THAT OR AND 1011 00:35:49.013 --> 00:35:53.009 INCLUDED FERAL CATS IN THAT 1012 00:35:53.009 --> 00:35:56.002 RATHER THAN THAT'S WELL, >> I 1013 00:35:56.002 --> 00:35:59.024 MEAN WE CAN HAVE IT THOUGH IT'S 1014 00:35:59.024 --> 00:35:59.004 MORE SPECIFIC I DON'T KNOW 1015 00:35:59.004 --> 00:36:01.016 OF ANY OTHER ANIMAL THAT >> YOU 1016 00:36:01.016 --> 00:36:04.007 MAY WANT TO LEGALLY OR BE 1017 00:36:04.007 --> 00:36:06.019 ALLOWED TO TRAP WHETHER IT'S 1018 00:36:06.019 --> 00:36:07.002 VECTOR CONTROL OR SOME OTHER 1019 00:36:07.002 --> 00:36:10.025 PARTY IN A LEGAL WAY >> AND NOT 1020 00:36:10.025 --> 00:36:12.023 HAVE JOHN I DON'T KNOW IF YOU 1021 00:36:12.023 --> 00:36:13.001 KNOW OF ANY OTHER SITUATION 1022 00:36:13.001 --> 00:36:15.003 OTHER THAN FERAL CATS. WELL, I 1023 00:36:15.003 --> 00:36:17.010 >> MEAN SURE THERE'S OBVIOUSLY 1024 00:36:17.010 --> 00:36:18.011 DOGS THERE ARE OTHER DOMESTIC 1025 00:36:18.011 --> 00:36:20.018 SMALL ANIMALS OUT THERE BUT I 1026 00:36:20.018 --> 00:36:22.016 WOULD I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT 1027 00:36:22.016 --> 00:36:24.024 SORT OF LEAVE THE WILD THINGS 1028 00:36:24.024 --> 00:36:25.017 WILD THIS ONE'S ABOUT WILD 1029 00:36:25.017 --> 00:36:27.025 ANIMALS AND IT SPECIFICALLY 1030 00:36:27.025 --> 00:36:29.006 SAYS AND DEFINES WILD ANIMALS 1031 00:36:29.006 --> 00:36:32.017 WHICH DOES NOT INCLUDE FERAL 1032 00:36:32.017 --> 00:36:33.020 CATS OR DOGS OR EVEN DOMESTIC 1033 00:36:33.020 --> 00:36:35.027 CATS OF ANY KIND IS >> THE 1034 00:36:35.027 --> 00:36:37.008 QUESTION WITH THIS ISSUE. THE 1035 00:36:37.008 --> 00:36:39.027 QUESTION WOULD THEN BE IF YOU 1036 00:36:39.027 --> 00:36:40.028 WANT TO CAPTURE FERAL CATS WE 1037 00:36:40.028 --> 00:36:42.026 HAD TO ADD THAT LANGUAGE >> AS 1038 00:36:42.026 --> 00:36:43.007 WELL. NO TRAPPING A FERAL CAT 1039 00:36:43.007 --> 00:36:46.017 IS ILLEGAL ACTIVITY. >> YOU 1040 00:36:46.017 --> 00:36:48.020 CAN'T CAN YOU LEAVE ILLEGAL IT 1041 00:36:48.020 --> 00:36:50.024 IS >> AN ILLEGAL ACTIVITY OKAY 1042 00:36:50.024 --> 00:36:53.023 WITH >> A BAIT WHETHER IT 1043 00:36:53.023 --> 00:36:54.001 ATTRACTED THE ISSUE THAT WE HAD 1044 00:36:54.001 --> 00:36:56.000 WAS OUT OF CONTROL WAS THE THE 1045 00:36:56.000 --> 00:36:58.012 ATTRACTED USING THE ATTRACTANT 1046 00:36:58.012 --> 00:36:59.022 CORRECT THAT WAS THEIR CONCERN 1047 00:36:59.022 --> 00:37:00.008 THAT BAITING A TRAP WOULD BE IN 1048 00:37:00.008 --> 00:37:02.009 FACT USING AN ATTRACTANT IN A 1049 00:37:02.009 --> 00:37:04.027 TRAP WHILE THEY >> LET US MAKE 1050 00:37:04.027 --> 00:37:05.025 SURE WE THIS HASN'T COME BACK 1051 00:37:05.025 --> 00:37:06.008 FOR A SECOND RIGHT AND WE HAVE 1052 00:37:06.008 --> 00:37:08.002 TO >> DRAFT WE CAN WE WILL COME 1053 00:37:08.002 --> 00:37:10.010 BACK WITH WHAT THE EXACT 1054 00:37:10.010 --> 00:37:11.023 LANGUAGE APPLICATION ON IT BUT 1055 00:37:11.023 --> 00:37:12.022 >> I THOUGHT THE FERAL CATS YOU 1056 00:37:12.022 --> 00:37:14.005 KNOW NECESSARILY BAIT YOU DON'T 1057 00:37:14.005 --> 00:37:16.013 HAVE TO BAITED TO CATCH THEM I 1058 00:37:16.013 --> 00:37:18.025 MEAN THAT'S THE WHOLE IDEA 1059 00:37:18.025 --> 00:37:19.007 RIGHT THAT IDEA HERE IS THAT 1060 00:37:19.007 --> 00:37:21.018 YOU'RE BAITING AND THAT YOU'RE 1061 00:37:21.018 --> 00:37:23.010 TRYING TO PUT IT IN A TRAP TO 1062 00:37:23.010 --> 00:37:25.005 GET A WHILE IN AND MY >> 1063 00:37:25.005 --> 00:37:27.009 CONCERN IS THAT WE HAVE WE'VE 1064 00:37:27.009 --> 00:37:28.026 HAD A AN ARGUMENT WITH VECTOR 1065 00:37:28.026 --> 00:37:29.004 CONTROL OVER THE SCOPE OF THE 1066 00:37:29.004 --> 00:37:31.019 ORDINANCE. I DON'T WANT TO BE 1067 00:37:31.019 --> 00:37:32.026 IN A SITUATION WHERE WE NOW ARE 1068 00:37:32.026 --> 00:37:34.027 LIMITING OURSELVES AND YOU 1069 00:37:34.027 --> 00:37:35.007 CAN'T CAPTURE FERAL CATS SO 1070 00:37:35.007 --> 00:37:37.010 WE'LL COME BACK WITH THE EXACT 1071 00:37:37.010 --> 00:37:38.025 LANGUAGE WE HAVE THE INTENT 1072 00:37:38.025 --> 00:37:39.007 THOUGH SO >> IT SOUNDS LIKE 1073 00:37:39.007 --> 00:37:41.000 TODAY WELL WE'LL JUST CONTINUE 1074 00:37:41.000 --> 00:37:43.020 WHAT WAS HERE AND WITH THE 1075 00:37:43.020 --> 00:37:44.027 REFERRAL TO COME BACK ON THE 1076 00:37:44.027 --> 00:37:45.008 RIGHT LANGUAGE IS THAT WITH YOU 1077 00:37:45.008 --> 00:37:47.011 FOR THAT'S FINE IT'S OKAY 1078 00:37:47.011 --> 00:37:48.000 THAT'S THE NEW MOTION WHO 1079 00:37:48.000 --> 00:37:50.009 SECONDED THE ORIGINAL THAT'S 1080 00:37:50.009 --> 00:37:51.019 OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ANY FURTHER 1081 00:37:51.019 --> 00:37:52.027 COMMENTS ON THAT MOTION? IS 1082 00:37:52.027 --> 00:37:53.022 THERE ANY DISSENT ON THAT 1083 00:37:53.022 --> 00:37:54.001 MOTION THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY 1084 00:37:54.001 --> 00:37:57.015 NOW MOVED TO THE REGULAR 1085 00:37:57.015 --> 00:37:58.029 STRATEGIC SUPPORT SERVICES 1086 00:37:58.029 --> 00:37:59.023 AGENDA ITEM THREE POINT TO HIS 1087 00:37:59.023 --> 00:38:02.021 REPORT TO THE RULES COMMITTEE. 1088 00:38:02.021 --> 00:38:04.015 THAT REPORT IS GOING TO BE 1089 00:38:04.015 --> 00:38:05.022 GIVEN TODAY BY VICE CHAIR 1090 00:38:05.022 --> 00:38:06.008 CORTEZ DAVE >> YES, I'LL MOVE 1091 00:38:06.008 --> 00:38:09.005 THE RULES MEETING FOR DECEMBER 1092 00:38:09.005 --> 00:38:11.013 15, 2004 >> MOTION TO THE 1093 00:38:11.013 --> 00:38:14.024 SECOND AND HE COMMENTS ON THE 1094 00:38:14.024 --> 00:38:15.015 MOTION IN DISSENT ON THE MOTION 1095 00:38:15.015 --> 00:38:18.007 THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY ITEM 1096 00:38:18.007 --> 00:38:20.025 3.3 IS REPORT OF THE MAKING 1097 00:38:20.025 --> 00:38:22.019 GOVERNMENT WORK BETTER 1098 00:38:22.019 --> 00:38:23.003 COMMITTEE ARE THERE I'M SORRY 1099 00:38:23.003 --> 00:38:26.007 COUNCILMEMBER CAMPOS YOU CHAIR 1100 00:38:26.007 --> 00:38:27.006 THAT COMMITTEE >> ITEM MOVE FOR 1101 00:38:27.006 --> 00:38:29.027 APPROVAL AND 3.3 ITEM >> 3.3 1102 00:38:29.027 --> 00:38:32.005 APPROVAL IS THEIR SECOND 1103 00:38:32.005 --> 00:38:34.022 SECONDED ANY COMMENTS ON THE 1104 00:38:34.022 --> 00:38:35.013 MOTION? ANY DISSENT ON THE 1105 00:38:35.013 --> 00:38:38.003 MOTION? THAT MOTION PASSES 1106 00:38:38.003 --> 00:38:40.016 UNANIMOUSLY BUT NOW MOVE TO 1107 00:38:40.016 --> 00:38:42.017 ITEM 3.4 WHICH IS REPORT OF THE 1108 00:38:42.017 --> 00:38:44.005 INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATOR ON THE 1109 00:38:44.005 --> 00:38:46.016 RFP PROCESS FOR THE CONVERGED 1110 00:38:46.016 --> 00:38:48.012 DATA NETWORK AND TELEPHONY 1111 00:38:48.012 --> 00:38:50.002 SYSTEM FOR THE NEW CITY HALL. 1112 00:38:50.002 --> 00:38:53.022 MIKE MOYE IS HERE AND I'M GOING 1113 00:38:53.022 --> 00:38:54.027 TO ASK HIM TO COME FORWARD. 1114 00:38:54.027 --> 00:38:56.007 WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS FIRST 1115 00:38:56.007 --> 00:38:59.002 COMPLIMENT YOU MIKE, ON ON YOUR 1116 00:38:59.002 --> 00:39:01.016 EXCELLENT AND THOROUGH REPORT 1117 00:39:01.016 --> 00:39:03.019 YOU BOTH THE REPORT WE RECEIVED 1118 00:39:03.019 --> 00:39:05.005 YESTERDAY AND THE ADDENDUM THAT 1119 00:39:05.005 --> 00:39:07.017 WE RECEIVED TODAY, THE ADDENDUM 1120 00:39:07.017 --> 00:39:10.028 THAT WE RECEIVED TODAY WAS 1121 00:39:10.028 --> 00:39:12.025 AT LEAST RECEIVED IN MY OFFICE 1122 00:39:12.025 --> 00:39:13.002 ABOUT 1130. SO WE'VE TAKEN A 1123 00:39:13.002 --> 00:39:16.012 QUICK REVIEW OF IT. I CAN'T SAY 1124 00:39:16.012 --> 00:39:17.025 THAT WE'VE THOROUGHLY ANALYZED 1125 00:39:17.025 --> 00:39:18.022 IT OR HAD THE CHANCE TO BUT I 1126 00:39:18.022 --> 00:39:20.021 APPRECIATE YOU GETTING THAT TO 1127 00:39:20.021 --> 00:39:22.023 US AS IN A TIMELY WAY AND. WHAT 1128 00:39:22.023 --> 00:39:26.012 I'M GOING TO DO IS ASK MIKE TO 1129 00:39:26.012 --> 00:39:28.011 GIVE HIS PRESENTATION WHICH 1130 00:39:28.011 --> 00:39:31.011 INCLUDES THE FINDINGS AND 1131 00:39:31.011 --> 00:39:32.004 RECOMMENDATIONS. I'M GOING TO 1132 00:39:32.004 --> 00:39:34.011 PROVIDE THE CITY MANAGER AN 1133 00:39:34.011 --> 00:39:35.017 OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE HIS HIS 1134 00:39:35.017 --> 00:39:38.005 PRESENTATION, HIS RESPONSE AND 1135 00:39:38.005 --> 00:39:40.015 WE'LL TAKE QUESTIONS FOR BOTH 1136 00:39:40.015 --> 00:39:42.001 MR. MOYEN AND OUR CITY MANAGER 1137 00:39:42.001 --> 00:39:45.000 AND WE'LL HAVE COUNCIL 1138 00:39:45.000 --> 00:39:46.005 DISCUSSION AS I SAID IN A 1139 00:39:46.005 --> 00:39:49.021 COUPLE OF MEMORANDUMS THAT I'VE 1140 00:39:49.021 --> 00:39:50.003 DISTRIBUTED SINCE LATE LAST 1141 00:39:50.003 --> 00:39:52.005 WEEK. BOTH OF THESE REPORTS ARE 1142 00:39:52.005 --> 00:39:55.029 VERY EXTENSIVE AND I RECOGNIZE 1143 00:39:55.029 --> 00:39:56.007 THAT MY COLLEAGUES MAY NOT HAVE 1144 00:39:56.007 --> 00:39:59.027 HAD ENOUGH TIME TO GO THROUGH 1145 00:39:59.027 --> 00:40:00.024 EVERYTHING BUT I THOUGHT IT WAS 1146 00:40:00.024 --> 00:40:02.018 IMPORTANT THAT WE SHOW PROGRESS 1147 00:40:02.018 --> 00:40:04.000 ON THIS ITEM. WE BEGIN 1148 00:40:04.000 --> 00:40:06.001 DISCUSSION TODAY IF WE FEEL 1149 00:40:06.001 --> 00:40:08.020 THAT ACTION IS WARRANTED TODAY 1150 00:40:08.020 --> 00:40:10.026 WE CAN DO THAT. IF NOT, WE CAN 1151 00:40:10.026 --> 00:40:12.008 HOLD ACTION AND FURTHER 1152 00:40:12.008 --> 00:40:14.024 DISCUSSION OVER FOR OUR NEXT 1153 00:40:14.024 --> 00:40:16.009 COUNCIL MEETING TWO WEEKS FROM 1154 00:40:16.009 --> 00:40:18.018 TODAY. SO WITH THAT MR. MOYE 1155 00:40:18.018 --> 00:40:20.003 PLEASE. THANK >> YOU MR. MAYOR 1156 00:40:20.003 --> 00:40:22.012 AND COUNCIL MEMBERS AT THE 1157 00:40:22.012 --> 00:40:23.016 OUTSET I'D JUST LIKE TO 1158 00:40:23.016 --> 00:40:24.003 INTRODUCE FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO 1159 00:40:24.003 --> 00:40:26.027 HAVE NOT MET THEM TO MY RIGHT 1160 00:40:26.027 --> 00:40:27.020 JOAN CASEMENT, WHO WAS ONE 1161 00:40:27.020 --> 00:40:29.025 OF MY PARTNERS WHO WAS INVOLVED 1162 00:40:29.025 --> 00:40:30.001 IN THE INVESTIGATION. JOAN IS 1163 00:40:30.001 --> 00:40:33.011 THE CITY ATTORNEY FOR THE CITY 1164 00:40:33.011 --> 00:40:34.026 OF MILLBRAE AND SHE PROVIDED 1165 00:40:34.026 --> 00:40:35.002 SOME VALUABLE ASSISTANCE IN 1166 00:40:35.002 --> 00:40:37.002 TERMS OF CONDUCTING THE 1167 00:40:37.002 --> 00:40:38.026 INVESTIGATION. AND TO JOAN'S 1168 00:40:38.026 --> 00:40:39.019 LEFT IS KURT FRANKLIN WHO IS 1169 00:40:39.019 --> 00:40:41.000 ONE OF MY PARTNERS IN THE LABOR 1170 00:40:41.000 --> 00:40:43.009 AND EMPLOYMENT SECTION. HE ALSO 1171 00:40:43.009 --> 00:40:44.004 DOES PUBLIC AGENCY WORK AND 1172 00:40:44.004 --> 00:40:46.024 KURT HANDLED MOST OF OUR 1173 00:40:46.024 --> 00:40:47.011 INQUIRIES REGARDING CISCO'S 1174 00:40:47.011 --> 00:40:49.011 INVOLVEMENT IN THIS PARTICULAR 1175 00:40:49.011 --> 00:40:51.015 MATTER. YOU KNOW, AT THE OUTSET 1176 00:40:51.015 --> 00:40:55.009 WHAT I WOULD JUST SORT OF LIKE 1177 00:40:55.009 --> 00:40:57.015 TO SET OUT IS A FEW WORDS ABOUT 1178 00:40:57.015 --> 00:41:00.007 WHAT WE ATTEMPTED TO ACCOMPLISH 1179 00:41:00.007 --> 00:41:02.008 IN THE CONDUCT OF THE 1180 00:41:02.008 --> 00:41:03.018 INVESTIGATION >> AND I DO 1181 00:41:03.018 --> 00:41:05.023 APOLOGIZE THAT WE THE LATENESS 1182 00:41:05.023 --> 00:41:08.025 WITH WHICH YOU RECEIVED OUR 1183 00:41:08.025 --> 00:41:09.027 INITIAL REPORT AND THE FACT 1184 00:41:09.027 --> 00:41:10.003 THAT THERE WAS A SUPPLEMENTAL 1185 00:41:10.003 --> 00:41:12.020 REPORT WHICH WAS ISSUED LATE 1186 00:41:12.020 --> 00:41:13.002 TODAY AS WELL TOO BUT WE 1187 00:41:13.002 --> 00:41:15.018 LITERALLY FOUND OURSELVES GOING 1188 00:41:15.018 --> 00:41:16.024 RIGHT UP TO THE LAST MINUTE IN 1189 00:41:16.024 --> 00:41:17.004 TERMS OF COLLECTING AND TRYING 1190 00:41:17.004 --> 00:41:19.017 TO ANALYZE THE EVIDENCE THAT 1191 00:41:19.017 --> 00:41:21.026 APPEARED RELEVANT TO US IN THE 1192 00:41:21.026 --> 00:41:23.007 COURSE OF OUR INVESTIGATION. 1193 00:41:23.007 --> 00:41:25.008 YOU KNOW, WHAT WE SOUGHT TO DO 1194 00:41:25.008 --> 00:41:26.009 WAS AS I SET OUT IN THE REPORT 1195 00:41:26.009 --> 00:41:28.022 WAS TO BEGIN WITH THE SPECIFIC 1196 00:41:28.022 --> 00:41:29.029 INQUIRIES WHICH WERE SET FORTH 1197 00:41:29.029 --> 00:41:30.003 IN THE SEPTEMBER 14TH 1198 00:41:30.003 --> 00:41:32.008 MEMORANDUM MOVE FROM THERE TO 1199 00:41:32.008 --> 00:41:34.024 THE DISCUSSIONS OF THE COUNCIL 1200 00:41:34.024 --> 00:41:36.018 BOTH IN THE JUNE 29TH MEETING, 1201 00:41:36.018 --> 00:41:38.018 SOME OF THE DISCUSSION FROM THE 1202 00:41:38.018 --> 00:41:39.012 JUNE 22ND MEETING AND THEN THE 1203 00:41:39.012 --> 00:41:41.021 DISCUSSION FROM THE SEPTEMBER 1204 00:41:41.021 --> 00:41:42.020 14TH MEETING AS WELL TO GET 1205 00:41:42.020 --> 00:41:44.015 BETTER SENSE OF ALL THE TYPES 1206 00:41:44.015 --> 00:41:46.023 OF INQUIRIES WHICH WERE 1207 00:41:46.023 --> 00:41:48.001 FOREMOST IN THE MINDS OF THE 1208 00:41:48.001 --> 00:41:50.014 COUNCIL MEMBERS. WE ALSO SOUGHT 1209 00:41:50.014 --> 00:41:52.001 TO DETERMINE YOU KNOW, MORE 1210 00:41:52.001 --> 00:41:54.019 BROADLY BEYOND THAT WHAT OTHER 1211 00:41:54.019 --> 00:41:55.000 INQUIRIES WHICH HAD NOT 1212 00:41:55.000 --> 00:41:57.012 NECESSARILY BEEN ARTICULATED IN 1213 00:41:57.012 --> 00:41:58.027 THOSE PARTICULAR MEETINGS MIGHT 1214 00:41:58.027 --> 00:41:59.025 ALSO BE GERMANE TO THE ISSUES 1215 00:41:59.025 --> 00:42:02.000 THAT WE WERE ALREADY AN 1216 00:42:02.000 --> 00:42:04.017 INVESTIGATING AN ATTEMPT TO 1217 00:42:04.017 --> 00:42:05.025 INCORPORATE THOSE AS PART 1218 00:42:05.025 --> 00:42:06.016 OF OUR METHODOLOGY. WE >> 1219 00:42:06.016 --> 00:42:09.028 STARTED OUT WITH OUR REVIEW 1220 00:42:09.028 --> 00:42:10.017 OF THE CITY AUDITOR CITY 1221 00:42:10.017 --> 00:42:12.003 ATTORNEY'S INVESTIGATIVE 1222 00:42:12.003 --> 00:42:14.014 REPORT. WE THEN REVIEWED THE 1223 00:42:14.014 --> 00:42:16.019 PERSONNEL INVESTIGATION 1224 00:42:16.019 --> 00:42:18.003 INITIALLY WE HAD THE SUMMARY 1225 00:42:18.003 --> 00:42:20.019 OF THAT INVESTIGATION AND OVER 1226 00:42:20.019 --> 00:42:21.001 THE COURSE OF OUR INVESTIGATION 1227 00:42:21.001 --> 00:42:23.023 WE WERE ABLE TO OBTAIN COPIES 1228 00:42:23.023 --> 00:42:24.028 OF THE WITNESS >> SUMMARIES 1229 00:42:24.028 --> 00:42:25.020 WHICH PROVIDED THE BACKGROUND 1230 00:42:25.020 --> 00:42:27.000 OR THE FOUNDATION INFORMATION 1231 00:42:27.000 --> 00:42:29.009 FOR THE CONCLUSIONS SET FORTH 1232 00:42:29.009 --> 00:42:30.027 IN THE PERSONNEL SUMMARY >> 1233 00:42:30.027 --> 00:42:32.004 UPON >> REVIEW OF THOSE 1234 00:42:32.004 --> 00:42:34.020 DOCUMENTS WE HAD A SENSE OF THE 1235 00:42:34.020 --> 00:42:35.024 TYPES OF INTERVIEWS THAT WE 1236 00:42:35.024 --> 00:42:36.006 WOULD WANT TO CONDUCT GIVEN THE 1237 00:42:36.006 --> 00:42:39.009 COUNCIL'S INTEREST IN TRYING TO 1238 00:42:39.009 --> 00:42:41.017 APPROACH THIS MATTER IS 1239 00:42:41.017 --> 00:42:42.026 EXPEDITIOUSLY AS POSSIBLE. WE 1240 00:42:42.026 --> 00:42:44.018 WERE RELUCTANT TO IMMEDIATELY 1241 00:42:44.018 --> 00:42:46.006 ASSUME THAT WE WOULD INTERVIEW 1242 00:42:46.006 --> 00:42:48.004 EVERYONE WHO HAD BEEN 1243 00:42:48.004 --> 00:42:49.001 INTERVIEWED IN THE PRIOR 1244 00:42:49.001 --> 00:42:50.025 INVESTIGATIONS AND WE SOUGHT TO 1245 00:42:50.025 --> 00:42:51.002 PRIORITIZE OUR IN >> OUR 1246 00:42:51.002 --> 00:42:54.000 INVESTIGATIVE INTERVIEWS WITH 1247 00:42:54.000 --> 00:42:56.007 THOSE WHERE WE THOUGHT THAT 1248 00:42:56.007 --> 00:42:57.026 THERE WAS ADDITIONAL 1249 00:42:57.026 --> 00:42:57.002 INFORMATION WHICH MIGHT NOT 1250 00:42:57.002 --> 00:42:59.005 HAVE FOLEY BEEN ADDRESSED BY 1251 00:42:59.005 --> 00:43:00.020 THE PRIOR INVESTIGATIONS AND IN 1252 00:43:00.020 --> 00:43:02.016 CERTAIN INSTANCES WHERE WE FELT 1253 00:43:02.016 --> 00:43:04.027 THAT THE PRIOR INTERVIEWS WOULD 1254 00:43:04.027 --> 00:43:05.015 PROBABLY COVID ALL THE ISSUES, 1255 00:43:05.015 --> 00:43:07.000 WE PUT THOSE A LITTLE BIT 1256 00:43:07.000 --> 00:43:09.023 FURTHER DOWN ON OUR PRIORITY 1257 00:43:09.023 --> 00:43:10.011 SCHEME WITH THE IDEA THAT WE 1258 00:43:10.011 --> 00:43:12.017 WOULD COME BACK TO THOSE IF 1259 00:43:12.017 --> 00:43:13.027 CIRCUMSTANCES WARRANTED OR WE 1260 00:43:13.027 --> 00:43:15.022 WERE FINDING ADDITIONAL 1261 00:43:15.022 --> 00:43:16.028 EVIDENCE WHICH WOULD MAKE THOSE 1262 00:43:16.028 --> 00:43:17.021 INTERVIEWS TO SEEM A LITTLE BIT 1263 00:43:17.021 --> 00:43:19.024 MORE IMPORTANT IN TERMS OUR 1264 00:43:19.024 --> 00:43:20.025 PRIORITIES >> IN THE COURSE 1265 00:43:20.025 --> 00:43:23.026 OF CONDUCTING OUR INTERVIEWS WE 1266 00:43:23.026 --> 00:43:26.025 KNEW YOU KNOW, AT SOME POINT 1267 00:43:26.025 --> 00:43:28.029 YOU KNOW, WE GOT TO THE POINT 1268 00:43:28.029 --> 00:43:29.028 WHERE WE HAD ASSEMBLED ENOUGH 1269 00:43:29.028 --> 00:43:30.027 INFORMATION WHERE WE WERE 1270 00:43:30.027 --> 00:43:33.001 ARRIVING AT TENTATIVE 1271 00:43:33.001 --> 00:43:35.026 CONCLUSIONS WITH RESPECT TO THE 1272 00:43:35.026 --> 00:43:36.027 QUESTIONS THAT WE HAD SET FOR 1273 00:43:36.027 --> 00:43:37.005 OURSELVES AND THE QUESTIONS 1274 00:43:37.005 --> 00:43:39.014 THAT YOU ALL HAD ASKED US TO 1275 00:43:39.014 --> 00:43:40.016 ADDRESS. AND WHAT WE DID 1276 00:43:40.016 --> 00:43:42.000 ENDEAVORED TO DO WAS TO CIRCLE 1277 00:43:42.000 --> 00:43:44.021 BACK IN A COUPLE OF INSTANCES 1278 00:43:44.021 --> 00:43:46.019 OR A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT 1279 00:43:46.019 --> 00:43:47.010 CIRCUMSTANCES TO THE EXTENT 1280 00:43:47.010 --> 00:43:49.016 THAT THERE HAD BEEN A QUESTION 1281 00:43:49.016 --> 00:43:50.024 OR AN ISSUE THAT WAS RAISED BY 1282 00:43:50.024 --> 00:43:52.027 ONE OF OUR INTERVIEWEES WHICH 1283 00:43:52.027 --> 00:43:54.009 REFLECTED A CONCERN THAT THEY 1284 00:43:54.009 --> 00:43:56.016 HAD REGARDING ANY OF THESE 1285 00:43:56.016 --> 00:43:57.024 ISSUES, WE SOUGHT CIRCLE BACK 1286 00:43:57.024 --> 00:43:59.003 TO THEM TO ADDRESS WHAT WE HAD 1287 00:43:59.003 --> 00:44:01.000 FOUND IN TERMS OF OUR 1288 00:44:01.000 --> 00:44:02.009 INVESTIGATION TO THE EXTENT 1289 00:44:02.009 --> 00:44:03.011 THAT WE HAD A SENSE THAT WHAT 1290 00:44:03.011 --> 00:44:04.011 WE WERE FINDING AND WHAT WE 1291 00:44:04.011 --> 00:44:05.023 WERE GOING TO BE REPORTING 1292 00:44:05.023 --> 00:44:06.016 MIGHT NOT NECESSARILY MEET 1293 00:44:06.016 --> 00:44:08.001 THEIR EXPECTATIONS WITH RESPECT 1294 00:44:08.001 --> 00:44:10.001 TO WHAT THE EVIDENCE MIGHT 1295 00:44:10.001 --> 00:44:11.013 SHOW. WE DID THIS TO DETERMINE 1296 00:44:11.013 --> 00:44:13.017 BOTH WHETHER OR NOT THERE WERE 1297 00:44:13.017 --> 00:44:14.022 ADDITIONAL THINGS THAT WE MIGHT 1298 00:44:14.022 --> 00:44:15.024 HAVE MISSED IN THE COURSE 1299 00:44:15.024 --> 00:44:16.016 OF OUR INVESTIGATION AND ALSO 1300 00:44:16.016 --> 00:44:18.003 TO TRYING TO GET A BETTER SENSE 1301 00:44:18.003 --> 00:44:20.022 OF WHETHER OR NOT THERE WERE 1302 00:44:20.022 --> 00:44:20.004 ANY OTHER ADDITIONAL ISSUES 1303 00:44:20.004 --> 00:44:22.023 THAT WE NEEDED TO ADDRESS. 1304 00:44:22.023 --> 00:44:23.018 LIKEWISE, TO THE EXTENT THAT WE 1305 00:44:23.018 --> 00:44:25.019 HAD DETERMINED THAT THERE WERE 1306 00:44:25.019 --> 00:44:27.026 FINDINGS THAT WE WERE GOING TO 1307 00:44:27.026 --> 00:44:28.007 MAKE WITH RESPECT TO INDIVIDUAL 1308 00:44:28.007 --> 00:44:30.013 CONDUCT, WE ENDEAVOR TO SPEAK 1309 00:44:30.013 --> 00:44:32.000 WITH THE INDIVIDUAL WITH >> 1310 00:44:32.000 --> 00:44:36.000 REGARD TO WHOM WE WERE GOING TO 1311 00:44:36.000 --> 00:44:37.021 MAKE FINDINGS TO ENSURE WE 1312 00:44:37.021 --> 00:44:38.028 UNDERSTOOD FOLEY WHAT THEIR 1313 00:44:38.028 --> 00:44:39.002 VERSION OF EVENTS WERE THAT TO 1314 00:44:39.002 --> 00:44:42.008 THE EXTENT THAT WE WERE GOING 1315 00:44:42.008 --> 00:44:43.012 TO MAKE FINDINGS OR DRAW 1316 00:44:43.012 --> 00:44:44.014 CONCLUSIONS BASED UPON WHAT WE 1317 00:44:44.014 --> 00:44:46.000 VIEWED TO BE THEIR CONDUCT THAT 1318 00:44:46.000 --> 00:44:48.000 THEY UNDERSTOOD WHAT OUR 1319 00:44:48.000 --> 00:44:49.015 FINDINGS WOULD BE, THAT THEY 1320 00:44:49.015 --> 00:44:50.017 UNDERSTOOD THE BASIS FOR OUR 1321 00:44:50.017 --> 00:44:51.001 FINDINGS AND THAT TO THE EXTENT 1322 00:44:51.001 --> 00:44:53.024 THAT THERE WAS ADDITIONAL 1323 00:44:53.024 --> 00:44:53.004 INFORMATION THAT THEY WOULD 1324 00:44:53.004 --> 00:44:55.022 WISH FOR US TO CONSIDER THAT WE 1325 00:44:55.022 --> 00:44:56.002 HAD THE OPPORTUNITY OR THE 1326 00:44:56.002 --> 00:44:58.018 BENEFIT OF THEIR RELATING THOSE 1327 00:44:58.018 --> 00:45:01.005 ITEMS OR THOSE ISSUES TO US SO 1328 00:45:01.005 --> 00:45:03.004 WE COULD DETERMINE WHETHER OR 1329 00:45:03.004 --> 00:45:04.006 NOT THERE WERE ADDITIONAL STEPS 1330 00:45:04.006 --> 00:45:05.017 THAT WE NEEDED TO TAKE. SO WITH 1331 00:45:05.017 --> 00:45:08.011 THAT SORT OF >> FRAMEWORK IN 1332 00:45:08.011 --> 00:45:10.008 MIND, THE FIRST QUESTION OR 1333 00:45:10.008 --> 00:45:13.016 ISSUE SET FORTH, YOU KNOW, BY 1334 00:45:13.016 --> 00:45:14.004 THE COUNCIL WAS DETERMINING, 1335 00:45:14.004 --> 00:45:16.021 YOU KNOW, TO WHAT EXTENT THE 1336 00:45:16.021 --> 00:45:17.021 THE TWO PRIOR INVESTIGATIONS 1337 00:45:17.021 --> 00:45:19.005 THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND 1338 00:45:19.005 --> 00:45:21.012 CITY AUDITOR INVESTIGATION IN 1339 00:45:21.012 --> 00:45:23.024 THE PERSONNEL INVESTIGATION HAD 1340 00:45:23.024 --> 00:45:24.001 ADEQUATELY ADDRESSED THE ISSUES 1341 00:45:24.001 --> 00:45:26.005 THAT WERE SET FORTH IN THE 1342 00:45:26.005 --> 00:45:27.012 CONCLUSIONS OF THOSE REPORTS 1343 00:45:27.012 --> 00:45:29.019 AND IN THIS >> INSTANCE HAD 1344 00:45:29.019 --> 00:45:30.000 FOUND FIVE INSTANCES WHERE WE 1345 00:45:30.000 --> 00:45:33.000 BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE 1346 00:45:33.000 --> 00:45:34.027 ADDITIONAL FACTS OR ISSUES 1347 00:45:34.027 --> 00:45:35.019 WHICH WERE NOT COVID IN THOSE 1348 00:45:35.019 --> 00:45:37.013 INVESTIGATIONS WHICH WE REPORT 1349 00:45:37.013 --> 00:45:39.009 ON IN THIS INVESTIGATE THE 1350 00:45:39.009 --> 00:45:41.005 FIRST TO CONCERN ISSUES RELATED 1351 00:45:41.005 --> 00:45:43.016 TO POTENTIAL CONFLICTS 1352 00:45:43.016 --> 00:45:44.019 OF INTEREST OR INAPPROPRIATE 1353 00:45:44.019 --> 00:45:45.014 CONDUCT WITH RESPECT TO 1354 00:45:45.014 --> 00:45:48.024 INTERACTIONS BETWEEN CITY 1355 00:45:48.024 --> 00:45:49.021 EMPLOYEES IN THE UNISYS 1356 00:45:49.021 --> 00:45:51.019 CORPORATION. THE FIRST >> 1357 00:45:51.019 --> 00:45:53.027 OF THESE BEING A EXCHANGE 1358 00:45:53.027 --> 00:45:55.009 OF INFORMATION BETWEEN JOHN 1359 00:45:55.009 --> 00:45:57.023 WALTON WHO IS THE FORMER DEPUTY 1360 00:45:57.023 --> 00:45:59.007 CHIEF INFORMATION OFFICER FOR 1361 00:45:59.007 --> 00:46:01.001 THE CITY WHO LEFT EMPLOYMENT 1362 00:46:01.001 --> 00:46:03.004 WITH THE CITY IN SEPTEMBER 1363 00:46:03.004 --> 00:46:04.000 OF 2003 ASSUMED A POSITION WITH 1364 00:46:04.000 --> 00:46:06.012 CISCO PRIOR TO HIS DEPARTURE 1365 00:46:06.012 --> 00:46:08.022 FROM CITY EMPLOYMENT ONE OF HIS 1366 00:46:08.022 --> 00:46:09.007 JOB RESPONSIBILITIES AMONGST 1367 00:46:09.007 --> 00:46:11.023 THE VERY JOB RESPONSIBILITIES 1368 00:46:11.023 --> 00:46:12.002 FOR A DEPUTY HEAD DID I SAY 1369 00:46:12.002 --> 00:46:16.005 CISCO I THAT'S UNISYS. OKAY. 1370 00:46:16.005 --> 00:46:20.009 THANK YOU. >> ONE OF HIS 1371 00:46:20.009 --> 00:46:22.020 RESPONSIBILITIES A SPECIFIC 1372 00:46:22.020 --> 00:46:23.028 RESPONSIBILITIES CONCERNED A 1373 00:46:23.028 --> 00:46:25.007 PILOT PROJECT ON A CONVERGED 1374 00:46:25.007 --> 00:46:28.012 NETWORK. THIS PILOT PROJECT WAS 1375 00:46:28.012 --> 00:46:31.022 INTENDED TO BE A FORERUNNER 1376 00:46:31.022 --> 00:46:32.023 WHERE THE ACTUAL CONVERGED 1377 00:46:32.023 --> 00:46:33.001 NETWORK PROJECT FOR THE CITY 1378 00:46:33.001 --> 00:46:35.015 HALL WE >> DETERMINED THAT 1379 00:46:35.015 --> 00:46:37.026 THERE WAS AN EMAIL THAT WAS 1380 00:46:37.026 --> 00:46:38.008 SENT BY MR. WALTON TO WENDY 1381 00:46:38.008 --> 00:46:41.017 WALKER WHO WAS THEN THE CURRENT 1382 00:46:41.017 --> 00:46:43.022 DEPUTY CHIEF INFORMATION 1383 00:46:43.022 --> 00:46:44.017 OFFICER AND THIS EMAIL 1384 00:46:44.017 --> 00:46:46.025 CONTAINED THAT HAPPENS WHICH 1385 00:46:46.025 --> 00:46:47.007 INCLUDED INFORMATION ABOUT 1386 00:46:47.007 --> 00:46:49.023 CERTAIN OF UNISYS 1387 00:46:49.023 --> 00:46:52.023 COMMUNICATIONS AND PROJECT 1388 00:46:52.023 --> 00:46:55.006 MODELING TOOLS. WE FOUND THIS 1389 00:46:55.006 --> 00:46:58.010 IN THE INFORMATION BEING SENT 1390 00:46:58.010 --> 00:47:00.027 TO MS. WALTON SIGNIFICANT FOR 1391 00:47:00.027 --> 00:47:01.018 TWO REASONS NUMBER ONE, THE 1392 00:47:01.018 --> 00:47:03.009 TIMING OF THIS COMMUNICATION 1393 00:47:03.009 --> 00:47:06.005 FEBRUARY 27TH JUST SHORTLY 1394 00:47:06.005 --> 00:47:08.012 BEFORE THE RFP FOR THE 1395 00:47:08.012 --> 00:47:09.024 CONVERGED NETWORK WAS ACTUALLY 1396 00:47:09.024 --> 00:47:10.010 ISSUED AND DURING THE PERIOD 1397 00:47:10.010 --> 00:47:13.027 OF TIME WHEN INFORMATION 1398 00:47:13.027 --> 00:47:14.016 REGARDING THE SPECIFICATIONS 1399 00:47:14.016 --> 00:47:17.004 FOR THE RFP IN THE SYSTEM WERE 1400 00:47:17.004 --> 00:47:19.014 BEING DISCUSSED VERY ACTIVELY 1401 00:47:19.014 --> 00:47:20.025 WITHIN THE IT DEPARTMENT, >> WE 1402 00:47:20.025 --> 00:47:22.013 ALSO DETERMINED BASED UPON OUR 1403 00:47:22.013 --> 00:47:24.012 REVIEW OF UNISYS RESPONSE TO 1404 00:47:24.012 --> 00:47:26.019 THE RFP THAT THE INFORMATION >> 1405 00:47:26.019 --> 00:47:28.007 THAT HAD BEEN PROVIDED BY MR. 1406 00:47:28.007 --> 00:47:30.023 WALTON TO MS. WALKER WAS THE 1407 00:47:30.023 --> 00:47:31.002 SAME INFORMATION WHICH WAS 1408 00:47:31.002 --> 00:47:33.024 INCLUDED AS PART OF UNISYS 1409 00:47:33.024 --> 00:47:34.012 RESPONSE AND APPEARED TO US TO 1410 00:47:34.012 --> 00:47:37.028 BE A SELLING POINT IF YOU WILL, 1411 00:47:37.028 --> 00:47:39.028 IN TERMS OF REASONS WHY UNISYS 1412 00:47:39.028 --> 00:47:41.003 SHOULD BE SELECTED OVER OTHER 1413 00:47:41.003 --> 00:47:43.009 BIDDERS ON THE PROJECT AND IT 1414 00:47:43.009 --> 00:47:45.010 WAS EXACTLY THE SAME 1415 00:47:45.010 --> 00:47:46.013 INFORMATION ALMOST VERBATIM WE 1416 00:47:46.013 --> 00:47:49.025 DETERMINED THAT THIS PRESENTED 1417 00:47:49.025 --> 00:47:50.014 A POTENTIAL CONFLICT 1418 00:47:50.014 --> 00:47:52.022 OF INTEREST ISSUE AND ALSO WE 1419 00:47:52.022 --> 00:47:54.005 DETERMINED THAT BASED UPON 1420 00:47:54.005 --> 00:47:56.016 STATEMENTS THAT HAD BEEN MADE 1421 00:47:56.016 --> 00:47:57.002 BY MR. WALTON TO THE CITY 1422 00:47:57.002 --> 00:47:59.010 ATTORNEY IN THE PRIOR 1423 00:47:59.010 --> 00:48:00.010 INVESTIGATION SEEMED 1424 00:48:00.010 --> 00:48:01.010 INCONSISTENT WITH THIS 1425 00:48:01.010 --> 00:48:02.004 COMMUNICATION AND THIS 1426 00:48:02.004 --> 00:48:04.007 COMMUNICATION HAD NOT BEEN 1427 00:48:04.007 --> 00:48:05.008 DISCLOSED IN THE PRIOR 1428 00:48:05.008 --> 00:48:06.001 INVESTIGATION AND THE 1429 00:48:06.001 --> 00:48:08.006 CONCLUSION THAT WE SET FORTH 1430 00:48:08.006 --> 00:48:09.011 WITH REGARD TO THIS PARTICULAR 1431 00:48:09.011 --> 00:48:10.006 ISSUE WAS THAT THIS MAY CALL 1432 00:48:10.006 --> 00:48:12.007 FOR FURTHER ACTION BY THE CITY 1433 00:48:12.007 --> 00:48:15.019 ATTORNEY OR EVALUATION I GUESS 1434 00:48:15.019 --> 00:48:16.020 MORE CORRECTLY BY THE CITY 1435 00:48:16.020 --> 00:48:17.028 ATTORNEY WITH RESPECT TO 1436 00:48:17.028 --> 00:48:18.002 WHETHER OR NOT IT DOES PRESENT 1437 00:48:18.002 --> 00:48:20.015 AN ACTUAL CONFLICT OF INTEREST. 1438 00:48:20.015 --> 00:48:22.025 THE SECOND ISSUE WHICH ALSO 1439 00:48:22.025 --> 00:48:23.017 CONCERNED UNISYS RELATES TO A 1440 00:48:23.017 --> 00:48:26.029 MEETING THAT WE DISCOVERED OR A 1441 00:48:26.029 --> 00:48:27.021 LUNCH MEETING THAT WE 1442 00:48:27.021 --> 00:48:28.000 DISCOVERED THAT OCCURRED ON 1443 00:48:28.000 --> 00:48:30.027 MARCH 18TH OF 2004. 1444 00:48:30.027 --> 00:48:35.025 PARTICIPATING >> IN THIS 1445 00:48:35.025 --> 00:48:36.017 MEETING WERE THE THEN CHIEF 1446 00:48:36.017 --> 00:48:39.007 INFORMATION OFFICER VANDEGRIFT 1447 00:48:39.007 --> 00:48:42.023 WENDY WALKER THE DEPUTY CHIEF 1448 00:48:42.023 --> 00:48:43.017 INFORMATION OFFICER AND CRAIG 1449 00:48:43.017 --> 00:48:45.001 HOLT AND JOHN WALTON. CRAIG 1450 00:48:45.001 --> 00:48:48.017 HOLT WAS ALSO AN EMPLOYEE 1451 00:48:48.017 --> 00:48:49.020 OF UNISYS. BY WAY OF BACKGROUND 1452 00:48:49.020 --> 00:48:51.003 MR. HOLT HAD >> WORKED FOR A 1453 00:48:51.003 --> 00:48:54.008 NUMBER OF YEARS IN A VARIETY 1454 00:48:54.008 --> 00:48:56.001 OF CAPACITIES BUT WITH RESPECT 1455 00:48:56.001 --> 00:48:58.010 TO HIS RELATIONSHIP WITH THE 1456 00:48:58.010 --> 00:48:59.014 CITY IT BEGAN WITH HIS A 1457 00:48:59.014 --> 00:49:01.022 COMPANY OF HIS OWN MANAGING 1458 00:49:01.022 --> 00:49:02.017 TOTAL PERFORMANCE AND HE SERVED 1459 00:49:02.017 --> 00:49:04.016 AS A CONTRACTOR PROVIDING 1460 00:49:04.016 --> 00:49:06.015 PERFORMANCE MANAGEMENT 1461 00:49:06.015 --> 00:49:07.027 CONSULTING SERVICES, OTHER 1462 00:49:07.027 --> 00:49:08.003 SERVICES TO THE CITY IN THAT 1463 00:49:08.003 --> 00:49:10.024 CAPACITY. HE LATER WAS EMPLOYED 1464 00:49:10.024 --> 00:49:12.019 BY ARTHUR ANDERSEN AND ARTHUR 1465 00:49:12.019 --> 00:49:14.022 ANDERSEN HAD A CONSULTING 1466 00:49:14.022 --> 00:49:15.015 AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY WHICH 1467 00:49:15.015 --> 00:49:17.000 RELATED SPECIFICALLY TO 1468 00:49:17.000 --> 00:49:19.010 INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY OR THE 1469 00:49:19.010 --> 00:49:22.017 DEVELOPMENT OF THE INFORMATION 1470 00:49:22.017 --> 00:49:23.000 TECHNOLOGY MASTER PLAN AND 1471 00:49:23.000 --> 00:49:25.004 SUBSEQUENTLY THE INFORMATION 1472 00:49:25.004 --> 00:49:26.000 TECHNOLOGY PLANNING BOARD AND 1473 00:49:26.000 --> 00:49:28.027 THAT CONTRACT WAS LATER ASSUMED 1474 00:49:28.027 --> 00:49:30.019 BY UNISYS WHEN IT ACQUIRED THE 1475 00:49:30.019 --> 00:49:33.002 EMPLOYEES IN THAT GROUP FROM 1476 00:49:33.002 --> 00:49:35.015 ARTHUR ANDERSEN. >> WE ALSO 1477 00:49:35.015 --> 00:49:37.000 DISCOVERED FROM THE UNISYS RFP 1478 00:49:37.000 --> 00:49:39.012 RESPONSE THAT MR. HOLT WAS 1479 00:49:39.012 --> 00:49:40.002 INTENDED TO BE A MEMBER OF THE 1480 00:49:40.002 --> 00:49:42.019 INNOCENCE PROJECT TEAM WHICH 1481 00:49:42.019 --> 00:49:43.018 WAS PROPOSED >> FOR THE 1482 00:49:43.018 --> 00:49:44.012 CONVERGE NETWORK PROJECT. MR. 1483 00:49:44.012 --> 00:49:48.023 HOLT'S POSITION ON THAT TEAM 1484 00:49:48.023 --> 00:49:50.024 WAS IDENTIFIED AS EXECUTIVE 1485 00:49:50.024 --> 00:49:52.024 OVERSIGHT AND IT RELATED TO THE 1486 00:49:52.024 --> 00:49:54.000 THREE DIMENSIONAL VISIBLE 1487 00:49:54.000 --> 00:49:56.017 ENTERPRISE. AND AGAIN GOING 1488 00:49:56.017 --> 00:49:57.018 BACK AND I PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE 1489 00:49:57.018 --> 00:49:58.023 MENTIONED THIS BEFORE THE 1490 00:49:58.023 --> 00:49:59.020 INFORMATION THAT MR. WALTON HAD 1491 00:49:59.020 --> 00:50:01.020 SENT TO MS. WALKER CONCERNING 1492 00:50:01.020 --> 00:50:03.003 THIS THREE DIMENSIONAL VISIBLE 1493 00:50:03.003 --> 00:50:05.012 ENTERPRISE AND THAT WAS ONE 1494 00:50:05.012 --> 00:50:06.023 OF THE RESPONSIBILITIES OR 1495 00:50:06.023 --> 00:50:07.011 AT LEAST APPEARED TO BE ONE 1496 00:50:07.011 --> 00:50:08.006 OF THE RESPONSIBILITIES THAT 1497 00:50:08.006 --> 00:50:09.025 MR. HOLT WOULD HAVE WITH 1498 00:50:09.025 --> 00:50:10.027 RESPECT TO THIS PROJECT. >> THE 1499 00:50:10.027 --> 00:50:12.001 TIMING OF THIS MEETING THREE 1500 00:50:12.001 --> 00:50:14.013 DAYS AFTER THE RFP ISSUED >> 1501 00:50:14.013 --> 00:50:16.026 APPEARED TO US TO PRESENT A 1502 00:50:16.026 --> 00:50:17.020 POTENTIAL CONFLICT OF INTEREST 1503 00:50:17.020 --> 00:50:19.007 ISSUE. THE EVIDENCE DOES >> NOT 1504 00:50:19.007 --> 00:50:22.002 SHOW THAT THERE WAS ANY 1505 00:50:22.002 --> 00:50:23.022 DISCUSSION OF THE RFP IN THE 1506 00:50:23.022 --> 00:50:24.010 COURSE OF THIS LUNCH MEETING. 1507 00:50:24.010 --> 00:50:26.023 IN FACT THE EVIDENCE FROM ALL 1508 00:50:26.023 --> 00:50:28.025 >> PARTIES TO THE MEETING IS 1509 00:50:28.025 --> 00:50:29.011 THAT THE LUNCH MEETING BEGAN 1510 00:50:29.011 --> 00:50:31.014 WITH A WARNING OR AN ADVISORY 1511 00:50:31.014 --> 00:50:34.006 THAT THE RFP HAS ISSUED. WE 1512 00:50:34.006 --> 00:50:36.021 SHOULD NOT DISCUSS IT AND 1513 00:50:36.021 --> 00:50:37.006 THEREFORE AFTER THERE WAS NO 1514 00:50:37.006 --> 00:50:39.017 DISCUSSION OF THE RFP HOWEVER, 1515 00:50:39.017 --> 00:50:41.020 BASED UPON THE TIMING OF THIS 1516 00:50:41.020 --> 00:50:42.001 INCIDENT, IT DOES PRESENT THE 1517 00:50:42.001 --> 00:50:44.011 POTENTIAL OVER THE APPEARANCE 1518 00:50:44.011 --> 00:50:45.001 OF A CONFLICT OF INTEREST WHICH 1519 00:50:45.001 --> 00:50:47.001 AGAIN WE BELIEVE SHOULD BE 1520 00:50:47.001 --> 00:50:48.028 EVALUATED BY THE CITY ATTORNEY 1521 00:50:48.028 --> 00:50:49.017 TO DETERMINE WHAT IF ANY ACTION 1522 00:50:49.017 --> 00:50:51.026 SHOULD BE TAKEN WITH REGARD TO 1523 00:50:51.026 --> 00:50:53.020 UNISYS FURTHER INVOLVEMENT IN 1524 00:50:53.020 --> 00:50:55.000 ANY RFP RELATED TO THE 1525 00:50:55.000 --> 00:50:57.027 CONVERGED NETWORK >> THE THIRD, 1526 00:50:57.027 --> 00:51:00.018 THIRD AND FOURTH ISSUES THAT WE 1527 00:51:00.018 --> 00:51:03.019 FOUND TO BE NEW >> INFORMATION 1528 00:51:03.019 --> 00:51:06.023 WITH RESPECT TO THE PRIOR 1529 00:51:06.023 --> 00:51:07.000 INVESTIGATIONS CONCERNED BY 1530 00:51:07.000 --> 00:51:12.028 INTERACTIONS WITH THE CITY 1531 00:51:12.028 --> 00:51:13.026 MANAGER'S OFFICE IN THE RFP 1532 00:51:13.026 --> 00:51:15.002 PROCESS IN THE FIRST OF THESE 1533 00:51:15.002 --> 00:51:18.013 INVOLVED OR IS A CONCLUSION 1534 00:51:18.013 --> 00:51:20.007 THAT WE DREW BASED UPON 1535 00:51:20.007 --> 00:51:22.022 EVIDENCE THAT WE REVIEWED 1536 00:51:22.022 --> 00:51:23.015 REGARDING DEPUTY CITY MANAGER 1537 00:51:23.015 --> 00:51:25.010 EDUCATOR'S KNOWLEDGE OF EVENTS 1538 00:51:25.010 --> 00:51:28.000 THAT RELATED TO THE PROCESSING 1539 00:51:28.000 --> 00:51:30.003 OF THE RFP AND THE QUESTION 1540 00:51:30.003 --> 00:51:32.018 OF WHETHER WHAT ACTION HE HAD 1541 00:51:32.018 --> 00:51:33.008 TAKEN, IF ANY UPON RECEIPT OR 1542 00:51:33.008 --> 00:51:36.013 OR UPON GAINING KNOWLEDGE 1543 00:51:36.013 --> 00:51:39.005 OF WHAT STEPS WERE BEING TAKEN 1544 00:51:39.005 --> 00:51:41.029 BY CITY STAFF REGARDING THE RFP 1545 00:51:41.029 --> 00:51:42.018 TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT, 1546 00:51:42.018 --> 00:51:44.011 YOU KNOW, MATTERS SHOULD HAVE 1547 00:51:44.011 --> 00:51:46.020 BEEN BROUGHT TO THE ATTENTION 1548 00:51:46.020 --> 00:51:47.015 OF OTHER INDIVIDUALS, OUR >> 1549 00:51:47.015 --> 00:51:49.001 CONCLUSIONS ON THIS PARTICULAR 1550 00:51:49.001 --> 00:51:51.013 POINT CENTER ON A PERIOD 1551 00:51:51.013 --> 00:51:52.012 OF TIME IN EARLY APRIL IN JUST 1552 00:51:52.012 --> 00:51:55.008 TO SORT OF SET THE BACKGROUND 1553 00:51:55.008 --> 00:51:57.011 OR STAGE IF YOU WILL, THE RFP 1554 00:51:57.011 --> 00:51:59.002 ISSUED ON MARCH 15. AT THE TIME 1555 00:51:59.002 --> 00:52:02.021 THE RFP ISSUED THERE WAS A AN 1556 00:52:02.021 --> 00:52:05.007 OPINION WHICH WAS PROVIDED BY 1557 00:52:05.007 --> 00:52:07.015 THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. IT 1558 00:52:07.015 --> 00:52:08.005 WAS THE AUTHORED BY DEPUTY >> 1559 00:52:08.005 --> 00:52:10.002 CITY ATTORNEY BRIAN DOYLE AND 1560 00:52:10.002 --> 00:52:12.015 IT WAS ADVICE TO >> THE GENERAL 1561 00:52:12.015 --> 00:52:13.007 SERVICES DIRECTOR THAT THE RFP 1562 00:52:13.007 --> 00:52:15.015 WAS BEING ISSUED WITH 1563 00:52:15.015 --> 00:52:16.004 OBJECTIONS AND A CONCERN THAT 1564 00:52:16.004 --> 00:52:18.003 >> SHOULD PROBLEMS ARISE THAT 1565 00:52:18.003 --> 00:52:20.013 THE CITY WOULD NOT BE IN A 1566 00:52:20.013 --> 00:52:21.026 POSITION TO DEFEND ITSELF. 1567 00:52:21.026 --> 00:52:23.005 SUBSEQUENTLY THERE WAS A 1568 00:52:23.005 --> 00:52:25.017 MEETING AT WHICH DEPUTY CITY 1569 00:52:25.017 --> 00:52:27.021 ATTORNEY BRIAN DOYLE WAS 1570 00:52:27.021 --> 00:52:28.017 PRESENT THE CHIEF INFORMATION 1571 00:52:28.017 --> 00:52:30.027 OR CHIEF INFORMATION OFFICER 1572 00:52:30.027 --> 00:52:32.025 VANDEGRIFT WAS THERE. THERE WAS 1573 00:52:32.025 --> 00:52:34.000 A VERBAL DISPUTE BETWEEN THE 1574 00:52:34.000 --> 00:52:37.007 TWO OF THEM AND IN THE COURSE 1575 00:52:37.007 --> 00:52:38.006 OF THAT THERE WAS A STATEMENT 1576 00:52:38.006 --> 00:52:39.015 MADE BY DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEY 1577 00:52:39.015 --> 00:52:40.009 DOYLE FOND PARK RIDGE THAT 1578 00:52:40.009 --> 00:52:43.025 THERE WERE FLAWS IN THE RFP 1579 00:52:43.025 --> 00:52:44.011 PROCESS. THIS SUBSEQUENTLY LED 1580 00:52:44.011 --> 00:52:47.003 TO AN EMAIL >> BEING SENT FROM 1581 00:52:47.003 --> 00:52:49.009 VONDRA RIDGE TO BRIAN DOYLE ON 1582 00:52:49.009 --> 00:52:51.000 APRIL IN EARLY APRIL AND 1583 00:52:51.000 --> 00:52:54.016 BASICALLY REFERRING TO THE 1584 00:52:54.016 --> 00:52:55.021 EARLIER CONVERSATION AND SAYING 1585 00:52:55.021 --> 00:52:56.019 I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE 1586 00:52:56.019 --> 00:52:57.005 FLAWS IN THE SYSTEM, COULD YOU 1587 00:52:57.005 --> 00:52:59.024 PLEASE TELL ME WHAT IT IS THAT 1588 00:52:59.024 --> 00:53:00.002 YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? THERE WAS 1589 00:53:00.002 --> 00:53:03.018 A RESPONSE >> EMAIL BY BRIAN 1590 00:53:03.018 --> 00:53:04.012 DOYLE IT WAS SENT ON APRIL 6TH. 1591 00:53:04.012 --> 00:53:07.015 IT'S A RATHER LENGTHY EMAIL AND 1592 00:53:07.015 --> 00:53:09.009 IT IDENTIFIED SEVEN SPECIFIC 1593 00:53:09.009 --> 00:53:11.026 CONCERNS THAT MR. DOYLE HAD 1594 00:53:11.026 --> 00:53:12.022 WITH RESPECT TO THE RFP. THIS 1595 00:53:12.022 --> 00:53:16.017 GRINCH'S RESPONSE TO THAT WAS 1596 00:53:16.017 --> 00:53:20.015 TO SET FORTH THE DESIRE TO 1597 00:53:20.015 --> 00:53:22.022 SPEAK WITH HIM FURTHER ABOUT 1598 00:53:22.022 --> 00:53:23.016 THAT EVENT. WE SAW A COUPLE 1599 00:53:23.016 --> 00:53:26.027 OF EMAILS FROM MR. RICH 1600 00:53:26.027 --> 00:53:27.023 SUBSEQUENT TO HER RESPONSE TO 1601 00:53:27.023 --> 00:53:29.020 MR. DOYLE >> WHEREIN SHE 1602 00:53:29.020 --> 00:53:32.006 QUERIED A OF MEMBERS OF HER 1603 00:53:32.006 --> 00:53:34.016 STAFF >> WENDY WALKER AND MARIO 1604 00:53:34.016 --> 00:53:36.017 BAUER ASKING THEM TO PROVIDE 1605 00:53:36.017 --> 00:53:39.010 HER WITH SOME ADDITIONAL >> 1606 00:53:39.010 --> 00:53:40.018 INFORMATION OR TO TALK WITH HER 1607 00:53:40.018 --> 00:53:41.016 SO THAT SHE COULD RESPOND TO 1608 00:53:41.016 --> 00:53:43.008 BRIAN DOYLE. >> THERE WAS NEVER 1609 00:53:43.008 --> 00:53:46.020 ACTUALLY A FOLLOW UP MEETING AS 1610 00:53:46.020 --> 00:53:47.007 BETWEEN THE TWO OF THEM. BUT 1611 00:53:47.007 --> 00:53:49.025 ACCORDING TO MR. RICH, ONE 1612 00:53:49.025 --> 00:53:50.027 OF THE STATEMENTS THAT SHE MADE 1613 00:53:50.027 --> 00:53:51.002 TO US DURING THE COURSE OF THE 1614 00:53:51.002 --> 00:53:53.022 INVESTIGATION WAS THAT SHE 1615 00:53:53.022 --> 00:53:54.001 DISCUSSED THAT EMAIL WITH JOSIE 1616 00:53:54.001 --> 00:53:58.003 OBERON WHO WAS THE GENERAL 1617 00:53:58.003 --> 00:53:59.025 SERVICES DIRECTOR AT THE TIME 1618 00:53:59.025 --> 00:54:00.005 AND DEPUTY CITY MANAGER 1619 00:54:00.005 --> 00:54:02.015 CHICAGO. NOW IT'S IMPORTANT TO 1620 00:54:02.015 --> 00:54:04.021 POINT OUT THAT WE LEARNED 1621 00:54:04.021 --> 00:54:06.013 OF THIS PARTICULAR CONVERSATION 1622 00:54:06.013 --> 00:54:08.011 AND THE FACT THAT THERE HAD 1623 00:54:08.011 --> 00:54:09.008 BEEN THIS SPECIFIC DISCUSSION 1624 00:54:09.008 --> 00:54:11.025 OF THE APRIL SIX EMAIL NOT 1625 00:54:11.025 --> 00:54:12.018 AT THE BEGINNING OF HER 1626 00:54:12.018 --> 00:54:13.023 INVESTIGATION. THIS WAS NOT 1627 00:54:13.023 --> 00:54:14.010 INFORMATION WHICH WAS INCLUDED 1628 00:54:14.010 --> 00:54:16.020 IN EITHER OF THE TWO PRIOR 1629 00:54:16.020 --> 00:54:17.027 INVESTIGATIONS. THIS WAS A 1630 00:54:17.027 --> 00:54:18.024 SUBJECT WHICH CAME UP LATER ON 1631 00:54:18.024 --> 00:54:20.025 DURING THE COURSE OF OUR 1632 00:54:20.025 --> 00:54:21.007 INTERVIEW AND AFTER WE HAD 1633 00:54:21.007 --> 00:54:23.010 CONDUCTED THE FIRST OF TWO FACE 1634 00:54:23.010 --> 00:54:25.016 TO FACE INTERVIEWS WITH MS.. 1635 00:54:25.016 --> 00:54:26.008 GRETSCH AND SHE EXPLAINED TO US 1636 00:54:26.008 --> 00:54:28.025 THAT THIS MEETING OCCURRED WE 1637 00:54:28.025 --> 00:54:29.002 ATTEMPTED TO TO DEVELOP SOME 1638 00:54:29.002 --> 00:54:32.017 ADDITIONAL DETAILS IN TERMS 1639 00:54:32.017 --> 00:54:33.015 OF WHEN THE MEETING OCCURRED, 1640 00:54:33.015 --> 00:54:34.017 IF IT WAS A FACE TO FACE 1641 00:54:34.017 --> 00:54:35.026 MEETING, WHETHER OR NOT THERE 1642 00:54:35.026 --> 00:54:36.005 WAS A COPY OF THE EMAIL THEY'RE 1643 00:54:36.005 --> 00:54:38.018 TRYING TO DETERMINE AS MUCH AS 1644 00:54:38.018 --> 00:54:39.027 WE COULD IN TERMS OF THE DETAIL 1645 00:54:39.027 --> 00:54:40.024 OF THIS MEETING. WE ALSO SPOKE 1646 00:54:40.024 --> 00:54:42.026 WITH MR. OBREGON REGARDING THE 1647 00:54:42.026 --> 00:54:44.024 MEETING AND MR. O'BRIEN HAD A 1648 00:54:44.024 --> 00:54:46.005 SPECIFIC RECOLLECTION OF A 1649 00:54:46.005 --> 00:54:48.012 MEETING WHICH FOCUSED THE APRIL 1650 00:54:48.012 --> 00:54:50.007 SIX EMAIL AND THAT THAT MEETING 1651 00:54:50.007 --> 00:54:52.029 INVOLVED PROJECT RICH AND 1652 00:54:52.029 --> 00:54:53.024 DEPUTY CITY MANAGER ED CHICAGO 1653 00:54:53.024 --> 00:54:55.004 . WE ALSO SPOKE WITH DEPUTY 1654 00:54:55.004 --> 00:54:58.028 CITY >> MANAGER ED ABOUT THIS 1655 00:54:58.028 --> 00:54:59.019 MEETING AND WHETHER OR NOT HE 1656 00:54:59.019 --> 00:55:01.024 RECALLED THIS SORT OF MEETING 1657 00:55:01.024 --> 00:55:02.015 OCCURRING AND WHETHER OR NOT, 1658 00:55:02.015 --> 00:55:04.027 YOU KNOW, WHAT HIS RECOLLECTION 1659 00:55:04.027 --> 00:55:05.025 >> OF THE EVENTS CONCERNING 1660 00:55:05.025 --> 00:55:06.024 THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE. MR. 1661 00:55:06.024 --> 00:55:08.013 SHIKATA STATED THAT THERE WERE 1662 00:55:08.013 --> 00:55:11.004 ESSENTIALLY TWO SEPARATE TYPES 1663 00:55:11.004 --> 00:55:13.012 OF MEETINGS THAT INVOLVED BOTH 1664 00:55:13.012 --> 00:55:14.002 HIM VONDRA RIDGE, JOSE OBREGON, 1665 00:55:14.002 --> 00:55:18.014 THE GENERAL SERVICES DIRECTOR. 1666 00:55:18.014 --> 00:55:19.010 THERE WERE SORT OF A GENERAL 1667 00:55:19.010 --> 00:55:20.014 MEETING WHICH DEALT WITH ISSUES 1668 00:55:20.014 --> 00:55:21.018 RELATED TO THE NEW CITY HALL 1669 00:55:21.018 --> 00:55:22.024 AND THEN THERE WAS THE SPECIFIC 1670 00:55:22.024 --> 00:55:23.025 MEETING WHICH WOULD TYPICALLY 1671 00:55:23.025 --> 00:55:24.009 INVOLVE THE TWO OF THEM. MR. 1672 00:55:24.009 --> 00:55:27.015 SHIKATA >> DID NOT HAVE A 1673 00:55:27.015 --> 00:55:28.002 MEMORY OF A MEETING WHERE THERE 1674 00:55:28.002 --> 00:55:30.014 WAS A DISCUSSION OF THE APRIL 1675 00:55:30.014 --> 00:55:31.027 SIX EMAIL FROM BRIAN DOYLE HE 1676 00:55:31.027 --> 00:55:33.010 DID NOT HAVE A >> RECOLLECTION 1677 00:55:33.010 --> 00:55:36.026 OF A MEETING >> WITH VON ERICH, 1678 00:55:36.026 --> 00:55:37.008 RICK AND JOSE OVER DON WHERE 1679 00:55:37.008 --> 00:55:39.019 THERE A GENERAL DISCUSSION OR 1680 00:55:39.019 --> 00:55:41.006 GENERAL OR SPECIFIC DISCUSSION 1681 00:55:41.006 --> 00:55:43.018 ABOUT PROBLEMS WITH THE RFP 1682 00:55:43.018 --> 00:55:46.000 NOTWITHSTANDING WHERE THE 1683 00:55:46.000 --> 00:55:48.005 SOURCE OF THOSE PROBLEMS OR 1684 00:55:48.005 --> 00:55:49.002 WHERE THEY GOT INFORMATION 1685 00:55:49.002 --> 00:55:50.016 ABOUT PROBLEMS FROM >> A COUPLE 1686 00:55:50.016 --> 00:55:52.014 OF THINGS THAT MR. SHIKATA 1687 00:55:52.014 --> 00:55:53.027 POINTED OUT TO ME YOU KNOW THAT 1688 00:55:53.027 --> 00:55:54.023 YOU KNOW, I REGRET THAT WE DID 1689 00:55:54.023 --> 00:55:56.000 NOT REFLECT ON THE REPORT IS 1690 00:55:56.000 --> 00:55:59.002 THAT IN THE REVIEW OF THE 1691 00:55:59.002 --> 00:56:00.017 CALENDARS FOR THESE INDIVIDUALS 1692 00:56:00.017 --> 00:56:01.023 THERE WAS NOTHING THERE WHICH 1693 00:56:01.023 --> 00:56:02.028 WOULD HAVE SUGGESTED THAT THE 1694 00:56:02.028 --> 00:56:03.018 MEETING OR I SHOULD SAY THERE 1695 00:56:03.018 --> 00:56:06.019 WAS NO INFORMATION THERE WHICH 1696 00:56:06.019 --> 00:56:07.023 WAS HELPFUL IN TERMS 1697 00:56:07.023 --> 00:56:08.020 OF DETERMINING WHETHER OR NOT 1698 00:56:08.020 --> 00:56:09.015 THE MEETING HAD ACTUALLY 1699 00:56:09.015 --> 00:56:10.022 OCCURRED. WE DID NOT SEE A 1700 00:56:10.022 --> 00:56:11.023 CALENDAR NOTE WHICH 1701 00:56:11.023 --> 00:56:12.028 SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSED THIS 1702 00:56:12.028 --> 00:56:13.023 PARTICULAR ISSUE. MR. SHIKATA 1703 00:56:13.023 --> 00:56:15.014 DID NOT HAVE A CALENDAR ENTRY 1704 00:56:15.014 --> 00:56:17.009 ON HIS CALENDAR WHICH ADDRESSED 1705 00:56:17.009 --> 00:56:19.019 THE MEETING OF THE TIME THAT WE 1706 00:56:19.019 --> 00:56:20.020 WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS REGULAR 1707 00:56:20.020 --> 00:56:22.027 THAT I HAD REFERRED TO EARLIER 1708 00:56:22.027 --> 00:56:23.028 THAT HE TYPICALLY HAD WITH THE 1709 00:56:23.028 --> 00:56:24.001 TWO INDIVIDUALS FOR THE WEEKS 1710 00:56:24.001 --> 00:56:27.027 WHERE IT OCCURRED THAT THAT 1711 00:56:27.027 --> 00:56:27.008 MIGHT HAVE OCCURRED THAT 1712 00:56:27.008 --> 00:56:29.013 INFORMATION WAS NOT THERE. SO 1713 00:56:29.013 --> 00:56:32.008 IN TERMS OF RESOLVING, YOU 1714 00:56:32.008 --> 00:56:34.012 KNOW, WHAT WAS THIS CLEAR 1715 00:56:34.012 --> 00:56:35.015 CONFLICT BETWEEN THERE 1716 00:56:35.015 --> 00:56:36.000 OPERATION, WE WERE PERSUADED BY 1717 00:56:36.000 --> 00:56:39.015 THE FACT THAT THERE WERE CLEAR 1718 00:56:39.015 --> 00:56:40.023 RECOLLECTIONS BY AT LEAST TWO 1719 00:56:40.023 --> 00:56:41.021 OF THE INDIVIDUALS WHO WERE 1720 00:56:41.021 --> 00:56:42.024 INVOLVED IN THIS PARTICULAR 1721 00:56:42.024 --> 00:56:43.013 PROCESS AND THAT LED US TO 1722 00:56:43.013 --> 00:56:45.028 CONCLUDE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE 1723 00:56:45.028 --> 00:56:46.023 BELIEVE THAT THE WEIGHT OF THE 1724 00:56:46.023 --> 00:56:47.027 EVIDENCE INDICATED AT THAT 1725 00:56:47.027 --> 00:56:48.025 MEETING HAD IN FACT OCCURRED 1726 00:56:48.025 --> 00:56:50.019 AND GIVEN THE CORROBORATION 1727 00:56:50.019 --> 00:56:53.000 WHICH WAS AVAILABLE AS BETWEEN 1728 00:56:53.000 --> 00:56:56.020 THE STATEMENTS OF MR. O'BRIEN 1729 00:56:56.020 --> 00:56:57.015 AND MS.. GRISHIN, YOU KNOW, 1730 00:56:57.015 --> 00:56:58.007 THAT ALSO PERSUADED US, YOU 1731 00:56:58.007 --> 00:57:00.000 KNOW, WITH RESPECT TO OUR 1732 00:57:00.000 --> 00:57:01.021 CONCLUSION AS RESPECTS THE 1733 00:57:01.021 --> 00:57:03.008 ACTUAL SUBJECT OR THE CONTENT 1734 00:57:03.008 --> 00:57:06.009 OR THE SUBJECT MATTER OF THAT 1735 00:57:06.009 --> 00:57:07.009 PARTICULAR MEETING. NOW >> 1736 00:57:07.009 --> 00:57:09.010 THERE WERE A COUPLE OF OTHER 1737 00:57:09.010 --> 00:57:10.021 THINGS THAT DURING THE COURSE 1738 00:57:10.021 --> 00:57:11.022 OF OUR INVESTIGATION ALSO 1739 00:57:11.022 --> 00:57:13.001 CONTRIBUTED TO OUR CONCLUSION 1740 00:57:13.001 --> 00:57:15.002 AS WELL TOO. AND THERE ARE ALSO 1741 00:57:15.002 --> 00:57:17.014 EVENTS WHICH OCCUR ABOUT THAT 1742 00:57:17.014 --> 00:57:18.003 SAME TIME THE NEXT THING THAT 1743 00:57:18.003 --> 00:57:20.013 OCCURRED WAS AFTER APRIL SIX 1744 00:57:20.013 --> 00:57:22.001 THIS EMAIL FROM BRIAN DOYLE >> 1745 00:57:22.001 --> 00:57:24.021 IS ON SEVENTH THERE WAS AN 1746 00:57:24.021 --> 00:57:25.015 EMAIL WHICH WAS SENT BY VON 1747 00:57:25.015 --> 00:57:27.010 ERICH RICH AND THIS EMAIL WE 1748 00:57:27.010 --> 00:57:32.010 OFTTIMES REFER TO AS THE 1749 00:57:32.010 --> 00:57:33.019 VERIZON EMAIL BUT IT WAS EMAIL 1750 00:57:33.019 --> 00:57:35.025 WHICH WAS BEING FORWARDED BY 1751 00:57:35.025 --> 00:57:36.023 VON ERICH RICH TO YOU KNOW FOR 1752 00:57:36.023 --> 00:57:38.013 INDIVIDUALS IN THE CITY AND IT 1753 00:57:38.013 --> 00:57:41.002 ATTACHED AN EMAIL THAT SHE HAD 1754 00:57:41.002 --> 00:57:44.029 RECEIVED FROM A CONTACT OF HERS 1755 00:57:44.029 --> 00:57:45.026 AT CISCO AND THE CONTACT 1756 00:57:45.026 --> 00:57:47.019 OF HERS AT CISCO WAS RELATING 1757 00:57:47.019 --> 00:57:49.017 TO HER THAT AN ISSUE REGARDING 1758 00:57:49.017 --> 00:57:51.017 VERIZON HAD BEEN RESOLVED AND 1759 00:57:51.017 --> 00:57:53.014 SHE WAS FOLLOWING >> THIS ON TO 1760 00:57:53.014 --> 00:57:55.008 AND THIS EMAIL WENT TO RICK IT 1761 00:57:55.008 --> 00:57:57.026 WENT CITY ATTORNEY RICK DOYLE 1762 00:57:57.026 --> 00:57:58.017 >> IT WENT TO CITY MANAGER DELL 1763 00:57:58.017 --> 00:58:00.018 BOARD STORE FOR GENERAL 1764 00:58:00.018 --> 00:58:01.012 SERVICES DIRECTOR JOSE OBREGON 1765 00:58:01.012 --> 00:58:03.010 >> AND ALSO DEPUTY CITY MANAGER 1766 00:58:03.010 --> 00:58:05.020 ED CHICAGO AND IT WAS THE FBI I 1767 00:58:05.020 --> 00:58:08.017 EMAIL WHAT WE >> LEARNED WITH 1768 00:58:08.017 --> 00:58:12.025 THAT HAPPENED WITH RESPECT TO 1769 00:58:12.025 --> 00:58:13.029 THAT PARTICULAR EMAIL WE 1770 00:58:13.029 --> 00:58:14.000 THOUGHT WAS INSTRUCTIVE IN 1771 00:58:14.000 --> 00:58:16.010 TERMS OF TRYING TO EVALUATE 1772 00:58:16.010 --> 00:58:17.017 WHAT MIGHT OR MIGHT NOT HAVE 1773 00:58:17.017 --> 00:58:18.016 HAPPENED WITH RESPECT TO A 1774 00:58:18.016 --> 00:58:19.026 DISCUSSION OF THIS APRIL SIX 1775 00:58:19.026 --> 00:58:20.025 EMAIL >> OUR INTERVIEWS WITH 1776 00:58:20.025 --> 00:58:23.027 THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE 1777 00:58:23.027 --> 00:58:24.006 INDICATED AND I SHOULD MENTION 1778 00:58:24.006 --> 00:58:26.017 BRIAN DOYLE WAS ALSO KIND OF ON 1779 00:58:26.017 --> 00:58:27.020 THE EMAIL AS WELL TO BRIAN 1780 00:58:27.020 --> 00:58:29.024 DOYLE AND UPON RECEIPT OF THE 1781 00:58:29.024 --> 00:58:32.009 EMAIL THE CITY ATTORNEY RICK 1782 00:58:32.009 --> 00:58:34.029 DOYLE SENT AN EMAIL MESSAGE TO 1783 00:58:34.029 --> 00:58:35.025 BRIAN DOYLE ESSENTIALLY SAYING 1784 00:58:35.025 --> 00:58:37.003 WHY ARE WE TALKING TO CISCO? 1785 00:58:37.003 --> 00:58:40.011 AND IN THE CITY ATTORNEY'S 1786 00:58:40.011 --> 00:58:41.008 OFFICE A RESPONSE OR AN EMAIL 1787 00:58:41.008 --> 00:58:44.019 WAS DRAFTED IT TO BE 1788 00:58:44.019 --> 00:58:45.028 COMMUNICATED TO MR. RICH 1789 00:58:45.028 --> 00:58:46.018 REGARDING THE ISSUES THAT MIGHT 1790 00:58:46.018 --> 00:58:48.022 ARISE IF IN FACT THAT WE'RE 1791 00:58:48.022 --> 00:58:49.007 ACTUALLY COMMUNICATIONS GOING 1792 00:58:49.007 --> 00:58:51.001 WITH CISCO. MR. DOYLE >> 1793 00:58:51.001 --> 00:58:54.001 GOT A COPY OF THAT DRAFT >> 1794 00:58:54.001 --> 00:58:56.005 EMAIL FROM BRIAN DOYLE AND BILL 1795 00:58:56.005 --> 00:58:58.011 HUGHES WHO HAD DRAFTED IT FOR 1796 00:58:58.011 --> 00:58:59.005 HIM HE DID NOT SEND THE EMAIL 1797 00:58:59.005 --> 00:59:01.020 BUT HE CALLED VANDEGRIFT TO 1798 00:59:01.020 --> 00:59:02.028 INQUIRE OF HER ABOUT THE ISSUE 1799 00:59:02.028 --> 00:59:05.017 OF COMMUNICATIONS WITH CISCO. 1800 00:59:05.017 --> 00:59:08.009 MR. DOYLE ALSO HAD A COPY 1801 00:59:08.009 --> 00:59:10.014 OF THE APRIL SIX EMAIL FROM 1802 00:59:10.014 --> 00:59:11.023 BRIAN DOYLE AND IN THE COURSE 1803 00:59:11.023 --> 00:59:13.025 OF THIS CONVERSATION WITH MR. 1804 00:59:13.025 --> 00:59:14.013 GRETCH HE ALSO ADDRESSED THE 1805 00:59:14.013 --> 00:59:16.015 ISSUE OF STANDARDIZATION OR 1806 00:59:16.015 --> 00:59:19.020 PROPRIETARY STANDARDS IN THE 1807 00:59:19.020 --> 00:59:20.006 RFP WHICH WAS ALSO ONE OF THE 1808 00:59:20.006 --> 00:59:22.011 ISSUES THAT HAD BEEN RAISED IN 1809 00:59:22.011 --> 00:59:23.011 BRIAN DOYLE'S APRIL 6TH EMAIL. 1810 00:59:23.011 --> 00:59:25.005 AND SO >> THERE WERE TWO 1811 00:59:25.005 --> 00:59:26.010 SUBJECTS OF THE CONVERSATION 1812 00:59:26.010 --> 00:59:27.010 THAT HE HAD WITH >> MR. RICH 1813 00:59:27.010 --> 00:59:29.000 JOSE OBREGON >> UPON RECEIPT 1814 00:59:29.000 --> 00:59:31.003 OF THE APRIL 7TH EMAIL. THE 1815 00:59:31.003 --> 00:59:32.014 EVIDENCE ALSO SHOWS THAT HE 1816 00:59:32.014 --> 00:59:33.017 CONTACTED MR. GRIFFIN TO 1817 00:59:33.017 --> 00:59:34.003 DETERMINE WHY >> THERE WAS THIS 1818 00:59:34.003 --> 00:59:37.027 COMMUNICATION GOING ON BETWEEN 1819 00:59:37.027 --> 00:59:38.003 CISCO OR WHAT APPEARED TO BE 1820 00:59:38.003 --> 00:59:40.003 COMMUNICATE GOING ON WITH CISCO 1821 00:59:40.003 --> 00:59:42.026 THAT WAS REFLECTED IN THIS 1822 00:59:42.026 --> 00:59:43.018 EMAIL. >> THE RESPONSE DIRECT 1823 00:59:43.018 --> 00:59:46.003 OIL IN THE JOSE OBREGON BY 1824 00:59:46.003 --> 00:59:48.001 MISTAKE WHICH WE BELIEVE THE 1825 00:59:48.001 --> 00:59:49.020 EVIDENCE SHOWS IS THAT SHE TOLD 1826 00:59:49.020 --> 00:59:50.008 HIM THAT THERE WAS NO 1827 00:59:50.008 --> 00:59:51.015 COMMUNICATION GOING ON WITH 1828 00:59:51.015 --> 00:59:52.029 CISCO AT THAT TIME. THE >> 1829 00:59:52.029 --> 00:59:55.000 OTHER TWO RECIPIENTS OF THE 1830 00:59:55.000 --> 00:59:57.020 EMAIL THE CITY MANAGER DELL 1831 00:59:57.020 --> 00:59:58.001 BORG STAFF IN THE DEPUTY CITY 1832 00:59:58.001 --> 01:00:00.015 MANAGER AT CHICAGO NEITHER 1833 01:00:00.015 --> 01:00:01.015 OF THEM HAD A SPECIFIC 1834 01:00:01.015 --> 01:00:02.023 RECOLLECTION OF HAVING SEEN 1835 01:00:02.023 --> 01:00:03.027 THAT EMAIL >> WHEN CAME IN OR 1836 01:00:03.027 --> 01:00:04.014 HAVING READ IT WHEN IT CAME IN 1837 01:00:04.014 --> 01:00:06.015 AND SO THERE WAS NOTHING THAT 1838 01:00:06.015 --> 01:00:07.026 WE CAN REPORT WITH RESPECT TO 1839 01:00:07.026 --> 01:00:08.015 ANY ACTIONS TAKEN BY EITHER 1840 01:00:08.015 --> 01:00:10.002 OF THEM WITH RESPECT TO RECEIPT 1841 01:00:10.002 --> 01:00:12.027 OF THAT PARTICULAR EMAIL THE 1842 01:00:12.027 --> 01:00:17.027 COMBINATION OF THOSE EVENTS 1843 01:00:17.027 --> 01:00:19.021 OKAY THE DISCUSSION BETWEEN 1844 01:00:19.021 --> 01:00:22.027 JOSE OBREGON GIVEN ERIC RICH IN 1845 01:00:22.027 --> 01:00:25.014 INTRACOM IS REPORTED BY GRIFFIN 1846 01:00:25.014 --> 01:00:27.009 AND OVER ON THE RECEIPT OF THIS 1847 01:00:27.009 --> 01:00:29.007 APRIL 7TH EMAIL WHICH YOU KNOW 1848 01:00:29.007 --> 01:00:31.017 FOR WHICH THERE WAS NO RESPONSE 1849 01:00:31.017 --> 01:00:33.003 BY A DEPUTY CITY MANAGER IN 1850 01:00:33.003 --> 01:00:35.018 CHICAGO AND THE CONTENTS 1851 01:00:35.018 --> 01:00:38.024 OF WHAT WAS SET FORTH IN THAT 1852 01:00:38.024 --> 01:00:39.026 EMAIL CAUSED US TO BE CONCERNED 1853 01:00:39.026 --> 01:00:41.025 ABOUT THE FACT THAT WHEN YOU 1854 01:00:41.025 --> 01:00:42.025 LOOKED AT THE THAT THE 1855 01:00:42.025 --> 01:00:44.026 INDIVIDUALS WHO HAD INFORMATION 1856 01:00:44.026 --> 01:00:46.004 THAT RELATED TO THE CONCERNS 1857 01:00:46.004 --> 01:00:48.021 RAISED BY >> BRIAN DOYLE AND 1858 01:00:48.021 --> 01:00:49.021 THOSE WERE RICK DOYLE, JOSE 1859 01:00:49.021 --> 01:00:51.021 OBREGON IN PARTICULAR WE COULD 1860 01:00:51.021 --> 01:00:55.018 FIND RESPONSES, ACTIONS THAT 1861 01:00:55.018 --> 01:00:57.022 WERE TAKEN WITH RESPECT TO 1862 01:00:57.022 --> 01:00:58.000 THAT. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE 1863 01:00:58.000 --> 01:01:01.009 CONCERNS RAISED BY BRIAN DOYLE, 1864 01:01:01.009 --> 01:01:02.001 YOU COULD SEE A RESPONSE BY 1865 01:01:02.001 --> 01:01:04.029 VANDEGRIFT WITH RESPECT TO WHAT 1866 01:01:04.029 --> 01:01:05.020 THOSE ISSUES THAT HE WAS 1867 01:01:05.020 --> 01:01:06.015 RAISING. THE ONLY PLACE THAT WE 1868 01:01:06.015 --> 01:01:08.021 DID NOT FIND ANY SORT 1869 01:01:08.021 --> 01:01:09.025 OF RESPONSE OR ACTIVITY WAS 1870 01:01:09.025 --> 01:01:10.014 WITH THE CITY MANAGER'S AND WE 1871 01:01:10.014 --> 01:01:12.003 WERE CONCERNED BY THE FACT THAT 1872 01:01:12.003 --> 01:01:14.022 IN BOTH INSTANCES THE RESPONSE 1873 01:01:14.022 --> 01:01:15.025 WAS WE DID NOT GET THIS 1874 01:01:15.025 --> 01:01:16.024 INFORMATION OR I DON'T REMEMBER 1875 01:01:16.024 --> 01:01:18.028 THAT PARTICULAR ISSUE AND THAT 1876 01:01:18.028 --> 01:01:20.003 TIPPED THE SCALES WHEN WE WERE 1877 01:01:20.003 --> 01:01:22.000 TRYING TO EVALUATE THIS 1878 01:01:22.000 --> 01:01:24.005 PARTICULAR APRIL SIX MEETING 1879 01:01:24.005 --> 01:01:25.020 BETWEEN DEPUTY CITY MANAGER 1880 01:01:25.020 --> 01:01:26.002 SHIKATA AND JOSE OBREGON IN 1881 01:01:26.002 --> 01:01:30.008 VANDERGRIFT THAT TIPPED THE 1882 01:01:30.008 --> 01:01:31.020 SCALES IN TERMS OF OUR 1883 01:01:31.020 --> 01:01:32.021 EVALUATION AND HOW WE SHOULD 1884 01:01:32.021 --> 01:01:34.022 RESOLVE THE CREDIBILITY 1885 01:01:34.022 --> 01:01:35.005 CREDIBILITY WITH RESPECT TO 1886 01:01:35.005 --> 01:01:37.016 THIS. BUT YOU KNOW, I REITERATE 1887 01:01:37.016 --> 01:01:39.027 THAT THE EVIDENCE ON THAT POINT 1888 01:01:39.027 --> 01:01:40.017 IS DISPUTED. YOU KNOW, THERE IS 1889 01:01:40.017 --> 01:01:43.015 CERTAINLY NO YOU KNOW, I SPOKE 1890 01:01:43.015 --> 01:01:45.002 SEVERAL TIMES WITH MR. SHIKATA 1891 01:01:45.002 --> 01:01:47.010 ABOUT HIS RECOLLECTION OF THE 1892 01:01:47.010 --> 01:01:48.019 EVENTS, WHETHER THERE WAS ANY 1893 01:01:48.019 --> 01:01:49.007 POSSIBILITY THAT HE MIGHT THAT 1894 01:01:49.007 --> 01:01:51.007 THERE WAS ANY MEETING WHICH 1895 01:01:51.007 --> 01:01:52.001 MIGHT HAVE OCCURRED AND HE 1896 01:01:52.001 --> 01:01:54.005 REALLY DID NOT RECALL THAT 1897 01:01:54.005 --> 01:01:55.029 SOMETHING LIKE THAT HAD 1898 01:01:55.029 --> 01:01:55.023 HAPPENED. HOWEVER, IN TERMS 1899 01:01:55.023 --> 01:01:57.021 OF TRYING TO COME TO THE BEST 1900 01:01:57.021 --> 01:01:58.029 CONCLUSION THAT WE COULD, 1901 01:01:58.029 --> 01:01:59.028 THAT'S THE ONE THAT WE HAVE SET 1902 01:01:59.028 --> 01:02:00.023 FORTH IN OUR REPORT BASED UPON 1903 01:02:00.023 --> 01:02:02.029 ALL OF THAT EVIDENCE. THE OTHER 1904 01:02:02.029 --> 01:02:04.021 ISSUE FROM A EVIDENTIARY 1905 01:02:04.021 --> 01:02:06.020 STANDPOINT WHICH WAS NEW THAT 1906 01:02:06.020 --> 01:02:08.013 WE CAME UPON WAS A MEETING 1907 01:02:08.013 --> 01:02:10.012 WHICH OCCURRED ON MAY 14TH AND 1908 01:02:10.012 --> 01:02:12.006 THIS WAS A MEETING WHICH 1909 01:02:12.006 --> 01:02:13.022 INVOLVED THE CITY MANAGER DEL 1910 01:02:13.022 --> 01:02:14.019 BOREK STAFF >> VANDEGRIFT THE 1911 01:02:14.019 --> 01:02:18.029 CHIEF INFORMATION OFFICER AND 1912 01:02:18.029 --> 01:02:20.007 SOME OTHER EMPLOYEES WHO I'LL 1913 01:02:20.007 --> 01:02:22.010 GET BACK TO IN A MINUTE. BUT 1914 01:02:22.010 --> 01:02:23.017 THE KEY THING IS THAT THIS WAS 1915 01:02:23.017 --> 01:02:24.026 A MEETING BETWEEN THOSE 1916 01:02:24.026 --> 01:02:26.020 INDIVIDUALS AND KAMI HARPER WHO 1917 01:02:26.020 --> 01:02:29.027 WAS A MAJOR ACCOUNT MANAGER 1918 01:02:29.027 --> 01:02:30.012 FROM CISCO. MS. HARPER WAS THE 1919 01:02:30.012 --> 01:02:33.005 CEO'S PRIMARY CONTACT CISCO AND 1920 01:02:33.005 --> 01:02:37.027 >> ACCOMPANYING MS. HARPER TO 1921 01:02:37.027 --> 01:02:38.006 THIS MEETING WAS DOUG DERRYLIN 1922 01:02:38.006 --> 01:02:40.029 WHO IS THE SENIOR VICE PRESENT 1923 01:02:40.029 --> 01:02:41.004 FOR U.S. SALES FOR CISCO 1924 01:02:41.004 --> 01:02:44.006 SYSTEMS. ALL THE EVIDENCE FOR 1925 01:02:44.006 --> 01:02:48.008 THIS MEETING MAKES CLEAR THAT 1926 01:02:48.008 --> 01:02:50.026 THE >> PURPOSE OF THIS MEETING 1927 01:02:50.026 --> 01:02:51.005 WAS TO ESTABLISH SOME SORT 1928 01:02:51.005 --> 01:02:54.002 OF EXECUTIVE LEVEL LIAISON, IF 1929 01:02:54.002 --> 01:02:56.016 YOU WILL, BETWEEN THE CITY 1930 01:02:56.016 --> 01:02:57.020 MANAGER AND DOUG DONLIN. OKAY. 1931 01:02:57.020 --> 01:02:59.000 THE MEETING WAS REQUESTED BACK 1932 01:02:59.000 --> 01:03:01.009 IN MID-MARCH OF THIS YEAR. IT 1933 01:03:01.009 --> 01:03:03.012 WAS REQUESTED BY CISCO. IT WAS 1934 01:03:03.012 --> 01:03:05.002 SCHEDULED FOR >> LATER IN MAY 1935 01:03:05.002 --> 01:03:08.015 AT THE TIME ON MAY 14TH WHEN IT 1936 01:03:08.015 --> 01:03:09.005 ACTUALLY OCCURRED AND WE 1937 01:03:09.005 --> 01:03:11.007 UNDERSTAND IT WAS SCHEDULED 1938 01:03:11.007 --> 01:03:12.024 AT THAT POINT BASED UPON MR. 1939 01:03:12.024 --> 01:03:13.011 GENERAL AND SCHEDULED WE 1940 01:03:13.011 --> 01:03:17.018 INTERVIEWED MR. DANIELSON AND. 1941 01:03:17.018 --> 01:03:19.002 HIS RECOLLECTION OF THE MEETING 1942 01:03:19.002 --> 01:03:21.025 IS THAT THERE WERE STATEMENTS 1943 01:03:21.025 --> 01:03:22.006 MADE BY THE CITY MANAGER WHICH 1944 01:03:22.006 --> 01:03:24.012 REFERRED SPECIFICALLY TO THE 1945 01:03:24.012 --> 01:03:25.024 RFP WHICH REFERRED SPECIFICALLY 1946 01:03:25.024 --> 01:03:27.001 TO THE SUPPORT >> THAT HAD BEEN 1947 01:03:27.001 --> 01:03:29.026 PROVIDED BY CISCO >> TO THE 1948 01:03:29.026 --> 01:03:31.023 CITY IN WORKING ON THE RFP UP 1949 01:03:31.023 --> 01:03:34.027 TO THAT POINT AND THAT MR. 1950 01:03:34.027 --> 01:03:36.025 BERGDORF'S COMMENTS ESSENTIALLY 1951 01:03:36.025 --> 01:03:39.011 WERE OF THE WE'RE ASKING CISCO 1952 01:03:39.011 --> 01:03:43.029 TO CONTINUE ITS SUPPORT BECAUSE 1953 01:03:43.029 --> 01:03:45.003 THEY WERE NOW MOVING FORWARD IN 1954 01:03:45.003 --> 01:03:47.022 THE RFP PROCESS. THEY WERE UP 1955 01:03:47.022 --> 01:03:48.015 AGAINST A TIGHT TIMELINE AND IT 1956 01:03:48.015 --> 01:03:50.019 WAS IMPORTANT THAT THERE NOT BE 1957 01:03:50.019 --> 01:03:51.024 ANY DELAYS IN THE PROJECT FROM 1958 01:03:51.024 --> 01:03:52.003 THIS POINT GOING FORWARD. 1959 01:03:52.003 --> 01:03:54.011 THAT'S THE RECOLLECTION OF MR. 1960 01:03:54.011 --> 01:03:55.005 DOWLING CONCERNING WHAT WAS 1961 01:03:55.005 --> 01:03:57.024 DISCUSSED AT THIS MEETING AND 1962 01:03:57.024 --> 01:03:58.012 AGAIN MR. DONLIN DID NOT SAY 1963 01:03:58.012 --> 01:04:00.018 THAT THIS MEETING WAS CALLED 1964 01:04:00.018 --> 01:04:01.019 FOR THE PURPOSE OF HAVING A 1965 01:04:01.019 --> 01:04:02.000 DISCUSSION ABOUT THE RFP AND I 1966 01:04:02.000 --> 01:04:06.014 YOU KNOW, PROBABLY DID NOT DO 1967 01:04:06.014 --> 01:04:07.014 ENOUGH IN TERMS OF SETTING OUT 1968 01:04:07.014 --> 01:04:09.016 IN THE REPORT, YOU KNOW, THE 1969 01:04:09.016 --> 01:04:11.014 ADDITIONAL INFORMATION OR 1970 01:04:11.014 --> 01:04:12.008 BACKGROUND THAT WE WERE 1971 01:04:12.008 --> 01:04:13.000 PROVIDED BY THE CITY MANAGER. 1972 01:04:13.000 --> 01:04:15.024 BUT YOU KNOW YOU KNOW, I JUST 1973 01:04:15.024 --> 01:04:16.020 WANT TO MAKE CLEAR THAT, YOU 1974 01:04:16.020 --> 01:04:17.027 KNOW, THERE IS NO CONCLUSION 1975 01:04:17.027 --> 01:04:18.012 THAT STRONG NO EVIDENCE WHICH 1976 01:04:18.012 --> 01:04:20.013 WOULD SUGGEST THEY WERE GETTING 1977 01:04:20.013 --> 01:04:21.018 TOGETHER FOR THE SPECIFIC 1978 01:04:21.018 --> 01:04:22.005 PURPOSE OF DISCUSSING THE RFP. 1979 01:04:22.005 --> 01:04:25.002 BUT WE DO BELIEVE THAT THE 1980 01:04:25.002 --> 01:04:26.005 EVIDENCE SHOWS THAT THERE WAS A 1981 01:04:26.005 --> 01:04:27.019 DISCUSSION OF ISSUES RELATED TO 1982 01:04:27.019 --> 01:04:28.002 THE RFP DURING THE COURSE 1983 01:04:28.002 --> 01:04:30.026 OF THAT MEETING. MR. DOWLING'S 1984 01:04:30.026 --> 01:04:31.015 >> COMMENTS REGARDING RFP 1985 01:04:31.015 --> 01:04:33.024 COMING UP WAS CORROBORATED BY 1986 01:04:33.024 --> 01:04:35.009 TWO >> SEPARATE TWO OTHER 1987 01:04:35.009 --> 01:04:37.021 PARTICIPANTS IN THAT MEETING 1988 01:04:37.021 --> 01:04:38.028 RODRICK RICH, WHO IS THE CHIEF 1989 01:04:38.028 --> 01:04:39.015 INFORMATION OFFICER, RECALLS 1990 01:04:39.015 --> 01:04:42.020 THAT THE SUBJECT OF THE RFP >> 1991 01:04:42.020 --> 01:04:43.029 CAME UP AND KAMI HARPER, WHO IS 1992 01:04:43.029 --> 01:04:45.006 THE MAJOR ACCOUNT MANAGER FROM 1993 01:04:45.006 --> 01:04:47.000 CISCO RECORDS IS THE SUBJECT 1994 01:04:47.000 --> 01:04:49.018 OF THE RFP CAME OUT. IT WASN'T 1995 01:04:49.018 --> 01:04:50.011 >> A LONG DISCUSSION. THERE WAS 1996 01:04:50.011 --> 01:04:52.018 NO DETAILED DISCUSSION. THERE 1997 01:04:52.018 --> 01:04:53.014 WAS NO DISCUSSION OF THE 1998 01:04:53.014 --> 01:04:54.016 VENDORS WHO WERE INVOLVED IN 1999 01:04:54.016 --> 01:04:55.019 THE PROJECT. THERE WAS NO 2000 01:04:55.019 --> 01:04:56.017 DISCUSSION OF ANY OF THE 2001 01:04:56.017 --> 01:04:57.012 SPECIFICS OF THE RFP OR THE 2002 01:04:57.012 --> 01:04:59.002 SPECIFICS OF THE RESPONSE THE 2003 01:04:59.002 --> 01:05:01.011 RFP. BUT THERE WAS THIS 2004 01:05:01.011 --> 01:05:02.015 DISCUSSION AT LEAST GENERALLY 2005 01:05:02.015 --> 01:05:03.014 ABOUT THE RFP, THE OTHER 2006 01:05:03.014 --> 01:05:05.003 PARTICIPANTS IN THE MEETING 2007 01:05:05.003 --> 01:05:07.020 NONE OF THEM HAVE A RECALL AND 2008 01:05:07.020 --> 01:05:09.002 LET ME SAY THAT THERE ARE A 2009 01:05:09.002 --> 01:05:12.004 GROUP OF PARTICIPANTS IN THE 2010 01:05:12.004 --> 01:05:13.009 MEETING AND THOSE INCLUDED THE 2011 01:05:13.009 --> 01:05:15.023 OFFICE OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT 2012 01:05:15.023 --> 01:05:16.019 DIRECTOR, HIS DEPUTY WHO WAS 2013 01:05:16.019 --> 01:05:18.028 ALSO PRESENT IN THE MEETING AND 2014 01:05:18.028 --> 01:05:19.025 THEN THE TRANSPORTATION >> 2015 01:05:19.025 --> 01:05:23.004 DEPARTMENT CHAIR JIM HILMER 2016 01:05:23.004 --> 01:05:25.000 WERE ALSO PRESENT IN THE 2017 01:05:25.000 --> 01:05:26.009 MEETING AND THEY DID NOT HAVE A 2018 01:05:26.009 --> 01:05:27.023 SPECIFIC RECOLLECTION 2019 01:05:27.023 --> 01:05:28.019 OF ANYTHING >> REGARDING THE 2020 01:05:28.019 --> 01:05:29.023 RFP COMING UP IN THE MEETING. 2021 01:05:29.023 --> 01:05:31.001 THEY DIDN'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT IN 2022 01:05:31.001 --> 01:05:33.025 TERMS OF MEMORY WITH REGARD TO 2023 01:05:33.025 --> 01:05:35.017 THE SPECIFICS OF THE 2024 01:05:35.017 --> 01:05:36.002 CONVERSATION BUT THEY COULDN'T 2025 01:05:36.002 --> 01:05:38.026 SAY THAT THE RFP HAD COME UP 2026 01:05:38.026 --> 01:05:39.016 DURING THE COURSE OF THAT 2027 01:05:39.016 --> 01:05:40.024 MEETING AND THEY DID NOT RECALL 2028 01:05:40.024 --> 01:05:41.015 IT COMING UP. LIKEWISE, KAY 2029 01:05:41.015 --> 01:05:43.021 WEINER WHO WAS PRESENT AT THAT 2030 01:05:43.021 --> 01:05:44.021 MEETING DID NOT RECALL THE 2031 01:05:44.021 --> 01:05:45.009 SUBJECT OF THE RFP COMING UP 2032 01:05:45.009 --> 01:05:47.002 AND CERTAINLY DO NOT RECALL THE 2033 01:05:47.002 --> 01:05:49.009 RFP COMING UP IN THE MANNER 2034 01:05:49.009 --> 01:05:50.011 THAT HAD BEEN DESCRIBED BY MR. 2035 01:05:50.011 --> 01:05:52.014 DANIEL. AND I >> ALSO SPOKE 2036 01:05:52.014 --> 01:05:54.001 WITH THE CITY MANAGER ABOUT 2037 01:05:54.001 --> 01:05:56.017 THAT PARTICULAR MEETING AND IN 2038 01:05:56.017 --> 01:05:57.015 ADDITION TO PROVIDING THE 2039 01:05:57.015 --> 01:05:58.004 INFORMATION WHICH YOU KNOW, 2040 01:05:58.004 --> 01:06:00.012 DEMONSTRATED THE GENESIS 2041 01:06:00.012 --> 01:06:02.024 OF THAT MEETING AND WHAT THAT 2042 01:06:02.024 --> 01:06:03.001 MEETING WAS DESIGNED TO SPEAK 2043 01:06:03.001 --> 01:06:05.011 ABOUT, HE WAS QUITE ADAMANT IN 2044 01:06:05.011 --> 01:06:06.025 THE FACT THAT THERE WAS NO 2045 01:06:06.025 --> 01:06:07.005 DISCUSSION OF THE RFP DURING 2046 01:06:07.005 --> 01:06:09.016 THE COURSE OF THAT MEETING. 2047 01:06:09.016 --> 01:06:11.010 AGAIN WE WERE PUT TO THE NEED 2048 01:06:11.010 --> 01:06:14.027 TO DRAW A CONCLUSION AS TO 2049 01:06:14.027 --> 01:06:15.005 WHICH VERSION OF THE EVENTS, 2050 01:06:15.005 --> 01:06:18.015 YOU KNOW, APPEARED TO BE MOST 2051 01:06:18.015 --> 01:06:19.007 CREDIBLE UNDER THE 2052 01:06:19.007 --> 01:06:20.023 CIRCUMSTANCES AND THERE WERE A 2053 01:06:20.023 --> 01:06:21.002 COUPLE OF THINGS WHICH WERE 2054 01:06:21.002 --> 01:06:23.008 IMPORTANT TO US IN THIS REGARD. 2055 01:06:23.008 --> 01:06:25.025 NUMBER ONE IS THAT MR. DONLIN 2056 01:06:25.025 --> 01:06:26.010 WAS QUITE CERTAIN AND SPECIFIC 2057 01:06:26.010 --> 01:06:29.029 IN TERMS OF HIS RECOLLECTION >> 2058 01:06:29.029 --> 01:06:30.002 OF WHAT ACTUALLY OCCURRED 2059 01:06:30.002 --> 01:06:32.029 DURING THE COURSE OF THAT 2060 01:06:32.029 --> 01:06:32.002 MEETING. IT'S ALSO WITH MR. 2061 01:06:32.002 --> 01:06:36.017 DEHNER LIND BEING THERE AND 2062 01:06:36.017 --> 01:06:37.000 THOSE TYPES OF STATEMENTS BEING 2063 01:06:37.000 --> 01:06:39.012 MADE. YOU KNOW, HE'S YOU KNOW, 2064 01:06:39.012 --> 01:06:40.012 HIS POSITION IN THE COMPANY IS 2065 01:06:40.012 --> 01:06:42.028 IN THE DIRECT LINE OF KAMI 2066 01:06:42.028 --> 01:06:43.026 HARPER WHO THE CITY WAS WORKING 2067 01:06:43.026 --> 01:06:45.015 WITH IN TERMS OF ITS DESIGN, 2068 01:06:45.015 --> 01:06:49.004 THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE RFP AND 2069 01:06:49.004 --> 01:06:51.010 THE SYSTEM OF THE CONVERGE 2070 01:06:51.010 --> 01:06:52.027 NETWORK. AND SO >> THE IDEA 2071 01:06:52.027 --> 01:06:53.002 OF HIM BEING THERE IN A MEETING 2072 01:06:53.002 --> 01:06:55.005 WHERE THE WERE STATEMENTS MADE 2073 01:06:55.005 --> 01:06:57.015 ABOUT CONTINUING SUPPORT FOR 2074 01:06:57.015 --> 01:06:58.014 CISCO FOR THIS PARTICULAR 2075 01:06:58.014 --> 01:06:59.018 PROJECT THAT WOULD BE 2076 01:06:59.018 --> 01:07:00.012 CONSISTENT WITH THE FACTS IT 2077 01:07:00.012 --> 01:07:02.021 WAS ALSO OUR >> CONCLUSION IT 2078 01:07:02.021 --> 01:07:04.015 WAS MORE LIKELY THAN NOT THAT 2079 01:07:04.015 --> 01:07:06.023 THE SUBJECT HAD TO HAVE COME >> 2080 01:07:06.023 --> 01:07:07.017 UP IN THIS MEETING AT THAT 2081 01:07:07.017 --> 01:07:09.020 PARTICULAR TIME WE IT WAS MAY 2082 01:07:09.020 --> 01:07:11.000 14TH THE RFP WAS IN TO 2083 01:07:11.000 --> 01:07:13.000 EVALUATION PROCESS AND THE IDEA 2084 01:07:13.000 --> 01:07:15.027 THAT MS. HARPER WHOSE ROLE YOU 2085 01:07:15.027 --> 01:07:16.000 KNOW, PRIMARY RESPONSIBILITY 2086 01:07:16.000 --> 01:07:18.001 AT THAT POINT WAS WORKING WITH 2087 01:07:18.001 --> 01:07:19.027 LOGIC RICH ON THE C AN RFP THAT 2088 01:07:19.027 --> 01:07:21.001 THAT SUBJECT WOULD NOT HAVE 2089 01:07:21.001 --> 01:07:23.018 COME UP IN SOME FASHION JUST 2090 01:07:23.018 --> 01:07:24.027 SEEM IMPLAUSIBLE TO US UNDER 2091 01:07:24.027 --> 01:07:25.005 THE CIRCUMSTANCE. WE >> DID NOT 2092 01:07:25.005 --> 01:07:28.000 DETERMINE THAT THERE WAS ANY 2093 01:07:28.000 --> 01:07:29.003 DISCUSSION WHICH INTERFERED 2094 01:07:29.003 --> 01:07:31.015 WITH THE EVALUATION PROCESS 2095 01:07:31.015 --> 01:07:32.017 WHICH WAS ONGOING AT THAT 2096 01:07:32.017 --> 01:07:33.027 PARTICULAR TIME. WE DID NOT 2097 01:07:33.027 --> 01:07:34.022 DETERMINE THAT THERE WAS ANY 2098 01:07:34.022 --> 01:07:35.016 DISCUSSION WHICH CREATE WHICH 2099 01:07:35.016 --> 01:07:37.029 PROPOSED A SPECIFIC CONFLICT 2100 01:07:37.029 --> 01:07:39.027 OF INTEREST BECAUSE OF ANY 2101 01:07:39.027 --> 01:07:40.026 STATEMENTS THAT WERE MADE BY 2102 01:07:40.026 --> 01:07:42.020 UNISYS REGARDING OR EVALUATION 2103 01:07:42.020 --> 01:07:44.023 THAT WE WERE CONDUCTING AT THAT 2104 01:07:44.023 --> 01:07:45.026 TIME OR IN ANY OTHER WAY, SHAPE 2105 01:07:45.026 --> 01:07:47.029 OR FORM INTERFERED >> WITH 2106 01:07:47.029 --> 01:07:48.020 THAT. HOWEVER, WE DID BELIEVE 2107 01:07:48.020 --> 01:07:50.005 THAT THAT >> IS AN ISSUE WHICH 2108 01:07:50.005 --> 01:07:52.018 SHOULD HAVE BEEN DISCLOSED IN 2109 01:07:52.018 --> 01:07:53.015 THAT IT RELATED TO THE RFP IN 2110 01:07:53.015 --> 01:07:55.022 THAT IN THE COURSE OF THE JUNE 2111 01:07:55.022 --> 01:07:56.019 22ND MEETING THERE WERE 2112 01:07:56.019 --> 01:07:57.013 SPECIFIC CONCERNS RAISED ABOUT 2113 01:07:57.013 --> 01:07:59.014 COMMUNICATIONS WITH CISCO 2114 01:07:59.014 --> 01:08:01.000 INSOFAR AS THEY MIGHT HAVE 2115 01:08:01.000 --> 01:08:03.015 AFFECTED OR BEEN HAVE OCCURRED 2116 01:08:03.015 --> 01:08:05.019 DURING THE COURSE OF THE RFP 2117 01:08:05.019 --> 01:08:06.017 PROCESS AND THAT HAD NOT COME 2118 01:08:06.017 --> 01:08:08.006 OUT BEFORE IT HAD COME OUT IN 2119 01:08:08.006 --> 01:08:10.024 THE TWO PRIOR INVESTIGATIONS. 2120 01:08:10.024 --> 01:08:11.000 IT DID NOT COME OUT AT THE TIME 2121 01:08:11.000 --> 01:08:13.006 THERE WERE SPECIFIC INQUIRIES 2122 01:08:13.006 --> 01:08:14.019 MADE BY THE COUNCIL IN THE 2123 01:08:14.019 --> 01:08:15.003 COURSE OF THE JUNE 22ND MEETING 2124 01:08:15.003 --> 01:08:17.021 AND SO WE FOUND THAT THAT TO BE 2125 01:08:17.021 --> 01:08:18.015 A SIGNIFICANT ISSUE. THE FINAL 2126 01:08:18.015 --> 01:08:22.007 NEW MATTERS THAT UNCOVERED 2127 01:08:22.007 --> 01:08:26.028 DURING THE COURSE OF OUR 2128 01:08:26.028 --> 01:08:26.004 INVESTIGATION ARE MATTERS WHICH 2129 01:08:26.004 --> 01:08:29.025 ARE SET FORTH IN THE 2130 01:08:29.025 --> 01:08:29.001 SUPPLEMENTAL INVESTIGATION 2131 01:08:29.001 --> 01:08:31.007 REPORT WHICH WE FILED THIS 2132 01:08:31.007 --> 01:08:32.017 MORNING AND THESE AGAIN RELATE 2133 01:08:32.017 --> 01:08:34.006 BACK TO THAT APRIL SIX >> EMAIL 2134 01:08:34.006 --> 01:08:36.019 BY BRIAN DOYLE. AND IN >> THE 2135 01:08:36.019 --> 01:08:38.029 COURSE OF OUR INVESTIGATION WE 2136 01:08:38.029 --> 01:08:39.016 LEARNED THAT THERE WERE THREE 2137 01:08:39.016 --> 01:08:41.016 >> INSTANCES >> WHERE THAT 2138 01:08:41.016 --> 01:08:45.027 INFORMATION AND BRIAN DOYLE'S 2139 01:08:45.027 --> 01:08:46.009 EMAIL WAS COMMUNICATED TO THE 2140 01:08:46.009 --> 01:08:48.029 CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE AND IN 2141 01:08:48.029 --> 01:08:49.002 THE COURSE OF THE TWO PRIOR 2142 01:08:49.002 --> 01:08:51.021 INVESTIGATION ENDS AND IN 2143 01:08:51.021 --> 01:08:52.018 WHATEVER DISCUSSION HAD GOING 2144 01:08:52.018 --> 01:08:54.000 ON CONCERNING THE CONVERGED 2145 01:08:54.000 --> 01:08:57.000 NETWORK RFP, THE FACT THAT 2146 01:08:57.000 --> 01:08:59.012 THOSE EMAILS HAD GONE TO THE 2147 01:08:59.012 --> 01:09:00.001 CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE OR BEEN 2148 01:09:00.001 --> 01:09:02.001 RECEIVED BY MEMBERS OF THE CITY 2149 01:09:02.001 --> 01:09:03.014 MANAGER'S OFFICE HAD NOT COME 2150 01:09:03.014 --> 01:09:04.009 OUT IN THE COURSE OF ALL OUR 2151 01:09:04.009 --> 01:09:06.007 INVESTIGATIONS, OUR 2152 01:09:06.007 --> 01:09:07.020 INVESTIGATIONS INCLUDED YOU 2153 01:09:07.020 --> 01:09:08.012 KNOW, THE CITY MANAGER, DEPUTY 2154 01:09:08.012 --> 01:09:10.009 CITY MANAGER TERRY ROBERTS, 2155 01:09:10.009 --> 01:09:12.022 DEPUTY CITY MANAGER KAY WINER, 2156 01:09:12.022 --> 01:09:13.008 DEPUTY CITY MANAGER IN CHICAGO 2157 01:09:13.008 --> 01:09:15.023 UP TO THAT POINT NONE OF THOSE 2158 01:09:15.023 --> 01:09:16.006 IN INTERVIEWS DISCLOSED THE 2159 01:09:16.006 --> 01:09:19.003 FACT THAT IN FACT THERE WAS A 2160 01:09:19.003 --> 01:09:21.020 SPECIFIC AN UNDERSTANDING 2161 01:09:21.020 --> 01:09:22.000 OF THE PRECISE CONCERNS THAT 2162 01:09:22.000 --> 01:09:24.001 BRIAN DOYLE HAD RAISED 2163 01:09:24.001 --> 01:09:25.021 REGARDING THE RFP. THE FIRST 2164 01:09:25.021 --> 01:09:27.004 OF THESE EMAILS WAS AN EMAIL 2165 01:09:27.004 --> 01:09:29.021 WHICH WAS >> SENT BY VISNJIC 2166 01:09:29.021 --> 01:09:31.021 RICH TO MARK LINDER ON MAY 21ST 2167 01:09:31.021 --> 01:09:34.005 OF 2004 AND IN THAT EMAIL SHE 2168 01:09:34.005 --> 01:09:37.015 FORWARDED TO MR. LINDER A COPY 2169 01:09:37.015 --> 01:09:40.021 OF THE BRIAN DOYLE INTIMATE 2170 01:09:40.021 --> 01:09:41.012 EMAIL WHICH IS INTERMEDIATED 2171 01:09:41.012 --> 01:09:43.010 WITH HER OWN COMMENTS OR 2172 01:09:43.010 --> 01:09:45.015 RESPONSES TO THE POINTS OR 2173 01:09:45.015 --> 01:09:47.007 ISSUES THAT ARE BY BRIAN DOYLE 2174 01:09:47.007 --> 01:09:49.008 . WE HAD NOT SEEN ANYTHING LIKE 2175 01:09:49.008 --> 01:09:53.026 BEFORE IN ALL THE DOCUMENTS AND 2176 01:09:53.026 --> 01:09:54.008 RECORDS THAT WE REVIEWED IN THE 2177 01:09:54.008 --> 01:09:56.015 INVESTIGATION. WE CONTACT THE 2178 01:09:56.015 --> 01:09:58.020 CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, THE 2179 01:09:58.020 --> 01:09:59.000 CITY AUDITOR'S OFFICE. THEY HAD 2180 01:09:59.000 --> 01:10:01.000 NOT SEEN THIS EMAIL OR ANY 2181 01:10:01.000 --> 01:10:03.029 VERSION OF THIS EMAIL IN THE 2182 01:10:03.029 --> 01:10:03.022 COURSE OF THEIR INVESTIGATION. 2183 01:10:03.022 --> 01:10:06.018 IT APPEARS THAT THERE WAS A 2184 01:10:06.018 --> 01:10:08.028 COPY OF THIS EMAIL WHICH WAS 2185 01:10:08.028 --> 01:10:09.019 PROVIDED TO ALEX VERSA IN THE 2186 01:10:09.019 --> 01:10:12.018 CONDUCT OF THE PERSONNEL 2187 01:10:12.018 --> 01:10:13.027 INVESTIGATION. BUT THAT 2188 01:10:13.027 --> 01:10:14.000 INFORMATION HAD NOT MADE IT 2189 01:10:14.000 --> 01:10:16.020 FROM INTO THE ACTUAL REPORT 2190 01:10:16.020 --> 01:10:17.003 OF THE PERSONNEL INVESTIGATION 2191 01:10:17.003 --> 01:10:19.004 AND HAD NOT MADE IT BACK OVER 2192 01:10:19.004 --> 01:10:20.008 TO THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, 2193 01:10:20.008 --> 01:10:21.006 THE CITY AUDITOR'S OFFICE. >> 2194 01:10:21.006 --> 01:10:24.003 THE OTHER COPY OF THIS EMAIL 2195 01:10:24.003 --> 01:10:26.002 THAT WE SAW CONCERNED VONDRA 2196 01:10:26.002 --> 01:10:28.010 RIDGE SENDING A COPY OF THIS 2197 01:10:28.010 --> 01:10:29.005 EMAIL TO K WEINER AND THIS 2198 01:10:29.005 --> 01:10:31.024 OCCURRED ON JUNE 30TH OF THIS 2199 01:10:31.024 --> 01:10:32.005 YEAR AND ACTUALLY THIS WAS THE 2200 01:10:32.005 --> 01:10:34.025 FIRST OF THESE EMAILS THAT WE 2201 01:10:34.025 --> 01:10:35.026 DISCOVERED AND IN OUR FOLLOW UP 2202 01:10:35.026 --> 01:10:37.002 INVESTIGATION ON THIS ONE IS 2203 01:10:37.002 --> 01:10:39.003 WHEN WE DISCOVERED THE EARLIER 2204 01:10:39.003 --> 01:10:40.015 ONE TO MARK LINDER >> WE HAD 2205 01:10:40.015 --> 01:10:43.022 INTERVIEWED K WEINER A FEW DAYS 2206 01:10:43.022 --> 01:10:46.013 BEFORE WE ACTUALLY RECEIVE 2207 01:10:46.013 --> 01:10:48.008 EVIDENCE ABOUT THIS AND IN THE 2208 01:10:48.008 --> 01:10:50.014 COURSE OF THAT CONVERSATION AND 2209 01:10:50.014 --> 01:10:51.027 WE BELIEVE THAT WE COVID THE 2210 01:10:51.027 --> 01:10:52.001 OF SUBJECTS WHICH SHOULD HAVE 2211 01:10:52.001 --> 01:10:54.011 BROUGHT THIS TO OUR ATTENTION 2212 01:10:54.011 --> 01:10:55.004 BUT IT WAS NOT DISCLOSED AND 2213 01:10:55.004 --> 01:10:57.024 ULTIMATELY WHEN WE OBTAINED A 2214 01:10:57.024 --> 01:10:58.028 COPY OF IT IT WAS AT THAT POINT 2215 01:10:58.028 --> 01:10:59.012 WE ALSO UNDERSTOOD THAT A COPY 2216 01:10:59.012 --> 01:11:01.014 HAD ALSO BEEN FORWARDED TO 2217 01:11:01.014 --> 01:11:02.015 DEPUTY CITY MANAGER AT CHICAGO 2218 01:11:02.015 --> 01:11:04.018 AND DURING THE COURSE OF ALL 2219 01:11:04.018 --> 01:11:05.005 OF OUR INTERVIEWS AND 2220 01:11:05.005 --> 01:11:06.025 DISCUSSIONS WITH HIM AGAIN THIS 2221 01:11:06.025 --> 01:11:07.029 EMAIL DID NOT COME UP WHEN WE 2222 01:11:07.029 --> 01:11:09.026 FOLLOWED BACK OR WENT BACK, YOU 2223 01:11:09.026 --> 01:11:11.000 KNOW, TO DEPUTY CITY MANAGER >> 2224 01:11:11.000 --> 01:11:13.001 AT JAKARTA TO FOLLOW UP ON 2225 01:11:13.001 --> 01:11:16.003 WHETHER OR NOT HE HAD RECEIVED 2226 01:11:16.003 --> 01:11:17.013 A COPY OF THIS FROM K WEINER. 2227 01:11:17.013 --> 01:11:18.005 IT WAS AT THAT POINT WE LEARNED 2228 01:11:18.005 --> 01:11:20.007 THAT HE HAD ACTUALLY RECEIVED A 2229 01:11:20.007 --> 01:11:21.024 COPY DIRECTLY FROM LOGIC >> 2230 01:11:21.024 --> 01:11:22.027 RICH IN THE COURSE OF THE 2231 01:11:22.027 --> 01:11:25.006 INTERVIEWS WE HAD CONDUCTED AND 2232 01:11:25.006 --> 01:11:27.011 THIS INCLUDED ABOUT A TWO AND A 2233 01:11:27.011 --> 01:11:29.000 HALF HOUR FACE TO FACE 2234 01:11:29.000 --> 01:11:31.013 INTERVIEW ANOTHER SECOND FOLLOW 2235 01:11:31.013 --> 01:11:33.016 UP FACE TO FACE INTERVIEW 2236 01:11:33.016 --> 01:11:34.025 OF ABOUT AN HOUR AND A HALF AND 2237 01:11:34.025 --> 01:11:35.003 SEVERAL LENGTHY TELEPHONE 2238 01:11:35.003 --> 01:11:37.020 CONVERSATIONS ONE OF WHICH 2239 01:11:37.020 --> 01:11:38.004 SPECIFICALLY FOCUSED ON THIS 2240 01:11:38.004 --> 01:11:41.002 APRIL SIX EMAIL WE HAD NEVER 2241 01:11:41.002 --> 01:11:44.023 UNDERSTOOD OR NEVER HEARD THAT 2242 01:11:44.023 --> 01:11:45.024 HE HAD IN FACT RECEIVED 2243 01:11:45.024 --> 01:11:46.019 DIRECTLY FROM MR. RICH A COPY 2244 01:11:46.019 --> 01:11:48.020 OF THAT EMAIL. >> NO ONE ELSE 2245 01:11:48.020 --> 01:11:50.012 HAD HEARD THAT THEY HAD 2246 01:11:50.012 --> 01:11:51.001 RECEIVED A COPY OF THE EMAIL AS 2247 01:11:51.001 --> 01:11:53.004 WELL TOO. >> WE WERE CONCERNED 2248 01:11:53.004 --> 01:11:55.000 BY THIS BECAUSE >> UP TO THAT 2249 01:11:55.000 --> 01:11:57.029 POINT THERE WAS NO 2250 01:11:57.029 --> 01:11:57.003 UNDERSTANDING THAT ANYONE 2251 01:11:57.003 --> 01:11:59.026 WITHIN THE CITY MANAGERS OFFICE 2252 01:11:59.026 --> 01:12:00.029 HAD SEEN THE BRIAN DOYLE EMAIL 2253 01:12:00.029 --> 01:12:02.020 AND THERE WERE SEVERAL 2254 01:12:02.020 --> 01:12:03.003 STATEMENTS WHICH APPEARED TO 2255 01:12:03.003 --> 01:12:05.024 MAKE CLEAR THAT IN FACT THAT 2256 01:12:05.024 --> 01:12:06.002 HAD NOT BEEN SEEN UNTIL MUCH 2257 01:12:06.002 --> 01:12:08.017 LATER ON IN THE PROCESS. YOU 2258 01:12:08.017 --> 01:12:09.013 KNOW ESSENTIALLY AT THE POINT 2259 01:12:09.013 --> 01:12:10.014 IT WAS REPORTED IN THE 2260 01:12:10.014 --> 01:12:11.026 NEWSPAPERS. THE OTHER THING 2261 01:12:11.026 --> 01:12:13.025 WHICH CAUSED US CONCERN IS THAT 2262 01:12:13.025 --> 01:12:17.018 AS PART OF OUR INQUIRY WE ASKED 2263 01:12:17.018 --> 01:12:19.000 WHAT DID YOU DO WITH THIS EMAIL 2264 01:12:19.000 --> 01:12:21.018 WHEN YOU RECEIVED IT? AND THERE 2265 01:12:21.018 --> 01:12:23.011 WAS YOU KNOW THE RESPONSES TO 2266 01:12:23.011 --> 01:12:25.018 THAT FIRST MARC LINDER I HAD 2267 01:12:25.018 --> 01:12:27.018 THIS CONVERSATION WITH VON 2268 01:12:27.018 --> 01:12:28.012 ERICH WHICH DER WHICH HAD 2269 01:12:28.012 --> 01:12:30.009 MENTIONED THAT SHE WAS HAVING 2270 01:12:30.009 --> 01:12:31.004 THESE PROBLEMS INITIALLY WITH 2271 01:12:31.004 --> 01:12:32.029 BRIAN DOYLE AND SHE SAYS KNOW 2272 01:12:32.029 --> 01:12:33.011 HE SENT ME THIS EMAIL AND HE 2273 01:12:33.011 --> 01:12:35.015 REQUESTED TO GET A COPY >> 2274 01:12:35.015 --> 01:12:36.011 OF THE EMAIL FROM HER AND SHE 2275 01:12:36.011 --> 01:12:38.015 SENDS A COPY OF THE EMAIL AND I 2276 01:12:38.015 --> 01:12:40.012 SAID WELL WHAT DID YOU DO WITH 2277 01:12:40.012 --> 01:12:41.009 THAT EMAIL? HE SAID HE DIDN'T 2278 01:12:41.009 --> 01:12:43.010 DO ANYTHING IT HE DIDN'T GIVE 2279 01:12:43.010 --> 01:12:45.019 IT TO TERRY ROBERTS, HE DIDN'T 2280 01:12:45.019 --> 01:12:46.007 GIVE IT TO EDUCATOR, HE DIDN'T 2281 01:12:46.007 --> 01:12:48.004 GIVE IT TO THE CITY MANAGER. HE 2282 01:12:48.004 --> 01:12:50.009 DIDN'T FOLLOW UP WITH BRIAN 2283 01:12:50.009 --> 01:12:51.005 DOYLE. HE DIDN'T FOLLOW IT. 2284 01:12:51.005 --> 01:12:52.012 WE'RE ON TRACK, RICH >> I ASK 2285 01:12:52.012 --> 01:12:55.015 WEINER WHAT DID YOU DO WITH 2286 01:12:55.015 --> 01:12:56.000 THIS EMAIL WHEN YOU GOT IT FROM 2287 01:12:56.000 --> 01:12:58.026 MISS RICH? AND AGAIN SHE SHE 2288 01:12:58.026 --> 01:12:59.024 WENT TO MR. RICH. I HEAR THAT 2289 01:12:59.024 --> 01:13:01.003 THERE'S SOME ISSUE BETWEEN YOU 2290 01:13:01.003 --> 01:13:03.028 AND BRIAN DOYLE AND MARGARET. 2291 01:13:03.028 --> 01:13:05.004 HIS RESPONSE? YES. HE SENT 2292 01:13:05.004 --> 01:13:07.008 ME THIS EMAIL LAYS OUT ALL 2293 01:13:07.008 --> 01:13:08.018 OF THESE THINGS IN CASES. CAN 2294 01:13:08.018 --> 01:13:10.025 YOU SEND ME A COPY? SHE SENT IT 2295 01:13:10.025 --> 01:13:11.009 TO HER. WHAT DID YOU DO WHEN 2296 01:13:11.009 --> 01:13:13.003 YOU RECEIVED THIS? WELL, 2297 01:13:13.003 --> 01:13:17.004 EVENTUALLY SHE TOLD ME THAT SHE 2298 01:13:17.004 --> 01:13:18.021 GAVE A COPY TO TERRY ROBERTS 2299 01:13:18.021 --> 01:13:19.026 AND SHE GAVE IT CONFIDENTIAL. 2300 01:13:19.026 --> 01:13:20.009 GOT IT. DID YOU TALK ABOUT THIS 2301 01:13:20.009 --> 01:13:22.011 WITH THE CITY MANAGER? NO. DID 2302 01:13:22.011 --> 01:13:24.015 YOU GO BACK TO MR. RICH ABOUT 2303 01:13:24.015 --> 01:13:25.029 THIS? NO. DID YOU TALK TO BRIAN 2304 01:13:25.029 --> 01:13:26.020 DOYLE ABOUT THIS? NO. I SPOKE 2305 01:13:26.020 --> 01:13:30.019 WITH THAT CHICAGO EDUCATOR HAD 2306 01:13:30.019 --> 01:13:34.018 RECEIVED >> A COPY OF THIS 2307 01:13:34.018 --> 01:13:35.020 EMAIL FROM MR. RICH AFTER HIS 2308 01:13:35.020 --> 01:13:37.025 INTERVIEW OR AFTER THE 2309 01:13:37.025 --> 01:13:38.027 INTERVIEW A MISCARRIAGE BY THE 2310 01:13:38.027 --> 01:13:39.027 CITY ATTORNEY AND THE CITY 2311 01:13:39.027 --> 01:13:40.011 AUDITOR AND AS THEY WERE COMING 2312 01:13:40.011 --> 01:13:43.003 BACK FROM THAT MEETING HE SAID 2313 01:13:43.003 --> 01:13:45.024 LOOK, ALL THIS TALK ABOUT >> 2314 01:13:45.024 --> 01:13:46.003 STANDARDIZATION, WHAT'S THE 2315 01:13:46.003 --> 01:13:48.014 ISSUE HERE? WHAT'S THE CONCERN 2316 01:13:48.014 --> 01:13:49.027 WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? AND 2317 01:13:49.027 --> 01:13:50.003 SHE SAYS I CAN SEND YOU 2318 01:13:50.003 --> 01:13:52.004 SOMETHING WHICH WILL EXPLAIN 2319 01:13:52.004 --> 01:13:53.019 IT. AND SHE FORWARDED TO HIM A 2320 01:13:53.019 --> 01:13:54.024 COPY OF THIS EMAIL TO BRIAN 2321 01:13:54.024 --> 01:13:55.025 DOYLE WHICH CONTAINED THESE 2322 01:13:55.025 --> 01:13:56.005 INNER LINDA ADDED COMMENTS. NOW 2323 01:13:56.005 --> 01:13:59.008 THEY HAD JUST COME OUT OF AN 2324 01:13:59.008 --> 01:14:00.001 INTERVIEW WITH THE CITY 2325 01:14:00.001 --> 01:14:01.011 ATTORNEY IN THE CITY AUDITOR 2326 01:14:01.011 --> 01:14:03.009 WHERE THEY WERE ASKING 2327 01:14:03.009 --> 01:14:04.023 QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS ISSUE 2328 01:14:04.023 --> 01:14:06.016 OF THE BRIAN LOYALTY OR THE 2329 01:14:06.016 --> 01:14:08.024 APRIL 6TH EMAIL DID NOT COME UP 2330 01:14:08.024 --> 01:14:09.024 SPECIFICALLY IN THE COURSE 2331 01:14:09.024 --> 01:14:10.004 OF THAT AND ALTHOUGH THAT 2332 01:14:10.004 --> 01:14:12.010 QUESTIONING BUT THAT'S WHAT ALL 2333 01:14:12.010 --> 01:14:13.021 THE QUESTIONS WERE ABOUT WELL 2334 01:14:13.021 --> 01:14:15.022 DID YOU GIVE A COPY OF THIS 2335 01:14:15.022 --> 01:14:16.018 EMAIL TO THE INVESTIGATORS? NO. 2336 01:14:16.018 --> 01:14:19.000 DID YOU TALK TO BRIAN DOYLE? 2337 01:14:19.000 --> 01:14:21.005 NO. DID YOU GIVE A COPY TO 2338 01:14:21.005 --> 01:14:23.020 ANYBODY ELSE? THE CITY MANAGER? 2339 01:14:23.020 --> 01:14:24.002 NO. TO TERRY ROBERTS NO. THE >> 2340 01:14:24.002 --> 01:14:30.005 ONE OTHER PERSON WHO SAW THIS 2341 01:14:30.005 --> 01:14:31.027 EMAIL WAS ROBERTS DURING THE 2342 01:14:31.027 --> 01:14:33.000 COURSE >> OF THE INVESTIGATION 2343 01:14:33.000 --> 01:14:35.005 HE HAD OBTAINED A COPY OF THE 2344 01:14:35.005 --> 01:14:36.012 MESSAGE THAT WAS SENT TO K 2345 01:14:36.012 --> 01:14:37.011 WEINER AND THAT'S INITIALLY HOW 2346 01:14:37.011 --> 01:14:39.016 WE SORT OF GOT ON TO THIS PART. 2347 01:14:39.016 --> 01:14:41.019 AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, NO ONE YOU 2348 01:14:41.019 --> 01:14:43.021 KNOW, THE FOUR CITY MANAGERS, 2349 01:14:43.021 --> 01:14:44.007 NONE OF THEM DISCLOSED THE 2350 01:14:44.007 --> 01:14:46.014 INFORMATION TO THE >> CITY 2351 01:14:46.014 --> 01:14:47.004 MANAGER BY AS THEY RELATED TO 2352 01:14:47.004 --> 01:14:50.017 US NONE OF THEM TALKED TO BRIAN 2353 01:14:50.017 --> 01:14:51.015 DOYLE ABOUT THIS ISSUE. NONE 2354 01:14:51.015 --> 01:14:53.010 OF THEM TALKED TO VON DRAKE, 2355 01:14:53.010 --> 01:14:54.005 WHICH IS A FOLLOW TO HAVING 2356 01:14:54.005 --> 01:14:56.010 RECEIVED THE EMAILS FROM HER. 2357 01:14:56.010 --> 01:14:58.014 AND THIS CAUSES CONCERN BECAUSE 2358 01:14:58.014 --> 01:15:00.004 YOU KNOW, IN THE LAST POINT I 2359 01:15:00.004 --> 01:15:02.018 SHOULD MENTION IS THAT I THEN 2360 01:15:02.018 --> 01:15:03.025 WENT BACK TO THE CITY MANAGER 2361 01:15:03.025 --> 01:15:04.002 TO ASK HIM ABOUT THIS 2362 01:15:04.002 --> 01:15:06.021 PARTICULAR ISSUE >> TO FIND OUT 2363 01:15:06.021 --> 01:15:07.026 FROM HIM WHETHER OR NOT ANY 2364 01:15:07.026 --> 01:15:08.019 OF THESE A DEPUTY CITY MANAGERS 2365 01:15:08.019 --> 01:15:10.008 HAD PROVIDED HIM A COPY OF THIS 2366 01:15:10.008 --> 01:15:12.027 EMAIL AND HE SAID NO, HE HAD 2367 01:15:12.027 --> 01:15:13.005 NOT RECEIVED FROM ANY OF THEM 2368 01:15:13.005 --> 01:15:16.029 AND THE ONLY >> THING THAT I 2369 01:15:16.029 --> 01:15:16.024 UNDERSTOOD THAT HAD OCCURRED 2370 01:15:16.024 --> 01:15:17.024 THAT THERE HAD BEEN SOME 2371 01:15:17.024 --> 01:15:18.011 DISCUSSION OF SOME OF THE 2372 01:15:18.011 --> 01:15:20.022 ISSUES THAT HAD COME UP DURING 2373 01:15:20.022 --> 01:15:21.029 THE COURSE OF THE CITY AUDITOR 2374 01:15:21.029 --> 01:15:22.018 CITY ATTORNEY'S INVESTIGATION 2375 01:15:22.018 --> 01:15:24.010 OR INTERVIEW WITH VANDEGRIFT 2376 01:15:24.010 --> 01:15:26.028 BUT THE EMAIL ITSELF NEVER CAME 2377 01:15:26.028 --> 01:15:27.024 UP WERE A COPY OF THE EMAIL WAS 2378 01:15:27.024 --> 01:15:29.012 NEVER PROVIDED TO THE CITY 2379 01:15:29.012 --> 01:15:31.025 MANAGER BY HIS ACCOUNT AND BY 2380 01:15:31.025 --> 01:15:32.026 THE ACCOUNT OF THE DEPUTY CITY 2381 01:15:32.026 --> 01:15:33.003 MANAGER'S. IT'S CLEAR TO US 2382 01:15:33.003 --> 01:15:36.013 THAT THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE 2383 01:15:36.013 --> 01:15:38.026 WAS AWARE OF THIS ISSUE AS 2384 01:15:38.026 --> 01:15:39.014 EARLY AS MAY 21ST 2004 BUT THAT 2385 01:15:39.014 --> 01:15:42.016 FACT HAD NEVER COME UP IN THE 2386 01:15:42.016 --> 01:15:43.011 COURSE OF EITHER OF THE PRIOR 2387 01:15:43.011 --> 01:15:45.013 INVESTIGATIONS. IT SEEMED TO US 2388 01:15:45.013 --> 01:15:48.026 THAT THAT INFORMATION SHOULD 2389 01:15:48.026 --> 01:15:50.001 HAVE BEEN PROVIDED TO THE CITY 2390 01:15:50.001 --> 01:15:52.011 MANAGER BY ONE OF THOSE DEPUTY 2391 01:15:52.011 --> 01:15:54.015 CITY MANAGERS AT SOME POINT IN 2392 01:15:54.015 --> 01:15:55.025 THE PROCESS FOR A COUPLE 2393 01:15:55.025 --> 01:15:56.000 OF REASONS IT WAS QUITE CLEAR 2394 01:15:56.000 --> 01:15:59.009 FROM THE INQUIRIES WHICH BEGAN 2395 01:15:59.009 --> 01:16:00.016 IN JUNE 22ND WHERE THE 2396 01:16:00.016 --> 01:16:01.010 INQUIRIES THE PUBLIC WHICH 2397 01:16:01.010 --> 01:16:03.019 BEGAN WITH THE ARTICLE IN JUNE 2398 01:16:03.019 --> 01:16:04.018 ON JUNE 20TH CONTINUED IN THE 2399 01:16:04.018 --> 01:16:06.019 CITY COUNCIL MEETING ON JUNE 2400 01:16:06.019 --> 01:16:07.017 22ND, CONTINUE ON INTO JUNE 2401 01:16:07.017 --> 01:16:09.017 29TH AND THEN THE SUBSEQUENT 2402 01:16:09.017 --> 01:16:11.000 INITIATION OF TWO 2403 01:16:11.000 --> 01:16:13.008 INVESTIGATIONS TO DEAL WITH 2404 01:16:13.008 --> 01:16:14.026 THIS ISSUE THAT SOMEONE SHOULD 2405 01:16:14.026 --> 01:16:15.015 HAVE THOUGHT THAT WE OUGHT GET 2406 01:16:15.015 --> 01:16:17.016 THIS IN THE HANDS OF THE PEOPLE 2407 01:16:17.016 --> 01:16:18.004 WHO WERE LOOKING AT THAT AND 2408 01:16:18.004 --> 01:16:20.016 THAT PRESENTED >> THE ISSUE TO 2409 01:16:20.016 --> 01:16:21.019 US WHICH WE SUGGESTED THAT THAT 2410 01:16:21.019 --> 01:16:23.017 INFORMATION SHOULD HAVE BEEN 2411 01:16:23.017 --> 01:16:24.015 FORWARDED UP THE CHAIN 2412 01:16:24.015 --> 01:16:25.016 OF COMMAND WHEN IN FACT IT NOT. 2413 01:16:25.016 --> 01:16:27.025 BUT IT WAS CLEAR TO US THAT 2414 01:16:27.025 --> 01:16:28.028 BASED UPON THE INFORMATION 2415 01:16:28.028 --> 01:16:29.019 ALTHOUGH WE COULD NOT 2416 01:16:29.019 --> 01:16:30.004 NECESSARILY DRAW A CONCLUSION 2417 01:16:30.004 --> 01:16:32.026 AS TO WHETHER OR NOT IT HAD 2418 01:16:32.026 --> 01:16:33.005 GONE TO THE CITY MANAGER 2419 01:16:33.005 --> 01:16:35.012 BECAUSE EVERYONE DENIED THAT IT 2420 01:16:35.012 --> 01:16:36.024 HAD WE FELT THAT IT SHOULD 2421 01:16:36.024 --> 01:16:37.026 CERTAINLY SHOULD HAVE UNDER THE 2422 01:16:37.026 --> 01:16:38.002 CIRCUMSTANCES AND THAT WAS THE 2423 01:16:38.002 --> 01:16:41.003 INFORMATION THAT WE PROVIDE IN 2424 01:16:41.003 --> 01:16:42.020 OUR SUPPLEMENTAL REPORT. >> THE 2425 01:16:42.020 --> 01:16:44.014 OTHER ISSUES THAT WE DEALT WITH 2426 01:16:44.014 --> 01:16:46.028 OR TWO OTHER MAJOR ISSUES THAT 2427 01:16:46.028 --> 01:16:47.021 WE DEALT WITH IN TERM OR EXCUSE 2428 01:16:47.021 --> 01:16:49.004 ME ARE THREE OTHER ISSUES THAT 2429 01:16:49.004 --> 01:16:51.025 WE DEALT WITH IN TERMS OF MAJOR 2430 01:16:51.025 --> 01:16:52.008 POINTS AND THAT CONCERN ANYBODY 2431 01:16:52.008 --> 01:16:55.006 ELSE OUTSIDE OF THE CITY 2432 01:16:55.006 --> 01:16:57.026 ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, THE CITY 2433 01:16:57.026 --> 01:16:58.028 MANAGER'S OFFICE WHO MAY HAVE 2434 01:16:58.028 --> 01:16:59.017 BEEN OR HAD KNOWLEDGE OF THE 2435 01:16:59.017 --> 01:17:01.024 ISSUES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 2436 01:17:01.024 --> 01:17:03.003 AND WE CAME TO A CONCLUSION >> 2437 01:17:03.003 --> 01:17:05.004 THAT NONE OF THE CITY COUNCIL 2438 01:17:05.004 --> 01:17:06.008 MEMBERS OR THE CITY COUNCIL 2439 01:17:06.008 --> 01:17:07.023 MEMBER STAFF WERE AWARE OF THE 2440 01:17:07.023 --> 01:17:08.018 PROBLEMS WITH THE NETWORK 2441 01:17:08.018 --> 01:17:11.008 OF THE PROBLEMS THAT WERE 2442 01:17:11.008 --> 01:17:12.022 RAISED BY BRIAN DOYLE'S EMAIL, 2443 01:17:12.022 --> 01:17:13.007 THE PROBLEMS WHICH SUBSEQUENTLY 2444 01:17:13.007 --> 01:17:15.016 THE COMMUNICATIONS INTERACTION 2445 01:17:15.016 --> 01:17:16.009 WITH CISCO SUCH THAT THEY WERE 2446 01:17:16.009 --> 01:17:18.008 IN A POSITION THAT THEY SHOULD 2447 01:17:18.008 --> 01:17:19.004 HAVE TAKEN SOME ACTION 2448 01:17:19.004 --> 01:17:20.026 REGARDING THAT. WITH RESPECT >> 2449 01:17:20.026 --> 01:17:21.010 TO THAT ISSUE, WE INTERVIEWED 2450 01:17:21.010 --> 01:17:23.005 EACH OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS. WE 2451 01:17:23.005 --> 01:17:25.028 INTERVIEWED MEMBERS OF THE 2452 01:17:25.028 --> 01:17:26.017 MAYOR'S STAFF JOE GUERRA, 2453 01:17:26.017 --> 01:17:28.023 REBECCA DE TROTSKY TO DETERMINE 2454 01:17:28.023 --> 01:17:30.000 WHAT IF ANY INTERACTION THERE 2455 01:17:30.000 --> 01:17:32.000 HAD BEEN BETWEEN ANY OF THESE 2456 01:17:32.000 --> 01:17:33.020 INDIVIDUALS AND ANYBODY ON THE 2457 01:17:33.020 --> 01:17:34.009 STAFF WITH REGARD TO THE 2458 01:17:34.009 --> 01:17:36.005 QUESTION OF SELECTION OF CISCO 2459 01:17:36.005 --> 01:17:40.014 OF A CISCO BASED SYSTEM FOR THE 2460 01:17:40.014 --> 01:17:41.011 CONVERGED NETWORK, THE DECISION 2461 01:17:41.011 --> 01:17:44.026 NOT TO OR ANY OF THE 2462 01:17:44.026 --> 01:17:45.023 IMPLEMENTATION OR THE 2463 01:17:45.023 --> 01:17:46.022 DEVELOPMENT OF THE RFP OR ANY 2464 01:17:46.022 --> 01:17:48.015 OF THE OTHER ISSUES WHICH 2465 01:17:48.015 --> 01:17:49.007 OCCURRED IN TERMS 2466 01:17:49.007 --> 01:17:50.013 OF COMMUNICATION OR INTERACTION 2467 01:17:50.013 --> 01:17:51.020 WITH CISCO. WE STARTED THAT 2468 01:17:51.020 --> 01:17:53.005 INQUIRY YOU KNOW, QUITE FRANKLY 2469 01:17:53.005 --> 01:17:55.002 ON THE OTHER SIDE NOT ONE 2470 01:17:55.002 --> 01:17:57.024 OF THE EMPLOYEES THAT WE SPOKE 2471 01:17:57.024 --> 01:17:58.021 WITH IN THE COURSE OF OUR 2472 01:17:58.021 --> 01:18:00.005 INVESTIGATION INDICATED THAT 2473 01:18:00.005 --> 01:18:02.015 THERE HAD BEEN ANY CONTACT OR 2474 01:18:02.015 --> 01:18:03.004 INTERACTION OR ANY SUGGESTION 2475 01:18:03.004 --> 01:18:06.007 THAT ANY AFFRONT TO THEM BY ANY 2476 01:18:06.007 --> 01:18:09.007 MEMBER OR ANY MEMBER OF THE 2477 01:18:09.007 --> 01:18:10.004 COUNCILMEN OR ELECTED OFFICIAL 2478 01:18:10.004 --> 01:18:12.020 STAFF THAT THEY SHOULD BE GOING 2479 01:18:12.020 --> 01:18:13.026 IN THE DIRECTION. AND QUITE 2480 01:18:13.026 --> 01:18:15.015 CLEARLY THE EVIDENCE WAS VERY 2481 01:18:15.015 --> 01:18:17.022 STRONG THAT IT WAS A STAFF 2482 01:18:17.022 --> 01:18:18.029 DECISION THAT CISCO A CISCO 2483 01:18:18.029 --> 01:18:20.021 BASED DECISION OR EXCUSE ME WAS 2484 01:18:20.021 --> 01:18:22.027 A STAFF DECISION THAT A 2485 01:18:22.027 --> 01:18:23.007 CONVERGED NETWORK WAS THE RIGHT 2486 01:18:23.007 --> 01:18:25.011 CALL FOR CITY HALL AND THE 2487 01:18:25.011 --> 01:18:26.019 STAFF DECISION TO THE CISCO 2488 01:18:26.019 --> 01:18:27.017 BASE CONVERGE NETWORK WAS THE 2489 01:18:27.017 --> 01:18:29.007 PROPER RESPONSE AS WELL TOO. 2490 01:18:29.007 --> 01:18:32.005 AND NONE OF THE EVIDENCE 2491 01:18:32.005 --> 01:18:33.012 INDICATED THAT THERE HAD BEEN 2492 01:18:33.012 --> 01:18:34.024 ANY SORT OF INTERACTION WHICH 2493 01:18:34.024 --> 01:18:35.018 SORT OF FORCED THAT TO THEM. 2494 01:18:35.018 --> 01:18:37.000 THAT DECISION IF YOU WILL, 2495 01:18:37.000 --> 01:18:39.022 BASED UPON COMMUNICATIONS FROM 2496 01:18:39.022 --> 01:18:40.025 COUNCIL MEMBERS OR STATEMENTS 2497 01:18:40.025 --> 01:18:41.002 FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS AND 2498 01:18:41.002 --> 01:18:43.029 EVERYONE SEEMED TO BE QUITE 2499 01:18:43.029 --> 01:18:43.021 CLEAR AS FAR AS THAT GOES. 2500 01:18:43.021 --> 01:18:45.017 THERE WERE A COUPLE OF THINGS 2501 01:18:45.017 --> 01:18:46.028 THAT WE LOOKED IN TO DETERMINE 2502 01:18:46.028 --> 01:18:47.020 WHETHER OR NOT THERE WAS THE 2503 01:18:47.020 --> 01:18:48.027 POTENTIAL FOR THAT TO HAVE 2504 01:18:48.027 --> 01:18:49.019 OCCURRED AND THIS CONCERNED OUR 2505 01:18:49.019 --> 01:18:51.023 FOCUS ON THE TECHNOLOGY, 2506 01:18:51.023 --> 01:18:53.002 FURNITURE, EQUIPMENT AND 2507 01:18:53.002 --> 01:18:55.029 RELOCATION THAT BUDGETING 2508 01:18:55.029 --> 01:18:56.003 PROCESS INSOFAR AS CONVERGED 2509 01:18:56.003 --> 01:18:59.018 NETWORK WAS AN ITEM WHICH ENDED 2510 01:18:59.018 --> 01:19:00.027 UP IN THAT BUDGET AND >> TO THE 2511 01:19:00.027 --> 01:19:01.000 EXTENT ANYTHING MIGHT HAVE 2512 01:19:01.000 --> 01:19:03.005 HAPPENED IN THE COURSE OF THAT 2513 01:19:03.005 --> 01:19:04.020 PARTICULAR PROCESS THAT MIGHT 2514 01:19:04.020 --> 01:19:05.017 HAVE >> INFLUENCED THE 2515 01:19:05.017 --> 01:19:07.024 DIRECTION IN WHICH THIS PROJECT 2516 01:19:07.024 --> 01:19:08.001 WENT AND WHETHER OR NOT ANY 2517 01:19:08.001 --> 01:19:10.028 OF THAT INFLUENCE CAME FROM 2518 01:19:10.028 --> 01:19:10.010 ELECTED OFFICIALS AND WE WERE 2519 01:19:10.010 --> 01:19:12.012 NOT ABLE TO DETERMINE IF THERE 2520 01:19:12.012 --> 01:19:13.027 WAS EVIDENCE WHICH WENT TO THAT 2521 01:19:13.027 --> 01:19:14.026 PARTICULAR POINT OR WHICH 2522 01:19:14.026 --> 01:19:15.005 SYSTEMS WERE WHICH 2523 01:19:15.005 --> 01:19:17.018 SUBSTANTIATED THAT TYPE 2524 01:19:17.018 --> 01:19:18.028 OF CLAIM. THE OTHER >> 2525 01:19:18.028 --> 01:19:21.015 CONCLUSION THAT WE CAME TO IN 2526 01:19:21.015 --> 01:19:24.011 I'M GOING TO STOP SPEAKING HERE 2527 01:19:24.011 --> 01:19:26.028 MOMENTARILY AND TURN IT OVER TO 2528 01:19:26.028 --> 01:19:27.024 JOAN AND CURT TO ADDRESS SOME 2529 01:19:27.024 --> 01:19:29.010 ISSUES REGARDING ACTIONS BY THE 2530 01:19:29.010 --> 01:19:32.019 CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE IN 2531 01:19:32.019 --> 01:19:33.024 INTERACTIONS WITH CISCO AND YOU 2532 01:19:33.024 --> 01:19:38.017 KNOW THAT RELATES TO OUR ONE 2533 01:19:38.017 --> 01:19:40.027 OF THE CONCLUSIONS THAT >> WE 2534 01:19:40.027 --> 01:19:43.006 HAD >> NOT A FULL CONCLUSION 2535 01:19:43.006 --> 01:19:46.021 PERHAPS BUT CONCLUSION THAT WE 2536 01:19:46.021 --> 01:19:47.021 DREW WITH RESPECT TO THINGS 2537 01:19:47.021 --> 01:19:49.026 THAT MIGHT HAVE OCCURRED WHICH 2538 01:19:49.026 --> 01:19:50.013 COULD HAVE PREVENTED THIS 2539 01:19:50.013 --> 01:19:52.028 PROBLEM. AND YOU'LL SEE THAT 2540 01:19:52.028 --> 01:19:53.028 YOU KNOW, IN OUR REPORT, YOU 2541 01:19:53.028 --> 01:19:54.025 KNOW, WE TAKE SOME TIME TO 2542 01:19:54.025 --> 01:19:55.020 DISCUSS YOU KNOW, THE 2543 01:19:55.020 --> 01:19:56.004 SUPERVISION OF THIS PROJECT, 2544 01:19:56.004 --> 01:19:58.015 THE OVERSIGHT OF THIS PROJECT 2545 01:19:58.015 --> 01:19:59.027 AND TO WHAT EXTENT THERE WERE 2546 01:19:59.027 --> 01:20:00.004 ISSUES WERE COMING UP THAT 2547 01:20:00.004 --> 01:20:02.000 MIGHT HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED 2548 01:20:02.000 --> 01:20:03.022 EARLIER ON IN THE PROCESS. WE 2549 01:20:03.022 --> 01:20:04.000 START OFF OUR REPORT, YOU KNOW, 2550 01:20:04.000 --> 01:20:06.026 WITH THE STATEMENT THAT WE 2551 01:20:06.026 --> 01:20:06.021 REALLY BELIEVE THAT THIS IS NOT 2552 01:20:06.021 --> 01:20:08.008 THE SORT OF SINISTER ISSUE 2553 01:20:08.008 --> 01:20:10.012 THAT, YOU KNOW, OFTENTIMES YOU 2554 01:20:10.012 --> 01:20:11.014 MIGHT FIND IN THIS PARTICULAR 2555 01:20:11.014 --> 01:20:12.011 TYPE OF CIRCUMSTANCE RATHER 2556 01:20:12.011 --> 01:20:14.015 IT'S THE SORT OF, YOU KNOW, 2557 01:20:14.015 --> 01:20:15.028 SITUATION WHERE IT APPEARS THAT 2558 01:20:15.028 --> 01:20:16.013 EMPLOYEES WERE OFF DOING 2559 01:20:16.013 --> 01:20:18.011 SOMETHING WHICH THEY TRULY 2560 01:20:18.011 --> 01:20:19.007 BELIEVED IN. WE'VE COME TO THE 2561 01:20:19.007 --> 01:20:21.018 CONCLUSION THAT THE ACTIONS 2562 01:20:21.018 --> 01:20:23.008 TAKEN BY THE CIO >> WERE >> 2563 01:20:23.008 --> 01:20:27.004 ACTIONS THAT SHE BELIEVED TO BE 2564 01:20:27.004 --> 01:20:29.001 APPROPRIATE UNDER THE 2565 01:20:29.001 --> 01:20:30.010 CIRCUMSTANCE SINCE THERE'S NO 2566 01:20:30.010 --> 01:20:32.018 EVIDENCE THAT SHE WAS FORCED TO 2567 01:20:32.018 --> 01:20:34.020 DO THE THINGS THAT SHE WAS 2568 01:20:34.020 --> 01:20:35.003 DOING IN THE FORM OF SOMEONE 2569 01:20:35.003 --> 01:20:38.017 TELLING HER YOU SHOULD DO THIS, 2570 01:20:38.017 --> 01:20:39.002 YOU SHOULD GO TO CISCO AND USE 2571 01:20:39.002 --> 01:20:41.006 THEIR SUPPORT, YOU SHOULD 2572 01:20:41.006 --> 01:20:43.011 GO WITH THIS PARTICULAR TYPE 2573 01:20:43.011 --> 01:20:44.024 OF SYSTEM. THERE WERE CERTAINLY 2574 01:20:44.024 --> 01:20:46.005 SOME PRESSURES AND SOME ISSUES 2575 01:20:46.005 --> 01:20:48.015 WITH RESPECT TO, YOU KNOW, 2576 01:20:48.015 --> 01:20:49.001 LIMITED A TIMELINE THAT WAS 2577 01:20:49.001 --> 01:20:52.011 TIGHT FOR HER. BUT SHE 2578 01:20:52.011 --> 01:20:53.020 ACKNOWLEDGED THAT THAT WASN'T 2579 01:20:53.020 --> 01:20:54.024 TIME LINE BUT WE BELIEVED THAT 2580 01:20:54.024 --> 01:20:55.001 WE COULD DO IT AND SHE BELIEVED 2581 01:20:55.001 --> 01:20:58.024 THAT USING THE RESOURCES 2582 01:20:58.024 --> 01:20:59.001 AVAILABLE FROM CISCO WAS 2583 01:20:59.001 --> 01:21:01.025 APPROPRIATE UNDER THE 2584 01:21:01.025 --> 01:21:01.015 CIRCUMSTANCES IN ORDER >> TO 2585 01:21:01.015 --> 01:21:03.001 ENSURE THAT SHE HAD, YOU KNOW, 2586 01:21:03.001 --> 01:21:05.025 BOTH THE TECHNICAL RESOURCES 2587 01:21:05.025 --> 01:21:06.006 AND THE MANPOWER RESOURCES TO 2588 01:21:06.006 --> 01:21:08.005 DO THE THINGS THAT WERE 2589 01:21:08.005 --> 01:21:09.007 REQUIRED IN TERMS OF GETTING 2590 01:21:09.007 --> 01:21:10.029 THIS PROJECT IMPLEMENTED, THAT 2591 01:21:10.029 --> 01:21:11.005 WAS HER BELIEF WE BELIEVE UP TO 2592 01:21:11.005 --> 01:21:15.007 A PERIOD OF TIME WHEN ALL OF A 2593 01:21:15.007 --> 01:21:16.012 SUDDEN IT APPEARED THAT IT 2594 01:21:16.012 --> 01:21:17.014 MIGHT >> NOT BE AND WE BELIEVE 2595 01:21:17.014 --> 01:21:19.025 >> THAT UP UNTIL APRIL 7TH IN 2596 01:21:19.025 --> 01:21:20.000 THIS CONVERSATION SHE HAD WITH 2597 01:21:20.000 --> 01:21:22.013 THE CITY ATTORNEY WHERE OF A 2598 01:21:22.013 --> 01:21:23.012 SUDDEN SHE WAS NOW BEING 2599 01:21:23.012 --> 01:21:24.023 QUESTIONED ABOUT HER 2600 01:21:24.023 --> 01:21:25.007 INTERACTIONS WITH CISCO UP >> 2601 01:21:25.007 --> 01:21:27.015 UNTIL THAT POINT BELIEVE THAT 2602 01:21:27.015 --> 01:21:28.016 SHE HAD ABSOLUTELY NO QUALMS OR 2603 01:21:28.016 --> 01:21:30.021 QUESTIONS IN HER MIND THAT WHAT 2604 01:21:30.021 --> 01:21:31.010 SHE WAS DOING WAS WAS PROPER 2605 01:21:31.010 --> 01:21:33.001 AND APPROPRIATE UNDER THE 2606 01:21:33.001 --> 01:21:34.001 CIRCUMSTANCES AND >> SHE DENIED 2607 01:21:34.001 --> 01:21:36.006 ABSOLUTELY THAT THERE HAD BEEN 2608 01:21:36.006 --> 01:21:37.016 ANY FROM THE CITY MANAGER'S 2609 01:21:37.016 --> 01:21:38.025 OFFICE THAT THERE HAD BEEN ANY 2610 01:21:38.025 --> 01:21:39.016 PRESSURE FROM ANY OF THE 2611 01:21:39.016 --> 01:21:40.021 COUNCIL MEMBERS OR ANY COUNCIL 2612 01:21:40.021 --> 01:21:41.029 MEMBER STAFF TO DO ANY OF THE 2613 01:21:41.029 --> 01:21:42.023 THINGS THAT SHE WAS DOING 2614 01:21:42.023 --> 01:21:43.024 BECAUSE THOSE WERE THE THINGS 2615 01:21:43.024 --> 01:21:44.001 THAT SHE CHOSE TO DO AND IT WAS 2616 01:21:44.001 --> 01:21:47.008 NOT UNTIL ALL OF A SUDDEN THERE 2617 01:21:47.008 --> 01:21:48.029 WAS >> THIS INQUIRY RAISED BY 2618 01:21:48.029 --> 01:21:49.012 THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AS 2619 01:21:49.012 --> 01:21:51.017 TO WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS THAT 2620 01:21:51.017 --> 01:21:53.005 THINGS APPEAR TO HAVE CHANGED 2621 01:21:53.005 --> 01:21:55.005 AT THAT POINT IN >> HER 2622 01:21:55.005 --> 01:21:57.013 RESPONSE UNFORTUNATELY AT THAT 2623 01:21:57.013 --> 01:21:58.024 POINT WAS I'M NOT HAVING THESE 2624 01:21:58.024 --> 01:21:59.007 COMMUNICATIONS AND. IT WAS 2625 01:21:59.007 --> 01:22:01.008 AT THAT POINT WE BEGAN WITH 2626 01:22:01.008 --> 01:22:02.018 SOME OF THESE PROBLEMS. OUR >> 2627 01:22:02.018 --> 01:22:04.016 CONCERN IS THAT THERE WERE 2628 01:22:04.016 --> 01:22:06.009 ENOUGH THINGS THAT WERE THERE 2629 01:22:06.009 --> 01:22:08.003 ARE THINGS THAT COULD HAVE 2630 01:22:08.003 --> 01:22:09.001 HAPPENED THAT TIME AND AFTER 2631 01:22:09.001 --> 01:22:12.000 THAT TIME >> SUCH THAT WE MIGHT 2632 01:22:12.000 --> 01:22:15.028 HAVE DISCOVERED THIS IF 2633 01:22:15.028 --> 01:22:16.010 QUESTIONS HAD BEEN ASKED IF 2634 01:22:16.010 --> 01:22:18.009 THERE HAD BEEN A LITTLE BIT 2635 01:22:18.009 --> 01:22:19.011 MORE IN TERMS OF PROBING OF THE 2636 01:22:19.011 --> 01:22:21.029 CIO IN TERMS OF HOW THEY WERE 2637 01:22:21.029 --> 01:22:23.000 GETTING THINGS DONE AND WHAT 2638 01:22:23.000 --> 01:22:25.020 THEY WERE DOING, THERE WERE A 2639 01:22:25.020 --> 01:22:26.019 NUMBER OF PEOPLE YOU KNOW, A 2640 01:22:26.019 --> 01:22:27.020 NUMBER OF YOU KNOW, THE COUNCIL 2641 01:22:27.020 --> 01:22:28.007 MEMBERS SAW, THE DEMONSTRATION 2642 01:22:28.007 --> 01:22:30.020 OUT THERE YOU KNOW, THERE WERE 2643 01:22:30.020 --> 01:22:31.022 A NUMBER OF THINGS WHICH SORT 2644 01:22:31.022 --> 01:22:33.003 OF HIGHLIGHTED FOR PEOPLE THE 2645 01:22:33.003 --> 01:22:35.014 ISSUE THAT THERE WAS SOME SORT 2646 01:22:35.014 --> 01:22:36.007 OF INTERACTION WITH CISCO AND 2647 01:22:36.007 --> 01:22:38.027 TO THOSE FOLKS WHO HAD A 2648 01:22:38.027 --> 01:22:39.019 LIMITED OR ISOLATED EXPERIENCE 2649 01:22:39.019 --> 01:22:41.005 GOING OUT THERE FOR A DEMO, IT 2650 01:22:41.005 --> 01:22:43.002 >> MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN AND WE 2651 01:22:43.002 --> 01:22:44.025 DON'T THINK IT WOULD HAVE BEEN 2652 01:22:44.025 --> 01:22:44.021 OBVIOUS >> THAT THERE WAS 2653 01:22:44.021 --> 01:22:45.021 SOMETHING INAPPROPRIATE OR 2654 01:22:45.021 --> 01:22:46.018 IMPROPER GOING ON. BUT FOR 2655 01:22:46.018 --> 01:22:48.017 THOSE WHO WERE LOOKING AT THIS 2656 01:22:48.017 --> 01:22:49.028 FROM A DAY TO DAY LEVEL, YOU 2657 01:22:49.028 --> 01:22:50.000 KNOW, SORT OF OVERSIGHT AND 2658 01:22:50.000 --> 01:22:52.002 MANAGEMENT OF IT, THEY >> 2659 01:22:52.002 --> 01:22:53.009 SHOULD HAVE SEEN MORE OF THIS 2660 01:22:53.009 --> 01:22:54.022 >> OR WE BELIEVE THAT THEY 2661 01:22:54.022 --> 01:22:55.000 SHOULD HAVE SEEN MORE OF THIS 2662 01:22:55.000 --> 01:22:57.026 AND THAT WHAT THEY SAW COULD 2663 01:22:57.026 --> 01:22:58.022 HAVE AND SHOULD HAVE CAUSED >> 2664 01:22:58.022 --> 01:22:59.021 THEM TO RAISE OR ASK QUESTIONS 2665 01:22:59.021 --> 01:23:01.000 ABOUT HOW ARE WE GETTING THESE 2666 01:23:01.000 --> 01:23:03.016 THINGS? AND THERE'S A COUPLE 2667 01:23:03.016 --> 01:23:04.004 OF OTHER ISSUES THAT JOAN WILL 2668 01:23:04.004 --> 01:23:06.025 ADDRESS WHEN SHE TALKS ABOUT 2669 01:23:06.025 --> 01:23:07.004 THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WITH 2670 01:23:07.004 --> 01:23:09.000 REGARD TO THAT AS WELL TOO. SO 2671 01:23:09.000 --> 01:23:12.004 THAT COVERS THE NEW ISSUES THAT 2672 01:23:12.004 --> 01:23:14.003 WE HAVE FOUND SOME OF THE 2673 01:23:14.003 --> 01:23:15.002 ISSUES RELATED TO THE CITY 2674 01:23:15.002 --> 01:23:16.019 MANAGER'S OFFICE AND I WILL NOW 2675 01:23:16.019 --> 01:23:18.028 >> NEED TO PUSH THE NEED TO 2676 01:23:18.028 --> 01:23:25.024 PUSH THE BUTTON THERE. I WAS 2677 01:23:25.024 --> 01:23:28.024 JUST >> GOING TO SUGGEST TO 2678 01:23:28.024 --> 01:23:30.028 MIKE THAT THAT MAYBE WE CHANGED 2679 01:23:30.028 --> 01:23:32.019 THE DYNAMIC BECAUSE IT IT IT 2680 01:23:32.019 --> 01:23:35.003 MIKE HAS COVID I THINK OUR 2681 01:23:35.003 --> 01:23:38.003 SUMMARY QUITE WELL HERE AND I 2682 01:23:38.003 --> 01:23:41.023 JUST THOUGHT THAT I DON'T MR. 2683 01:23:41.023 --> 01:23:43.017 MAYOR, DO YOU HAVE A COURSE 2684 01:23:43.017 --> 01:23:45.001 THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO FOLLOW 2685 01:23:45.001 --> 01:23:47.029 WHETHER WE SHOULD HAVE SOME 2686 01:23:47.029 --> 01:23:48.001 SOME QUESTIONS >> I WANT TO 2687 01:23:48.001 --> 01:23:51.009 PROVIDE YOU THE TOTAL 2688 01:23:51.009 --> 01:23:52.012 OPPORTUNITY WHATEVER YOU WANT 2689 01:23:52.012 --> 01:23:53.021 TO TAKE TO PRESENT YOUR REPORT. 2690 01:23:53.021 --> 01:23:54.002 SO I DON'T WANT I'M NOT GOING 2691 01:23:54.002 --> 01:23:56.026 TO BE IN A POSITION WHERE I 2692 01:23:56.026 --> 01:23:56.018 EDIT YOUR REPORT SO I THINK YOU 2693 01:23:56.018 --> 01:23:58.000 SHOULD REPORT ANYTHING YOU WANT 2694 01:23:58.000 --> 01:24:01.011 TO GIVE TO US AND THEN WE'LL >> 2695 01:24:01.011 --> 01:24:02.023 I'M SURE COUNCIL MEMBERS WILL 2696 01:24:02.023 --> 01:24:03.024 ASK QUESTIONS THAT WE'LL BRING 2697 01:24:03.024 --> 01:24:04.007 UP IN THEIR INFORMATION. OKAY, 2698 01:24:04.007 --> 01:24:13.002 >> WELL MAYBE JUST A NEW VOICE 2699 01:24:13.002 --> 01:24:15.013 WILL HELP KEEP SOME GUESTS 2700 01:24:15.013 --> 01:24:17.016 AWAKE HERE. BUT MIKE, AS I SAID 2701 01:24:17.016 --> 01:24:21.001 >> HAS COVID THANK YOU JOAN. 2702 01:24:21.001 --> 01:24:23.016 THE GAMUT QUITE QUITE WELL ON 2703 01:24:23.016 --> 01:24:26.017 WHAT ONE ISSUE THAT HAD COME UP 2704 01:24:26.017 --> 01:24:28.005 EARLIER WAS THE >> ROLE OF THE 2705 01:24:28.005 --> 01:24:31.028 CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE VIS A 2706 01:24:31.028 --> 01:24:32.013 VIS HOW HOW LEGAL ADVICE IS IS 2707 01:24:32.013 --> 01:24:36.028 OFFERED CITYWIDE. I HOW THE 2708 01:24:36.028 --> 01:24:39.006 CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WORKS 2709 01:24:39.006 --> 01:24:41.026 WITH THE STAFF AND HOW THE CITY 2710 01:24:41.026 --> 01:24:42.005 HAD CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE 2711 01:24:42.005 --> 01:24:45.011 CERTAINLY SERVES ITS CLIENT THE 2712 01:24:45.011 --> 01:24:47.012 CITY COUNCIL AND WE DID SPEND A 2713 01:24:47.012 --> 01:24:49.027 GOOD DEAL OF TIME EVALUATING 2714 01:24:49.027 --> 01:24:51.016 THAT ISSUE >> INTERVIEWING 2715 01:24:51.016 --> 01:24:53.026 BRIAN DOYLE TWICE, INTERVIEWING 2716 01:24:53.026 --> 01:24:55.015 CITY ATTORNEY RICK DOYLE TWICE 2717 01:24:55.015 --> 01:24:58.004 WITH SOME FOLLOW UP PHONE CALLS 2718 01:24:58.004 --> 01:25:01.003 AND THEN ASKING OUR OTHER >> 2719 01:25:01.003 --> 01:25:03.004 INTERVIEWEES WHO INTERFACED >> 2720 01:25:03.004 --> 01:25:05.011 WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE 2721 01:25:05.011 --> 01:25:06.018 QUESTIONS TO HELP US UNDERSTAND 2722 01:25:06.018 --> 01:25:09.013 HOW THIS RELATIONSHIP WORKS. 2723 01:25:09.013 --> 01:25:12.022 AND IT IS OUR FEELING THAT IN 2724 01:25:12.022 --> 01:25:15.000 THIS CASE THERE THERE WAS A 2725 01:25:15.000 --> 01:25:18.001 RUSH TO GET THE RFP OUT IN >> 2726 01:25:18.001 --> 01:25:20.000 THE STREET AND AS A RESULT THE 2727 01:25:20.000 --> 01:25:22.010 CITY >> ATTORNEY'S OFFICE 2728 01:25:22.010 --> 01:25:23.024 REALLY DID NOT >> HAVE THAT 2729 01:25:23.024 --> 01:25:24.004 MUCH TIME TO REVIEW THE 2730 01:25:24.004 --> 01:25:26.003 DOCUMENT BEFORE IT WENT OUT. 2731 01:25:26.003 --> 01:25:29.007 THE DOCUMENT WAS PRIMARILY PUT 2732 01:25:29.007 --> 01:25:31.011 TOGETHER WITH THE HELP OF AN 2733 01:25:31.011 --> 01:25:33.029 OUTSIDE CONSULTANT WORKING WITH 2734 01:25:33.029 --> 01:25:35.012 THE GENERAL SERVICES DEPARTMENT 2735 01:25:35.012 --> 01:25:38.025 AND THE GENERAL SERVICES 2736 01:25:38.025 --> 01:25:39.003 DEPARTMENT WAS IN EFFECT 2737 01:25:39.003 --> 01:25:41.015 FEEDING INFORMATION TO BRIAN 2738 01:25:41.015 --> 01:25:43.012 DOYLE >> AS THAT PROCESS 2739 01:25:43.012 --> 01:25:45.001 UNFOLDED. BUT BRIAN DID NOT 2740 01:25:45.001 --> 01:25:48.007 HAVE THE >> OPPORTUNITY TO TO 2741 01:25:48.007 --> 01:25:50.001 SEE THE DOCUMENT EXCEPT >> A 2742 01:25:50.001 --> 01:25:53.015 FEW DAYS BEFORE IT WAS ACTUALLY 2743 01:25:53.015 --> 01:25:54.002 ISSUED AND >> IN FACT THE FIRST 2744 01:25:54.002 --> 01:25:56.008 TIME HE ACTUALLY WAS TOLD THAT 2745 01:25:56.008 --> 01:25:58.014 A DOCUMENT WOULD BE COMING TO 2746 01:25:58.014 --> 01:25:59.020 HIM TO LOOK AT, HE WAS ASKED IF 2747 01:25:59.020 --> 01:26:01.002 HE COULD ACTUALLY REVIEW IT 2748 01:26:01.002 --> 01:26:03.014 THAT DAY AND >> ALLOW THEM TO 2749 01:26:03.014 --> 01:26:05.009 TURN TO TO DISTRIBUTE THE RFP 2750 01:26:05.009 --> 01:26:09.015 WITHIN >> 24 HOURS. AS >> A 2751 01:26:09.015 --> 01:26:13.015 RESULT THERE WERE LINGERING 2752 01:26:13.015 --> 01:26:15.008 CONCERNS AND AND YOU KNOW, YOU 2753 01:26:15.008 --> 01:26:18.028 MUST UNDERSTAND THAT IN AN RFP 2754 01:26:18.028 --> 01:26:19.024 PROCESS SOMETIMES YOU DO ISSUE 2755 01:26:19.024 --> 01:26:21.029 A DOCUMENT BECAUSE THERE ARE 2756 01:26:21.029 --> 01:26:22.011 TIMELINES BUT WHAT YOU MIGHT 2757 01:26:22.011 --> 01:26:24.023 CONSIDER IS LOOKING AT ADDENDUM 2758 01:26:24.023 --> 01:26:26.011 TO BE ISSUED ON THE BACK END TO 2759 01:26:26.011 --> 01:26:29.016 COVER ISSUES THAT PERHAPS HAD 2760 01:26:29.016 --> 01:26:30.002 NOT BEEN ADEQUATELY ADDRESSED. 2761 01:26:30.002 --> 01:26:33.015 WORST >> CASE SCENARIO YOU 2762 01:26:33.015 --> 01:26:34.023 COULD PULL AN RFP OFF THE 2763 01:26:34.023 --> 01:26:35.000 STREET. IT'S NOT THE END THE 2764 01:26:35.000 --> 01:26:37.013 WORLD TO PUT A DOCUMENT OUT IN 2765 01:26:37.013 --> 01:26:38.013 THE STREET THAT MAY HAVE SOME 2766 01:26:38.013 --> 01:26:39.006 ISSUES >> AND AS HAS SAID A 2767 01:26:39.006 --> 01:26:44.009 COUPLE OF WEEKS AFTER >> THE 2768 01:26:44.009 --> 01:26:45.008 RFP WAS ISSUED THERE WERE SOME 2769 01:26:45.008 --> 01:26:47.014 RESPONSES FROM THE VENDOR 2770 01:26:47.014 --> 01:26:49.026 COMMUNITY. THERE WAS A MEETING 2771 01:26:49.026 --> 01:26:51.012 AGAIN WHEN BRIAN >> DOYLE WAS 2772 01:26:51.012 --> 01:26:53.010 INCLUDED WITH THE GENERAL 2773 01:26:53.010 --> 01:26:55.021 SERVICES DEPARTMENT AND AND THE 2774 01:26:55.021 --> 01:26:58.029 CIO AND AT THIS MEETING THERE 2775 01:26:58.029 --> 01:27:00.023 WAS FOR THE FIRST TIME A 2776 01:27:00.023 --> 01:27:02.029 DISCUSSION OF SOME OF THE >> 2777 01:27:02.029 --> 01:27:03.010 ISSUES AND THEN THAT WAS WHAT 2778 01:27:03.010 --> 01:27:05.012 FOLLOWED UP WITH THE APRIL SIX 2779 01:27:05.012 --> 01:27:08.018 EMAIL FROM BRIAN >> DOYLE 2780 01:27:08.018 --> 01:27:10.022 OUTLINING HIS CONCERNS >> AND 2781 01:27:10.022 --> 01:27:13.009 YOU KNOW THE CONCERNS SOME 2782 01:27:13.009 --> 01:27:15.027 OF THE CONCERNS NOT STRICTLY 2783 01:27:15.027 --> 01:27:16.024 LEGAL IN NATURE. I MEAN SOME 2784 01:27:16.024 --> 01:27:18.004 OF THE CONCERNS >> WERE ABOUT 2785 01:27:18.004 --> 01:27:21.029 THE ORGANIZATION OR THE CLARITY 2786 01:27:21.029 --> 01:27:22.004 OF THE RFP. SOME OF THE 2787 01:27:22.004 --> 01:27:24.000 CONCERNS WERE ABOUT THE TIME 2788 01:27:24.000 --> 01:27:26.000 FRAMES ALLOWED IN THE RFP 2789 01:27:26.000 --> 01:27:28.004 DESIRING LONGER PERIODS OF TIME 2790 01:27:28.004 --> 01:27:31.004 AND AS WE MENTIONED >> THE TWO 2791 01:27:31.004 --> 01:27:33.011 ISSUES THAT WERE OF MORE 2792 01:27:33.011 --> 01:27:34.029 CONCERN FROM A LEGAL STANDPOINT 2793 01:27:34.029 --> 01:27:35.003 INVOLVED THE PROPRIETARY SPECS. 2794 01:27:35.003 --> 01:27:40.006 THERE WAS A BILL >> 2795 01:27:40.006 --> 01:27:41.026 OF MATERIALS THAT CISCO HAD PUT 2796 01:27:41.026 --> 01:27:42.022 TOGETHER OF CISCO EQUIPMENT 2797 01:27:42.022 --> 01:27:45.016 ATTACHED TO THE RFP. NOW 2798 01:27:45.016 --> 01:27:48.015 TECHNICALLY THIS WAS NOT AN RFP 2799 01:27:48.015 --> 01:27:51.027 THAT DEMANDED >> A CISCO 2800 01:27:51.027 --> 01:27:53.018 SYSTEM. THERE WAS AN 2801 01:27:53.018 --> 01:27:55.009 OPPORTUNITY UNDER THE RFP TO 2802 01:27:55.009 --> 01:27:57.022 PROVIDE A DIFFERENT SYSTEM BUT 2803 01:27:57.022 --> 01:27:59.001 YOU WOULD HAVE TO JUSTIFY THAT 2804 01:27:59.001 --> 01:28:01.001 DIFFERENT SYSTEM TO GET 2805 01:28:01.001 --> 01:28:02.012 APPROVAL FROM THE CITY AND 2806 01:28:02.012 --> 01:28:03.006 GIVEN THE VERY SHORT TIME FRAME 2807 01:28:03.006 --> 01:28:05.029 IN THE RFP THAT WASN'T A REAL 2808 01:28:05.029 --> 01:28:06.007 PRACTICAL ALTERNATIVE. AND THEN 2809 01:28:06.007 --> 01:28:09.007 THE OTHER >> ISSUE WAS THE 2810 01:28:09.007 --> 01:28:11.029 ALLEGATION THAT THERE HAD BEEN 2811 01:28:11.029 --> 01:28:13.026 SOME IMPROPER COMMUNICATIONS 2812 01:28:13.026 --> 01:28:15.015 WITH CISCO >> YAHOO EXCUSE 2813 01:28:15.015 --> 01:28:25.026 ME EXCUSE MY MOUTH STREET 2814 01:28:25.026 --> 01:28:26.022 DRIED. SO FOLLOWING THE 2815 01:28:26.022 --> 01:28:31.029 ISSUANCE OF THIS APRIL SIX 2816 01:28:31.029 --> 01:28:33.004 EMAIL AS MIKE HAS DISCUSSED 2817 01:28:33.004 --> 01:28:38.001 THERE, THERE WAS A RESPONSE 2818 01:28:38.001 --> 01:28:40.009 FROM THE CIO TO BRIAN THAT 2819 01:28:40.009 --> 01:28:42.014 THERE WOULD BE SHE WOULD LIKE 2820 01:28:42.014 --> 01:28:43.000 TO FOLLOW UP AND HAVE A MEETING 2821 01:28:43.000 --> 01:28:45.011 TO DISCUSS THESE ISSUES. THAT 2822 01:28:45.011 --> 01:28:47.008 MEETING WITH >> BRIAN DOYLE 2823 01:28:47.008 --> 01:28:49.022 NEVER OCCURRED BUT BRIAN HAD 2824 01:28:49.022 --> 01:28:51.027 BEEN ADVISING >> THE CITY 2825 01:28:51.027 --> 01:28:52.011 ATTORNEY OVER THAT THOSE LAST 2826 01:28:52.011 --> 01:28:55.016 COUPLE OF WEEKS OF HIS CONCERNS 2827 01:28:55.016 --> 01:28:57.024 AND THIS EMAIL DID PROVIDE THE 2828 01:28:57.024 --> 01:28:59.010 CITY ATTORNEY WITH THE PLATFORM 2829 01:28:59.010 --> 01:29:01.003 TO DISCUSS WITH VANJA WHICH HE 2830 01:29:01.003 --> 01:29:03.019 DID THE NEXT DAY IN CONJUNCTION 2831 01:29:03.019 --> 01:29:05.010 WITH RECEIVING OR IN TWO DAYS I 2832 01:29:05.010 --> 01:29:08.019 GUESS LATER I'M NOT SURE OF THE 2833 01:29:08.019 --> 01:29:09.005 EXACT SEQUENCE BUT IN 2834 01:29:09.005 --> 01:29:11.026 CONJUNCTION WITH RECEIVING ALSO 2835 01:29:11.026 --> 01:29:12.021 THE APRIL 7TH E-MAIL THE EMAIL 2836 01:29:12.021 --> 01:29:15.020 >> DISCUSSED THAT THAT THE CIO 2837 01:29:15.020 --> 01:29:17.021 HAD >> SENT OUT FROM CISCO 2838 01:29:17.021 --> 01:29:20.019 ADVICE IN THAT THE ISSUES WITH 2839 01:29:20.019 --> 01:29:25.002 VERIZON AN INTERESTED VENDOR IN 2840 01:29:25.002 --> 01:29:28.003 THE PROCESS HAD BEEN RESOLVED. 2841 01:29:28.003 --> 01:29:32.017 SO AT >> THAT POINT, RICK, HE 2842 01:29:32.017 --> 01:29:35.002 DECIDES OUR CITY ATTORNEY 2843 01:29:35.002 --> 01:29:37.010 DECIDES THAT HE NEEDS TO 2844 01:29:37.010 --> 01:29:39.010 DISCUSS THE MATTER WITH THE 2845 01:29:39.010 --> 01:29:41.012 CIO. >> HE HAD ASKED THAT A 2846 01:29:41.012 --> 01:29:44.015 RESPONSIVE EMAIL PIECE BE 2847 01:29:44.015 --> 01:29:46.004 DEVELOPED. HE LOOKED AT THE 2848 01:29:46.004 --> 01:29:48.008 RESPONSIVE EMAIL RATHER THAN 2849 01:29:48.008 --> 01:29:50.007 SEND IT KNOWING ALSO THAT THERE 2850 01:29:50.007 --> 01:29:53.002 HAD BEEN SOME IN THE 2851 01:29:53.002 --> 01:29:55.017 RELATIONSHIP AND THAT THE CITY 2852 01:29:55.017 --> 01:29:56.023 ATTORNEY'S OFFICE PERHAPS HAD 2853 01:29:56.023 --> 01:29:58.000 BEEN SEEN SOMEWHAT AS AN >> 2854 01:29:58.000 --> 01:30:00.011 OBSTACLE IN THIS PROCESS HE 2855 01:30:00.011 --> 01:30:02.014 WANTED TO MAKE A PERSONAL 2856 01:30:02.014 --> 01:30:03.003 CONNECTION WITH THE CIO AS HE 2857 01:30:03.003 --> 01:30:05.015 EXPLAINED IT TO US AND HE MADE 2858 01:30:05.015 --> 01:30:06.010 A CALL TO HER AND >> THOUGHT 2859 01:30:06.010 --> 01:30:08.024 THAT HE WOULD JUST DIRECTLY 2860 01:30:08.024 --> 01:30:09.011 COMMUNICATE WITH HER ON THESE 2861 01:30:09.011 --> 01:30:11.009 ISSUES THAT WERE OF MOST 2862 01:30:11.009 --> 01:30:13.004 CONCERN HIM THE PROPRIETARY 2863 01:30:13.004 --> 01:30:16.002 ISSUE OR STANDARDIZATION AND 2864 01:30:16.002 --> 01:30:18.027 THE ISSUE OF COMMUNICATIONS 2865 01:30:18.027 --> 01:30:19.026 WITH CISCO >> AND THE CITY 2866 01:30:19.026 --> 01:30:21.008 ATTORNEY WAS TOLD BY HIS CIO 2867 01:30:21.008 --> 01:30:24.000 THAT SHE HAD THAT THE CITY WAS 2868 01:30:24.000 --> 01:30:28.002 STANDARDIZED ON THIS ON CISCO 2869 01:30:28.002 --> 01:30:31.029 AND WAS STANDARDIZED FOR FOUR 2870 01:30:31.029 --> 01:30:32.013 DATA AND THAT THAT IT WAS VERY 2871 01:30:32.013 --> 01:30:36.013 CLEAR TELEPHONY WHICH WAS ONLY 2872 01:30:36.013 --> 01:30:38.010 A SMALL PORTION ACTUALLY OF THE 2873 01:30:38.010 --> 01:30:41.007 EQUIPMENT TO BE PROVIDED SHOULD 2874 01:30:41.007 --> 01:30:43.009 ALSO BE INCLUDED SINCE THE 2875 01:30:43.009 --> 01:30:45.027 CIRCUITRY IN THE AND THE DATA 2876 01:30:45.027 --> 01:30:47.000 HAD BEEN STANDARDIZED AND HE >> 2877 01:30:47.000 --> 01:30:51.007 WAS TOLD VERY CLEARLY THAT 2878 01:30:51.007 --> 01:30:53.007 THERE HAD >> BEEN NO 2879 01:30:53.007 --> 01:30:54.002 COMMUNICATIONS WITH CISCO. AND 2880 01:30:54.002 --> 01:30:58.024 MY FEELING OUR FEELING AS WE 2881 01:30:58.024 --> 01:30:59.002 EVALUATED THIS EVIDENCE WAS 2882 01:30:59.002 --> 01:31:02.005 THAT HE DEFINITELY WANTED TO 2883 01:31:02.005 --> 01:31:05.008 FOLLOW UP AND MAKE SURE THAT HE 2884 01:31:05.008 --> 01:31:07.000 UNDERSTOOD WHAT WAS GOING ON 2885 01:31:07.000 --> 01:31:09.010 FROM THE SOURCE WHICH WAS A 2886 01:31:09.010 --> 01:31:10.013 CIO. AND >> MARK RICH HAS SAID 2887 01:31:10.013 --> 01:31:15.024 THAT IN THAT CONVERSATION SHE 2888 01:31:15.024 --> 01:31:17.020 TOLD HIM THERE WERE NO 2889 01:31:17.020 --> 01:31:18.027 INAPPROPRIATE COMMUNICATIONS 2890 01:31:18.027 --> 01:31:20.004 BEING CONDUCTED WITH CISCO. >> 2891 01:31:20.004 --> 01:31:24.025 RICK DOYLE DOES NOT RECALL THAT 2892 01:31:24.025 --> 01:31:25.003 HE SAYS SHE TOLD HIM THERE WERE 2893 01:31:25.003 --> 01:31:27.015 NO COMMUNICATIONS AND OUR 2894 01:31:27.015 --> 01:31:28.019 FEELING IS >> THAT IF HE HAD 2895 01:31:28.019 --> 01:31:30.027 BEEN TOLD THERE WERE NO 2896 01:31:30.027 --> 01:31:31.001 INAPPROPRIATE COMMUNICATIONS IT 2897 01:31:31.001 --> 01:31:34.024 WOULD HAVE BEEN A LONGER 2898 01:31:34.024 --> 01:31:34.010 CONVERSATION BECAUSE HE 2899 01:31:34.010 --> 01:31:36.028 PROBABLY WOULD HAD PURSUED WHAT 2900 01:31:36.028 --> 01:31:38.017 HER VISION OF INAPPROPRIATE 2901 01:31:38.017 --> 01:31:40.000 APPROPRIATE WAS AND WOULD HAVE 2902 01:31:40.000 --> 01:31:42.024 ASKED WELL WELL WHAT KINDS 2903 01:31:42.024 --> 01:31:43.001 OF COMMUNICATIONS HAVE BEEN 2904 01:31:43.001 --> 01:31:45.017 GOING ON? PLEASE EXPLAIN TO 2905 01:31:45.017 --> 01:31:46.025 ME SO WE CAN DECIDE >> WHETHER 2906 01:31:46.025 --> 01:31:47.026 THESE ARE APPROPRIATE OR 2907 01:31:47.026 --> 01:31:48.026 INAPPROPRIATE >> SO OUR FEELING 2908 01:31:48.026 --> 01:31:50.010 LOOKING AT THE EVIDENCE WAS 2909 01:31:50.010 --> 01:31:52.017 THAT IT WAS AT LEAST >> AS 2910 01:31:52.017 --> 01:31:54.028 EXPLAINED TO A VERY SHORT 2911 01:31:54.028 --> 01:31:55.008 CONVERSATION >> AND THAT SHE 2912 01:31:55.008 --> 01:31:58.015 WAS VERY ADAMANT IN SAYING THAT 2913 01:31:58.015 --> 01:32:00.010 THERE HAD BEEN NO 2914 01:32:00.010 --> 01:32:01.010 COMMUNICATIONS AND WE TEND TO 2915 01:32:01.010 --> 01:32:03.006 FEEL >> THAT WAS PROBABLY HOW 2916 01:32:03.006 --> 01:32:05.013 THE CONVERSATION WENT IN 2917 01:32:05.013 --> 01:32:08.027 AT THAT >> POINT HAVING BEEN 2918 01:32:08.027 --> 01:32:10.029 TOLD THAT THE CITY WAS 2919 01:32:10.029 --> 01:32:12.013 STANDARDIZED ON CISCO AND THAT 2920 01:32:12.013 --> 01:32:14.026 THERE WERE >> NO COMMUNICATIONS 2921 01:32:14.026 --> 01:32:15.010 WITH CISCO I THE CITY ATTORNEY 2922 01:32:15.010 --> 01:32:19.018 REPORTED BACK TO BRIAN THE 2923 01:32:19.018 --> 01:32:20.003 RESULTS OF THIS CONVERSATION 2924 01:32:20.003 --> 01:32:22.016 AND HE FELT THAT HE HAD HEARD 2925 01:32:22.016 --> 01:32:24.028 FROM HIS COLLEAGUE FROM THE 2926 01:32:24.028 --> 01:32:26.027 DEPARTMENT HEAD FOR I.T THAT 2927 01:32:26.027 --> 01:32:29.005 THIS WAS THE CASE AND HE WAS 2928 01:32:29.005 --> 01:32:32.011 CONVINCED THAT THE ISSUES THAT 2929 01:32:32.011 --> 01:32:34.026 HAD BEEN RAISED WERE WERE NOT 2930 01:32:34.026 --> 01:32:36.002 ISSUES AT LEAST NOT AT THAT 2931 01:32:36.002 --> 01:32:39.026 TIME. >> AND AS FAR AS WE CAN 2932 01:32:39.026 --> 01:32:41.028 TELL FROM THE INVESTIGATION IT 2933 01:32:41.028 --> 01:32:44.025 APPEARS THAT THE CITY 2934 01:32:44.025 --> 01:32:45.014 ATTORNEY'S OFFICE FROM THAT 2935 01:32:45.014 --> 01:32:47.020 POINT ON WAS EFFECTIVELY >> CUT 2936 01:32:47.020 --> 01:32:50.005 OUT OF THE MEETINGS AND MOST 2937 01:32:50.005 --> 01:32:53.023 OF THE COMMUNICATIONS THAT WENT 2938 01:32:53.023 --> 01:32:54.009 ON WITH RESPECT >> TO THIS 2939 01:32:54.009 --> 01:32:57.001 PARTICULAR PROJECT AS THE RFP 2940 01:32:57.001 --> 01:33:00.014 WINDED ITS >> WAY THROUGH THE 2941 01:33:00.014 --> 01:33:01.007 PROCESS. SO >> THEY HAD NO 2942 01:33:01.007 --> 01:33:04.003 OCCASION TO BE MEETING WITH 2943 01:33:04.003 --> 01:33:06.007 PEOPLE >> AND HEARING 2944 01:33:06.007 --> 01:33:08.009 CONVERSATIONS OR DISCUSSIONS 2945 01:33:08.009 --> 01:33:10.013 FROM WHICH THEY MIGHT HAVE 2946 01:33:10.013 --> 01:33:11.016 SENSED THAT MAYBE SOME OF THESE 2947 01:33:11.016 --> 01:33:13.005 ISSUES WERE NEEDED TO BE 2948 01:33:13.005 --> 01:33:16.018 REVISITED. SO WE HAVE A 2949 01:33:16.018 --> 01:33:26.013 SITUATION IN WHICH THE JUNE 2950 01:33:26.013 --> 01:33:28.012 SECOND >> MEETING ARRIVES AND 2951 01:33:28.012 --> 01:33:31.010 THE CITY ATTORNEY BACK IN APRIL 2952 01:33:31.010 --> 01:33:33.023 THE OFFICE FEELS THAT THEY HAVE 2953 01:33:33.023 --> 01:33:35.026 COME TO THE CONCLUSION 2954 01:33:35.026 --> 01:33:36.000 RIGHTFULLY THAT THESE ISSUES 2955 01:33:36.000 --> 01:33:39.000 OF STANDARDIZATION ARE 2956 01:33:39.000 --> 01:33:40.007 PROPRIETARY SPECS AS WELL AS 2957 01:33:40.007 --> 01:33:43.018 COMMUNICATIONS WITH CISCO WERE 2958 01:33:43.018 --> 01:33:44.006 NOT >> ISSUES AND THAT IS WHY 2959 01:33:44.006 --> 01:33:48.016 WE FEEL THAT THE ADVICE OR THE 2960 01:33:48.016 --> 01:33:51.029 ANSWERS THAT WERE GIVEN TO THE 2961 01:33:51.029 --> 01:33:52.012 COUNCIL ABOUT >> CONFLICTS 2962 01:33:52.012 --> 01:33:55.029 AT THAT MEETING WERE A BASED ON 2963 01:33:55.029 --> 01:33:58.005 >> THE INFORMATION THEY HAD 2964 01:33:58.005 --> 01:34:01.011 THAT THE OFFICE HAD AVAILABLE 2965 01:34:01.011 --> 01:34:02.027 TO IT. >> NOW ONE IN HINDSIGHT 2966 01:34:02.027 --> 01:34:05.006 COULD LOOK BACK SAY COULD HAVE 2967 01:34:05.006 --> 01:34:07.019 SHOULD HAVE MIGHT THEY HAVE 2968 01:34:07.019 --> 01:34:09.024 DONE MORE AND THAT'S THAT'S AN 2969 01:34:09.024 --> 01:34:14.024 ISSUE THAT THAT WE ALL NEED TO 2970 01:34:14.024 --> 01:34:16.014 WRESTLE WITH. BUT IN TERMS 2971 01:34:16.014 --> 01:34:18.023 OF DISCHARGING PROFESSIONAL 2972 01:34:18.023 --> 01:34:19.015 RESPONSIBILITY I FEEL THAT AN 2973 01:34:19.015 --> 01:34:22.018 ATTORNEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO RELY 2974 01:34:22.018 --> 01:34:24.022 ON REPRESENTATIONS FROM THEIR 2975 01:34:24.022 --> 01:34:26.011 IMMEDIATE COLLEAGUES AND STAFF. 2976 01:34:26.011 --> 01:34:29.020 IF NOT, I THINK IT IS VERY 2977 01:34:29.020 --> 01:34:31.008 DIFFICULT TO GET ANY JOB DONE 2978 01:34:31.008 --> 01:34:33.018 IF YOU HAVE TO ASSUME WITH 2979 01:34:33.018 --> 01:34:34.026 EVERY STATEMENT MADE THAT YOU 2980 01:34:34.026 --> 01:34:36.018 >> HAVE TO QUESTION OR 2981 01:34:36.018 --> 01:34:39.016 GO BEHIND >> THAT STATEMENT, 2982 01:34:39.016 --> 01:34:40.001 FIND OUT WHETHER THAT PERSON IS 2983 01:34:40.001 --> 01:34:42.013 >> TELLING THE TRUTH AND IT 2984 01:34:42.013 --> 01:34:43.016 WILL BE VERY DIFFICULT TO GET 2985 01:34:43.016 --> 01:34:44.013 ANY JOB COMPLETED. OKAY. THANK 2986 01:34:44.013 --> 01:34:50.013 YOU, JOE. AND I WOULD POINT OUT 2987 01:34:50.013 --> 01:34:52.028 TERMS OF YOU KNOW, I ASKED 2988 01:34:52.028 --> 01:34:54.014 GRETSCH SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE 2989 01:34:54.014 --> 01:34:56.026 EXCHANGE YOU KNOW, WITH RICK 2990 01:34:56.026 --> 01:34:58.012 DOYLE ON THAT DAY AND I TOLD 2991 01:34:58.012 --> 01:35:00.017 HER, YOU KNOW, SHE UNDERSTOOD 2992 01:35:00.017 --> 01:35:01.005 SPECIFICALLY WHAT MR. DOYLE'S 2993 01:35:01.005 --> 01:35:03.014 VERSION OF THAT CONVERSATION 2994 01:35:03.014 --> 01:35:05.009 WAS >> AND AND THE THING THAT 2995 01:35:05.009 --> 01:35:08.019 >> SORT OF, YOU KNOW, TIPPED IN 2996 01:35:08.019 --> 01:35:13.007 FAVOR OF OF WEIGHING MR. 2997 01:35:13.007 --> 01:35:16.026 DOYLE'S, YOU KNOW, VERSION 2998 01:35:16.026 --> 01:35:17.027 OF EVENTS MORE CREDIBLE WAS >> 2999 01:35:17.027 --> 01:35:20.024 SHE HAD EXPLAINED >> TO ME THAT 3000 01:35:20.024 --> 01:35:22.000 THERE WAS IN FACT NOTHING THAT 3001 01:35:22.000 --> 01:35:25.009 SHE FOUND WRONG WITH HER 3002 01:35:25.009 --> 01:35:26.023 INTERACTIONS AND COMMUNICATIONS 3003 01:35:26.023 --> 01:35:27.015 WITH CISCO. AND SO >> MY FOLLOW 3004 01:35:27.015 --> 01:35:31.007 UP QUESTION TO HER WAS WELL, IF 3005 01:35:31.007 --> 01:35:33.005 IN FACT YOU WEREN'T CONCERNED 3006 01:35:33.005 --> 01:35:35.009 OR YOU DIDN'T BELIEVE THAT WHAT 3007 01:35:35.009 --> 01:35:36.009 YOU WERE DOING WITH CISCO WAS 3008 01:35:36.009 --> 01:35:37.024 INAPPROPRIATE OR A PROBLEM, 3009 01:35:37.024 --> 01:35:39.001 THEN WHY DIDN'T YOU ANSWER THE 3010 01:35:39.001 --> 01:35:41.015 QUESTION? YES. IF YOU'RE 3011 01:35:41.015 --> 01:35:44.005 TALKING TO CISCO AND IN YOUR 3012 01:35:44.005 --> 01:35:46.001 MIND YOU DON'T BELIEVE THAT'S A 3013 01:35:46.001 --> 01:35:47.005 PROBLEM, WHY DON'T YOU ANSWER 3014 01:35:47.005 --> 01:35:48.024 THAT QUESTION? YES WHY THE 3015 01:35:48.024 --> 01:35:49.007 ANSWER >> NOT ANY INAPPROPRIATE 3016 01:35:49.007 --> 01:35:52.016 COMMUNICATIONS. WHAT WOULD BE 3017 01:35:52.016 --> 01:35:53.002 AN INAPPROPRIATE COMMUNICATION 3018 01:35:53.002 --> 01:35:55.026 UNDER THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES IF 3019 01:35:55.026 --> 01:35:56.001 IT'S A COMMUNICATION WITH CISCO 3020 01:35:56.001 --> 01:35:58.010 ABOUT >> SOME OTHER PROJECT IN 3021 01:35:58.010 --> 01:35:59.026 THE CONVERGED >> NETWORK, 3022 01:35:59.026 --> 01:36:00.007 THAT'S CLEARLY OKAY. THERE'S NO 3023 01:36:00.007 --> 01:36:02.018 PROBLEM WITH THAT. AND YOU'VE 3024 01:36:02.018 --> 01:36:04.018 TOLD ME THAT WHAT YOU BELIEVE 3025 01:36:04.018 --> 01:36:06.009 TO BE >> IN >> YOUR VIEW IS 3026 01:36:06.009 --> 01:36:10.005 APPROPRIATE. YOUR 3027 01:36:10.005 --> 01:36:11.014 COMMUNICATIONS INTERACTION WITH 3028 01:36:11.014 --> 01:36:12.028 CISCO WITH RESPECT TO THIS 3029 01:36:12.028 --> 01:36:13.023 PARTICULAR PROCESS. SO THERE'S 3030 01:36:13.023 --> 01:36:15.013 NOTHING YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T SEE 3031 01:36:15.013 --> 01:36:17.001 THAT IS INAPPROPRIATE. SO WHAT 3032 01:36:17.001 --> 01:36:19.010 SORT OF COMMUNICATIONS WOULD IT 3033 01:36:19.010 --> 01:36:20.018 POSSIBLY BE UNDER THOSE 3034 01:36:20.018 --> 01:36:21.011 CIRCUMSTANCES BECAUSE 3035 01:36:21.011 --> 01:36:23.024 EVERYTHING WOULD BE OKAY AND 3036 01:36:23.024 --> 01:36:25.000 THE IDEA OF SAYING THAT YES, 3037 01:36:25.000 --> 01:36:27.025 I'M TALKING TO CISCO WOULD NOT 3038 01:36:27.025 --> 01:36:28.018 PRESENT ANY PROBLEM WHATSOEVER. 3039 01:36:28.018 --> 01:36:30.017 YES, I'M TALKING TO THEM 3040 01:36:30.017 --> 01:36:31.011 BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO GET 3041 01:36:31.011 --> 01:36:32.026 THIS PROJECT DONE AND >> I WAS 3042 01:36:32.026 --> 01:36:34.005 CONCERNED BECAUSE I VIEW THAT 3043 01:36:34.005 --> 01:36:37.016 WELL, YOU KNOW, YEAH, I THINK 3044 01:36:37.016 --> 01:36:38.014 ULTIMATELY, YOU KNOW, WE CAME 3045 01:36:38.014 --> 01:36:39.018 TO THE CONCLUSION THAT THAT WAS 3046 01:36:39.018 --> 01:36:40.005 A DISCONNECT AS WHAT THAT 3047 01:36:40.005 --> 01:36:42.010 EVIDENCE SAID IF IN FACT SHE 3048 01:36:42.010 --> 01:36:43.013 REALLY BELIEVED THAT WHAT SHE 3049 01:36:43.013 --> 01:36:44.025 WAS DOING WAS OKAY AND THERE 3050 01:36:44.025 --> 01:36:45.002 WOULD BE NO REASON TO ANSWER 3051 01:36:45.002 --> 01:36:47.021 THAT QUESTION NOT 3052 01:36:47.021 --> 01:36:47.023 INAPPROPRIATE. LIKEWISE, THE 3053 01:36:47.023 --> 01:36:49.018 STATEMENTS THAT WERE MADE 3054 01:36:49.018 --> 01:36:50.004 DURING COURSE OF THE JUNE 22ND 3055 01:36:50.004 --> 01:36:52.009 MEETING WHICH WAS SORT 3056 01:36:52.009 --> 01:36:54.022 OF CONSISTENT WAS JUST WHAT THE 3057 01:36:54.022 --> 01:36:56.018 EVIDENCE WE GOT ON THAT WAS 3058 01:36:56.018 --> 01:36:57.022 JUST NOT CONSISTENT AS WELL TO 3059 01:36:57.022 --> 01:36:59.025 AN IDEA OR YOU KNOW, WE WERE 3060 01:36:59.025 --> 01:37:01.016 LED TO BELIEVE OR THE STATEMENT 3061 01:37:01.016 --> 01:37:03.027 WAS MADE IS THAT THAT STATEMENT 3062 01:37:03.027 --> 01:37:04.025 RESPONDED TO 3063 01:37:04.025 --> 01:37:06.006 COUNCILMEMBER YEAGER'S QUESTION 3064 01:37:06.006 --> 01:37:08.008 VIS A VIS 3065 01:37:08.008 --> 01:37:09.013 COUNCILMEMBER ELIZONDO QUESTION 3066 01:37:09.013 --> 01:37:10.012 AND THE QUESTION BEING ASKED 3067 01:37:10.012 --> 01:37:11.018 FOR THAT POINT IS IS THIS 3068 01:37:11.018 --> 01:37:12.013 PROCESS CLEAN? AND HER RESPONSE 3069 01:37:12.013 --> 01:37:14.016 WAS ESSENTIALLY SAYING THAT 3070 01:37:14.016 --> 01:37:16.009 THERE HAVE BEEN NO 3071 01:37:16.009 --> 01:37:17.007 COMMUNICATIONS WITH CISCO SINCE 3072 01:37:17.007 --> 01:37:19.016 WE STARTED THIS EVALUATION 3073 01:37:19.016 --> 01:37:20.013 PROCESS. WELL, THE MAY 14TH 3074 01:37:20.013 --> 01:37:22.027 MEETING WAS CERTAINLY DIFFERENT 3075 01:37:22.027 --> 01:37:23.009 THAN THAT AND THERE WAS A 3076 01:37:23.009 --> 01:37:25.020 NUMBER OF OTHER COMMUNICATIONS 3077 01:37:25.020 --> 01:37:26.007 WHICH ARE YOU KNOW, CHRONICLED 3078 01:37:26.007 --> 01:37:30.017 IN >> THE CITY AUDITOR CITY 3079 01:37:30.017 --> 01:37:31.021 ATTORNEY OFFICES IN THIS RECORD 3080 01:37:31.021 --> 01:37:34.012 OF INVESTIGATION AS WELL TOO. 3081 01:37:34.012 --> 01:37:36.020 AND SO WE JUST WERE NOT 3082 01:37:36.020 --> 01:37:38.027 PREPARED TO ACCEPT HER 3083 01:37:38.027 --> 01:37:40.008 STATEMENT THAT SHE TOLD RICK 3084 01:37:40.008 --> 01:37:43.017 DOYLE THAT THERE WERE NO 3085 01:37:43.017 --> 01:37:44.006 INAPPROPRIATE COMMUNICATIONS 3086 01:37:44.006 --> 01:37:46.027 AND THAT WAS THE END OF THEIR 3087 01:37:46.027 --> 01:37:46.024 CONVERSATION. THE >> FINAL 3088 01:37:46.024 --> 01:37:48.020 ISSUE I JUST WANTED TO ADDRESS 3089 01:37:48.020 --> 01:37:50.027 BRIEFLY AND PERHAPS AND YOU'LL 3090 01:37:50.027 --> 01:37:52.012 SEE IF THERE'S QUESTIONS OR IF 3091 01:37:52.012 --> 01:37:54.013 THERE ARE ANY COMMENTS THAT 3092 01:37:54.013 --> 01:37:55.020 OCCURRED ONCE AND IN THAT 3093 01:37:55.020 --> 01:37:56.005 REGARDS CISCO, WE SPENT, YOU 3094 01:37:56.005 --> 01:37:59.009 KNOW, A YOU KNOW, SOME TIME 3095 01:37:59.009 --> 01:38:02.008 LOOKING INTO THE COURSE OF THE 3096 01:38:02.008 --> 01:38:04.011 COMMUNICATIONS AND YOUR NOT 3097 01:38:04.011 --> 01:38:05.025 ONLY WHAT HAD BEEN DISCOVERED 3098 01:38:05.025 --> 01:38:06.014 OR UNCOVERED BY THE CITY OFFICE 3099 01:38:06.014 --> 01:38:09.022 BUT YOU KNOW, WE ATTEMPTED TO 3100 01:38:09.022 --> 01:38:10.016 GO BEYOND THAT WE LOOK WE 3101 01:38:10.016 --> 01:38:12.017 REQUESTED AND LOOKED 3102 01:38:12.017 --> 01:38:13.000 AT ADDITIONAL EMAILS. WE LOOKED 3103 01:38:13.000 --> 01:38:15.015 AT PHONE RECORDS THAT WE 3104 01:38:15.015 --> 01:38:16.021 OBTAINED FROM THEM TO SORT 3105 01:38:16.021 --> 01:38:17.018 OF SEE WHAT THE LEVEL 3106 01:38:17.018 --> 01:38:18.029 OF COMMUNITY OR INTERACTIONS 3107 01:38:18.029 --> 01:38:19.006 BETWEEN THEIR PHONE NUMBERS AND 3108 01:38:19.006 --> 01:38:21.029 THE CITY PHONE NUMBERS WERE 3109 01:38:21.029 --> 01:38:22.007 WITH RESPECT TO >> THAT AND 3110 01:38:22.007 --> 01:38:24.014 ALSO TRY TO GAIN A LITTLE BIT 3111 01:38:24.014 --> 01:38:25.000 MORE CLARITY WITH REGARD TO 3112 01:38:25.000 --> 01:38:27.005 THIS LETTER THAT HAD BEEN 3113 01:38:27.005 --> 01:38:28.019 PREPARED ON APRIL 9TH WHICH 3114 01:38:28.019 --> 01:38:30.015 CISCO BROUGHT TO THE ATTENTION 3115 01:38:30.015 --> 01:38:32.001 OF THE CITY AUDITOR IN THE 3116 01:38:32.001 --> 01:38:34.009 COURSE OF THEIR INVESTIGATION 3117 01:38:34.009 --> 01:38:35.000 AS WELL TO IN OUR CONCLUSION, 3118 01:38:35.000 --> 01:38:37.024 YOU KNOW, IS ESSENTIALLY THAT 3119 01:38:37.024 --> 01:38:37.026 WE DON'T FIND THAT YOU KNOW, 3120 01:38:37.026 --> 01:38:38.003 THE CISCO'S INTERACTIONS IN 3121 01:38:38.003 --> 01:38:41.026 THIS INSTANCE, YOU KNOW, WERE 3122 01:38:41.026 --> 01:38:42.009 INAPPROPRIATE. YOU KNOW, WE 3123 01:38:42.009 --> 01:38:44.010 DETERMINED THAT, YOU KNOW, IT 3124 01:38:44.010 --> 01:38:45.026 WAS CLEAR THAT CISCO, YOU KNOW, 3125 01:38:45.026 --> 01:38:46.022 HAD HAD BEEN, YOU KNOW, HEAVILY 3126 01:38:46.022 --> 01:38:50.018 INVOLVED WAS REPORTED IN THE 3127 01:38:50.018 --> 01:38:52.016 CITY AUDITOR'S REPORT. WE ALSO 3128 01:38:52.016 --> 01:38:55.000 BELIEVE THAT THAT SUPPORT WAS 3129 01:38:55.000 --> 01:38:58.007 AT THE REQUEST OF CITY STAFF. 3130 01:38:58.007 --> 01:39:00.018 IT WAS PROVIDED IN RESPONSE TO 3131 01:39:00.018 --> 01:39:02.001 WHAT THE CITY HAD INDICATED TO 3132 01:39:02.001 --> 01:39:04.016 CISCO THAT IT REQUIRED AND 3133 01:39:04.016 --> 01:39:06.028 THERE WERE CERTAINLY THINGS OR 3134 01:39:06.028 --> 01:39:07.028 PROCEDURES WHICH COULD HAVE 3135 01:39:07.028 --> 01:39:08.008 BEEN FOLLOWED TO MAKE THAT 3136 01:39:08.008 --> 01:39:10.010 PROCESS LESS OF A PROBLEM GOING 3137 01:39:10.010 --> 01:39:12.012 FORWARD. BUT WE FOUND IN LARGE 3138 01:39:12.012 --> 01:39:14.006 PART THAT THOSE WERE ISSUES FOR 3139 01:39:14.006 --> 01:39:16.010 THE CITY TO DEAL WITH AS 3140 01:39:16.010 --> 01:39:17.013 OPPOSED TO CISCO AND I DON'T 3141 01:39:17.013 --> 01:39:18.024 KNOW IF THERE'S ANYTHING YOU'D 3142 01:39:18.024 --> 01:39:19.010 WANT TO ADD TO THAT PARTICULAR 3143 01:39:19.010 --> 01:39:21.016 >> I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING 3144 01:39:21.016 --> 01:39:24.023 FURTHER TO ADD, MIKE, OTHER 3145 01:39:24.023 --> 01:39:25.000 THAN DARREN DURING THE 3146 01:39:25.000 --> 01:39:27.026 INVESTIGATION CISCO COOPERATED. 3147 01:39:27.026 --> 01:39:29.029 IT WAS HELPFUL PROVIDING 3148 01:39:29.029 --> 01:39:30.011 DOCUMENTS WHEN WE ASKED FOR 3149 01:39:30.011 --> 01:39:32.007 THEM AND PROVIDED NUMEROUS 3150 01:39:32.007 --> 01:39:34.002 WITNESSES AND WOULD WOULD CALL 3151 01:39:34.002 --> 01:39:36.029 THEM BACK WHEN WE HAD 3152 01:39:36.029 --> 01:39:36.008 ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS AND SINCE 3153 01:39:36.008 --> 01:39:39.019 THEN THEY'VE UNDERGONE THEIR 3154 01:39:39.019 --> 01:39:40.008 OWN INVESTIGATION AS WELL AND 3155 01:39:40.008 --> 01:39:43.015 SO THEY'VE TAKEN THE PROCESS 3156 01:39:43.015 --> 01:39:44.020 SERIOUSLY AND AND HAVE BEEN 3157 01:39:44.020 --> 01:39:47.014 HELPFUL. SO UNLESS THERE ARE 3158 01:39:47.014 --> 01:39:53.002 ANY QUESTION ANY ADDITIONAL 3159 01:39:53.002 --> 01:39:55.009 QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME THAT >> 3160 01:39:55.009 --> 01:39:56.021 WOULD CONCLUDE OUR 3161 01:39:56.021 --> 01:39:57.019 PRESENTATION. ALL RIGHT. THANK 3162 01:39:57.019 --> 01:39:58.007 YOU, MR. MOYE AND YOUR 3163 01:39:58.007 --> 01:40:00.026 COLLEAGUES FOR THEIR 3164 01:40:00.026 --> 01:40:00.027 PRESENTATION, AS I MENTIONED 3165 01:40:00.027 --> 01:40:02.005 AT THE BEGINNING WILL ALLOW THE 3166 01:40:02.005 --> 01:40:04.025 CITY MANAGER TO MAKE HIS 3167 01:40:04.025 --> 01:40:05.027 PRESENTATION NOW AND THEN WE'LL 3168 01:40:05.027 --> 01:40:07.015 JUST GIVE YOU A HEADS UP TO 3169 01:40:07.015 --> 01:40:09.005 MY THAT WILL TAKE YOUR 3170 01:40:09.005 --> 01:40:10.023 QUESTIONS ONCE MR. SERVES TIME. 3171 01:40:10.023 --> 01:40:12.009 YEAH. >> THANK I THINK I CAN DO 3172 01:40:12.009 --> 01:40:15.005 THIS BEST SIMPLY BY PROVIDING 3173 01:40:15.005 --> 01:40:17.011 SOME CONTEXT AND SOME 3174 01:40:17.011 --> 01:40:19.020 ADDITIONAL PERSPECTIVE TO MR. 3175 01:40:19.020 --> 01:40:20.022 MOYER'S REPORT. IT MIGHT BE 3176 01:40:20.022 --> 01:40:22.020 MORE CONVENIENT TO JUST WORK 3177 01:40:22.020 --> 01:40:24.014 BACKWARDS FROM WHERE THEY LEFT 3178 01:40:24.014 --> 01:40:26.015 OFF THE END. PART OF THEIR 3179 01:40:26.015 --> 01:40:28.023 PRESENTATION FOCUSED A GOOD 3180 01:40:28.023 --> 01:40:29.017 DEAL ON THE PRESENTATION OF THE 3181 01:40:29.017 --> 01:40:32.011 MEMO FROM BRIAN DOYLE AND THE 3182 01:40:32.011 --> 01:40:34.010 VARIOUS PLACES IT WENT OVER 3183 01:40:34.010 --> 01:40:36.018 TIME. I THINK THE MOST 3184 01:40:36.018 --> 01:40:38.023 IMPORTANT OBSERVATION I WOULD 3185 01:40:38.023 --> 01:40:39.005 HAVE IS THAT IT WENT >> TO THE 3186 01:40:39.005 --> 01:40:42.004 CITY ATTORNEY RICK DOYLE AND 3187 01:40:42.004 --> 01:40:44.003 PRECIPITATED BY HIM >> SOME 3188 01:40:44.003 --> 01:40:47.013 WITH ROGER GRETCH, THE CIO, THE 3189 01:40:47.013 --> 01:40:52.007 EMAIL >> THAT MR. MOYER 3190 01:40:52.007 --> 01:40:54.003 MENTIONED HAS AT LEAST THREE 3191 01:40:54.003 --> 01:40:57.005 VERSIONS THAT I'VE SEEN DURING 3192 01:40:57.005 --> 01:40:58.021 THE COURSE OF THIS 3193 01:40:58.021 --> 01:40:58.007 INVESTIGATION. ONE IS THE 3194 01:40:58.007 --> 01:41:00.008 INITIAL EMAIL THAT THAT BRIAN 3195 01:41:00.008 --> 01:41:02.015 SENT TO ROGER AND COPIED RICK 3196 01:41:02.015 --> 01:41:04.006 AND THE SECOND TO HAVE EMBEDDED 3197 01:41:04.006 --> 01:41:08.008 IN THE COMMENTS COMMENTS BY 3198 01:41:08.008 --> 01:41:10.003 ROGER GRETSCH RESPONDING TO THE 3199 01:41:10.003 --> 01:41:12.001 POINTS THAT RICK THAT BRIAN 3200 01:41:12.001 --> 01:41:15.026 DOYLE HAD RAISED THE POINT 3201 01:41:15.026 --> 01:41:17.019 OF THAT RECITATION IS TO SAY 3202 01:41:17.019 --> 01:41:19.009 THOSE CONCERNS I THINK WERE 3203 01:41:19.009 --> 01:41:21.013 CLEARLY ARTICULATED FROM BRIAN 3204 01:41:21.013 --> 01:41:23.023 TO RICK. IF WILL IN THE CITY 3205 01:41:23.023 --> 01:41:24.014 ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND THEN FROM 3206 01:41:24.014 --> 01:41:26.012 RICK TO THE CIO. AND I THINK 3207 01:41:26.012 --> 01:41:29.024 JOHN ACCURATELY SAID THAT IN 3208 01:41:29.024 --> 01:41:30.029 THE COURSE OF THAT DISCUSSION 3209 01:41:30.029 --> 01:41:31.027 >> IF REASSURED HE AT LEAST WAS 3210 01:41:31.027 --> 01:41:35.018 IN COMPLETE GRASP OF THE 3211 01:41:35.018 --> 01:41:37.009 ANSWERS AS SHE PROVIDED THEM 3212 01:41:37.009 --> 01:41:39.024 AND THE VIEW THAT SHE BROUGHT 3213 01:41:39.024 --> 01:41:40.018 TO THAT ISSUE, I SAY >> THAT 3214 01:41:40.018 --> 01:41:42.010 BECAUSE MOST OF THESE ISSUES 3215 01:41:42.010 --> 01:41:45.029 WERE SHORTLY AFTER THE RFP WAS 3216 01:41:45.029 --> 01:41:47.007 RELEASED IN MARCH AND AT THE 3217 01:41:47.007 --> 01:41:51.015 BEGINNING OF THE PROCESS THAT 3218 01:41:51.015 --> 01:41:54.019 WE WENT THROUGH FOR THE RFP 3219 01:41:54.019 --> 01:41:56.011 THAT LED TO THE ULTIMATE 3220 01:41:56.011 --> 01:41:58.003 RECOMMENDATION OF A CONTRACT 3221 01:41:58.003 --> 01:42:00.017 FOR INSTALLATION OF THE 3222 01:42:00.017 --> 01:42:01.019 CONVERGED NETWORK TO UNISYS 3223 01:42:01.019 --> 01:42:03.027 THERE WAS SUBSTANTIAL 3224 01:42:03.027 --> 01:42:04.011 ADDITIONAL WORK BETWEEN THAT >> 3225 01:42:04.011 --> 01:42:07.023 PERIOD OF TIME WHICH WOULD HAVE 3226 01:42:07.023 --> 01:42:08.016 BEEN IN EARLY APRIL AND THE 3227 01:42:08.016 --> 01:42:10.021 JUNE 22ND MEETING THAT REVOLVED 3228 01:42:10.021 --> 01:42:13.002 ALMOST ENTIRELY AROUND THE 3229 01:42:13.002 --> 01:42:16.020 SELECTION PROCESS. THE 3230 01:42:16.020 --> 01:42:17.012 COMPETITION AMONG THE SIX FIRMS 3231 01:42:17.012 --> 01:42:19.008 THAT PROPOSED THE FINALS 3232 01:42:19.008 --> 01:42:21.016 BETWEEN UNISYS AND NOR STAN A 3233 01:42:21.016 --> 01:42:24.015 GOOD DEAL OF WORK AT THE RICK 3234 01:42:24.015 --> 01:42:26.001 AND I BOTH ATTEND CALL THE 3235 01:42:26.001 --> 01:42:28.012 AGENDA REVIEW MEETING BUT WORK 3236 01:42:28.012 --> 01:42:30.013 THAT INVOLVED THE PROCESS THE 3237 01:42:30.013 --> 01:42:34.005 INSERTION OF A PEER REVIEW INTO 3238 01:42:34.005 --> 01:42:36.014 THAT PROCESS AND LED TO OUR 3239 01:42:36.014 --> 01:42:38.009 JOINT CONCLUSION ON JUNE 22ND 3240 01:42:38.009 --> 01:42:40.001 AND A CONCLUSION WAS 3241 01:42:40.001 --> 01:42:42.027 SUBSEQUENTLY SHARED BY MR. 3242 01:42:42.027 --> 01:42:43.009 SILVA AND MR. DOYLE AND THEIR 3243 01:42:43.009 --> 01:42:45.014 AUDIT THAT THAT PROCESS WAS 3244 01:42:45.014 --> 01:42:47.020 FAIR AND LED TO AN OBJECTIVE 3245 01:42:47.020 --> 01:42:49.010 CONCLUSION. THAT'S THE PROCESS 3246 01:42:49.010 --> 01:42:51.003 THAT LED THE POTENTIAL CONTRACT 3247 01:42:51.003 --> 01:42:53.009 WITH UNISYS THAT WAS 3248 01:42:53.009 --> 01:42:54.026 SUBSEQUENTLY NOT EXECUTED. MR. 3249 01:42:54.026 --> 01:42:56.010 MOYER'S >> CORRECT. THE THE 3250 01:42:56.010 --> 01:42:58.017 EMAIL FROM MR. DOYLE >> THAT 3251 01:42:58.017 --> 01:43:00.011 ALSO HAS MOST RICHARD'S 3252 01:43:00.011 --> 01:43:02.000 RESPONSES IN IT CAME TO 3253 01:43:02.000 --> 01:43:05.028 MY OFFICE TO MY KNOWLEDGE 3254 01:43:05.028 --> 01:43:05.007 LOOKING BACK THROUGH THE 3255 01:43:05.007 --> 01:43:07.019 DOCUMENTS IN THE INVESTIGATION 3256 01:43:07.019 --> 01:43:08.024 ON MAY 21ST IT CAME TO MARK 3257 01:43:08.024 --> 01:43:10.010 LINDER AND HE REACHED THE 3258 01:43:10.010 --> 01:43:12.010 IDENTICAL CONCLUSION READING 3259 01:43:12.010 --> 01:43:14.000 THE EMAIL THAT MR. DOYLE 3260 01:43:14.000 --> 01:43:16.016 REACHED IN HIS CONVERSATION 3261 01:43:16.016 --> 01:43:17.018 WITH MR. RICH AND THAT THAT 3262 01:43:17.018 --> 01:43:19.008 THAT THOSE CONCERNS THAT WERE 3263 01:43:19.008 --> 01:43:21.014 RAISED HAD BEEN RESOLVED. I 3264 01:43:21.014 --> 01:43:23.018 THINK THERE'S FURTHER EVIDENCE 3265 01:43:23.018 --> 01:43:25.021 OF THAT IN THE FACT THAT THE 3266 01:43:25.021 --> 01:43:26.005 AGENDA ITEM THE STAFF REPORT 3267 01:43:26.005 --> 01:43:28.011 THAT CAME FORWARD FOR ACTION ON 3268 01:43:28.011 --> 01:43:29.023 JUNE 22ND CAME FORWARD JOINTLY 3269 01:43:29.023 --> 01:43:31.002 WITH THE CONCURRENCE >> OF THE 3270 01:43:31.002 --> 01:43:34.010 CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AS WELL 3271 01:43:34.010 --> 01:43:35.019 AS MY OFFICE AND IN EFFECT RICK 3272 01:43:35.019 --> 01:43:37.027 AND I PERSONALLY AT THAT 3273 01:43:37.027 --> 01:43:38.010 MEETING. SO THERE'S A CONTEXT 3274 01:43:38.010 --> 01:43:41.005 ABOUT THAT EMAIL AND ALTHOUGH 3275 01:43:41.005 --> 01:43:43.002 IT WENT ON TO BECOME THE 3276 01:43:43.002 --> 01:43:45.004 SUBJECT OF NEWSPAPER STORIES 3277 01:43:45.004 --> 01:43:47.024 WAS ENHANCED TO A FULL BLOWN I 3278 01:43:47.024 --> 01:43:49.023 WOULD CALL IT LIKE A 3279 01:43:49.023 --> 01:43:50.026 WHITE PAPER OR A RESEARCH PAPER 3280 01:43:50.026 --> 01:43:51.021 BY BRIAN >> ITS SIGNIFICANCE IN 3281 01:43:51.021 --> 01:43:54.021 THE CONTEXT >> OF THE APRIL-MAY 3282 01:43:54.021 --> 01:43:56.011 TIMEFRAME HAD TO DO WITH 3283 01:43:56.011 --> 01:43:58.019 PROCESS CONCERNS 3284 01:43:58.019 --> 01:43:59.005 STANDARDIZATION CONCERNS AS 3285 01:43:59.005 --> 01:44:01.020 WELL REVIEWED A NUMBER OF OTHER 3286 01:44:01.020 --> 01:44:03.011 ITEMS THAT WERE RESOLVED IN 3287 01:44:03.011 --> 01:44:05.026 ADVANCE OF THE COUNCIL TAKING 3288 01:44:05.026 --> 01:44:06.010 ACTION ON JUNE 22ND. I THINK IT 3289 01:44:06.010 --> 01:44:09.009 WAS WITH ABUNDANT RELIANCE ON 3290 01:44:09.009 --> 01:44:11.012 THE CREDIBILITY AND THE 3291 01:44:11.012 --> 01:44:12.014 COMPETENCE AND THE ARTICULATION 3292 01:44:12.014 --> 01:44:15.018 OF THE CIO AS TO WHAT THE 3293 01:44:15.018 --> 01:44:16.011 ISSUES WERE IN THAT RESOLUTION. 3294 01:44:16.011 --> 01:44:18.028 THE CONFIDENCE THAT HAS TURNED 3295 01:44:18.028 --> 01:44:19.024 OUT TO HAVE BEEN EITHER 3296 01:44:19.024 --> 01:44:21.001 OVERSTATED OR MISPLACED BY 3297 01:44:21.001 --> 01:44:24.025 ME AND OTHERS. THE SECOND 3298 01:44:24.025 --> 01:44:25.019 CATEGORY OF ISSUES THAT I'D 3299 01:44:25.019 --> 01:44:27.022 LIKE TO GIVE YOU SOME CONTEXT 3300 01:44:27.022 --> 01:44:28.006 TO AND I PROVIDED IT IN WRITING 3301 01:44:28.006 --> 01:44:31.001 TO MR. MOYER IN HIS OFFICE TO 3302 01:44:31.001 --> 01:44:33.021 THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL AND 3303 01:44:33.021 --> 01:44:34.015 THE REPORTER WHO WROTE THE 3304 01:44:34.015 --> 01:44:36.015 STORY TODAY IS THE ISSUE OF THE 3305 01:44:36.015 --> 01:44:38.029 MAY 14TH MEETING BETWEEN MYSELF 3306 01:44:38.029 --> 01:44:40.019 AND DOUG DONLON OF SYSCO AND 3307 01:44:40.019 --> 01:44:44.011 THE WHAT I THINK AND MR. MOY IN 3308 01:44:44.011 --> 01:44:47.015 HIS PRESENTATION SUGGESTED THAT 3309 01:44:47.015 --> 01:44:49.004 HIS REPORT MIGHT HAVE BEEN MORE 3310 01:44:49.004 --> 01:44:51.018 COMPLETE IN TERMS OF ALL OF THE 3311 01:44:51.018 --> 01:44:52.018 COMPONENTS OF THE CONTEXT THAT 3312 01:44:52.018 --> 01:44:54.020 I PROVIDED TO HIM. I'D LIKE TO 3313 01:44:54.020 --> 01:44:56.026 HIGHLIGHT JUST ONE OR TWO 3314 01:44:56.026 --> 01:44:57.018 OF THOSE THE EMAIL >> THAT SETS 3315 01:44:57.018 --> 01:45:01.022 FORTH PURPOSE OF THE MEETING 3316 01:45:01.022 --> 01:45:03.012 WAS PROVIDED AND IS NOT 3317 01:45:03.012 --> 01:45:05.028 HIGHLIGHTED IN THE REPORT OR 3318 01:45:05.028 --> 01:45:06.013 THE VERBAL REPORT. I'D LIKE TO 3319 01:45:06.013 --> 01:45:08.013 SIMPLY READ IT TO YOU. IT SAYS 3320 01:45:08.013 --> 01:45:10.002 DOUG DONLIN IS CISCO'S SENIOR 3321 01:45:10.002 --> 01:45:12.024 VP FOR THE US. HE'S HEARD ABOUT 3322 01:45:12.024 --> 01:45:13.016 THE ONE VOICE PROJECT THAT IBM 3323 01:45:13.016 --> 01:45:16.023 SRG THAT'S INTERNET BUSINESS 3324 01:45:16.023 --> 01:45:17.010 SYSTEMS GROUP PETER PENFIELD 3325 01:45:17.010 --> 01:45:19.001 FROM CISCO HAS BEEN WORKING ON 3326 01:45:19.001 --> 01:45:21.024 AND WANTS TO REINFORCE CISCO'S 3327 01:45:21.024 --> 01:45:22.012 COMMITMENT AND ALLIANCE WITH 3328 01:45:22.012 --> 01:45:24.026 THE CITY OF SAN JOSE AND IS 3329 01:45:24.026 --> 01:45:25.026 COMMITTED ON DOING WHATEVER HE 3330 01:45:25.026 --> 01:45:26.015 CAN TO SUPPORT OUR EFFORTS TO 3331 01:45:26.015 --> 01:45:28.021 BE TECHNICALLY ASTUTE AND TO 3332 01:45:28.021 --> 01:45:29.015 SHOWCASE HE'S ALSO AWARE OF THE 3333 01:45:29.015 --> 01:45:31.028 CITY'S INITIATIVE BUSINESS 3334 01:45:31.028 --> 01:45:32.025 APPRECIATION EFFORT THROUGH THE 3335 01:45:32.025 --> 01:45:34.010 OFFICE OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT 3336 01:45:34.010 --> 01:45:36.005 AND WOULD BE A KEY CONTACT FOR 3337 01:45:36.005 --> 01:45:38.003 DELL AND THE CITY AND THE 3338 01:45:38.003 --> 01:45:40.019 ATTENDEES THAT I REQUESTED WERE 3339 01:45:40.019 --> 01:45:42.021 PAUL FRANCO, THE DIRECTOR 3340 01:45:42.021 --> 01:45:43.006 OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. KIM 3341 01:45:43.006 --> 01:45:45.015 WALLACE ASSISTANT DIRECTOR 3342 01:45:45.015 --> 01:45:46.020 OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. JIM 3343 01:45:46.020 --> 01:45:47.025 HELMER THE DIRECTOR 3344 01:45:47.025 --> 01:45:48.002 OF TRANSPORTATION. KAY WEINER, 3345 01:45:48.002 --> 01:45:51.027 THE DEPUTY CITY MANAGER. AND 3346 01:45:51.027 --> 01:45:52.024 THE MEETING WAS, AS MR. MOYER 3347 01:45:52.024 --> 01:45:54.000 INDICATED ARRANGED BY CARMODY 3348 01:45:54.000 --> 01:45:57.015 HARPER OF CISCO THROUGH LOGIC 3349 01:45:57.015 --> 01:45:59.028 RICH'S OFFICE AND TOOK PLACE IN 3350 01:45:59.028 --> 01:46:01.012 MY OFFICE ON MAY 14TH. I ALSO 3351 01:46:01.012 --> 01:46:04.005 PROVIDED MY NOTES OF THAT 3352 01:46:04.005 --> 01:46:06.002 MEETING THAT ARE LITERALLY 3353 01:46:06.002 --> 01:46:08.021 WRITTEN ON THIS EMAIL TO MR. 3354 01:46:08.021 --> 01:46:09.024 MOYE WHICH HIGHLIGHT CISCO'S 3355 01:46:09.024 --> 01:46:11.025 ROLE AS THE BIGGEST EMPLOYER 3356 01:46:11.025 --> 01:46:13.014 TALKS ABOUT ISSUES AS PUBLIC 3357 01:46:13.014 --> 01:46:15.026 SAFETY, HOMELAND SECURITY AND 3358 01:46:15.026 --> 01:46:16.004 ONE VOICE TALKS ABOUT CISCO AS 3359 01:46:16.004 --> 01:46:19.009 AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT 3360 01:46:19.009 --> 01:46:20.028 PARTNER, TALKS ABOUT THE ROLE 3361 01:46:20.028 --> 01:46:21.002 OF THE CITY COUNCIL THROUGH THE 3362 01:46:21.002 --> 01:46:23.004 MAKING GOVERNMENT WORK BETTER 3363 01:46:23.004 --> 01:46:24.011 COMMITTEE AND HIGHLIGHTED 3364 01:46:24.011 --> 01:46:25.022 ISSUES OF LIVABILITY, 3365 01:46:25.022 --> 01:46:26.029 PARTNERSHIP AND CORPORATE 3366 01:46:26.029 --> 01:46:27.009 IDENTITY ALL KEY COMPONENTS 3367 01:46:27.009 --> 01:46:30.005 OF THE CITY'S CORPORATE 3368 01:46:30.005 --> 01:46:31.014 APPRECIATION INITIATIVE. I ALSO 3369 01:46:31.014 --> 01:46:33.002 INDICATED TO MOYER THAT MR. 3370 01:46:33.002 --> 01:46:35.003 DONILON'S NAME APPEARS IN 3371 01:46:35.003 --> 01:46:37.025 MY OFFICE A SECOND TIME BECAUSE 3372 01:46:37.025 --> 01:46:38.003 HE'S ONE OF THE EIGHT ACCOUNTS 3373 01:46:38.003 --> 01:46:41.013 THAT I WAS ASSIGNED UNDER THAT 3374 01:46:41.013 --> 01:46:42.018 CORPORATE APPRECIATION 3375 01:46:42.018 --> 01:46:43.017 INITIATIVE AND MR. GRECO AND I 3376 01:46:43.017 --> 01:46:45.022 WERE DUE TO HAVE A FOLLOW UP 3377 01:46:45.022 --> 01:46:46.010 MEETING WITH HIM ON JULY 1ST. 3378 01:46:46.010 --> 01:46:49.013 THE MEETING NEITHER IN ITS 3379 01:46:49.013 --> 01:46:50.023 INTENT NOR IN ITS CONTENT TO DO 3380 01:46:50.023 --> 01:46:52.001 WITH THE RFP OR THE CONVERGED 3381 01:46:52.001 --> 01:46:54.019 NETWORK. I ALSO PROVIDED THEM 3382 01:46:54.019 --> 01:46:55.008 WITH AN AGENDA OF THE MEETING 3383 01:46:55.008 --> 01:46:57.018 THAT WAS PREPARED BY CISCO THE 3384 01:46:57.018 --> 01:46:58.006 POWERPOINT SLIDE THEY USED TO 3385 01:46:58.006 --> 01:47:00.028 GUIDE THE DISCUSSION AND IN 3386 01:47:00.028 --> 01:47:01.018 MY COVER MEMO TO COUNSEL 3387 01:47:01.018 --> 01:47:03.011 HIGHLIGHTED THE RECOLLECTIONS 3388 01:47:03.011 --> 01:47:05.018 OF ALL OF THE >> CITY EMPLOYEES 3389 01:47:05.018 --> 01:47:06.011 ATTENDED THE MEETING. ALL 3390 01:47:06.011 --> 01:47:08.025 OF THOSE ARE CONSISTENT WITH 3391 01:47:08.025 --> 01:47:09.012 MINE SO I STRONGLY THAT THE ANY 3392 01:47:09.012 --> 01:47:13.003 EVIDENCE SUGGESTS THAT THIS 3393 01:47:13.003 --> 01:47:15.011 MEETING WAS RELATED TO THIS 3394 01:47:15.011 --> 01:47:16.008 SUBJECT IN TERMS OF THE 3395 01:47:16.008 --> 01:47:17.005 CONVERGED NETWORK, IT'S AS MR. 3396 01:47:17.005 --> 01:47:19.020 MOYE JUST DESCRIBED IT IN 3397 01:47:19.020 --> 01:47:20.021 TALKING VANJA GRETSCH HE HAD 3398 01:47:20.021 --> 01:47:23.027 INDICATED THAT WHY WOULD THERE 3399 01:47:23.027 --> 01:47:24.001 BE ANY REASON FOR HER NOT TO 3400 01:47:24.001 --> 01:47:26.028 ACKNOWLEDGE CONVERSATIONS WITH 3401 01:47:26.028 --> 01:47:27.024 CISCO IF THEY WEREN'T 3402 01:47:27.024 --> 01:47:28.000 INAPPROPRIATE? MINE WAS 3403 01:47:28.000 --> 01:47:30.010 CERTAINLY NOT INAPPROPRIATE YET 3404 01:47:30.010 --> 01:47:31.001 IT'S CLEARLY ACKNOWLEDGED IT'S 3405 01:47:31.001 --> 01:47:33.011 WELL DOCUMENTED. IT'S THE >> 3406 01:47:33.011 --> 01:47:35.009 CONTEXT WHICH IT OCCURRED AND 3407 01:47:35.009 --> 01:47:37.025 THE ONE VOICE PROJECT IS 3408 01:47:37.025 --> 01:47:38.018 GREATER IN LENGTH THAN THE 3409 01:47:38.018 --> 01:47:40.024 REPORT YOU'VE RECEIVED ON THE 3410 01:47:40.024 --> 01:47:41.003 ENTIRE CONVERGED NETWORK ISSUE. 3411 01:47:41.003 --> 01:47:44.005 AND MR. PENFIELD, WHO'S 3412 01:47:44.005 --> 01:47:45.025 REFERENCED MADE A REPORT TO 3413 01:47:45.025 --> 01:47:46.007 THIS COUNCIL APRIL TWO, APRIL 3414 01:47:46.007 --> 01:47:48.010 27, TWO AND A HALF WEEKS PRIOR 3415 01:47:48.010 --> 01:47:50.024 TO THIS MEETING THAT WAS IN 3416 01:47:50.024 --> 01:47:51.006 EFFECT IN MY MIND AND ON 3417 01:47:51.006 --> 01:47:53.003 MY CALENDAR AND IN OUR 3418 01:47:53.003 --> 01:47:54.014 DISCUSSION A FOLLOW TO THE ONE 3419 01:47:54.014 --> 01:47:56.014 VOICE PROJECT ALSO INDICATED TO 3420 01:47:56.014 --> 01:47:58.006 MR. MOYER WE SPENT SOME TIME 3421 01:47:58.006 --> 01:48:00.020 TALKING ABOUT CISCO MANAGEMENT 3422 01:48:00.020 --> 01:48:02.026 PEOPLE AND HOW THEY ARE 3423 01:48:02.026 --> 01:48:03.009 SOMETIMES IN EFFECT ON THE 3424 01:48:03.009 --> 01:48:05.014 BEACH WHEN THEY'RE TRAINED IN A 3425 01:48:05.014 --> 01:48:06.018 NEW PRODUCT THAT ISN'T READY 3426 01:48:06.018 --> 01:48:07.027 FOR DISTRIBUTION YET AND THAT 3427 01:48:07.027 --> 01:48:09.018 PERHAPS A FOLLOW UP TO MR. 3428 01:48:09.018 --> 01:48:11.021 PENFIELD WORK ON THE ONE VOICE 3429 01:48:11.021 --> 01:48:13.023 PROJECT COULD BE HE COULD 3430 01:48:13.023 --> 01:48:15.013 PROVIDE SOME ASSISTANCE WITH A 3431 01:48:15.013 --> 01:48:17.011 PERSON OF THAT NATURE AND HE 3432 01:48:17.011 --> 01:48:19.020 WOULD GET BACK TO ME IF THERE 3433 01:48:19.020 --> 01:48:20.003 WERE IF THERE WAS TALENT 3434 01:48:20.003 --> 01:48:22.017 AVAILABLE. BUT AGAIN THE 3435 01:48:22.017 --> 01:48:23.007 DISCUSSION RELATED TO THE ONE 3436 01:48:23.007 --> 01:48:26.022 VOICE PROJECT AND HOW CHANGING 3437 01:48:26.022 --> 01:48:28.002 INSTITUTING OUR ONE START 3438 01:48:28.002 --> 01:48:30.015 PROGRAM AND INTEGRATING HOUSING 3439 01:48:30.015 --> 01:48:32.021 AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT 3440 01:48:32.021 --> 01:48:33.007 REDEVELOPMENT WAS A HIGH 3441 01:48:33.007 --> 01:48:35.026 PRIORITY FOR THE CITY COUNCIL 3442 01:48:35.026 --> 01:48:36.009 AND YOU'VE HEARD A NUMBER 3443 01:48:36.009 --> 01:48:38.009 OF PRESENTATIONS ON THAT IN 3444 01:48:38.009 --> 01:48:40.012 THIS ROOM BY MR. PENFIELD WHO 3445 01:48:40.012 --> 01:48:42.017 SPECIFICALLY REFERENCED AS A 3446 01:48:42.017 --> 01:48:44.012 REASON FOR THE MEETING. HE WAS 3447 01:48:44.012 --> 01:48:46.011 I UNDERSTAND IT WAS QUITE 3448 01:48:46.011 --> 01:48:47.020 DISAPPOINTED THAT HE WASN'T IN 3449 01:48:47.020 --> 01:48:48.009 ATTENDANCE BUT HE AND MR. 3450 01:48:48.009 --> 01:48:50.023 DENNY, THE CITY'S PROJECT 3451 01:48:50.023 --> 01:48:51.002 MANAGER, WERE OFF DOING A 3452 01:48:51.002 --> 01:48:53.008 PRESENTATION ON ONE VOICE ON 3453 01:48:53.008 --> 01:48:55.007 THE SAME DAY. THE OTHER >> ITEM 3454 01:48:55.007 --> 01:48:57.019 THAT I'D LIKE TO JUST CONCLUDE 3455 01:48:57.019 --> 01:48:58.024 WITH IN TERMS OF CONTEXT IS THE 3456 01:48:58.024 --> 01:49:02.025 THE ISSUE OF THE INVESTIGATION 3457 01:49:02.025 --> 01:49:05.007 AND THE INVESTIGATION AND WE'VE 3458 01:49:05.007 --> 01:49:08.026 HAD A NUMBER OF THEM AND I 3459 01:49:08.026 --> 01:49:09.028 WOULD HOPE AS MR. MOYER'S STAFF 3460 01:49:09.028 --> 01:49:11.003 INDICATED WITH REGARD TO CISCO 3461 01:49:11.003 --> 01:49:14.010 THAT THE CITY HAS ALSO BEEN 3462 01:49:14.010 --> 01:49:16.000 FORTHCOMING THE INFORMATION 3463 01:49:16.000 --> 01:49:18.016 THAT'S AVAILABLE OR NEEDED OR 3464 01:49:18.016 --> 01:49:19.022 WANTED I HAVE ATTEMPTED TO BE 3465 01:49:19.022 --> 01:49:21.011 EXTRAORDINARILY PERSONALLY 3466 01:49:21.011 --> 01:49:23.016 RESPONSIBLE TO MIKE IN HIS 3467 01:49:23.016 --> 01:49:24.002 CALLS TO MAKE SURE IF HE NEEDED 3468 01:49:24.002 --> 01:49:26.011 TO TALK WITH SOMEONE THAT THAT 3469 01:49:26.011 --> 01:49:27.013 WAS OPPORTUNITY WAS MADE 3470 01:49:27.013 --> 01:49:29.002 AVAILABLE. WE >> HAVE HAD A 3471 01:49:29.002 --> 01:49:32.015 NUMBER OF INVESTIGATIONS 3472 01:49:32.015 --> 01:49:33.005 UNDERWAY FROM THOSE THAT WE 3473 01:49:33.005 --> 01:49:35.018 CONDUCTED THROUGH CITY 3474 01:49:35.018 --> 01:49:36.021 AUDITOR'S OFFICE, THE CITY 3475 01:49:36.021 --> 01:49:37.027 ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, THE DISTRICT 3476 01:49:37.027 --> 01:49:38.018 ATTORNEY, MY OFFICE AND NOW 3477 01:49:38.018 --> 01:49:40.004 THIS INVESTIGATOR AND I TAKE 3478 01:49:40.004 --> 01:49:43.009 PERSONAL AND PROFESSIONAL 3479 01:49:43.009 --> 01:49:44.018 RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE FACT 3480 01:49:44.018 --> 01:49:45.016 THAT WE'VE HAD DO THAT. BUT I 3481 01:49:45.016 --> 01:49:47.027 ALSO TAKE CONSIDERABLE PRIDE IN 3482 01:49:47.027 --> 01:49:48.003 THE FACT THAT WE'VE SUBMITTED 3483 01:49:48.003 --> 01:49:50.009 39 ADDITIONAL INITIATIVES. I 3484 01:49:50.009 --> 01:49:52.020 WOULD FLY THE LESSONS LEARNED 3485 01:49:52.020 --> 01:49:53.024 FLAG ON ALL OF THEM. WE'VE MADE 3486 01:49:53.024 --> 01:49:55.009 EXTENSIVE REPORTS TO THE CITY 3487 01:49:55.009 --> 01:49:57.015 COUNCIL ON THE PROGRESS. I 3488 01:49:57.015 --> 01:49:59.001 THINK THEY'RE EVIDENCED IN THE 3489 01:49:59.001 --> 01:50:01.021 FINAL RESULT ON THE UTILITY 3490 01:50:01.021 --> 01:50:02.013 BILLING RFP. I THINK THEIR 3491 01:50:02.013 --> 01:50:04.022 EVIDENCE ON THE COUNCIL'S 3492 01:50:04.022 --> 01:50:05.021 APPROVAL OF THE NEW ISSUANCE 3493 01:50:05.021 --> 01:50:07.001 OF THE CONVERGED NETWORK RFP 3494 01:50:07.001 --> 01:50:09.024 THAT'S ON THE STREET. BUT AGAIN 3495 01:50:09.024 --> 01:50:10.012 THIS IS A WORK IN PROGRESS. ALL 3496 01:50:10.012 --> 01:50:13.017 OF THE PEOPLE AT OUR INDICATED 3497 01:50:13.017 --> 01:50:14.001 IN MIKE'S FOLLOW UP REPORT IN 3498 01:50:14.001 --> 01:50:17.005 MY OFFICE ARE HERE TODAY ALL 3499 01:50:17.005 --> 01:50:19.006 OF THEM WHO HAVE EITHER KAREN 3500 01:50:19.006 --> 01:50:21.023 CUSTODY OF THE BRIAN DOYLE 3501 01:50:21.023 --> 01:50:22.014 EMAIL CAME INTO POSSESSION 3502 01:50:22.014 --> 01:50:24.004 OF IT AFTER JUNE 30TH AND IT'S 3503 01:50:24.004 --> 01:50:26.013 BEEN A HOT TOPIC 3504 01:50:26.013 --> 01:50:27.022 OF CONVERSATION THINK SINCE 3505 01:50:27.022 --> 01:50:28.016 THAT TIME BUT CLEARLY THE 3506 01:50:28.016 --> 01:50:30.020 ACTION PRIOR TO JUNE 30TH WAS 3507 01:50:30.020 --> 01:50:32.001 WHEN THE EMAIL WAS REQUESTED BY 3508 01:50:32.001 --> 01:50:35.015 MR. LINDER AND THAT EMAIL IS 3509 01:50:35.015 --> 01:50:36.016 ALSO IN THE DETAILED FILES 3510 01:50:36.016 --> 01:50:38.005 OF THE PERSONNEL INVESTIGATION. 3511 01:50:38.005 --> 01:50:40.020 SO I THINK WITH THAT ADDITIONAL 3512 01:50:40.020 --> 01:50:41.002 CONTEXT ALL OF US WHO HAVE BEEN 3513 01:50:41.002 --> 01:50:44.005 INVOLVED IN THIS ARE PREPARED 3514 01:50:44.005 --> 01:50:45.027 TO ANSWER ANY >> QUESTIONS. 3515 01:50:45.027 --> 01:50:47.019 OKAY. LET ME ASK MY COLLEAGUES 3516 01:50:47.019 --> 01:50:51.016 IF THEY HAVE QUESTIONS 3517 01:50:51.016 --> 01:50:53.016 OF EITHER MR. MALLOY OR, OUR 3518 01:50:53.016 --> 01:50:55.000 CITY ATTORNEY, OUR CITY MANAGER 3519 01:50:55.000 --> 01:50:57.005 >> THIS IS CUSTOMARY. THANK 3520 01:50:57.005 --> 01:51:01.002 YOU. I DO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS 3521 01:51:01.002 --> 01:51:03.013 AND A WHOLE BUNCH OF QUESTIONS 3522 01:51:03.013 --> 01:51:04.022 THAT HAVE BEEN ANSWERED BY THE 3523 01:51:04.022 --> 01:51:05.001 INVESTIGATORS AND I THANK THEM 3524 01:51:05.001 --> 01:51:07.029 FOR DOING THAT BUT I THINK 3525 01:51:07.029 --> 01:51:08.017 THERE'S SOME ADDITIONAL THINGS 3526 01:51:08.017 --> 01:51:10.003 THAT I HAVE IN MY MIND THAT 3527 01:51:10.003 --> 01:51:14.018 HAVE COME UP AS A RESULT OF THE 3528 01:51:14.018 --> 01:51:16.023 LATEST REPORT AND. THE FIRST IS 3529 01:51:16.023 --> 01:51:19.001 I GUESS PROBABLY FOR THE CITY 3530 01:51:19.001 --> 01:51:21.016 AUDITOR WHO AUDITED THE 3531 01:51:21.016 --> 01:51:22.006 MANAGEMENT THAT THE MANAGERS 3532 01:51:22.006 --> 01:51:26.002 PUT IN PLACE OVER THE LAST 3533 01:51:26.002 --> 01:51:28.006 MONTHS. AND I'M CURIOUS IF THE 3534 01:51:28.006 --> 01:51:30.011 CITY AUDITORS STILL COMFORTABLE 3535 01:51:30.011 --> 01:51:32.019 WITH MANAGEMENT FORMS IN LIGHT 3536 01:51:32.019 --> 01:51:34.025 OF THE ADDITIONAL FACTS AND THE 3537 01:51:34.025 --> 01:51:35.000 ADDITIONAL THINGS THAT HAVE 3538 01:51:35.000 --> 01:51:37.004 THAT HAVE COME OUT SINCE YOU 3539 01:51:37.004 --> 01:51:39.007 DID YOUR AUDIT OF THAT? >> MR. 3540 01:51:39.007 --> 01:51:41.021 MAYOR, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL JERRY 3541 01:51:41.021 --> 01:51:42.011 SILVER CITY AUDITOR YES, I 3542 01:51:42.011 --> 01:51:45.018 THINK SO. THE REPORT THAT 3543 01:51:45.018 --> 01:51:47.020 ISSUED TO THE COUNCIL I THINK 3544 01:51:47.020 --> 01:51:49.029 IT WAS IN DECEMBER RELATIVE TO 3545 01:51:49.029 --> 01:51:51.000 THE MANAGER'S PROPOSED REFORMS 3546 01:51:51.000 --> 01:51:55.020 HAD WE THE ADDITIONAL 3547 01:51:55.020 --> 01:51:56.026 INFORMATION THAT IS SHOWN IN 3548 01:51:56.026 --> 01:51:58.009 THE INVESTIGATORS REPORT WOULD 3549 01:51:58.009 --> 01:52:00.013 NOT HAVE CHANGED THE CONCLUSION 3550 01:52:00.013 --> 01:52:02.020 THAT WE REACHED IN OUR REPORT. 3551 01:52:02.020 --> 01:52:03.028 >> OKAY. THANK YOU. THEN THE 3552 01:52:03.028 --> 01:52:05.022 NEXT ONE IS ON THE RFP PROCESS 3553 01:52:05.022 --> 01:52:07.003 AND ESPECIALLY THE CODE OF 3554 01:52:07.003 --> 01:52:09.029 CONDUCT I THINK THINK THAT'S 3555 01:52:09.029 --> 01:52:10.000 WHAT WE CALLED IT IN THE RFP 3556 01:52:10.000 --> 01:52:12.001 PROCESS FOR OUR VENDORS AND 3557 01:52:12.001 --> 01:52:14.003 THAT'S REALLY A QUESTION FOR 3558 01:52:14.003 --> 01:52:15.021 YOU FOR YOU JURY AND FOR THE 3559 01:52:15.021 --> 01:52:16.014 MANAGER AND THAT IS WHETHER OR 3560 01:52:16.014 --> 01:52:18.029 NOT WE'RE STILL COMFORTABLE 3561 01:52:18.029 --> 01:52:19.026 THAT THAT RFP WE PUT IN PLACE 3562 01:52:19.026 --> 01:52:22.018 HAS ALL OF THE BELLS AND 3563 01:52:22.018 --> 01:52:24.026 WHISTLES THAT WE NEED TO MAKE 3564 01:52:24.026 --> 01:52:25.001 SURE THAT RFP IS OR FAIR AND 3565 01:52:25.001 --> 01:52:28.022 STRAIGHTFORWARD EVEN THOUGH WE 3566 01:52:28.022 --> 01:52:31.023 HAVE SOME NEW PROBLEMS THAT 3567 01:52:31.023 --> 01:52:32.029 MAYBE HAVE COME OUT. >> I THINK 3568 01:52:32.029 --> 01:52:34.021 THE CODE CONDUCT REFERENCES TO 3569 01:52:34.021 --> 01:52:37.023 THE REVOLVING DOOR POLICY >> 3570 01:52:37.023 --> 01:52:40.015 LIKE THE REVOLVING DOOR POLICY, 3571 01:52:40.015 --> 01:52:43.004 THE CODE OF CONDUCT REFERENCE 3572 01:52:43.004 --> 01:52:45.015 THAT YOU MADE >> AND ANY OF YOU 3573 01:52:45.015 --> 01:52:48.014 OUT THERE IF I COULD 3574 01:52:48.014 --> 01:52:51.003 COUNCILMEMBER >> REED, MEMBERS 3575 01:52:51.003 --> 01:52:52.010 OF THE CITY COUNCIL AND SHE 3576 01:52:52.010 --> 01:52:53.026 GOT A DEPUTY CITY AS ONE OF THE 3577 01:52:53.026 --> 01:52:54.005 >> PRIMARY AUTHORS OF THE 3578 01:52:54.005 --> 01:52:56.006 CODE OF CONDUCT THAT WOULD BE 3579 01:52:56.006 --> 01:52:57.010 APPROPRIATE TO JUMP IN IN TERMS 3580 01:52:57.010 --> 01:53:00.008 OF THE >> SPECIFIC AREA THAT 3581 01:53:00.008 --> 01:53:04.026 CITY AUDITOR WAS REFERENCING. 3582 01:53:04.026 --> 01:53:05.006 IT DOES MAKE SPECIFIC REFERENCE 3583 01:53:05.006 --> 01:53:08.008 AND ACKNOWLEDGMENT BY ALL THE 3584 01:53:08.008 --> 01:53:10.016 PROSPECTIVE PROPOSERS THAT 3585 01:53:10.016 --> 01:53:11.025 ATTENDED OUR MANDATORY 3586 01:53:11.025 --> 01:53:12.025 PRE PROPOSAL >> CONFERENCE 3587 01:53:12.025 --> 01:53:14.008 OF THE REVOLVING DOOR ORDINANCE 3588 01:53:14.008 --> 01:53:16.010 THE GIFT ORDINANCE, THE 3589 01:53:16.010 --> 01:53:18.020 LOBBYING ORDINANCE AS WELL AS 3590 01:53:18.020 --> 01:53:20.023 SPECIFIC COMMUNICATION 3591 01:53:20.023 --> 01:53:21.006 PROTOCOLS THAT HAVE BEEN 3592 01:53:21.006 --> 01:53:23.026 DISCUSSED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. 3593 01:53:23.026 --> 01:53:25.009 I SHOULD MAKE ONE CLARIFICATION 3594 01:53:25.009 --> 01:53:27.021 THAT WHEN >> THE RFP FOR THE 3595 01:53:27.021 --> 01:53:30.003 NEW NETWORK OR THE NEW CONVERGE 3596 01:53:30.003 --> 01:53:33.023 NETWORK RFP CAME BEFORE THE 3597 01:53:33.023 --> 01:53:34.020 CITY COUNCIL THERE WAS SOME 3598 01:53:34.020 --> 01:53:35.001 DISCUSSION ON THE QUESTION 3599 01:53:35.001 --> 01:53:37.002 OF WHETHER THE PROPOSERS WOULD 3600 01:53:37.002 --> 01:53:39.014 BE REQUIRED TO DISCLOSE THE 3601 01:53:39.014 --> 01:53:41.005 INVOLVEMENT OF PRIOR EMPLOYEES 3602 01:53:41.005 --> 01:53:43.016 OR PRIOR CONSULTANTS TO >> THE 3603 01:53:43.016 --> 01:53:44.020 CITY AS A PART OF THEIR 3604 01:53:44.020 --> 01:53:46.027 PROPOSAL. AS A MATTER 3605 01:53:46.027 --> 01:53:47.003 OF CLARIFICATION, THE 3606 01:53:47.003 --> 01:53:50.007 ACKNOWLEDGMENT OF THE REVOLVING 3607 01:53:50.007 --> 01:53:52.014 DOOR ORDINANCE IS REALLY THE 3608 01:53:52.014 --> 01:53:54.012 CLOSEST IT COMES TO REQUIRING 3609 01:53:54.012 --> 01:53:56.003 THAT DISCLOSURE WE HAD TO HAVE 3610 01:53:56.003 --> 01:53:59.005 DISCUSSED SUBSEQUENT TO THE 3611 01:53:59.005 --> 01:54:00.018 RELEASE OF THE RFP THE ISSUANCE 3612 01:54:00.018 --> 01:54:01.007 OF AN ADDENDUM THAT 3613 01:54:01.007 --> 01:54:02.028 SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSES 3614 01:54:02.028 --> 01:54:03.011 INVOLVEMENT AGAIN OF PRIOR 3615 01:54:03.011 --> 01:54:05.005 EMPLOYEES BEYOND THE WINDOW 3616 01:54:05.005 --> 01:54:07.005 ESTABLISHED BY THE REVOLVING 3617 01:54:07.005 --> 01:54:08.024 DOOR ORDINANCE AS WELL AS ANY 3618 01:54:08.024 --> 01:54:10.018 INVOLVEMENT OF PRIOR 3619 01:54:10.018 --> 01:54:11.005 CONSULTANTS. BUT COMING UP WITH 3620 01:54:11.005 --> 01:54:13.019 A AN ADDENDUM THAT WOULD 3621 01:54:13.019 --> 01:54:15.019 ADDRESS THE ISSUE IN A LEVEL 3622 01:54:15.019 --> 01:54:17.028 OF SPECIFICITY THAT WOULD GIVE 3623 01:54:17.028 --> 01:54:18.005 US MEANINGFUL RESULTS AND THEN 3624 01:54:18.005 --> 01:54:20.026 RESULTS THAT WE COULD ACTUALLY 3625 01:54:20.026 --> 01:54:21.021 USE IN A JUDGMENT ON WHAT 3626 01:54:21.021 --> 01:54:23.027 CONSTITUTED SAY A CONFLICT HAS 3627 01:54:23.027 --> 01:54:26.029 BEEN SOMEWHAT PROBLEMATIC. SO 3628 01:54:26.029 --> 01:54:27.004 ON THAT WE ARE CHARGING FORWARD 3629 01:54:27.004 --> 01:54:30.011 WITH THE CODE OF CONDUCT ONCE 3630 01:54:30.011 --> 01:54:32.027 AGAIN >> THAT ALL OF THE 3631 01:54:32.027 --> 01:54:33.003 PROSPECTIVE PROPOSERS HAVE 3632 01:54:33.003 --> 01:54:35.028 SIGNED ON TO. THE >> ONLY THING 3633 01:54:35.028 --> 01:54:36.002 I'D ADD TO THAT MR. READ IS 3634 01:54:36.002 --> 01:54:38.005 THAT IT'S NOT A STANDALONE 3635 01:54:38.005 --> 01:54:40.020 COMPONENT OF THE PROCESS BUT 3636 01:54:40.020 --> 01:54:41.009 THERE ARE OTHER PROCESS THAT 3637 01:54:41.009 --> 01:54:43.027 ALSO I THINK CAN HELP WITH YOUR 3638 01:54:43.027 --> 01:54:45.013 CONFIDENCE LEVEL AND FOR ALL 3639 01:54:45.013 --> 01:54:47.005 US. ONE IS THE CHANGE IN THE 3640 01:54:47.005 --> 01:54:49.018 AGENDA PROCESS BETWEEN THE CITY 3641 01:54:49.018 --> 01:54:50.026 ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND THE CITY 3642 01:54:50.026 --> 01:54:51.021 MANAGER TO MAKE SURE THERE'S A 3643 01:54:51.021 --> 01:54:53.024 BETTER OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE SURE 3644 01:54:53.024 --> 01:54:55.011 ALL OF THE CONCERNS IN EITHER 3645 01:54:55.011 --> 01:54:57.023 ARE AVAILABLE. THERE'S BEEN A 3646 01:54:57.023 --> 01:54:58.007 CHANGE IN THE REPORTING 3647 01:54:58.007 --> 01:55:00.011 RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE 3648 01:55:00.011 --> 01:55:02.027 PREPARATION OF THE RFP AND THE 3649 01:55:02.027 --> 01:55:03.007 PEOPLE RESPONSIBLE AND THEIR 3650 01:55:03.007 --> 01:55:05.019 REPORTING RELATIONSHIP TO 3651 01:55:05.019 --> 01:55:06.007 MY OFFICE AND THERE ARE A 3652 01:55:06.007 --> 01:55:08.025 SERIES OF OTHER PROCESS 3653 01:55:08.025 --> 01:55:09.002 IMPROVEMENTS AND I THINK IN THE 3654 01:55:09.002 --> 01:55:11.021 CONTEXT OF THAT THAT THE 3655 01:55:11.021 --> 01:55:13.019 CODE OF CONDUCT WILL HELP AS 3656 01:55:13.019 --> 01:55:14.007 WELL. SO >> IF PEOPLE THE 3657 01:55:14.007 --> 01:55:17.010 CODE OF CONDUCT INTERNALLY AND 3658 01:55:17.010 --> 01:55:18.020 EXTERNALLY THAT WOULD BE GOOD 3659 01:55:18.020 --> 01:55:20.009 ENOUGH TO PICK UP GOING TO 3660 01:55:20.009 --> 01:55:23.008 LUNCH WITH THE WRONG PEOPLE THE 3661 01:55:23.008 --> 01:55:24.011 WRONG TIME OR WORKING ON THE 3662 01:55:24.011 --> 01:55:26.024 WRONG PROJECT AT THE WRONG TIME 3663 01:55:26.024 --> 01:55:27.015 WITHIN THE WRONG TIME PERIOD I 3664 01:55:27.015 --> 01:55:30.018 ASSUME THAT THE CODE OF CONDUCT 3665 01:55:30.018 --> 01:55:31.004 IS BROAD ENOUGH SO THAT IT WILL 3666 01:55:31.004 --> 01:55:33.011 HELP PEOPLE NOT FALL INTO THOSE 3667 01:55:33.011 --> 01:55:35.027 THOSE MISTAKES. YEAH, AND I 3668 01:55:35.027 --> 01:55:36.012 THINK ANOTHER ASPECT OF THIS IS 3669 01:55:36.012 --> 01:55:38.015 THE ETHICS TRAINING THAT WE'RE 3670 01:55:38.015 --> 01:55:39.012 ALL GOING TO GO THROUGH AT THE 3671 01:55:39.012 --> 01:55:41.020 END OF THE MONTH >> WHERE THE 3672 01:55:41.020 --> 01:55:43.011 ACTUAL POLICY WITH REGARD TO 3673 01:55:43.011 --> 01:55:46.009 THE REVOLVING DOOR WILL BE 3674 01:55:46.009 --> 01:55:48.027 CLEARLY DELINEATED >> FOR FOR 3675 01:55:48.027 --> 01:55:50.009 EVERYBODY. >> THE NEXT QUESTION 3676 01:55:50.009 --> 01:55:53.009 I HAVE IS ON THE PUBLIC RECORDS 3677 01:55:53.009 --> 01:55:56.024 IN THIS APRIL 6TH MEMO WHICH 3678 01:55:56.024 --> 01:55:58.010 GOT CIRCULATED AGAIN IN MAY AND 3679 01:55:58.010 --> 01:56:01.024 JUNE AND VARIOUS TO VARIOUS 3680 01:56:01.024 --> 01:56:02.019 PEOPLE AT VARIOUS TIMES BUT 3681 01:56:02.019 --> 01:56:04.009 DIDN'T SHOW UP IN THE 3682 01:56:04.009 --> 01:56:06.024 DOCUMENTATION IN ALL OF THE 3683 01:56:06.024 --> 01:56:09.025 DOCUMENTATION ANYWAY. SO THE 3684 01:56:09.025 --> 01:56:11.005 QUESTION I HAVE IS WHETHER OR 3685 01:56:11.005 --> 01:56:13.007 NOT THAT MEMO WHICH IS EXHIBIT 3686 01:56:13.007 --> 01:56:16.007 P AND Q TO THE INVESTIGATORS 3687 01:56:16.007 --> 01:56:18.015 REPORT WHETHER OR NOT THAT 3688 01:56:18.015 --> 01:56:19.022 SHOULD HAVE BEEN PRODUCED AS 3689 01:56:19.022 --> 01:56:20.005 PART OF THE PUBLIC RECORDS ACT 3690 01:56:20.005 --> 01:56:22.009 REQUEST THAT I THINK SBC FILED 3691 01:56:22.009 --> 01:56:24.002 WITH THE CITY YES I NOTICED ON 3692 01:56:24.002 --> 01:56:27.019 THE COPY I'VE GOT IT STARTS AS 3693 01:56:27.019 --> 01:56:28.005 AN ATTORNEY CLIENT CONFIDENTIAL 3694 01:56:28.005 --> 01:56:31.005 COMMUNICATION RIGHT SO THAT 3695 01:56:31.005 --> 01:56:33.009 RAISES AN INTERESTING QUESTION 3696 01:56:33.009 --> 01:56:34.009 OF WHETHER OR NOT IT SHOULD BE 3697 01:56:34.009 --> 01:56:36.022 PUBLISHED PURSUANT TO A PUBLIC 3698 01:56:36.022 --> 01:56:37.013 RECORDS ACT REQUEST. BUT 3699 01:56:37.013 --> 01:56:39.000 AT SOME POINT, YOU KNOW, IT 3700 01:56:39.000 --> 01:56:41.022 SHOULD HAVE COME OUT. AND A 3701 01:56:41.022 --> 01:56:41.021 QUESTION I GUESS IS WHEN AND 3702 01:56:41.021 --> 01:56:43.026 WHERE SHOULD THAT HAVE BEEN 3703 01:56:43.026 --> 01:56:45.027 DISCLOSED? COUNCILMEMBER >> 3704 01:56:45.027 --> 01:56:46.017 REID CAN I IF I CAN ADDRESS THE 3705 01:56:46.017 --> 01:56:48.002 PUBLIC RECORDS ACT TO SHOW THE 3706 01:56:48.002 --> 01:56:50.020 CITY CHARTER ADDRESS TO THE 3707 01:56:50.020 --> 01:56:51.020 DISCLOSURE ISSUE ALSO BUT THE 3708 01:56:51.020 --> 01:56:53.016 >> THE THE ORIGINAL APRIL SIX 3709 01:56:53.016 --> 01:56:56.026 >> MEMO IS IT ATTORNEY CLIENT 3710 01:56:56.026 --> 01:56:57.008 COMMUNICATION THAT MEMO WOULD 3711 01:56:57.008 --> 01:57:00.000 NOT HAVE BEEN PROPERLY TURNED 3712 01:57:00.000 --> 01:57:03.014 OVER AS PART OF THAT SBC 3713 01:57:03.014 --> 01:57:06.023 REQUEST AND YOU MAY REMEMBER 3714 01:57:06.023 --> 01:57:07.019 THE COUNCIL WAIVED ALL >> 3715 01:57:07.019 --> 01:57:08.005 PRIVILEGES AND AS PART OF THIS 3716 01:57:08.005 --> 01:57:10.028 INVESTIGATION IT WAS CLEARLY TO 3717 01:57:10.028 --> 01:57:11.024 BECOME A PUBLIC RECORD. I THINK 3718 01:57:11.024 --> 01:57:13.018 IT ACTUALLY HAD BEEN BY THAT 3719 01:57:13.018 --> 01:57:15.022 POINT IT SOMEHOW HAD REVEALED 3720 01:57:15.022 --> 01:57:17.005 TO THE PRESENT HAD BEEN 3721 01:57:17.005 --> 01:57:19.001 SUBMITTED AS WELL THE >> THE 3722 01:57:19.001 --> 01:57:21.010 COMMUNICATION AND SO WHICH WE 3723 01:57:21.010 --> 01:57:22.022 JUST FOUND OUT ABOUT IN THE 3724 01:57:22.022 --> 01:57:23.018 SUPPLEMENTAL REPORT TODAY ARE 3725 01:57:23.018 --> 01:57:26.001 MORE TROUBLING MORE TROUBLING 3726 01:57:26.001 --> 01:57:28.020 BECAUSE WE DID NOT GET THAT 3727 01:57:28.020 --> 01:57:29.015 INFORMATION. WE BEING THE CITY 3728 01:57:29.015 --> 01:57:31.014 AUDITOR IN THE CITY ATTORNEY'S 3729 01:57:31.014 --> 01:57:32.019 OFFICE, WE WERE INVOLVED IN A 3730 01:57:32.019 --> 01:57:34.018 >> LENGTHY INVESTIGATION AND 3731 01:57:34.018 --> 01:57:36.026 THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE WENT 3732 01:57:36.026 --> 01:57:37.005 THROUGH AND FILTERED THROUGH 3733 01:57:37.005 --> 01:57:39.022 VARIOUS EMAILS AND DOCUMENTS 3734 01:57:39.022 --> 01:57:40.022 THAT DID NOT TURN THAT OVER ALL 3735 01:57:40.022 --> 01:57:42.025 AT THE CITY AUDITOR GIVE HIS 3736 01:57:42.025 --> 01:57:43.028 $0.02. BUT THAT IS REAL 3737 01:57:43.028 --> 01:57:44.009 TROUBLESOME INSOFAR AS IT IS A 3738 01:57:44.009 --> 01:57:48.013 RESPONSE TO THE SBC REQUEST. IT 3739 01:57:48.013 --> 01:57:50.013 NOT A PRIVILEGE DOCUMENT 3740 01:57:50.013 --> 01:57:51.011 AT THAT POINT BECAUSE YOU HAD 3741 01:57:51.011 --> 01:57:52.028 EDITS FROM VONDA GOODRICH THAT 3742 01:57:52.028 --> 01:57:54.025 WE MAY HAVE TO WE MAY HAVE HAD 3743 01:57:54.025 --> 01:57:56.005 TO REDACT CERTAIN PARTS OF IT 3744 01:57:56.005 --> 01:57:59.024 IF IN FACT WE WANTED TO RETAIN 3745 01:57:59.024 --> 01:58:00.029 A PRIVILEGE BUT THAT'S 3746 01:58:00.029 --> 01:58:01.009 SOMETHING WE WOULD HAVE MADE 3747 01:58:01.009 --> 01:58:03.008 THE DECISION AT THE POINT IN 3748 01:58:03.008 --> 01:58:04.021 TIME HAD HAD THE DOCUMENT WE 3749 01:58:04.021 --> 01:58:05.002 DIDN'T GET IT AND IT REALLY 3750 01:58:05.002 --> 01:58:07.015 RAISES A CONCERN THAT WE'RE NOT 3751 01:58:07.015 --> 01:58:08.029 GETTING DOCUMENTS WE HAVE A 3752 01:58:08.029 --> 01:58:09.002 NUMBER OF PUBLIC RECORDS ACT 3753 01:58:09.002 --> 01:58:11.013 REQUESTS AND I CAN'T SAY WITH 3754 01:58:11.013 --> 01:58:12.009 ANY CERTAINTY AND IT REALLY IS 3755 01:58:12.009 --> 01:58:14.023 TROUBLING AND I CANNOT SAY WITH 3756 01:58:14.023 --> 01:58:15.000 ANY CERTAINTY THAT WE WERE 3757 01:58:15.000 --> 01:58:17.004 GETTING ALL THE DOCUMENTS WE 3758 01:58:17.004 --> 01:58:18.004 NEED >> AND MY $0.02 ARE THAT 3759 01:58:18.004 --> 01:58:21.012 WHEN IT'S CHARACTERIZED THAT 3760 01:58:21.012 --> 01:58:23.017 THAT INFORMATION WAS NOT 3761 01:58:23.017 --> 01:58:24.002 DISCLOSED IN THE REPORT THAT 3762 01:58:24.002 --> 01:58:26.022 THE CITY ATTORNEY AND THE CITY 3763 01:58:26.022 --> 01:58:27.021 >> AUDITOR COAUTHORED, IT WAS 3764 01:58:27.021 --> 01:58:30.003 BECAUSE WE WERE UNAWARE OF THAT 3765 01:58:30.003 --> 01:58:33.012 INFORMATION EVEN THOUGH WE HAD 3766 01:58:33.012 --> 01:58:35.022 MADE SPECIFIC INQUIRIES ABOUT 3767 01:58:35.022 --> 01:58:38.002 MEETINGS OR OTHER KINDS 3768 01:58:38.002 --> 01:58:41.006 OF DOCUMENTATION, EVEN THOUGH 3769 01:58:41.006 --> 01:58:44.004 THERE WAS INFORMATION THAT 3770 01:58:44.004 --> 01:58:46.026 SHOULD HAVE BEEN PRODUCED. 3771 01:58:46.026 --> 01:58:47.026 MY OPINION AND I THINK IN THE 3772 01:58:47.026 --> 01:58:48.024 CITY ATTORNEY'S OPINION AS PART 3773 01:58:48.024 --> 01:58:50.002 OF THE PUBLIC RECORDS ACT 3774 01:58:50.002 --> 01:58:52.000 REQUEST THAT WAS NOT PRODUCED 3775 01:58:52.000 --> 01:58:54.015 AND IT'S NOT JUST AS RELATED TO 3776 01:58:54.015 --> 01:58:56.020 THE THAT ONE PARTICULAR EMAIL 3777 01:58:56.020 --> 01:58:58.019 WHERE BRIAN DOYLE'S CONCERNS 3778 01:58:58.019 --> 01:59:00.003 WERE FORWARDED TO OTHER MEMBERS 3779 01:59:00.003 --> 01:59:02.018 OF THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE. 3780 01:59:02.018 --> 01:59:03.027 WE'RE ALSO TALKING ABOUT A 3781 01:59:03.027 --> 01:59:04.026 NUMBER OF EMAILS BETWEEN CISCO 3782 01:59:04.026 --> 01:59:06.014 AND CITY STAFF OR CITY STAFF 3783 01:59:06.014 --> 01:59:08.015 AND CISCO THAT WE ONLY RECEIVED 3784 01:59:08.015 --> 01:59:10.022 WHEN CISCO PROVIDED IT US AND 3785 01:59:10.022 --> 01:59:12.014 THAT WAS NOT INCLUDED IN A 3786 01:59:12.014 --> 01:59:14.015 NUMBER OF THE IN THE PUBLIC 3787 01:59:14.015 --> 01:59:16.004 RECORD DOCUMENTS. AND THEN 3788 01:59:16.004 --> 01:59:19.012 FINALLY THE ONES THAT WE JUST 3789 01:59:19.012 --> 01:59:21.020 LEARNED ABOUT MOST RECENTLY THE 3790 01:59:21.020 --> 01:59:23.001 LETTER FROM JOHN, THE EMAIL 3791 01:59:23.001 --> 01:59:25.027 FROM JOHN WALTON TO THE DEPUTY 3792 01:59:25.027 --> 01:59:26.002 CIO AND THAT WAS TRANSMITTING 3793 01:59:26.002 --> 01:59:29.024 PROMOTIONAL MATERIAL FROM 3794 01:59:29.024 --> 01:59:30.018 UNISYS SPECIFICALLY RELATED TO 3795 01:59:30.018 --> 01:59:33.000 A PRODUCT THEY CALLED 3D VISUAL 3796 01:59:33.000 --> 01:59:36.022 ENTERPRISE. WE DID NOT WE NEVER 3797 01:59:36.022 --> 01:59:38.019 SAW THAT EMAIL. IN FACT WE WERE 3798 01:59:38.019 --> 01:59:40.003 TOLD BY JOHN WALTON, THE CIO, 3799 01:59:40.003 --> 01:59:44.026 THE DEPUTY CIO THAT THERE WAS 3800 01:59:44.026 --> 01:59:45.009 ABSOLUTE BE NO DISCUSSION, NO 3801 01:59:45.009 --> 01:59:48.013 CONTACT, NO COMMUNICATION 3802 01:59:48.013 --> 01:59:50.005 BETWEEN JOHN WALTON AND ANYBODY 3803 01:59:50.005 --> 01:59:52.011 IN THE CITY RELATIVE TO UNISYS 3804 01:59:52.011 --> 01:59:56.022 DOING BUSINESS WITH WITH THE 3805 01:59:56.022 --> 01:59:57.026 CITY OF SAN JOSE. SO IT'S 3806 01:59:57.026 --> 01:59:58.005 CLEARLY AT VARIANCE WITH WHAT 3807 01:59:58.005 --> 02:00:00.027 WE WERE TOLD AND WHAT WE SAW 3808 02:00:00.027 --> 02:00:01.018 DURING OUR INVESTIGATION. >> 3809 02:00:01.018 --> 02:00:03.023 CHUCK CAN I JUST ASK YOU A 3810 02:00:03.023 --> 02:00:04.007 FOLLOW UP QUESTION? WHO WAS 3811 02:00:04.007 --> 02:00:06.005 AT IT FOR YOU? THAT'S IT FOR 3812 02:00:06.005 --> 02:00:07.026 MY QUESTIONS. I'VE GOT SOME 3813 02:00:07.026 --> 02:00:07.001 COMMENTS. OKAY. I'LL HOLD THOSE 3814 02:00:07.001 --> 02:00:09.015 TIL THE COUNCIL'S READY TO 3815 02:00:09.015 --> 02:00:10.019 GO FOR IT. CAN I DO >> A FOLLOW 3816 02:00:10.019 --> 02:00:11.021 UP ON THAT? AND WE'VE GOTTEN A 3817 02:00:11.021 --> 02:00:13.001 LOT OF INFORMATION IN THE LAST 3818 02:00:13.001 --> 02:00:15.028 24 HOURS SO I MAY MAYBE CONFUSE 3819 02:00:15.028 --> 02:00:16.029 YOU MYSELF BUT >> THE THE ISSUE 3820 02:00:16.029 --> 02:00:21.004 OF THE EMAIL AND I'M YOU KNOW, 3821 02:00:21.004 --> 02:00:24.003 TRY TO YOU KNOW WHAT I'M GOING 3822 02:00:24.003 --> 02:00:25.013 TO ASK THE QUESTION OF >> CHUCK 3823 02:00:25.013 --> 02:00:28.003 WHAT WAS YOUR QUESTION 3824 02:00:28.003 --> 02:00:29.001 REGARDING THE EMAIL? 3825 02:00:29.001 --> 02:00:31.012 MY QUESTION >> WAS ON APRIL 6TH 3826 02:00:31.012 --> 02:00:32.005 EMAIL THAT BECAME THE JUNE 30TH 3827 02:00:32.005 --> 02:00:34.024 EMAIL AND GOT PASSED AROUND. 3828 02:00:34.024 --> 02:00:35.018 THAT'S RIGHT. OKAY. ON ON THAT 3829 02:00:35.018 --> 02:00:37.006 EMAIL, WAS THAT NOT INCLUDED IN 3830 02:00:37.006 --> 02:00:40.003 THE PERSONNEL INVESTIGATION? 3831 02:00:40.003 --> 02:00:43.010 DID YOU DID YOU AND THE CITY 3832 02:00:43.010 --> 02:00:44.001 ATTORNEY REVIEWED >> I CAN'T 3833 02:00:44.001 --> 02:00:46.013 ANSWER SPECIFIC. OKAY. YES, MR. 3834 02:00:46.013 --> 02:00:48.016 MAYOR, IF I COULD INTERJECT I 3835 02:00:48.016 --> 02:00:51.003 WAS IT WAS NOT ADDRESSED 3836 02:00:51.003 --> 02:00:54.017 SPECIFICALLY IN THE PERSONNEL 3837 02:00:54.017 --> 02:00:56.026 INVESTIGATION. YOU KNOW THAT 3838 02:00:56.026 --> 02:00:57.006 NINE PAGE DOCUMENT WHICH WAS 3839 02:00:57.006 --> 02:00:59.008 SUBMITTED TO THE COUNCIL ON 3840 02:00:59.008 --> 02:01:00.009 SEPTEMBER 3RD AND IT WASN'T 3841 02:01:00.009 --> 02:01:02.010 ADDRESSED IN THE WITNESS 3842 02:01:02.010 --> 02:01:03.000 SUMMARIES BUT IN SPEAKING WITH 3843 02:01:03.000 --> 02:01:06.024 THE EMPLOYEE RELATIONS MANAGER 3844 02:01:06.024 --> 02:01:07.012 WHO CONDUCTED THE INVESTIGATION 3845 02:01:07.012 --> 02:01:09.010 HE HAD OBTAINED A COPY OF THAT 3846 02:01:09.010 --> 02:01:11.020 FROM OTHER DOCUMENTS THAT MARK 3847 02:01:11.020 --> 02:01:13.027 LINDER HAD PROVIDED TO HIM IN 3848 02:01:13.027 --> 02:01:14.018 THE COURSE OF HIS 3849 02:01:14.018 --> 02:01:15.018 INVESTIGATION. LET ME LET 3850 02:01:15.018 --> 02:01:17.022 ME ASK THIS QUESTION AND OVER 3851 02:01:17.022 --> 02:01:18.020 THE CITY AUDITOR AND CITY 3852 02:01:18.020 --> 02:01:19.023 ATTORNEY, WHEN WHEN YOU DID 3853 02:01:19.023 --> 02:01:21.021 YOUR OWN INVESTIGATION, WHAT 3854 02:01:21.021 --> 02:01:23.015 DID YOU REVIEW OF THE PERSONNEL 3855 02:01:23.015 --> 02:01:25.020 INVESTIGATION STRICTLY THE 3856 02:01:25.020 --> 02:01:26.007 REPORT OR ANY SUPPORTING 3857 02:01:26.007 --> 02:01:28.000 DOCUMENTS THAT WERE INCLUDED OR 3858 02:01:28.000 --> 02:01:30.022 REFERENCED IN THE REPORT OR ANY 3859 02:01:30.022 --> 02:01:31.018 SUPPORTING DOCUMENTS THAT THE 3860 02:01:31.018 --> 02:01:34.007 HUMAN OR THE PERSONNEL 3861 02:01:34.007 --> 02:01:36.016 DEPARTMENT THE PERSONNEL >> 3862 02:01:36.016 --> 02:01:37.009 INVESTIGATION ACTUALLY FOLLOWED 3863 02:01:37.009 --> 02:01:39.011 OUR INVESTIGATION. OKAY. WE 3864 02:01:39.011 --> 02:01:41.020 PROCEEDED OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THE 3865 02:01:41.020 --> 02:01:43.000 PERSONNEL, I AM CONFUSING 3866 02:01:43.000 --> 02:01:45.008 MYSELF. YEAH. AND I CAN I CAN 3867 02:01:45.008 --> 02:01:46.001 ADDRESS THAT WE WE HAD TO 3868 02:01:46.001 --> 02:01:49.001 VERSIONS OF THE OF THAT 3869 02:01:49.001 --> 02:01:52.016 PERSONNEL REPORT WE THERE WAS A 3870 02:01:52.016 --> 02:01:54.029 COPY FOR THE CITY MANAGER WHICH 3871 02:01:54.029 --> 02:01:55.011 I DID REVIEW AND THEN THERE WAS 3872 02:01:55.011 --> 02:01:57.012 A REDACTED COPY WHICH KEPT THE 3873 02:01:57.012 --> 02:02:00.015 NAMES OUT OF THE OUT OF THE 3874 02:02:00.015 --> 02:02:03.001 REPORT FOR CONFIDENTIALITY 3875 02:02:03.001 --> 02:02:05.016 PURPOSES AND NEITHER REPORT WAS 3876 02:02:05.016 --> 02:02:07.004 THAT MAY 21ST EMAIL REVEALED. 3877 02:02:07.004 --> 02:02:11.028 OKAY THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. NEXT 3878 02:02:11.028 --> 02:02:13.009 GO TO CUSTOMER WILLIAMSON >> 3879 02:02:13.009 --> 02:02:16.024 YES, THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. ONE 3880 02:02:16.024 --> 02:02:19.017 QUESTION THAT I HAD >> 3881 02:02:19.017 --> 02:02:21.020 REGARDING THE >> THE 3882 02:02:21.020 --> 02:02:23.006 INVESTIGATION AND THAT'S FROM 3883 02:02:23.006 --> 02:02:26.026 REPORT THAT WE HAVE TODAY WHEN 3884 02:02:26.026 --> 02:02:31.022 ONE YEAR >> IS THIS A CLEAN 3885 02:02:31.022 --> 02:02:34.005 PROCESS AND I'VE SORT 3886 02:02:34.005 --> 02:02:37.009 OF DESCRIBED THAT AS A LOADED 3887 02:02:37.009 --> 02:02:38.002 QUESTION. YOU KNOW, IT WAS IS 3888 02:02:38.002 --> 02:02:40.018 THIS A CLEAN PROCESS IN LIGHT 3889 02:02:40.018 --> 02:02:41.025 OF THE PAST ISSUES THAT WE'VE 3890 02:02:41.025 --> 02:02:42.029 HAD TO DEAL WITH IN TERMS 3891 02:02:42.029 --> 02:02:43.009 OF RFP AND CONFLICTS 3892 02:02:43.009 --> 02:02:45.024 OF INTEREST AND YOU KNOW, 3893 02:02:45.024 --> 02:02:46.029 EVERYTHING THAT IT SORT OF LED 3894 02:02:46.029 --> 02:02:47.029 UP TO THAT POINT. YOU KNOW, 3895 02:02:47.029 --> 02:02:48.003 THERE WAS A YOU KNOW, ISSUE IN 3896 02:02:48.003 --> 02:02:50.004 MAY, YOU KNOW, CONCERNING THE 3897 02:02:50.004 --> 02:02:51.016 RFP OVER THE CUSP AND YOU KNOW, 3898 02:02:51.016 --> 02:02:52.009 ANOTHER ONE WE'RE GOING TO 3899 02:02:52.009 --> 02:02:54.005 REGARDING AN ISSUE AT THE 3900 02:02:54.005 --> 02:02:55.019 AIRPORT. SO THE QUESTION OF IS 3901 02:02:55.019 --> 02:02:56.001 IT A CLEAN PROCESS WAS VERY 3902 02:02:56.001 --> 02:02:59.016 SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSED TO THAT 3903 02:02:59.016 --> 02:03:00.002 CONTEXT IN THOSE CIRCUMSTANCE 3904 02:03:00.002 --> 02:03:02.019 WAS IN OUR SENSE IN TERMS 3905 02:03:02.019 --> 02:03:04.017 OF THE INTERVIEWS WE CONDUCTED 3906 02:03:04.017 --> 02:03:05.018 IS THAT EVERYONE UNDERSTOOD 3907 02:03:05.018 --> 02:03:06.010 THAT EVERYONE KNEW THAT AND 3908 02:03:06.010 --> 02:03:09.017 THEN THE CITY >> MANAGER 3909 02:03:09.017 --> 02:03:11.020 RESPOND TO THAT QUESTION AND 3910 02:03:11.020 --> 02:03:13.010 THEN THE QUESTIONING WENT OVER 3911 02:03:13.010 --> 02:03:15.005 TO COUNCILMEMBER PLEASANT AND 3912 02:03:15.005 --> 02:03:17.021 SHE ADDRESSED SPECIFICALLY THE 3913 02:03:17.021 --> 02:03:18.017 ISSUE OF COMMUNICATIONS WITH 3914 02:03:18.017 --> 02:03:20.001 CISCO AND ALSO ADDRESSED 3915 02:03:20.001 --> 02:03:22.018 SPECIFICALLY THE ISSUE OF NOT 3916 02:03:22.018 --> 02:03:23.021 WANTING TO BE IN THE POSITION 3917 02:03:23.021 --> 02:03:24.023 OF HAVING TO GO BACK AGAIN 3918 02:03:24.023 --> 02:03:25.015 AFTER FACT IF SOMETHING COMES 3919 02:03:25.015 --> 02:03:27.021 OUT THAT'S NOT DISCLOSED 3920 02:03:27.021 --> 02:03:28.025 AT THIS PARTICULAR POINT. 3921 02:03:28.025 --> 02:03:29.010 AGAIN, IMPORTANT CONTEXT IN 3922 02:03:29.010 --> 02:03:31.013 TERMS OF UNDERSTANDING IF 3923 02:03:31.013 --> 02:03:32.006 YOU'RE SITTING THERE ABOUT TO 3924 02:03:32.006 --> 02:03:33.020 ANSWER THE QUESTION WHAT IS IT 3925 02:03:33.020 --> 02:03:34.005 THAT THESE PEOPLE ACTUALLY WANT 3926 02:03:34.005 --> 02:03:36.011 ME TO ADDRESS? THE RESPONSE YOU 3927 02:03:36.011 --> 02:03:38.019 KNOW, IS INSTRUCTIVE, YOU KNOW, 3928 02:03:38.019 --> 02:03:40.011 IN THAT >> IN IN WHAT HAPPENED 3929 02:03:40.011 --> 02:03:44.021 IS THAT COUNCILMEMBER LIZARD'S 3930 02:03:44.021 --> 02:03:45.011 QUESTION WAS ADDRESSED 3931 02:03:45.011 --> 02:03:47.028 SPECIFICALLY TO THE THE CITY 3932 02:03:47.028 --> 02:03:48.026 ATTORNEY AT THE END OF THE CITY 3933 02:03:48.026 --> 02:03:51.011 ATTORNEY'S RESPONSE TO THE 3934 02:03:51.011 --> 02:03:53.012 QUESTION OF COMMUNICATIONS WITH 3935 02:03:53.012 --> 02:03:55.004 CISCO. YOU >> KNOW THE RESPONSE 3936 02:03:55.004 --> 02:03:58.024 YOU KNOW THE CHIEF OFFICER 3937 02:03:58.024 --> 02:03:59.027 STEPPED IN AT THAT POINT SAYS 3938 02:03:59.027 --> 02:04:00.027 MAY I MAKE A CLARIFICATION AS I 3939 02:04:00.027 --> 02:04:02.008 WAS RESPONDING TO 3940 02:04:02.008 --> 02:04:04.002 COUNCILMEMBER YEAGER'S QUESTION 3941 02:04:04.002 --> 02:04:05.007 WITH REGARD TO INVOLVEMENT 3942 02:04:05.007 --> 02:04:06.010 OF CISCO, I FAILED TO NOTE THAT 3943 02:04:06.010 --> 02:04:08.026 AFTER THE INITIAL REVIEW OF HOW 3944 02:04:08.026 --> 02:04:09.014 THE NETWORK WAS SHRUNK SHALL I 3945 02:04:09.014 --> 02:04:11.026 SAY CISCO WAS NOT INVOLVED IN 3946 02:04:11.026 --> 02:04:13.013 ANY OF THE PROCESS IN TERMS 3947 02:04:13.013 --> 02:04:15.014 OF THE DEVELOPMENT OF >> THE 3948 02:04:15.014 --> 02:04:16.026 RFP. OKAY. NOW JUST BY WAY 3949 02:04:16.026 --> 02:04:19.015 OF BACKGROUND, YOU MAY RECALL 3950 02:04:19.015 --> 02:04:22.011 THAT DURING THE COURSE THE >> 3951 02:04:22.011 --> 02:04:23.012 JUNE 22ND PRESENTATION SHE HAD 3952 02:04:23.012 --> 02:04:26.020 EXPLAINED >> WHAT HAD OCCURRED 3953 02:04:26.020 --> 02:04:28.009 IN TERMS OF WELL, ONCE WE 3954 02:04:28.009 --> 02:04:30.008 REALIZED THAT WE WERE GOING TO 3955 02:04:30.008 --> 02:04:31.004 HAVE TO WORK WITH A SMALLER 3956 02:04:31.004 --> 02:04:32.001 BUDGET, WE HAD TO BRING IT 3957 02:04:32.001 --> 02:04:33.007 DOWN. AND SO THAT'S WHEN WE 3958 02:04:33.007 --> 02:04:34.011 WENT TO CISCO TO DETERMINE 3959 02:04:34.011 --> 02:04:35.009 WHETHER OR NOT THE SOLUTION 3960 02:04:35.009 --> 02:04:36.013 WOULD STILL BE VIABLE UNDER 3961 02:04:36.013 --> 02:04:37.019 THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES. THAT 3962 02:04:37.019 --> 02:04:40.018 OBVIOUSLY >> IS A POINT IN TIME 3963 02:04:40.018 --> 02:04:42.000 PRIOR TO THE RFP GOING OUT. 3964 02:04:42.000 --> 02:04:45.003 OKAY. AND ESSENTIALLY THIS 3965 02:04:45.003 --> 02:04:47.002 STATEMENT TAKEN AT FACE VALUE 3966 02:04:47.002 --> 02:04:49.004 UNDERSTOOD AT FACE VALUE IS 3967 02:04:49.004 --> 02:04:50.004 THAT WE DIDN'T TALK TO THEM 3968 02:04:50.004 --> 02:04:51.024 AFTER THAT POINT BECAUSE SHE 3969 02:04:51.024 --> 02:04:52.023 THEN GOES ON TO SAY AND I WANT 3970 02:04:52.023 --> 02:04:54.013 TO MAKE THAT PERFECTLY CLEAR 3971 02:04:54.013 --> 02:04:56.025 THE INVOLVEMENT STOPPED AT THAT 3972 02:04:56.025 --> 02:04:57.020 POINT WHERE WE GOT CONFIRMATION 3973 02:04:57.020 --> 02:04:59.008 THAT THE PROPOSED SOLUTION WAS 3974 02:04:59.008 --> 02:05:01.001 A VIABLE SOLUTION AND THAT IT 3975 02:05:01.001 --> 02:05:03.026 WOULD MEET THE CITY'S 3976 02:05:03.026 --> 02:05:03.018 PERFORMANCE REQUIREMENTS. THEY 3977 02:05:03.018 --> 02:05:05.007 DID NOT HAVE ADVANCE NOTICE 3978 02:05:05.007 --> 02:05:07.021 OF THE RFP. THEY DID NOT 3979 02:05:07.021 --> 02:05:08.020 INVOLVE THEMSELVES IN THE 3980 02:05:08.020 --> 02:05:09.012 PREPARATION OF THE RFP. I JUST 3981 02:05:09.012 --> 02:05:11.024 WANTED TO MAKE CLARIFICATION >> 3982 02:05:11.024 --> 02:05:13.027 AND SO YOU KNOW, THIS STATEMENT 3983 02:05:13.027 --> 02:05:15.016 >> TAKEN >> AT FACE VALUE SAYS 3984 02:05:15.016 --> 02:05:19.026 AFTER SOME POINT PRIOR TO THE 3985 02:05:19.026 --> 02:05:20.029 RFP GOING OUT WE DIDN'T HAVE 3986 02:05:20.029 --> 02:05:21.000 ANY CONVERSATION OR OR 3987 02:05:21.000 --> 02:05:24.001 INTERACTION. NOW >> IN TALKING 3988 02:05:24.001 --> 02:05:27.009 TO MS. >> WHICH SHE SAID THAT 3989 02:05:27.009 --> 02:05:29.024 WHAT I WAS TRYING TO ASSURE 3990 02:05:29.024 --> 02:05:30.000 THEM IS THAT THE EVALUATION AND 3991 02:05:30.000 --> 02:05:33.025 SELECTION PROCESS WAS NOT 3992 02:05:33.025 --> 02:05:34.016 INFECTED BY COMMUNICATIONS WITH 3993 02:05:34.016 --> 02:05:36.001 CISCO THAT THERE WAS NOT GOING 3994 02:05:36.001 --> 02:05:38.027 TO BE AN ISSUE OF SOMEONE 3995 02:05:38.027 --> 02:05:38.021 COMING BACK AND SAYING WELL 3996 02:05:38.021 --> 02:05:39.006 CISCO YOU KNOW, PUSHED YOU IN 3997 02:05:39.006 --> 02:05:41.001 THIS DIRECTION OR THAT 3998 02:05:41.001 --> 02:05:42.003 DIRECTION BECAUSE 3999 02:05:42.003 --> 02:05:43.003 OF COMMUNICATIONS OCCURRING 4000 02:05:43.003 --> 02:05:44.003 DURING THAT PERIOD AND YOU 4001 02:05:44.003 --> 02:05:47.027 KNOW, THERE'S A CERTAIN LOGIC 4002 02:05:47.027 --> 02:05:48.011 TO THAT YOU KNOW, IN THAT YOU 4003 02:05:48.011 --> 02:05:50.015 KNOW, EVEN IF THERE HAD BEEN 4004 02:05:50.015 --> 02:05:51.017 SOME ISSUES, YOU KNOW, GOING ON 4005 02:05:51.017 --> 02:05:52.021 BEFORE THE RFP WENT OUT, IF THE 4006 02:05:52.021 --> 02:05:54.025 FACT WHEN YOU REALLY GOT DOWN 4007 02:05:54.025 --> 02:05:55.000 TO THE QUESTION WHICH WAS GOING 4008 02:05:55.000 --> 02:05:57.001 TO BE MOST IMPORTANT, EVERYONE 4009 02:05:57.001 --> 02:05:58.014 WHO'S GOING TO GET THE CONTRACT 4010 02:05:58.014 --> 02:05:59.019 AND YOU COULDN'T THERE WAS NO 4011 02:05:59.019 --> 02:06:00.028 EVIDENCE THAT OCCURRED THAT 4012 02:06:00.028 --> 02:06:01.015 WOULD BE AT LEAST YOU KNOW, 4013 02:06:01.015 --> 02:06:03.016 SOME USE YOU KNOW, THE 4014 02:06:03.016 --> 02:06:04.015 DIFFICULTY WITH THAT LOGIC IS 4015 02:06:04.015 --> 02:06:06.006 THAT THE RECORD ASSEMBLED BY 4016 02:06:06.006 --> 02:06:08.010 THE CITY AUDITOR, THE CITY 4017 02:06:08.010 --> 02:06:09.009 ATTORNEY IN THE COURSE OF THEIR 4018 02:06:09.009 --> 02:06:10.027 INVESTIGATION INDICATE THAT THE 4019 02:06:10.027 --> 02:06:11.004 COMMUNICATIONS DID STILL >> 4020 02:06:11.004 --> 02:06:13.003 CONTINUE ON OKAY IN SETTING 4021 02:06:13.003 --> 02:06:15.003 APART, YOU KNOW, THE MAY 14TH 4022 02:06:15.003 --> 02:06:17.011 MEETING THAT WE HAD TALKED 4023 02:06:17.011 --> 02:06:18.022 ABOUT THERE WERE STILL OTHER 4024 02:06:18.022 --> 02:06:19.001 COMMUNICATIONS INTERACTIONS 4025 02:06:19.001 --> 02:06:21.001 WHICH OCCURRED CLEARLY DURING 4026 02:06:21.001 --> 02:06:23.022 THE PERIOD OF TIME THE 4027 02:06:23.022 --> 02:06:23.005 EVALUATION PROCESS WAS >> GOING 4028 02:06:23.005 --> 02:06:25.003 ON. HER RESPONSE NO 4029 02:06:25.003 --> 02:06:27.019 INAPPROPRIATE COMMENTS YOU 4030 02:06:27.019 --> 02:06:28.001 KNOW, THAT IS HOW WE UNDERSTAND 4031 02:06:28.001 --> 02:06:31.021 THAT SHE RESPONDED TO INQUIRIES 4032 02:06:31.021 --> 02:06:32.004 MADE BY THE CITY ATTORNEY WHEN 4033 02:06:32.004 --> 02:06:35.009 SHE HAD THAT CONVERSATION WITH 4034 02:06:35.009 --> 02:06:36.013 AND THAT'S HOW SHE INDICATED 4035 02:06:36.013 --> 02:06:37.022 THAT SHE WAS RESPONDING. AND 4036 02:06:37.022 --> 02:06:38.004 AGAIN SHE WAS REFERENCING THE 4037 02:06:38.004 --> 02:06:40.020 FACT THAT THERE WERE A NUMBER 4038 02:06:40.020 --> 02:06:41.011 OF OTHER TECHNOLOGY I YEAH, I 4039 02:06:41.011 --> 02:06:46.016 WAS ABOUT TO SAY THINGS BUT I 4040 02:06:46.016 --> 02:06:47.003 DIDN'T WANT TO GET TOO 4041 02:06:47.003 --> 02:06:48.015 TECHNICAL THINK >> THERE WERE 4042 02:06:48.015 --> 02:06:49.016 GOING ON THAT DID NOT INVOLVE 4043 02:06:49.016 --> 02:06:52.013 THE >> CONVERGED THAT SHE WAS 4044 02:06:52.013 --> 02:06:54.024 DEALING WITH CISCO WITH REGARD 4045 02:06:54.024 --> 02:06:56.021 WITH RESPECT TO AND SO SHE 4046 02:06:56.021 --> 02:06:58.000 WANTED TO DISTINGUISH YOU KNOW 4047 02:06:58.000 --> 02:07:00.005 THOSE THINGS AS OPPOSED TO 4048 02:07:00.005 --> 02:07:01.021 OTHER THINGS. SO OKAY, >> WELL 4049 02:07:01.021 --> 02:07:03.027 THANK YOU. I GUESS AT THIS 4050 02:07:03.027 --> 02:07:07.029 POINT IN TIME IT'S UNFORTUNATE 4051 02:07:07.029 --> 02:07:11.021 THAT WE WE WERE INTO THE 4052 02:07:11.021 --> 02:07:14.006 SITUATION THAT WE ARE TODAY. 4053 02:07:14.006 --> 02:07:18.000 AND >> YOUR ASSESSMENT AFTER 4054 02:07:18.000 --> 02:07:20.007 YOU'VE DONE THE EVALUATION, 4055 02:07:20.007 --> 02:07:24.011 WILL WE BE ABLE TO RECOVER >> I 4056 02:07:24.011 --> 02:07:28.019 MEAN BASED ON WHAT YOU FOUND 4057 02:07:28.019 --> 02:07:29.004 AND THE LEVEL OF THE EXTENT TO 4058 02:07:29.004 --> 02:07:32.003 WHICH THE THE INVOLVEMENT 4059 02:07:32.003 --> 02:07:38.027 OF OUR TECHNOLOGY CIO >> AND 4060 02:07:38.027 --> 02:07:41.022 THE ASSISTANT AND THOSE 4061 02:07:41.022 --> 02:07:43.009 INDIVIDUAL WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR 4062 02:07:43.009 --> 02:07:45.002 GETTING OUT AN RFP THAT THE 4063 02:07:45.002 --> 02:07:49.024 STRUCTURE THAT WE PUT IN PLACE, 4064 02:07:49.024 --> 02:07:50.019 ARE YOU CONFIDENT THAT WE WOULD 4065 02:07:50.019 --> 02:07:52.024 BE ABLE TO TO SEE >> YOU KNOW, 4066 02:07:52.024 --> 02:07:57.004 COUNCILMEMBER IN TERMS 4067 02:07:57.004 --> 02:07:59.014 OF ADDRESSING THAT? YOU KNOW, I 4068 02:07:59.014 --> 02:08:00.013 WOULD JUST REITERATE THAT YOU A 4069 02:08:00.013 --> 02:08:02.009 NUMBER OF THE ISSUES THAT WE'VE 4070 02:08:02.009 --> 02:08:04.006 IN OUR REPORT, YOU KNOW, COME 4071 02:08:04.006 --> 02:08:06.009 WITH THE CONCLUSION YOU KNOW 4072 02:08:06.009 --> 02:08:08.026 THERE'S TYPES OF CONCLUSIONS IN 4073 02:08:08.026 --> 02:08:09.021 TERMS OF SOME OF THE THINGS 4074 02:08:09.021 --> 02:08:10.000 THAT WE WERE DEALING WITH. WAS 4075 02:08:10.000 --> 02:08:12.005 THIS A PROBLEM IN AND 4076 02:08:12.005 --> 02:08:13.016 OF ITSELF? WAS THIS SIMPLY A 4077 02:08:13.016 --> 02:08:14.003 PROBLEM BECAUSE IT GOES TO SOME 4078 02:08:14.003 --> 02:08:16.008 OTHER ISSUE OF FAILURE 4079 02:08:16.008 --> 02:08:17.028 OF DISCLOSURE, YOU KNOW, 4080 02:08:17.028 --> 02:08:18.028 UNTRUTHFULNESS DURING THE 4081 02:08:18.028 --> 02:08:19.001 COURSE OF AN INVESTIGATION, 4082 02:08:19.001 --> 02:08:21.020 THAT SORT OF THING. AND MOST 4083 02:08:21.020 --> 02:08:22.007 OF THE ISSUES THAT WE'RE 4084 02:08:22.007 --> 02:08:23.006 DEALING WITH, YOU KNOW, IN 4085 02:08:23.006 --> 02:08:24.016 TERMS OF OUR REPORT, YOU KNOW, 4086 02:08:24.016 --> 02:08:25.007 FALL INTO THE CATEGORY YOU 4087 02:08:25.007 --> 02:08:27.024 KNOW, ISSUES REGARDING YOUR 4088 02:08:27.024 --> 02:08:28.002 DISCLOSURES, YOU KNOW, FOR 4089 02:08:28.002 --> 02:08:30.021 EXAMPLE, THE MAY 14TH MEETING, 4090 02:08:30.021 --> 02:08:31.029 YOU KNOW OUR CONCERN OR THE 4091 02:08:31.029 --> 02:08:32.010 ISSUE RAISED THERE WAS, YOU 4092 02:08:32.010 --> 02:08:34.000 KNOW, THE QUESTION 4093 02:08:34.000 --> 02:08:35.011 OF DISCLOSURE AND NOT THE FACT 4094 02:08:35.011 --> 02:08:36.016 THAT ANYTHING HAD OCCURRED IN 4095 02:08:36.016 --> 02:08:37.017 THAT MEETING WHICH IN AND 4096 02:08:37.017 --> 02:08:38.020 OF ITSELF CREATED A CONFLICT 4097 02:08:38.020 --> 02:08:41.020 OF INTEREST OR SOME OTHER 4098 02:08:41.020 --> 02:08:42.020 IMPEDIMENT TO THE PROCESS. 4099 02:08:42.020 --> 02:08:44.026 LIKEWISE, YOU KNOW, THE 4100 02:08:44.026 --> 02:08:45.003 INFORMATION WE FOUND WITH 4101 02:08:45.003 --> 02:08:47.003 REGARD TO SOME OF THE EARLIER 4102 02:08:47.003 --> 02:08:49.027 CONTACTS, IT APPEARS TO US THAT 4103 02:08:49.027 --> 02:08:51.015 THERE'S NO EVIDENCE WHICH 4104 02:08:51.015 --> 02:08:53.016 CREATES AN OBSTACLE. BUT YOU 4105 02:08:53.016 --> 02:08:55.022 KNOW, WE WOULD DEFER THE CITY 4106 02:08:55.022 --> 02:08:56.029 ATTORNEY IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, 4107 02:08:56.029 --> 02:08:57.001 MAKING THAT EVALUATION BECAUSE 4108 02:08:57.001 --> 02:09:00.018 WE YOU KNOW, WE JUST BELIEVE 4109 02:09:00.018 --> 02:09:01.019 THAT THAT'S BEYOND THE SCOPE 4110 02:09:01.019 --> 02:09:02.002 OF OUR INVESTIGATION. YOU KNOW, 4111 02:09:02.002 --> 02:09:04.011 WE'VE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO TO 4112 02:09:04.011 --> 02:09:06.023 REVIEW THE CITY MANAGER REFORMS 4113 02:09:06.023 --> 02:09:09.014 THAT HAVE BEEN REPORTED IN IN 4114 02:09:09.014 --> 02:09:11.005 THE CITY AUDITORS REPORT, YOU 4115 02:09:11.005 --> 02:09:13.026 KNOW, WITH THEIR OPINION 4116 02:09:13.026 --> 02:09:14.018 OF THOSE AND AND AGAIN, YOU 4117 02:09:14.018 --> 02:09:16.027 KNOW, WE YOU KNOW WE WE DON'T 4118 02:09:16.027 --> 02:09:18.027 FEEL THAT IT'S OUR POSITION, 4119 02:09:18.027 --> 02:09:19.007 YOU KNOW, TO SECOND GUESS THEM 4120 02:09:19.007 --> 02:09:21.019 ON THOSE AND IN TERMS 4121 02:09:21.019 --> 02:09:22.018 OF LOOKING AT THEM, THEY DO 4122 02:09:22.018 --> 02:09:23.003 ADDRESS THE TYPES OF THINGS 4123 02:09:23.003 --> 02:09:25.025 THAT WE FOUND IN THE COURSE 4124 02:09:25.025 --> 02:09:26.029 OF OUR INVESTIGATION AS WELL 4125 02:09:26.029 --> 02:09:27.000 TOO. SO I WOULD SAY THAT FOR 4126 02:09:27.000 --> 02:09:30.024 THE MOST PART YOU KNOW, WE'RE 4127 02:09:30.024 --> 02:09:31.004 TALKING ABOUT THINGS IN PLACE 4128 02:09:31.004 --> 02:09:34.026 AND THAT ARE HAPPENING WHICH 4129 02:09:34.026 --> 02:09:36.012 AGAIN IF THEY HAD HAPPENED 4130 02:09:36.012 --> 02:09:38.019 EARLIER PERHAPS WE WOULD HAVE 4131 02:09:38.019 --> 02:09:39.020 AVOIDED SOME OF THESE THINGS 4132 02:09:39.020 --> 02:09:40.019 THAT I THINK ARE IN THE RIGHT 4133 02:09:40.019 --> 02:09:41.022 DIRECTION CLEARLY. SO >> 4134 02:09:41.022 --> 02:09:43.009 MY UNDERSTANDING WOULD BE THAT 4135 02:09:43.009 --> 02:09:45.020 YOU VIEW IT AS MORE OF A 4136 02:09:45.020 --> 02:09:47.023 PROCESS ISSUE RATHER THAN AN 4137 02:09:47.023 --> 02:09:50.005 INCORRIGIBLE CORRUPTIBLE SET 4138 02:09:50.005 --> 02:09:53.012 OF INDIVIDUALS DESIGNED TO TAKE 4139 02:09:53.012 --> 02:09:56.015 ADVANTAGE OF THE SYSTEM AND AND 4140 02:09:56.015 --> 02:09:58.028 TO THEIR OWN BENEFIT OR SO WE 4141 02:09:58.028 --> 02:10:02.011 ARE IT'S REDEEMABLE IN THE 4142 02:10:02.011 --> 02:10:04.025 SENSE THAT IF WE MAKE THE 4143 02:10:04.025 --> 02:10:05.029 CORRECTIONS AND WE MAKE THE 4144 02:10:05.029 --> 02:10:06.013 ADJUSTMENTS THAT WE CAN RECOVER 4145 02:10:06.013 --> 02:10:09.026 AND THAT WE DO HAVE GOOD 4146 02:10:09.026 --> 02:10:10.007 EMPLOYEES WORKING FOR US AND 4147 02:10:10.007 --> 02:10:13.014 THAT THEY ARE DETERMINED TO DO 4148 02:10:13.014 --> 02:10:14.001 THE WORK THAT WE WANT THEM TO 4149 02:10:14.001 --> 02:10:16.022 DO JUST THAT IN THE EXUBERANCE 4150 02:10:16.022 --> 02:10:18.020 OF THEIR EFFORTS THEY TEND TO 4151 02:10:18.020 --> 02:10:21.017 PERHAPS BE MORE THAN YOU KNOW, 4152 02:10:21.017 --> 02:10:26.001 WHATEVER IT IT TAKES TO GET THE 4153 02:10:26.001 --> 02:10:28.019 JOB DONE RATHER THAN CORRUPT. 4154 02:10:28.019 --> 02:10:31.003 WE SEE IN THE PAPER OFTEN THE 4155 02:10:31.003 --> 02:10:33.009 CORRUPTION, CORRUPTION, 4156 02:10:33.009 --> 02:10:34.011 CORRUPTION I DON'T HAVE THAT 4157 02:10:34.011 --> 02:10:36.003 SENSE. I THINK THAT A LOT 4158 02:10:36.003 --> 02:10:39.011 OF WORK HAS BEEN DONE AND WAS 4159 02:10:39.011 --> 02:10:40.027 DONE BUT IN AN EFFORT TO TO 4160 02:10:40.027 --> 02:10:43.014 EXCEL THEY CHEAT >> SOMETIMES. 4161 02:10:43.014 --> 02:10:46.005 I MEAN, YOU KNOW ALL OF THE TOP 4162 02:10:46.005 --> 02:10:48.012 STUDENTS SOMETIMES YOU KNOW WE 4163 02:10:48.012 --> 02:10:49.017 HAD THAT PROBLEM ONCE UPON A 4164 02:10:49.017 --> 02:10:50.020 TIME BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO 4165 02:10:50.020 --> 02:10:52.026 ACHIEVE THEY WANTED TO SHOW. SO 4166 02:10:52.026 --> 02:10:54.016 I THINK IF WE CAN CORRECT THOSE 4167 02:10:54.016 --> 02:10:58.026 DEFICIENCIES, PUT A PROCESS 4168 02:10:58.026 --> 02:11:00.029 PLACE THAT WILL REDEEM AND 4169 02:11:00.029 --> 02:11:02.003 ALLOW US TO REALLY GET THE BEST 4170 02:11:02.003 --> 02:11:07.019 FROM OUR EMPLOYEES, I THINK THE 4171 02:11:07.019 --> 02:11:09.013 REPORT INDICATES THAT FROM WHAT 4172 02:11:09.013 --> 02:11:11.025 I'VE READ SO FAR AND THE 4173 02:11:11.025 --> 02:11:13.006 STATEMENTS THAT YOU'VE MADE SO 4174 02:11:13.006 --> 02:11:16.011 I'M CONFIDENT THAT WE WILL 4175 02:11:16.011 --> 02:11:19.007 WE'LL GET GOING WE'LL WE'LL GET 4176 02:11:19.007 --> 02:11:22.012 ABOVE THIS. THE ONLY ONE 4177 02:11:22.012 --> 02:11:24.002 CONCERN I HAVE IS AS WE I THINK 4178 02:11:24.002 --> 02:11:28.005 WE IN A SENSE OWE SOME 4179 02:11:28.005 --> 02:11:31.013 RESPONSIBILITY BECAUSE WE HAVE 4180 02:11:31.013 --> 02:11:33.015 BEEN TRYING TO COME UP TO THE 4181 02:11:33.015 --> 02:11:35.001 TECHNOLOGY STANDARD OR LEVEL OR 4182 02:11:35.001 --> 02:11:41.003 EXPECTATION LEVEL TECHNOLOGY 4183 02:11:41.003 --> 02:11:44.016 OF THE WORLD AND WE ARE BEHIND 4184 02:11:44.016 --> 02:11:46.014 AND WE ARE TRYING TO GET THERE 4185 02:11:46.014 --> 02:11:48.007 AND WE HAVE TECHNOLOGY 4186 02:11:48.007 --> 02:11:50.017 COMPANIES HERE IN THIS VALLEY 4187 02:11:50.017 --> 02:11:51.007 THAT WE'VE SAID ECONOMICS TELLS 4188 02:11:51.007 --> 02:11:54.021 US WE OUGHT TO TAKE ADVANTAGE 4189 02:11:54.021 --> 02:11:55.013 OF THAT AND I THINK IN THAT 4190 02:11:55.013 --> 02:11:58.012 RELATIONSHIP IT HAS TO BE I 4191 02:11:58.012 --> 02:12:00.026 BELIEVE CLEANED UP SOMEWHAT SO 4192 02:12:00.026 --> 02:12:02.024 THAT WE WILL UNDERSTAND HOW TO 4193 02:12:02.024 --> 02:12:04.007 RELATE BECAUSE WE ENCOURAGE 4194 02:12:04.007 --> 02:12:08.016 THAT RELATIONSHIP DRIVE 4195 02:12:08.016 --> 02:12:09.025 ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND WE 4196 02:12:09.025 --> 02:12:10.006 WANT THAT RELATIONSHIP AND I 4197 02:12:10.006 --> 02:12:12.019 THINK MAYBE SOME OF THE 4198 02:12:12.019 --> 02:12:13.010 EMPLOYEES SORT OF HAD THAT 4199 02:12:13.010 --> 02:12:15.021 FEELING I HAVE THAT SENSE THAT 4200 02:12:15.021 --> 02:12:17.016 THERE WAS A MINIMUM 4201 02:12:17.016 --> 02:12:18.016 RELATIONSHIP THAT COULD 4202 02:12:18.016 --> 02:12:19.000 ESTABLISH TO HELP US GET TO A 4203 02:12:19.000 --> 02:12:21.013 PLACE BECAUSE THE CORPORATIONS 4204 02:12:21.013 --> 02:12:23.029 HAD INDICATED THEY WANT TO HELP 4205 02:12:23.029 --> 02:12:24.008 US, THEY WANT TO HELP US GET 4206 02:12:24.008 --> 02:12:26.025 THERE. AND SO I'M HOPEFUL THAT 4207 02:12:26.025 --> 02:12:31.000 WE'LL BE GET WE'LL GET THROUGH 4208 02:12:31.000 --> 02:12:33.013 THIS. SO THANKS FOR THE REPORT 4209 02:12:33.013 --> 02:12:34.000 >> HERE IN IF >> I MAY. YOU 4210 02:12:34.000 --> 02:12:36.000 KNOW, COUNCILMEMBER WILLIAMS, 4211 02:12:36.000 --> 02:12:37.011 YOU KNOW THAT GOES TO YOU KNOW, 4212 02:12:37.011 --> 02:12:38.000 ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS 4213 02:12:38.000 --> 02:12:40.005 AT THE END OF THE REPORT 4214 02:12:40.005 --> 02:12:41.006 REGARDING, >> YOU KNOW, AN 4215 02:12:41.006 --> 02:12:44.024 AGREEMENT YOU KNOW, WHICH 4216 02:12:44.024 --> 02:12:45.009 GOVERNS THE RELATIONSHIP. YOU 4217 02:12:45.009 --> 02:12:48.010 KNOW, ONE OF THE INTERESTING 4218 02:12:48.010 --> 02:12:49.016 THAT YOU KNOW, INTERESTING 4219 02:12:49.016 --> 02:12:50.027 EXCHANGES, YOU KNOW, WAS >> YOU 4220 02:12:50.027 --> 02:12:52.002 KNOW, HEARING THAT WELL, IT WAS 4221 02:12:52.002 --> 02:12:55.020 OKAY TO TALK TO CISCO BECAUSE 4222 02:12:55.020 --> 02:12:56.020 WE WERE STANDARDIZED ON AND IT 4223 02:12:56.020 --> 02:12:58.006 SORT OF MISSED THE POINT 4224 02:12:58.006 --> 02:13:00.012 OF WELL, NO STANDARDIZATION 4225 02:13:00.012 --> 02:13:01.018 SORT OF GETS YOU KNOW, TO THE 4226 02:13:01.018 --> 02:13:02.009 ISSUE OF, YOU KNOW, WHO YOU 4227 02:13:02.009 --> 02:13:04.014 HAVE TO LOOK AT FOR THIS. BUT 4228 02:13:04.014 --> 02:13:06.016 THERE STILL EVEN IF YOU'RE 4229 02:13:06.016 --> 02:13:07.020 STANDARDIZED ON THEM AND YOU 4230 02:13:07.020 --> 02:13:08.019 KNOW, THERE'S STILL THE ISSUE 4231 02:13:08.019 --> 02:13:09.024 OF THE POTENTIAL FOR CONFLICTS 4232 02:13:09.024 --> 02:13:10.022 OF INTEREST AND YOU KNOW, YOU 4233 02:13:10.022 --> 02:13:12.008 KNOW, FOR INTERFERENCE WITH A 4234 02:13:12.008 --> 02:13:14.019 GOOD EVALUATION SELECTION 4235 02:13:14.019 --> 02:13:15.021 PROCESS AND THAT COMES THE 4236 02:13:15.021 --> 02:13:17.001 APPROPRIATE AGREEMENT WHICH 4237 02:13:17.001 --> 02:13:19.007 GOVERNS THE RELATIONSHIP, YOU 4238 02:13:19.007 --> 02:13:20.027 KNOW, BE BETWEEN YOU KNOW THE 4239 02:13:20.027 --> 02:13:21.015 CITY AND THE ORIGINAL EQUIPMENT 4240 02:13:21.015 --> 02:13:23.026 MANUFACTURER THAT IT'S 4241 02:13:23.026 --> 02:13:24.007 STANDARDIZED UPON AND THERE 4242 02:13:24.007 --> 02:13:27.000 THERE WAS SOME THERE WAS A 4243 02:13:27.000 --> 02:13:29.019 CERTAIN LEVEL 4244 02:13:29.019 --> 02:13:29.025 OF MISUNDERSTANDING OF THAT 4245 02:13:29.025 --> 02:13:30.021 PRINCIPLE WHICH WAS AT PLAY 4246 02:13:30.021 --> 02:13:32.001 HERE, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF YOU 4247 02:13:32.001 --> 02:13:34.017 KNOW, PEOPLE UNDERSTANDING, YOU 4248 02:13:34.017 --> 02:13:35.010 KNOW, WHERE THE LINE IS DRAWN 4249 02:13:35.010 --> 02:13:37.025 BECAUSE THE SOLUTION TO THIS 4250 02:13:37.025 --> 02:13:38.003 PROBLEM WAS FAIRLY 4251 02:13:38.003 --> 02:13:40.023 STRAIGHTFORWARD >> AND WAS NOT 4252 02:13:40.023 --> 02:13:42.029 YOU KNOW, NEARLY YOU KNOW, IS 4253 02:13:42.029 --> 02:13:43.024 ONEROUS, YOU KNOW, IS PERHAPS 4254 02:13:43.024 --> 02:13:45.029 IMAGINED. RIGHT. THANK YOU, MR. 4255 02:13:45.029 --> 02:13:47.002 MAYOR. RIGHT. THANK >> YOU, 4256 02:13:47.002 --> 02:13:50.016 COUNCILMEMBER CORTEZ. WELL, 4257 02:13:50.016 --> 02:13:53.015 THANK YOU. I KIND OF HAVE A 4258 02:13:53.015 --> 02:13:57.018 FEELING LISTENING TODAY AS I 4259 02:13:57.018 --> 02:14:00.020 DID WHEN I FIRST HEARD THE 4260 02:14:00.020 --> 02:14:02.017 RESULTS OF THE WARREN 4261 02:14:02.017 --> 02:14:03.016 COMMISSION REPORT. IT SEEMS 4262 02:14:03.016 --> 02:14:05.005 LIKE MORE QUESTIONS >> HAVE 4263 02:14:05.005 --> 02:14:07.002 BEEN RAISED THAN HAVE BEEN 4264 02:14:07.002 --> 02:14:08.027 ANSWERED IN AND AT THE SAME 4265 02:14:08.027 --> 02:14:09.008 TIME WHAT WE'RE HEARING OR 4266 02:14:09.008 --> 02:14:11.012 WHAT'S BEING RECOMMENDED TODAY 4267 02:14:11.012 --> 02:14:12.007 IS THAT WE'VE WE'VE REACHED A 4268 02:14:12.007 --> 02:14:14.012 PLACE OF CLOSURE AND WE SHOULD 4269 02:14:14.012 --> 02:14:15.029 ALL BE ABLE TO WALK AWAY AND 4270 02:14:15.029 --> 02:14:16.011 AND FEEL THAT WE'RE DONE. AND I 4271 02:14:16.011 --> 02:14:20.009 JUST HAVE >> CONTINUING 4272 02:14:20.009 --> 02:14:23.026 CONCERNS. PERHAPS SOME OF THOSE 4273 02:14:23.026 --> 02:14:24.003 CONCERNS WOULD BE ANSWERED 4274 02:14:24.003 --> 02:14:27.024 GIVEN A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME TO 4275 02:14:27.024 --> 02:14:28.026 GO OVER THE VOLUMINOUS AMOUNT 4276 02:14:28.026 --> 02:14:29.008 OF INFORMATION THAT'S BEEN 4277 02:14:29.008 --> 02:14:32.004 FORWARDED >> TO EACH OF US IN 4278 02:14:32.004 --> 02:14:34.001 THE LAST 24 HOURS WHICH AT THIS 4279 02:14:34.001 --> 02:14:37.021 POINT IS AT LEAST TWO THREE 4280 02:14:37.021 --> 02:14:39.002 RING BINDERS AND AT LEAST ONE 4281 02:14:39.002 --> 02:14:42.020 SUPPLEMENTAL REPORT IF NOT TWO 4282 02:14:42.020 --> 02:14:43.016 I'M NOT SURE. SO JUST GOING TO 4283 02:14:43.016 --> 02:14:46.023 THAT ISSUE DIRECTLY I HAVE TO 4284 02:14:46.023 --> 02:14:48.005 SAY GOING BACK TO THE MAYOR'S 4285 02:14:48.005 --> 02:14:51.015 OPENING COMMENTS THAT I CAN'T 4286 02:14:51.015 --> 02:14:53.019 IMAGINE HOW WE COULD POSSIBLY 4287 02:14:53.019 --> 02:14:55.029 FEEL COMFORTABLE HAVING 4288 02:14:55.029 --> 02:14:56.028 INVESTED THIS MUCH IN TERMS 4289 02:14:56.028 --> 02:14:59.016 OF RESOURCES AND INVESTIGATION 4290 02:14:59.016 --> 02:15:02.007 CONCLUDING OR CLOSING OUT OR 4291 02:15:02.007 --> 02:15:04.020 TAKING SOME ACTION TODAY THAT 4292 02:15:04.020 --> 02:15:05.006 WOULD THAT WOULD FINALIZE THIS. 4293 02:15:05.006 --> 02:15:08.013 WE'VE GOT TO TAKE ADVANTAGE 4294 02:15:08.013 --> 02:15:09.002 OF THE WORK THAT'S BEEN 4295 02:15:09.002 --> 02:15:10.004 PRESENTED US. I READ AS 4296 02:15:10.004 --> 02:15:12.014 PROFICIENTLY AS I CAN >> I 4297 02:15:12.014 --> 02:15:16.000 DON'T KNOW ABOUT COLLEAGUES BUT 4298 02:15:16.000 --> 02:15:18.021 I JUST I READ AS PROFICIENTLY 4299 02:15:18.021 --> 02:15:19.026 AS I POSSIBLY CAN UNTIL I WAS 4300 02:15:19.026 --> 02:15:21.024 EXHAUSTED LAST NIGHT AND YOU 4301 02:15:21.024 --> 02:15:23.017 KNOW, I BARELY PUT DENT IN THIS 4302 02:15:23.017 --> 02:15:25.018 MATERIAL SO IT'S JUST AN 4303 02:15:25.018 --> 02:15:27.011 INITIAL REQUEST. I FEEL LIKE 4304 02:15:27.011 --> 02:15:29.021 WHAT AT LEAST HAS TO HAPPEN IS 4305 02:15:29.021 --> 02:15:30.010 WE HAVE TO HAVE THE 4306 02:15:30.010 --> 02:15:32.024 INVESTIGATORS COME BACK IN THE 4307 02:15:32.024 --> 02:15:34.027 TWO WEEK TIMEFRAME AND BE 4308 02:15:34.027 --> 02:15:35.025 AVAILABLE FOR ADDITIONAL 4309 02:15:35.025 --> 02:15:36.028 QUESTIONS AND THEY SHOULD BE 4310 02:15:36.028 --> 02:15:37.026 AVAILABLE IN THE INTERIM TO 4311 02:15:37.026 --> 02:15:39.011 TAKE QUESTIONS OR TO INTERACT 4312 02:15:39.011 --> 02:15:42.001 WITH COUNCIL MEMBERS. THEY 4313 02:15:42.001 --> 02:15:46.019 QUESTIONED US ONCE ALREADY. I 4314 02:15:46.019 --> 02:15:47.010 THINK IT'S OPPORTUNE FOR US NOW 4315 02:15:47.010 --> 02:15:49.027 TO QUESTION THEM, PRESENT 4316 02:15:49.027 --> 02:15:52.028 QUESTIONS TO THEM IN A WRITTEN 4317 02:15:52.028 --> 02:15:54.015 PROCESS. THEY'VE JUST ON THAT 4318 02:15:54.015 --> 02:15:56.006 POINT I WILL ASK THE CITY 4319 02:15:56.006 --> 02:15:58.024 ATTORNEY TO COMMENT ON THAT ON 4320 02:15:58.024 --> 02:15:59.008 YOUR ISSUE REGARDING THEM 4321 02:15:59.008 --> 02:16:01.008 RESPONDING TO INDIVIDUAL 4322 02:16:01.008 --> 02:16:02.026 QUESTIONS, I BELIEVE THAT'S A A 4323 02:16:02.026 --> 02:16:03.002 BROWN ACT ISSUE BUT I WANT TO 4324 02:16:03.002 --> 02:16:05.023 HAVE RICK GIVE THAT ANSWER I 4325 02:16:05.023 --> 02:16:06.013 THINK >> TO THE EXTENT THAT THE 4326 02:16:06.013 --> 02:16:08.011 COUNCIL MEMBERS WANT TO FURNISH 4327 02:16:08.011 --> 02:16:10.000 WRITTEN QUESTIONS OR HAVE 4328 02:16:10.000 --> 02:16:12.024 QUESTIONS THAT THEY WOULD LIKE 4329 02:16:12.024 --> 02:16:13.021 ADDRESSED BY THE INVESTIGATORS, 4330 02:16:13.021 --> 02:16:17.004 I THINK THAT'S APPROPRIATE. BUT 4331 02:16:17.004 --> 02:16:20.001 ONE ON ONE CONVERSATION IS 4332 02:16:20.001 --> 02:16:22.003 OUTSIDE OF THE PUBLIC HEARING 4333 02:16:22.003 --> 02:16:23.005 PROCESS GIVEN THE FACT THAT WE 4334 02:16:23.005 --> 02:16:24.012 HAVE THESE REPORTS AND THE 4335 02:16:24.012 --> 02:16:25.011 SUBJECT MATTER OF THE 4336 02:16:25.011 --> 02:16:27.001 DISCUSSION THAT SHOULD BE DONE 4337 02:16:27.001 --> 02:16:29.006 IN A PUBLIC SETTING I DON'T 4338 02:16:29.006 --> 02:16:30.003 HAVE A PROBLEM WITH SUBMITTING 4339 02:16:30.003 --> 02:16:31.029 WRITTEN QUESTIONS BUT THE THE 4340 02:16:31.029 --> 02:16:32.000 ANSWERS AND ALL THAT SHOULD 4341 02:16:32.000 --> 02:16:34.010 COME BACK IN A PUBLIC FORUM. >> 4342 02:16:34.010 --> 02:16:35.003 AND JUST TO TO ADDRESS YOUR 4343 02:16:35.003 --> 02:16:38.013 EARLIER COMMENTS, DAVE, I'M 4344 02:16:38.013 --> 02:16:41.026 SENSITIVE >> TO THE TIME AND WE 4345 02:16:41.026 --> 02:16:42.020 DO HAVE SEVERAL OTHER IMPORTANT 4346 02:16:42.020 --> 02:16:44.023 ITEMS ON THE AGENDA. SO 4347 02:16:44.023 --> 02:16:46.025 MY SUGGESTION IS TO ALLOW YOU 4348 02:16:46.025 --> 02:16:48.003 TO FINISH QUESTIONS. THE 4349 02:16:48.003 --> 02:16:51.028 COUNCILMEMBER YEAGER HAS HIS 4350 02:16:51.028 --> 02:16:51.022 LIGHTS ON BOARD. WE'LL GO TO 4351 02:16:51.022 --> 02:16:54.006 COUNCILMEMBER YEAGER AFTER YOU. 4352 02:16:54.006 --> 02:16:56.016 AND THEN MY SUGGESTION IS THAT 4353 02:16:56.016 --> 02:16:57.003 WE YOU KNOW WE TABLE THIS ITEM 4354 02:16:57.003 --> 02:17:00.010 OR DEFER ANY ACTION ON THIS 4355 02:17:00.010 --> 02:17:01.003 ITEM FOR TWO WEEKS BECAUSE I 4356 02:17:01.003 --> 02:17:03.027 AGREE WITH YOU THAT THIS IS A 4357 02:17:03.027 --> 02:17:04.023 VERY IT'S A GREAT DEAL 4358 02:17:04.023 --> 02:17:06.020 OF INFORMATION TO GO THROUGH 4359 02:17:06.020 --> 02:17:07.014 AND I SUSPECT THAT WE'LL NEED 4360 02:17:07.014 --> 02:17:09.015 THAT EXTRA TIME. BUT GO AHEAD. 4361 02:17:09.015 --> 02:17:11.003 OKAY. THANK YOU. AND WITH THAT 4362 02:17:11.003 --> 02:17:13.024 I DO INTEND TO BE AS CONCISE AS 4363 02:17:13.024 --> 02:17:16.029 POSSIBLE WITH THE QUESTIONS 4364 02:17:16.029 --> 02:17:17.024 THAT I'LL RAISE NOW AND AGAIN 4365 02:17:17.024 --> 02:17:20.023 NOT TO BE REDUNDANT BUT I'VE 4366 02:17:20.023 --> 02:17:22.029 GOTTEN SO THROUGH SO SUCH A 4367 02:17:22.029 --> 02:17:24.009 LITTLE OF >> THIS INFORMATION I 4368 02:17:24.009 --> 02:17:26.011 HAVE NO IDEA HOW MANY MORE 4369 02:17:26.011 --> 02:17:27.025 QUESTIONS I MIGHT EVEN HAVE BUT 4370 02:17:27.025 --> 02:17:29.002 THAT SOUNDS LIKE A FINE COURSE 4371 02:17:29.002 --> 02:17:31.004 OF ACTION TO ME. CONCERNS JUST 4372 02:17:31.004 --> 02:17:33.007 A COUPLE OF ADDITIONAL CONCERNS 4373 02:17:33.007 --> 02:17:34.005 BEFORE I ASKED A COUPLE 4374 02:17:34.005 --> 02:17:35.019 OF SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ONE >> 4375 02:17:35.019 --> 02:17:38.009 WHY >> ARE WITNESSES NOT NAMED 4376 02:17:38.009 --> 02:17:41.026 IN THE REPORT? I THAT IN THE 4377 02:17:41.026 --> 02:17:43.021 PREVIOUS PERSONNEL REPORT THAT 4378 02:17:43.021 --> 02:17:46.015 WAS DONE THERE WAS A POSITION 4379 02:17:46.015 --> 02:17:49.000 TAKEN OR ASSERTED BY THE CITY 4380 02:17:49.000 --> 02:17:51.013 MANAGER THAT THERE WAS 4381 02:17:51.013 --> 02:17:53.001 CONFIDENTIALITY ISSUE >> NUMBER 4382 02:17:53.001 --> 02:17:55.021 ONE. NUMBER TWO, THAT THE 4383 02:17:55.021 --> 02:17:56.017 CHARTER ESSENTIALLY PRECLUDED 4384 02:17:56.017 --> 02:17:59.007 US FROM FROM GETTING INTO 4385 02:17:59.007 --> 02:18:02.014 INDIVIDUAL PERSONNEL SUB 4386 02:18:02.014 --> 02:18:04.017 INVESTIGATIONS, IF YOU WILL, 4387 02:18:04.017 --> 02:18:05.021 UNDER HIM THIS THOUGH IS AN 4388 02:18:05.021 --> 02:18:07.019 INVESTIGATION THAT ISN'T BEING 4389 02:18:07.019 --> 02:18:10.025 DIVERSITY MANAGERS BEING 4390 02:18:10.025 --> 02:18:11.007 CONDUCTED ON BEHALF OF THE CITY 4391 02:18:11.007 --> 02:18:13.026 OF SAN JOSE AT >> A MUCH HIGHER 4392 02:18:13.026 --> 02:18:15.003 LEVEL. AND IT'S 4393 02:18:15.003 --> 02:18:17.008 MY UNDERSTANDING THAT AS WE DID 4394 02:18:17.008 --> 02:18:19.019 THIS WE OFFERED TO TO VEST THE 4395 02:18:19.019 --> 02:18:21.009 POWERS IN YOU WHATEVER POWERS 4396 02:18:21.009 --> 02:18:23.012 YOU NEEDED UNDER THE CHARTER TO 4397 02:18:23.012 --> 02:18:24.002 CONDUCT THE INVESTIGATION. AND 4398 02:18:24.002 --> 02:18:26.018 SO I'M ASSUMING I KNOW THAT 4399 02:18:26.018 --> 02:18:27.000 YOU'VE NAMED SOME WITNESSES 4400 02:18:27.000 --> 02:18:29.019 TODAY THAT WEREN'T NAMED IN THE 4401 02:18:29.019 --> 02:18:31.018 REPORT AT LEAST I THINK I HEARD 4402 02:18:31.018 --> 02:18:33.024 THAT IN YOUR PRESENTATION AND 4403 02:18:33.024 --> 02:18:35.006 SO ONE QUESTION WOULD BE I'M 4404 02:18:35.006 --> 02:18:37.026 ASKING WHY BUT I'M ALSO ASKING 4405 02:18:37.026 --> 02:18:38.001 I SUPPOSE CAN WE GET SOME SORT 4406 02:18:38.001 --> 02:18:41.021 OF CROSS-REFERENCE IN THE 4407 02:18:41.021 --> 02:18:43.002 INTERIM IN THE NEXT TWO WEEKS 4408 02:18:43.002 --> 02:18:45.009 THAT THAT CALLS OUT WHO THESE 4409 02:18:45.009 --> 02:18:47.025 FOLKS ACTUALLY ARE WHEN YOU SAY 4410 02:18:47.025 --> 02:18:49.003 THREE PEOPLE OUT OF OUT 4411 02:18:49.003 --> 02:18:52.001 OF EIGHT FOR EXAMPLE FILLED 4412 02:18:52.001 --> 02:18:54.002 THIS WAY OR THAT WAY, I'D LIKE 4413 02:18:54.002 --> 02:18:55.003 TO KNOW WHO THOSE THREE >> WERE 4414 02:18:55.003 --> 02:18:56.017 AND WHO THE FIVE WERE WHO 4415 02:18:56.017 --> 02:18:57.012 DIDN'T AGREE. IT JUST GOES TO 4416 02:18:57.012 --> 02:18:59.013 CREDIBILITY AND VERACITY OF OF 4417 02:18:59.013 --> 02:19:01.009 THAT TESTIMONY UNDERSTOOD 4418 02:19:01.009 --> 02:19:06.016 COUNCILMEMBER CORTEZ AND I DO 4419 02:19:06.016 --> 02:19:07.027 APOLOGIZE YOU KNOW THAT WAS 4420 02:19:07.027 --> 02:19:09.027 JUST SORT OF A STYLISTIC TOOL 4421 02:19:09.027 --> 02:19:11.015 AS WE WERE DRAFTING AT THE LAST 4422 02:19:11.015 --> 02:19:13.013 MOMENT THERE. YOU KNOW, WE'RE 4423 02:19:13.013 --> 02:19:15.002 HAPPY TO PROVIDE THE NAMES 4424 02:19:15.002 --> 02:19:17.001 OF THOSE INDIVIDUALS AND WE 4425 02:19:17.001 --> 02:19:18.001 DON'T SEE ANY IMPEDIMENT TO >> 4426 02:19:18.001 --> 02:19:19.016 DOING THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU 4427 02:19:19.016 --> 02:19:21.003 VERY MUCH. IN ADDITION, I'M 4428 02:19:21.003 --> 02:19:26.028 CURIOUS AS TO WHY SWORN 4429 02:19:26.028 --> 02:19:28.024 TESTIMONY WASN'T TAKEN AND 4430 02:19:28.024 --> 02:19:30.011 WHETHER OR NOT YOU HAVE ANY 4431 02:19:30.011 --> 02:19:32.003 CONCERNS THAT YOURSELF GIVEN 4432 02:19:32.003 --> 02:19:35.020 WHERE YOU ARE NOW. AND I'M JUST 4433 02:19:35.020 --> 02:19:36.009 REALLY I'M SAYING IN THE 4434 02:19:36.009 --> 02:19:38.003 CONTEXT OF THE DISCUSSION THAT 4435 02:19:38.003 --> 02:19:41.029 OR THE PRESENTATION THAT WAS 4436 02:19:41.029 --> 02:19:41.001 MADE TO US A LOT OF THIS 4437 02:19:41.001 --> 02:19:43.001 INFORMATION CAME UP TOWARD THE 4438 02:19:43.001 --> 02:19:45.002 END THE INVESTIGATION 4439 02:19:45.002 --> 02:19:46.017 AT LEAST A LOT OF WHAT WAS 4440 02:19:46.017 --> 02:19:46.023 PRESENTED TO US TODAY IN I'M 4441 02:19:46.023 --> 02:19:48.011 WONDERING IN RETROSPECT IF 4442 02:19:48.011 --> 02:19:50.013 SWORN TESTIMONY WOULDN'T HAVE 4443 02:19:50.013 --> 02:19:51.018 BEEN HELPFUL TO SORT OUT 4444 02:19:51.018 --> 02:19:53.006 CREDIBILITY ISSUES EVEN FURTHER 4445 02:19:53.006 --> 02:19:55.006 >> SO MAYBE YES, MAYBE NO. YOU 4446 02:19:55.006 --> 02:20:04.006 KNOW, TYPICALLY WE WE DON'T 4447 02:20:04.006 --> 02:20:07.006 ATTEMPT TO OBTAIN A SWORN 4448 02:20:07.006 --> 02:20:10.007 STATEMENT BECAUSE THERE ARE 4449 02:20:10.007 --> 02:20:12.006 SOMETIMES SOME PRACTICAL 4450 02:20:12.006 --> 02:20:13.024 DIFFICULTIES IN IN TERMS 4451 02:20:13.024 --> 02:20:14.001 OF ACTUALLY GETTING WHAT YOU 4452 02:20:14.001 --> 02:20:16.019 NEED FROM THE INDIVIDUAL NOT SO 4453 02:20:16.019 --> 02:20:17.020 MUCH THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO 4454 02:20:17.020 --> 02:20:18.023 SPEAK TO YOU BECAUSE YOU ASKED 4455 02:20:18.023 --> 02:20:19.025 FOR THEM TO GIVE YOU A SWORN 4456 02:20:19.025 --> 02:20:20.022 STATEMENT BUT MORE SO FROM THE 4457 02:20:20.022 --> 02:20:22.020 QUESTION OF TRYING TO FINALIZE 4458 02:20:22.020 --> 02:20:24.014 SOME SORT WRITTEN PRODUCT THAT 4459 02:20:24.014 --> 02:20:26.026 YOU CAN THEN USE EFFECTIVELY IN 4460 02:20:26.026 --> 02:20:27.011 TERMS OF REPORTING THE RESULTS 4461 02:20:27.011 --> 02:20:29.023 OF YOUR INVESTIGATION. YOU 4462 02:20:29.023 --> 02:20:30.001 KNOW, SO FOR EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, 4463 02:20:30.001 --> 02:20:32.010 IF I YOU KNOW, SPEND AN HOUR 4464 02:20:32.010 --> 02:20:34.012 AND A HALF SPEAKING WITH 4465 02:20:34.012 --> 02:20:35.001 SOMEONE AND THERE'S TWO OR 4466 02:20:35.001 --> 02:20:37.015 THREE THINGS OUT OF WHAT 4467 02:20:37.015 --> 02:20:38.019 THEY'VE TOLD ME THAT ARE REALLY 4468 02:20:38.019 --> 02:20:40.029 RELEVANT AND GERMANE AND 4469 02:20:40.029 --> 02:20:41.025 IMPORTANT PUT AND YOU KNOW, IF 4470 02:20:41.025 --> 02:20:43.004 I PRESENT THEM WITH A STATEMENT 4471 02:20:43.004 --> 02:20:45.008 WHICH JUST CONTAINS THOSE ONE 4472 02:20:45.008 --> 02:20:46.005 OR TWO POINTS, YOU KNOW, 4473 02:20:46.005 --> 02:20:47.022 OFTENTIMES IT'S A REAL STRUGGLE 4474 02:20:47.022 --> 02:20:48.012 TO TRY AND END UP YOU KNOW, I 4475 02:20:48.012 --> 02:20:50.020 END UP SPENDING MORE TIME JUST 4476 02:20:50.020 --> 02:20:51.028 TRYING TO CREATE A STATEMENT 4477 02:20:51.028 --> 02:20:52.017 THAN I DO IN THE ACTUAL COURSE. 4478 02:20:52.017 --> 02:20:54.016 THE INVESTIGATION TO THE EXTENT 4479 02:20:54.016 --> 02:20:56.018 THAT I'M TALKING ABOUT 4480 02:20:56.018 --> 02:20:57.022 TESTIMONY WHICH WE DO BELIEVE 4481 02:20:57.022 --> 02:20:59.017 IMPORTANT IN PARTICULAR WHERE 4482 02:20:59.017 --> 02:21:01.024 WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A CONFLICT 4483 02:21:01.024 --> 02:21:02.011 IN THE EVIDENCE YOU KNOW, I YOU 4484 02:21:02.011 --> 02:21:05.016 KNOW, WE GO BACK, YOU KNOW, TO 4485 02:21:05.016 --> 02:21:07.025 TO MAKE CLEAR, YOU KNOW, WHAT 4486 02:21:07.025 --> 02:21:08.018 THE IMPORT OF TESTIMONY IS AND 4487 02:21:08.018 --> 02:21:11.008 IN I THINK ALLUDE TO THE 4488 02:21:11.008 --> 02:21:13.027 CIRCUMSTANCES, YOU KNOW, I WAS 4489 02:21:13.027 --> 02:21:14.002 TALKING TO THE FOLKS AT CISCO. 4490 02:21:14.002 --> 02:21:16.003 YOU KNOW, I MADE, YOU KNOW, 4491 02:21:16.003 --> 02:21:17.011 QUITE CLEAR THAT, YOU KNOW, 4492 02:21:17.011 --> 02:21:18.003 THIS IS A SIGNIFICANT CONFLICT 4493 02:21:18.003 --> 02:21:20.023 WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE AND IT 4494 02:21:20.023 --> 02:21:21.024 COULD VERY WELL REQUIRE, YOU 4495 02:21:21.024 --> 02:21:22.013 KNOW, SOMEONE COMING IN AND 4496 02:21:22.013 --> 02:21:24.018 BEFORE YOU FOLKS AND YOU KNOW, 4497 02:21:24.018 --> 02:21:25.022 SAYING THAT SO YOU KNOW, BEFORE 4498 02:21:25.022 --> 02:21:26.012 YOU TELL ME THIS OR YOU KNOW, 4499 02:21:26.012 --> 02:21:28.016 LET KNOW IF THERE'S ANY ISSUE 4500 02:21:28.016 --> 02:21:29.000 OR CONCERN THAT YOU HAVE ABOUT 4501 02:21:29.000 --> 02:21:31.027 IT. SO WE DO ATTEMPTING TO TRY 4502 02:21:31.027 --> 02:21:32.015 AND ASSURE OURSELVES THAT WHAT 4503 02:21:32.015 --> 02:21:34.021 WE'RE BEING TOLD IS SOMETHING 4504 02:21:34.021 --> 02:21:35.025 THAT SOMEONE IS GOING TO STAND 4505 02:21:35.025 --> 02:21:37.018 BEHIND. AND IF IT COMES DOWN TO 4506 02:21:37.018 --> 02:21:39.029 THAT AND TO THE EXTENT THAT WE 4507 02:21:39.029 --> 02:21:40.015 GET ISSUES ON THAT, THAT'S WHAT 4508 02:21:40.015 --> 02:21:42.028 WE WAIT IS PART OF OUR 4509 02:21:42.028 --> 02:21:43.003 CREDIBILITY DETERMINATION AS 4510 02:21:43.003 --> 02:21:45.001 WELL TO >> RIGHT THERE LET 4511 02:21:45.001 --> 02:21:48.007 ME JUST INTERJECT >> HERE. IT'S 4512 02:21:48.007 --> 02:21:49.009 NOT IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY 4513 02:21:49.009 --> 02:21:50.008 FOLLOW BUT I DO WANT TO 4514 02:21:50.008 --> 02:21:51.009 ACKNOWLEDGE THE TREMENDOUS 4515 02:21:51.009 --> 02:21:52.009 AMOUNT OF WORK THAT YOU HAVE 4516 02:21:52.009 --> 02:21:53.014 DONE. I'M NOT HERE TO CRITICIZE 4517 02:21:53.014 --> 02:21:56.011 THE EFFORT. IF I ASKED SPECIFIC 4518 02:21:56.011 --> 02:21:59.009 QUESTIONS ABOUT TECHNIQUE AND 4519 02:21:59.009 --> 02:22:01.023 THE PROCEDURE USE, IT'S SIMPLY 4520 02:22:01.023 --> 02:22:04.013 IT'S SIMPLY MY INTEREST IN 4521 02:22:04.013 --> 02:22:06.015 WANTING TO KNOW IF WE CAN GET 4522 02:22:06.015 --> 02:22:07.027 ANY CLOSER TO THE TRUTH HERE 4523 02:22:07.027 --> 02:22:08.000 AND ANSWER THE QUESTION WHICH I 4524 02:22:08.000 --> 02:22:10.005 THINK YOU VERY, VERY THAT YOU 4525 02:22:10.005 --> 02:22:13.004 FRAMED VERY, VERY WELL WHICH IS 4526 02:22:13.004 --> 02:22:15.009 THE REAL ISSUE HERE IS HAS BEEN 4527 02:22:15.009 --> 02:22:17.006 WHY THE FAILURE TO DISCLOSE I 4528 02:22:17.006 --> 02:22:19.011 MEAN CLEARLY THERE'S THERE WAS 4529 02:22:19.011 --> 02:22:20.021 A FAILURE TO DISCLOSE EVIDENCE 4530 02:22:20.021 --> 02:22:24.011 THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS 4531 02:22:24.011 --> 02:22:26.011 AT DIFFERENT IN THE QUESTION 4532 02:22:26.011 --> 02:22:28.028 OF WHY IS GOING BACK TO 4533 02:22:28.028 --> 02:22:30.021 MY INITIAL HERE IS I THINK THE 4534 02:22:30.021 --> 02:22:32.026 QUESTION THAT STILL HAS NOT 4535 02:22:32.026 --> 02:22:33.010 BEEN ANSWERED I THINK EVEN IN 4536 02:22:33.010 --> 02:22:35.004 TERMS OF OF YOUR PRESENTATION 4537 02:22:35.004 --> 02:22:37.029 TODAY WHEN YOU SAID THAT THE 4538 02:22:37.029 --> 02:22:40.011 EMAIL THAT WAS DISTRIBUTED TO 4539 02:22:40.011 --> 02:22:43.010 SEVERAL MEMBERS OF THE CITY 4540 02:22:43.010 --> 02:22:44.025 MANAGER'S OFFICE AND YOU 4541 02:22:44.025 --> 02:22:45.008 RECOUNTED EVIDENTLY VERBATIM 4542 02:22:45.008 --> 02:22:50.017 WHAT THOSE FOLKS SAID TO YOU IN 4543 02:22:50.017 --> 02:22:52.001 RESPONSE WHEN YOU ASKED THEM 4544 02:22:52.001 --> 02:22:55.016 WHAT THEY DID WITH THAT 4545 02:22:55.016 --> 02:22:56.003 INFORMATION. THE RESPONSE WAS 4546 02:22:56.003 --> 02:22:59.006 KNOWN FOR EXAMPLE BY DEPUTY 4547 02:22:59.006 --> 02:23:03.007 CITY MANAGER. THE RESPONSE WAS 4548 02:23:03.007 --> 02:23:04.003 I DON'T I DON'T KNOW WHY I 4549 02:23:04.003 --> 02:23:06.018 DIDN'T I'M SORRY I DIDN'T DO 4550 02:23:06.018 --> 02:23:08.027 ANYTHING WITH WITH THE 4551 02:23:08.027 --> 02:23:09.025 INFORMATION WE'RE STILL FALLING 4552 02:23:09.025 --> 02:23:11.001 SHORT ON WHY IN AT LEAST I FEEL 4553 02:23:11.001 --> 02:23:15.017 THAT WAY RIGHT NOW AGAIN OR 4554 02:23:15.017 --> 02:23:16.006 PERHAPS OF THAT INFORMATION IS 4555 02:23:16.006 --> 02:23:18.000 CONTAINED IN THE REPORT OR 4556 02:23:18.000 --> 02:23:19.005 PERHAPS YOU SIMPLY RAN OUT 4557 02:23:19.005 --> 02:23:20.000 OF TIME AND DIDN'T GET AN 4558 02:23:20.000 --> 02:23:21.024 OPPORTUNITY TO TO FOLLOW UP 4559 02:23:21.024 --> 02:23:22.020 AT THAT LEVEL. I DON'T KNOW >> 4560 02:23:22.020 --> 02:23:27.024 THAT YOU'LL GET ANYTHING MORE 4561 02:23:27.024 --> 02:23:28.027 OUT OF READING MY REPORT THAT 4562 02:23:28.027 --> 02:23:30.021 SOUNDS ODD BUT >> YOU KNOW WHAT 4563 02:23:30.021 --> 02:23:32.010 I MEAN IS IS I DON'T KNOW THAT 4564 02:23:32.010 --> 02:23:34.021 THERE'S YOU KNOW, THE QUESTION 4565 02:23:34.021 --> 02:23:36.005 OF WHY, YOU KNOW, WAS IMPORTANT 4566 02:23:36.005 --> 02:23:38.019 TO US >> AND YOU KNOW I KNOW 4567 02:23:38.019 --> 02:23:40.025 THAT YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE AND 4568 02:23:40.025 --> 02:23:41.015 WITH RESPECT TO YOU KNOW YOU 4569 02:23:41.015 --> 02:23:43.001 KNOW MARK LINDER KNOW HE DID 4570 02:23:43.001 --> 02:23:45.010 NOT SEE THAT THERE WAS ANY 4571 02:23:45.010 --> 02:23:47.015 OTHER ISSUE FOR HIM TO ADDRESS 4572 02:23:47.015 --> 02:23:48.017 WITH REGARD TO THAT EMAIL. NOW, 4573 02:23:48.017 --> 02:23:50.005 YOU KNOW, MY QUESTION IS WELL, 4574 02:23:50.005 --> 02:23:52.001 SHOULDN'T YOU HAVE GIVEN THAT 4575 02:23:52.001 --> 02:23:53.005 TO THE CITY MANAGER? YOU KNOW, 4576 02:23:53.005 --> 02:23:54.011 PART OF THAT IS SORT OF BASED 4577 02:23:54.011 --> 02:23:55.005 UPON, YOU KNOW, MY PERSONAL 4578 02:23:55.005 --> 02:23:57.006 VIEW OF WHAT THE 4579 02:23:57.006 --> 02:23:58.015 INTERRELATIONSHIPS WOULD BE YOU 4580 02:23:58.015 --> 02:23:59.010 KNOW, AS BETWEEN THE YOU KNOW, 4581 02:23:59.010 --> 02:24:01.008 THE CITY MANAGER AND THE 4582 02:24:01.008 --> 02:24:02.011 ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER AND 4583 02:24:02.011 --> 02:24:03.001 THAT'S YOU KNOW, DEPENDS UPON 4584 02:24:03.001 --> 02:24:05.028 YOU KNOW, WHAT I'VE HEARD THE 4585 02:24:05.028 --> 02:24:05.004 RELATIONSHIP IS THAT DEPENDS 4586 02:24:05.004 --> 02:24:07.002 UPON WHAT I WOULD EXPECT A 4587 02:24:07.002 --> 02:24:08.008 RELATIONSHIP BE THAT SORT 4588 02:24:08.008 --> 02:24:09.023 OF THING. BUT I DON'T ACTUALLY 4589 02:24:09.023 --> 02:24:10.029 KNOW WHAT THE RELATIONSHIP IS 4590 02:24:10.029 --> 02:24:11.005 BECAUSE I'M NOT YOU KNOW, IN 4591 02:24:11.005 --> 02:24:14.001 YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE CLEAREST 4592 02:24:14.001 --> 02:24:15.021 INSTANCES WHICH WHERE THAT 4593 02:24:15.021 --> 02:24:16.024 CAUSED ME A CONCERN WAS THE 4594 02:24:16.024 --> 02:24:17.015 CIRCUMSTANCES WHICH DEPUTY CITY 4595 02:24:17.015 --> 02:24:19.024 MANAGER CHICAGO >> GOT HIS COPY 4596 02:24:19.024 --> 02:24:21.020 OF THE EMAIL BECAUSE THAT 4597 02:24:21.020 --> 02:24:23.010 SEEMED TO ME TO BE THE CLEAREST 4598 02:24:23.010 --> 02:24:25.022 CIRCUMSTANCE WHERE SOMETHING 4599 02:24:25.022 --> 02:24:26.001 NEEDED TO BE DONE WITH THAT. 4600 02:24:26.001 --> 02:24:28.011 YOU KNOW, HE WAS HE WAS THERE 4601 02:24:28.011 --> 02:24:29.003 IN THE MEETING WITH >> VONDA 4602 02:24:29.003 --> 02:24:31.015 RICH TO ADVOCATE ON HER BEHALF 4603 02:24:31.015 --> 02:24:33.019 AS HE HAD DESCRIBED IT. AND YOU 4604 02:24:33.019 --> 02:24:35.017 KNOW THE QUESTION I ASKED HIM 4605 02:24:35.017 --> 02:24:37.007 HE WERE THERE TO BE YOUR 4606 02:24:37.007 --> 02:24:38.002 ADVOCATE AND YOU COME OUT 4607 02:24:38.002 --> 02:24:41.021 OF THAT >> AND SHE GIVES YOU A 4608 02:24:41.021 --> 02:24:42.016 CONTEMPORANEOUS DOCUMENT WHICH 4609 02:24:42.016 --> 02:24:45.028 CORROBORATES WHAT SHE'S TOLD 4610 02:24:45.028 --> 02:24:46.017 THE INVESTIGATORS WHY DON'T YOU 4611 02:24:46.017 --> 02:24:48.004 GIVE IT TO THEM SAYING LOOK, 4612 02:24:48.004 --> 02:24:50.018 SHE'S >> NOT MAKING THIS UP NOW 4613 02:24:50.018 --> 02:24:51.025 THIS IS WHAT SHE SAID ALL ALONG 4614 02:24:51.025 --> 02:24:52.011 >> AND YOU KNOW THE WELL, YOU 4615 02:24:52.011 --> 02:24:55.019 KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT I 4616 02:24:55.019 --> 02:24:56.019 MEAN THE INABILITY TO SORT 4617 02:24:56.019 --> 02:24:57.007 OF ANSWER, YOU KNOW, THOSE 4618 02:24:57.007 --> 02:24:59.004 SORTS OF THINGS OR YOU KNOW, 4619 02:24:59.004 --> 02:25:02.011 THAT'S WHAT I ENDED UP WITH >> 4620 02:25:02.011 --> 02:25:03.013 IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, ASKING 4621 02:25:03.013 --> 02:25:04.016 THE QUESTION WHY AND I DON'T 4622 02:25:04.016 --> 02:25:05.001 KNOW IF ANYTHING BEYOND THAT 4623 02:25:05.001 --> 02:25:07.020 AGAIN, >> OKAY. I APPRECIATE 4624 02:25:07.020 --> 02:25:11.025 THAT EXPLANATION. I GOING BACK 4625 02:25:11.025 --> 02:25:15.013 TO THE WITNESSES, I WOULD ALSO 4626 02:25:15.013 --> 02:25:18.021 I GUESS I'M GOING TO PRESUPPOSE 4627 02:25:18.021 --> 02:25:19.009 SOMETHING IN A COUPLE OF THINGS 4628 02:25:19.009 --> 02:25:21.015 HERE. ONE IS THAT YOUR 4629 02:25:21.015 --> 02:25:22.001 RECOMMENDATION ABOUT A 4630 02:25:22.001 --> 02:25:24.029 COMPLAINT BEING FILED WITH THE 4631 02:25:24.029 --> 02:25:24.007 ELECTIONS COMMISSION MIGHT 4632 02:25:24.007 --> 02:25:26.000 ACTUALLY BE FOLLOWED UP UPON 4633 02:25:26.000 --> 02:25:28.009 AT SOME POINT HERE AND TO THAT 4634 02:25:28.009 --> 02:25:30.008 THERE MAY BE EITHER THROUGH 4635 02:25:30.008 --> 02:25:32.023 THAT PROCESS OR THROUGH SOME 4636 02:25:32.023 --> 02:25:33.016 OTHER PROCESS A FURTHER 4637 02:25:33.016 --> 02:25:36.020 OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE SWORN 4638 02:25:36.020 --> 02:25:37.013 TESTIMONY IN THIS PARTICULAR 4639 02:25:37.013 --> 02:25:39.018 MATTER. AND I'M WONDERING IF 4640 02:25:39.018 --> 02:25:40.018 YOU IF THERE IS A LIST IF YOU 4641 02:25:40.018 --> 02:25:43.022 GIVE SOME THOUGHT IN THE 4642 02:25:43.022 --> 02:25:44.009 INTERIM TO A LIST OF WITNESSES 4643 02:25:44.009 --> 02:25:47.016 WHO YOU FEEL SHOULD BE SHOULD 4644 02:25:47.016 --> 02:25:52.000 BE QUESTIONED AS SWORN 4645 02:25:52.000 --> 02:25:57.029 WITNESSES BOTH IN THE HOPE 4646 02:25:57.029 --> 02:25:59.009 MATTER OR WITH REGARD TO ANY 4647 02:25:59.009 --> 02:26:03.018 ANY OTHER ASPECTS OF YOUR 4648 02:26:03.018 --> 02:26:04.020 REPORT, I THINK THAT COULD BE 4649 02:26:04.020 --> 02:26:08.019 PARTICULARLY HELPFUL >> TO THE 4650 02:26:08.019 --> 02:26:09.002 ELECTIONS AND AGAIN, IT MIGHT 4651 02:26:09.002 --> 02:26:11.025 BE HELPFUL TO OTHERS WHO INTEND 4652 02:26:11.025 --> 02:26:12.027 TO FOLLOW UP ON THIS IN SOME 4653 02:26:12.027 --> 02:26:13.025 WAY OR ANOTHER. THE >> I'M 4654 02:26:13.025 --> 02:26:16.026 GOING TO SORT OF CLOSE WITH ONE 4655 02:26:16.026 --> 02:26:18.022 >> QUESTION HERE. I THINK IT'S 4656 02:26:18.022 --> 02:26:21.019 ONE QUESTION BUT IT'S ONE 4657 02:26:21.019 --> 02:26:22.000 GENERAL AREA OF CONCERN. IT MAY 4658 02:26:22.000 --> 02:26:24.020 BE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS TO 4659 02:26:24.020 --> 02:26:25.028 MAKE ME >> UNDERSTAND OR HELP 4660 02:26:25.028 --> 02:26:26.026 ME UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON 4661 02:26:26.026 --> 02:26:27.020 HERE. >> BUT I UNDERSTAND I, I 4662 02:26:27.020 --> 02:26:31.021 UNDERSTAND THAT THERE WAS A 4663 02:26:31.021 --> 02:26:33.021 BRIAN DOYLE MEMO AND FAMILIAR 4664 02:26:33.021 --> 02:26:36.016 WITH THIS MEMO THAT REALLY 4665 02:26:36.016 --> 02:26:38.015 ADDRESSED PRIMARILY 4666 02:26:38.015 --> 02:26:40.008 AT LEAST ADDRESS THE ISSUE 4667 02:26:40.008 --> 02:26:42.007 OF STANDARDIZATION AND THAT 4668 02:26:42.007 --> 02:26:44.026 MEMO WAS CIRCULATED >> I 4669 02:26:44.026 --> 02:26:46.006 BELIEVE AROUND APRIL OF 2004 TO 4670 02:26:46.006 --> 02:26:51.024 VARIOUS PERSONS IS THAT THE 4671 02:26:51.024 --> 02:26:53.004 SAME MEMO THAT YOU'RE NOW 4672 02:26:53.004 --> 02:26:56.026 SAYING WAS CIRCULATED TO 4673 02:26:56.026 --> 02:26:57.029 VARIOUS MEMBERS OF THE CITY 4674 02:26:57.029 --> 02:26:58.026 MANAGER'S OFFICE ON OR ABOUT 4675 02:26:58.026 --> 02:27:00.029 MARCH 15TH, 2004 OR MAY 4676 02:27:00.029 --> 02:27:03.027 OF 2000. WHERE COULD YOU JUST 4677 02:27:03.027 --> 02:27:04.011 CLEAR THAT UP FOR ME FACTUALLY 4678 02:27:04.011 --> 02:27:06.010 ? YEAH, IT WAS AN EMAIL >> 4679 02:27:06.010 --> 02:27:08.004 MESSAGE AND THERE THERE WERE 4680 02:27:08.004 --> 02:27:10.016 SEVEN BULLET POINTS UNDER THE 4681 02:27:10.016 --> 02:27:11.023 EMAIL MESSAGE AND THE FIRST ONE 4682 02:27:11.023 --> 02:27:13.006 QUITE FRANKLY IT DOESN'T SAY 4683 02:27:13.006 --> 02:27:15.016 STANDARDIZATION. IT REFERS TO 4684 02:27:15.016 --> 02:27:17.003 PROPRIETARY SPECIFICATIONS ON 4685 02:27:17.003 --> 02:27:20.029 CISCO PRODUCTS WHICH IS YOU 4686 02:27:20.029 --> 02:27:21.000 KNOW REFERRING >> TO THE ISSUE 4687 02:27:21.000 --> 02:27:23.018 OF STANDARDIZATION AND THAT WAS 4688 02:27:23.018 --> 02:27:24.026 ITEM NUMBER ONE. ITEM NUMBER 4689 02:27:24.026 --> 02:27:26.014 SEVEN WAS COMMUNICATIONS WITH 4690 02:27:26.014 --> 02:27:28.015 CISCO. SO THAT WAS THE APRIL 4691 02:27:28.015 --> 02:27:30.018 SIX EMAIL THOSE WERE >> THE 4692 02:27:30.018 --> 02:27:32.019 ISSUES THAT RAISED AND IT 4693 02:27:32.019 --> 02:27:33.004 BASICALLY LAYS OUT ARE 4694 02:27:33.004 --> 02:27:35.006 MY CONCERNS ONE THROUGH SEVEN 4695 02:27:35.006 --> 02:27:37.029 THE EMAILS THAT ARE INCLUDED IN 4696 02:27:37.029 --> 02:27:39.020 OUR SUPPLEMENTAL REPORT >> ARE 4697 02:27:39.020 --> 02:27:43.005 VONDRA WHICH IS FORWARDING THAT 4698 02:27:43.005 --> 02:27:46.020 EMAIL WITH HER OWN COMMENTS 4699 02:27:46.020 --> 02:27:48.012 INTER AFTER THE ISSUES THAT HE 4700 02:27:48.012 --> 02:27:51.025 RAISES. AND IT'S VERY EASY TO 4701 02:27:51.025 --> 02:27:52.001 SEE BECAUSE YOU KNOW OUR 4702 02:27:52.001 --> 02:27:55.028 OUTLOOK HAS A YOU KNOW, A 4703 02:27:55.028 --> 02:27:57.022 FEATURE WHERE IF SOMEONE'S 4704 02:27:57.022 --> 02:27:59.024 PUTTING SOMETHING NEW INTO AN 4705 02:27:59.024 --> 02:28:00.021 EMAIL IT PRINTS OUT THEIR NAMES 4706 02:28:00.021 --> 02:28:02.027 SO YOU CAN SEE CLEARLY WHAT SHE 4707 02:28:02.027 --> 02:28:03.006 IS SAYING IN RESPONSE TO >> 4708 02:28:03.006 --> 02:28:05.028 WHAT BRIAN DOYLE WAS CHARGING 4709 02:28:05.028 --> 02:28:07.009 OR ALLEGING WHEN HE SENT THAT 4710 02:28:07.009 --> 02:28:09.005 OUT TO HER IN APRIL. SO SO THAT 4711 02:28:09.005 --> 02:28:12.001 SAME EMAIL WHICH LATER BECAME 4712 02:28:12.001 --> 02:28:16.021 THE SUBJECT OF THE BRIAN DOYLE 4713 02:28:16.021 --> 02:28:17.020 MEMO TO COUNSEL WAS WITH THESE 4714 02:28:17.020 --> 02:28:22.023 BULLET POINTS IS THE EMAIL THAT 4715 02:28:22.023 --> 02:28:24.023 THAT RICK DOYLE WENT AND TO THE 4716 02:28:24.023 --> 02:28:27.021 CIO ABOUT TO RECONCILE WHETHER 4717 02:28:27.021 --> 02:28:31.028 OR NOT THERE WAS REALLY AN 4718 02:28:31.028 --> 02:28:32.029 ISSUE AND I UNDERSTOOD IN YOUR 4719 02:28:32.029 --> 02:28:34.023 PRESENTATION THAT IT WAS YOUR 4720 02:28:34.023 --> 02:28:37.014 FEELING AFTER INTERVIEWING 4721 02:28:37.014 --> 02:28:39.015 EVERYBODY THAT THAT DOYLE RICK 4722 02:28:39.015 --> 02:28:42.026 DOYLE FELT AFTER TALKING TO TWO 4723 02:28:42.026 --> 02:28:45.001 VANJA THAT HEARD EXPLAIN A 4724 02:28:45.001 --> 02:28:48.011 TECHNICAL EXPLANATION 4725 02:28:48.011 --> 02:28:49.027 OF WHETHER OR NOT 4726 02:28:49.027 --> 02:28:49.003 STANDARDIZATION AN ISSUE WAS NO 4727 02:28:49.003 --> 02:28:53.002 LONGER THAT HE WAS SATISFIED 4728 02:28:53.002 --> 02:28:55.009 THAT STANDARDIZATION NOT AN 4729 02:28:55.009 --> 02:28:56.010 ISSUE AFTER THAT DISCUSSION >> 4730 02:28:56.010 --> 02:28:58.004 WAS ON PAGE TWO OF YOUR IN THE 4731 02:28:58.004 --> 02:29:02.019 INTRODUCTION TO YOUR REPORT IT 4732 02:29:02.019 --> 02:29:03.022 SAYS YOU YOU PULLED OUT A 4733 02:29:03.022 --> 02:29:08.007 PARAGRAPH WHICH AND MAYBE THIS 4734 02:29:08.007 --> 02:29:10.013 IS FROM PARAGRAPH SEVEN OF THE 4735 02:29:10.013 --> 02:29:11.026 EMAIL BUT YOU SAY THAT BRIAN 4736 02:29:11.026 --> 02:29:15.023 DOYLE WROTE ALLEGATIONS 4737 02:29:15.023 --> 02:29:18.000 OF INAPPROPRIATE COMMUNICATIONS 4738 02:29:18.000 --> 02:29:20.021 BY CITY OFFICIALS WITH OUTSIDE 4739 02:29:20.021 --> 02:29:21.026 PARTIES PRINCIPALLY CISCO WHICH 4740 02:29:21.026 --> 02:29:23.013 CREATE ISSUES REGARDING THE 4741 02:29:23.013 --> 02:29:25.024 INTEGRITY OF THE PROCESS 4742 02:29:25.024 --> 02:29:27.003 INTEGRITY OF THE PROCESS I 4743 02:29:27.003 --> 02:29:30.000 REPEATED THAT NOT THEM AND >> 4744 02:29:30.000 --> 02:29:32.025 WHICH MAY RESULT IN A SIDESHOW 4745 02:29:32.025 --> 02:29:33.003 WHICH WITH REGARD TO THE 4746 02:29:33.003 --> 02:29:35.014 FAIRNESS OF THE PROCESS WAS 4747 02:29:35.014 --> 02:29:37.006 THAT IN THAT SAME EMAIL AND WAS 4748 02:29:37.006 --> 02:29:40.006 THAT ALSO RECONCILED? THE CITY 4749 02:29:40.006 --> 02:29:42.009 ATTORNEY ALSO ADDRESSED THAT 4750 02:29:42.009 --> 02:29:44.000 BULLET POINT BASED ON YOUR 4751 02:29:44.000 --> 02:29:46.000 INTERVIEWS WITH BASED ON 4752 02:29:46.000 --> 02:29:48.012 INTERVIEWS ARE YOU CONVINCED 4753 02:29:48.012 --> 02:29:49.028 THAT THAT WAS RECONCILED 4754 02:29:49.028 --> 02:29:50.010 BETWEEN THE CIO AND THE CITY 4755 02:29:50.010 --> 02:29:52.017 ATTORNEY THAT HE WAS NO LONGER 4756 02:29:52.017 --> 02:29:53.008 WORRIED ABOUT FAIRNESS OR THE 4757 02:29:53.008 --> 02:29:55.021 INTEGRITY OF THE PROCESS? YES. 4758 02:29:55.021 --> 02:29:59.023 AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, THE THE 4759 02:29:59.023 --> 02:30:01.017 EMAIL THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY 4760 02:30:01.017 --> 02:30:03.004 HAD IN FRONT OF HIM WAS SIMPLY 4761 02:30:03.004 --> 02:30:05.018 THE BRIAN DOYLE EMAIL DID NOT 4762 02:30:05.018 --> 02:30:06.016 INCLUDE ANY ANY COMMENT OR 4763 02:30:06.016 --> 02:30:10.021 ADDITIONAL INFORMATION FROM 4764 02:30:10.021 --> 02:30:11.001 VANJA THAT HE DIDN'T SEE THAT 4765 02:30:11.001 --> 02:30:14.019 UNTIL THE DAY OR TWO AGO. >> SO 4766 02:30:14.019 --> 02:30:16.004 WHEN HE SPOKE WITH VANDEGRIFT 4767 02:30:16.004 --> 02:30:18.013 >> YES, HE HAD THAT BECAUSE 4768 02:30:18.013 --> 02:30:19.006 THAT'S A QUOTE. THAT LINE THERE 4769 02:30:19.006 --> 02:30:21.001 COMES FROM SEVEN OF BRIAN 4770 02:30:21.001 --> 02:30:23.004 DOYLE'S >> EMAIL AND THE 4771 02:30:23.004 --> 02:30:27.003 RESPONSE THAT HE RECEIVED WAS 4772 02:30:27.003 --> 02:30:29.013 IS THAT THERE'S BEEN NO 4773 02:30:29.013 --> 02:30:30.007 COMMUNICATION WITH CISCO AND UP 4774 02:30:30.007 --> 02:30:33.009 TO THIS POINT, YOU KNOW, THE 4775 02:30:33.009 --> 02:30:35.004 EVIDENCE THAT OBTAINED YOU 4776 02:30:35.004 --> 02:30:37.000 KNOW, BOTH FROM BRIAN DOYLE AND 4777 02:30:37.000 --> 02:30:39.023 FROM RICK DOYLE IN TERMS 4778 02:30:39.023 --> 02:30:40.015 OF WELL WHEN YOU YOU KNOW, WHAT 4779 02:30:40.015 --> 02:30:42.021 DID YOU HAVE ON THIS ISSUE? YOU 4780 02:30:42.021 --> 02:30:44.004 KNOW, IT WAS BASED UPON RUMOR 4781 02:30:44.004 --> 02:30:47.023 OR YOU KNOW, THESE STATEMENTS 4782 02:30:47.023 --> 02:30:48.023 THAT WELL, WE HEARD THAT THIS 4783 02:30:48.023 --> 02:30:49.014 IS HAPPENING THAT'S HAPPENING 4784 02:30:49.014 --> 02:30:51.005 YOU KNOW, THEY HAD NOT OBSERVED 4785 02:30:51.005 --> 02:30:53.000 ANYTHING YOU KNOW, 4786 02:30:53.000 --> 02:30:54.013 SPECIFICALLY, YOU KNOW, AND SO 4787 02:30:54.013 --> 02:30:56.027 THEY DIDN'T HAVE HARD EVIDENCE 4788 02:30:56.027 --> 02:30:57.006 OR BRIAN DOYLE DIDN'T HAVE HARD 4789 02:30:57.006 --> 02:30:59.007 EVIDENCE WHEN HE WROTE THIS. 4790 02:30:59.007 --> 02:31:00.016 BUT HE WAS YOU KNOW, THERE WAS 4791 02:31:00.016 --> 02:31:01.019 NOTHING HE HAD SEEN THAT SORT 4792 02:31:01.019 --> 02:31:02.002 OF, YOU KNOW, CONCERNED ABOUT 4793 02:31:02.002 --> 02:31:04.014 IT. AND HER RESPONSE IS THAT 4794 02:31:04.014 --> 02:31:05.007 THERE'S BEEN HURT HER RESPONSE 4795 02:31:05.007 --> 02:31:09.014 YOU KNOW, ACCORDING TO THE CITY 4796 02:31:09.014 --> 02:31:10.012 ATTORNEY, THERE'S BEEN >> 4797 02:31:10.012 --> 02:31:11.012 NOTHING AND IT SEEMS CONSISTENT 4798 02:31:11.012 --> 02:31:14.024 TO US WHEN YOU LOOK AT ALL 4799 02:31:14.024 --> 02:31:15.015 OF THE FACTS AND AND THIS >> IS 4800 02:31:15.015 --> 02:31:18.018 HOW WHEN I SORT OF SORTED 4801 02:31:18.018 --> 02:31:19.014 THROUGH IN MY HEAD IF THE CITY 4802 02:31:19.014 --> 02:31:20.019 ATTORNEY WAS INTENT ON DOING 4803 02:31:20.019 --> 02:31:21.000 NOTHING THEN THERE'S NO REASON 4804 02:31:21.000 --> 02:31:24.023 TO DRAFT AN >> EMAIL TO HIS 4805 02:31:24.023 --> 02:31:25.020 SUPPORT OR TELL HIS 4806 02:31:25.020 --> 02:31:26.001 SUBORDINATES DRAFT IN RESPONSE 4807 02:31:26.001 --> 02:31:28.011 TO HER TO PICK UP THE PHONE TO 4808 02:31:28.011 --> 02:31:29.002 CALL OR TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS 4809 02:31:29.002 --> 02:31:31.001 OF HER WHATSOEVER. YOU JUST DO 4810 02:31:31.001 --> 02:31:32.022 NOTHING. ON THE OTHER HAND, YOU 4811 02:31:32.022 --> 02:31:33.016 KNOW, TELLING THEM I NEED YOU 4812 02:31:33.016 --> 02:31:35.029 TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT YOU KNOW, 4813 02:31:35.029 --> 02:31:36.012 FIRST OFF WHY ARE THEY TALKING 4814 02:31:36.012 --> 02:31:38.018 TO CISCO? SEND THAT IMMEDIATELY 4815 02:31:38.018 --> 02:31:39.007 TO THESE GUYS AND THEN HAVE 4816 02:31:39.007 --> 02:31:41.019 THEM DRAFT A RESPONSE OR GET A 4817 02:31:41.019 --> 02:31:42.026 RESPONSE THEY'VE DRAFTED AND 4818 02:31:42.026 --> 02:31:43.019 START WORKING IT AND THEN SAY 4819 02:31:43.019 --> 02:31:45.011 NO, I'M GOING TO PICK UP THE 4820 02:31:45.011 --> 02:31:46.008 PHONE AND CALL HER. THAT SEEMS 4821 02:31:46.008 --> 02:31:48.020 CONSISTENT WITH THE IDEA OF I 4822 02:31:48.020 --> 02:31:49.002 NEED TO DO SOMETHING TO RESOLVE 4823 02:31:49.002 --> 02:31:51.003 THIS AND TO PICK UP THE PHONE 4824 02:31:51.003 --> 02:31:53.015 AND SAY WHAT'S GOING WHY ARE 4825 02:31:53.015 --> 02:31:54.015 YOU TALKING WITH CISCO AND GET 4826 02:31:54.015 --> 02:31:55.016 THE RESPONSE? WELL, THERE'S 4827 02:31:55.016 --> 02:31:56.008 BEEN NO INAPPROPRIATE 4828 02:31:56.008 --> 02:31:57.014 COMMUNICATION, YOU KNOW, AND 4829 02:31:57.014 --> 02:31:58.015 THEN HANG UP THE PHONE. THAT 4830 02:31:58.015 --> 02:31:59.013 JUST DIDN'T SEEM CONSISTENT 4831 02:31:59.013 --> 02:32:00.016 WITH THE FACTS. THE ONLY 4832 02:32:00.016 --> 02:32:01.024 RESPONSE THAT SEEMED CONSISTENT 4833 02:32:01.024 --> 02:32:02.029 WAS WAS AS HE HAD REPORTED TO 4834 02:32:02.029 --> 02:32:04.028 US IS THAT YOU SAID THERE WAS 4835 02:32:04.028 --> 02:32:05.017 NO CONTACT WHATSOEVER. LET'S 4836 02:32:05.017 --> 02:32:07.020 ASSUME JUST FOR THE SAKE 4837 02:32:07.020 --> 02:32:09.003 OF ARGUMENT THAT SHE DID DO 4838 02:32:09.003 --> 02:32:11.021 THAT, THAT HE DID WHAT SHE SAID 4839 02:32:11.021 --> 02:32:14.016 THAT IN OTHER WORDS SHE 4840 02:32:14.016 --> 02:32:15.019 SATISFIED HIM THAT THERE WERE 4841 02:32:15.019 --> 02:32:16.024 NO COMMUNICATIONS WHICH IS 4842 02:32:16.024 --> 02:32:17.018 EXACTLY WHAT I BELIEVE SHE TOLD 4843 02:32:17.018 --> 02:32:19.010 US ON JUNE 22ND. SO 4844 02:32:19.010 --> 02:32:21.023 AT LEAST THAT'S CONSISTENT. ARE 4845 02:32:21.023 --> 02:32:22.016 YOU SAYING THAT LATER IN MAY 4846 02:32:22.016 --> 02:32:25.024 WHEN SHE ENTERED IN OR ENTERED 4847 02:32:25.024 --> 02:32:29.015 INTO WROTE HER COMMENTS INTO 4848 02:32:29.015 --> 02:32:31.011 THAT AND DISTRIBUTED IT TO THE 4849 02:32:31.011 --> 02:32:33.018 CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE THAT SHE 4850 02:32:33.018 --> 02:32:35.000 SHE AT THAT POINT COPPED TO THE 4851 02:32:35.000 --> 02:32:38.008 COMMUNICATIONS >> OWNED UP TO 4852 02:32:38.008 --> 02:32:39.018 THE COMMUNICATIONS. IS THERE 4853 02:32:39.018 --> 02:32:40.018 SOME REASON YOU BELIEVE THAT IN 4854 02:32:40.018 --> 02:32:42.002 MAY THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE 4855 02:32:42.002 --> 02:32:45.029 WAS THEN AWARE THAT PRIOR TO 4856 02:32:45.029 --> 02:32:47.007 THE JUNE 22ND MEETING THAT 4857 02:32:47.007 --> 02:32:49.003 THERE HAD BEEN COMMUNICATIONS 4858 02:32:49.003 --> 02:32:51.021 THAT SHE WAS TESTIFYING FALSELY 4859 02:32:51.021 --> 02:32:52.006 HERE? NO, HER COMMENT THAT 4860 02:32:52.006 --> 02:32:56.005 WE'RE CERTAINLY IN THE CITY 4861 02:32:56.005 --> 02:32:57.025 MANAGER'S OFFICE, YOU KNOW, AND 4862 02:32:57.025 --> 02:32:58.018 TO PARAPHRASE OUR YOU KNOW, 4863 02:32:58.018 --> 02:33:01.028 BRIAN'S MISUNDERSTANDING OR 4864 02:33:01.028 --> 02:33:03.002 MISCONSTRUING SOME ISSUE WITH 4865 02:33:03.002 --> 02:33:06.008 ARISE AND THAT'S HOW SHE 4866 02:33:06.008 --> 02:33:07.000 EXPLAINS IT. YOU KNOW, SO SHE'S 4867 02:33:07.000 --> 02:33:09.024 NOT SAYING IN THAT YES, I'VE 4868 02:33:09.024 --> 02:33:10.004 BEEN TALKING >> WITH THEM OR 4869 02:33:10.004 --> 02:33:14.012 YOU KNOW OR ANY ADMISSION IN 4870 02:33:14.012 --> 02:33:15.000 THAT YOU KNOW IN ANY WAY, SHAPE 4871 02:33:15.000 --> 02:33:17.020 OR FORM AS OF WHAT SHE WROTE 4872 02:33:17.020 --> 02:33:18.008 BACK TO MARK LINDNER MAY OKAY. 4873 02:33:18.008 --> 02:33:21.028 SO >> WHAT RIGHT >> IF I MAY 4874 02:33:21.028 --> 02:33:27.007 JUST ADD TO THIS RESPONSE I >> 4875 02:33:27.007 --> 02:33:31.023 I THINK THE POINT OF THE 4876 02:33:31.023 --> 02:33:32.025 DISTRIBUTION MAY GOES TO THE 4877 02:33:32.025 --> 02:33:34.025 QUESTION OF WHO KNEW WHAT WHEN 4878 02:33:34.025 --> 02:33:36.019 AND AND AND IT HAS NOTHING TO 4879 02:33:36.019 --> 02:33:39.018 DO WITH THE CIO CHANGING HER 4880 02:33:39.018 --> 02:33:42.000 POSITION HER POSITION WAS 4881 02:33:42.000 --> 02:33:44.007 CONSISTENT THROUGHOUT >> THAT 4882 02:33:44.007 --> 02:33:46.013 YOU'RE SAYING I GUESS QUESTION 4883 02:33:46.013 --> 02:33:48.000 ALSO GOES TO WHO KNEW WHAT WHEN 4884 02:33:48.000 --> 02:33:50.018 BUT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS WHO 4885 02:33:50.018 --> 02:33:51.003 DISCLOSED WHAT CORRECT AND 4886 02:33:51.003 --> 02:33:54.009 CORRECT THAT >> THAT THAT THAT 4887 02:33:54.009 --> 02:33:56.004 DISTRIBUTION SHOULD HAVE BEEN 4888 02:33:56.004 --> 02:33:58.006 AT AN EARLIER POINT IN TIME IN 4889 02:33:58.006 --> 02:33:59.010 THIS INVESTIGATIVE PROCESS. 4890 02:33:59.010 --> 02:34:00.003 THIS IS YOUR POINT. I HAVE 4891 02:34:00.003 --> 02:34:02.019 FOLLOWED ON THAT MATTER BUT I'M 4892 02:34:02.019 --> 02:34:03.009 NOT GOING TO ASK THEM NOW IN 4893 02:34:03.009 --> 02:34:05.028 THE SPIRIT OF WHAT THE MAYOR IS 4894 02:34:05.028 --> 02:34:06.025 TRYING TO DO HERE, WHAT HE 4895 02:34:06.025 --> 02:34:07.015 REQUESTED AND IN TERMS OF OF >> 4896 02:34:07.015 --> 02:34:11.009 HOLDING THE ADDITIONAL 4897 02:34:11.009 --> 02:34:12.027 QUESTIONS FOR A COUPLE OF WEEKS 4898 02:34:12.027 --> 02:34:14.024 HERE. BUT >> I'LL FOLLOW UP ON 4899 02:34:14.024 --> 02:34:16.001 I'LL EITHER PUT THOSE QUESTIONS 4900 02:34:16.001 --> 02:34:18.015 IN WRITING AND OR FOLLOW UP 4901 02:34:18.015 --> 02:34:19.021 WHEN YOU'RE BACK AGAIN BEFORE 4902 02:34:19.021 --> 02:34:20.003 COUNSEL THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU 4903 02:34:20.003 --> 02:34:24.023 DAVE. CUSTOMER YEAR AND BEFORE 4904 02:34:24.023 --> 02:34:26.022 I GO TO YOU, CAN I JUST WANT TO 4905 02:34:26.022 --> 02:34:27.002 LET FOLKS THAT ARE HERE FOR 4906 02:34:27.002 --> 02:34:29.025 ITEM 4.3 KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING 4907 02:34:29.025 --> 02:34:31.002 TO TAKE THAT ISSUE UP RIGHT 4908 02:34:31.002 --> 02:34:33.017 AFTER THIS ONE CUSTOMER >> YES. 4909 02:34:33.017 --> 02:34:36.026 THANK YOU AND THANK YOU MR. 4910 02:34:36.026 --> 02:34:38.015 MOYE FOR YOUR REPORT. I THINK 4911 02:34:38.015 --> 02:34:40.026 IT CONFIRMS MUCH OF WHAT WE HAD 4912 02:34:40.026 --> 02:34:42.000 LEARNED FROM THE OTHER 4913 02:34:42.000 --> 02:34:44.013 INVESTIGATIONS THAT THE CITY 4914 02:34:44.013 --> 02:34:45.004 HAS DONE AND I FIND THAT VERY 4915 02:34:45.004 --> 02:34:47.026 ASSURING THAT FOR THE FOR THE 4916 02:34:47.026 --> 02:34:48.017 FOR THE MOST PART WHERE WE'RE 4917 02:34:48.017 --> 02:34:50.018 GETTING AT WHAT THE TRUTH IS 4918 02:34:50.018 --> 02:34:51.010 AND THERE SEEMS TO BE SOME 4919 02:34:51.010 --> 02:34:52.025 CONSENSUS ON ON WHO KNEW WHAT 4920 02:34:52.025 --> 02:34:54.008 WHEN AND IN THE PROCESS THE 4921 02:34:54.008 --> 02:34:57.010 INVOLVEMENT OF OF SOME OF THE 4922 02:34:57.010 --> 02:34:59.013 PEOPLE THAT WERE VERY VERY 4923 02:34:59.013 --> 02:35:01.008 CLOSE TO THIS WHOLE ISSUE. SO I 4924 02:35:01.008 --> 02:35:03.005 THINK I THINK WE'VE GOT COME A 4925 02:35:03.005 --> 02:35:05.019 LONG WAYS AND AGAIN 4926 02:35:05.019 --> 02:35:06.010 UNDERSTANDING IT AND AND 4927 02:35:06.010 --> 02:35:08.026 HOPEFULLY LEARNING FROM THE 4928 02:35:08.026 --> 02:35:09.018 PROCESS THAT WOULD HAS COME 4929 02:35:09.018 --> 02:35:11.026 BEFORE US. BUT WHAT I WANT TO 4930 02:35:11.026 --> 02:35:13.003 FOCUS A LITTLE BIT ON NOW IS 4931 02:35:13.003 --> 02:35:15.015 SOME OF THE NEW INFORMATION 4932 02:35:15.015 --> 02:35:16.029 THAT'S IN YOUR REPORT AND SOME 4933 02:35:16.029 --> 02:35:18.019 OF THE ALLEGATIONS THAT HAVE 4934 02:35:18.019 --> 02:35:20.024 MADE BECAUSE THIS IS RELATIVELY 4935 02:35:20.024 --> 02:35:22.002 NEW INFORMATION AND WE DID JUST 4936 02:35:22.002 --> 02:35:24.015 RECEIVE YOUR REPORT ON AND IN 4937 02:35:24.015 --> 02:35:25.007 THE SUPPLEMENTAL JUST ABOUT 45 4938 02:35:25.007 --> 02:35:27.015 MINUTES BEFORE THIS MEETING AND 4939 02:35:27.015 --> 02:35:29.015 JUST AS SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES 4940 02:35:29.015 --> 02:35:30.019 HAVE SORT OF RAISED I WANT TO 4941 02:35:30.019 --> 02:35:31.018 FOCUS A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THE 4942 02:35:31.018 --> 02:35:32.000 DISCLOSURE ISSUES AND 4943 02:35:32.000 --> 02:35:35.002 PARTICULARLY LIMIT MY QUESTIONS 4944 02:35:35.002 --> 02:35:37.018 TO THE MAY 14TH MEETING WITH 4945 02:35:37.018 --> 02:35:39.001 THE CITY MANAGER AND THEN THE 4946 02:35:39.001 --> 02:35:41.018 MAY 21ST EMAIL TO MARK LINDER 4947 02:35:41.018 --> 02:35:43.012 FROM >> FROM VANJA AND I WANT 4948 02:35:43.012 --> 02:35:45.019 TO DO THIS BECAUSE I THINK TO 4949 02:35:45.019 --> 02:35:47.024 SOME EXTENT THE CREDIBILITY AND 4950 02:35:47.024 --> 02:35:49.004 THE VERACITY OF >> SOME OF >> 4951 02:35:49.004 --> 02:35:52.005 OUR EMPLOYEES AND PARTICULARLY 4952 02:35:52.005 --> 02:35:53.005 THOSE TWO AND OTHERS PEOPLE IN 4953 02:35:53.005 --> 02:35:54.024 THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE HAS 4954 02:35:54.024 --> 02:35:55.020 BEEN QUESTIONED AND I DON'T 4955 02:35:55.020 --> 02:35:58.003 WANT TO SORT OF LEAVE HANGING 4956 02:35:58.003 --> 02:36:00.006 WHEN THIS WHOLE THING IS DONE 4957 02:36:00.006 --> 02:36:01.017 AND DEPENDING ON WHEN WE AS A 4958 02:36:01.017 --> 02:36:02.010 COUNCIL ARE DONE WITH IT OF OF 4959 02:36:02.010 --> 02:36:04.014 SORT OF HAVING A BIG QUESTION 4960 02:36:04.014 --> 02:36:05.023 MARKS ABOUT WHAT DID SOME 4961 02:36:05.023 --> 02:36:07.003 OF OUR EMPLOYEES KNOW AND AND 4962 02:36:07.003 --> 02:36:10.002 HOPEFULLY NOT LEAVING IT THAT 4963 02:36:10.002 --> 02:36:13.001 PEOPLE CAN STILL QUESTION 4964 02:36:13.001 --> 02:36:14.010 PERHAPS THEIR INTEGRITY BECAUSE 4965 02:36:14.010 --> 02:36:16.025 I CERTAINLY ALL OF US ONLY HAVE 4966 02:36:16.025 --> 02:36:17.012 A REPUTATION AND AND IF IN FACT 4967 02:36:17.012 --> 02:36:20.022 YOUR REPORT IS INCORRECT I 4968 02:36:20.022 --> 02:36:21.023 THINK WE NEED TO TRY TO FIND 4969 02:36:21.023 --> 02:36:22.023 OUT WHAT THE TRUTH IS AND MAYBE 4970 02:36:22.023 --> 02:36:23.024 WE NEVER WILL. SO I JUST WANT 4971 02:36:23.024 --> 02:36:25.011 TO GET AT SOME OF THAT KIND 4972 02:36:25.011 --> 02:36:28.018 OF QUESTIONS AND SOME OF IT 4973 02:36:28.018 --> 02:36:29.016 MIGHT JUST EVOLVE A LITTLE 4974 02:36:29.016 --> 02:36:30.003 LATER ON AS WE PROCEED WITH 4975 02:36:30.003 --> 02:36:32.022 THIS >> BUT PARTICULARLY WHEN 4976 02:36:32.022 --> 02:36:33.008 IT COMES TO THE MAY 14TH 4977 02:36:33.008 --> 02:36:36.021 MEETING AND I DON'T REALLY KNOW 4978 02:36:36.021 --> 02:36:37.028 WHO TO ASK SOME OF THESE 4979 02:36:37.028 --> 02:36:38.021 QUESTIONS BECAUSE I REALLY 4980 02:36:38.021 --> 02:36:39.022 DON'T KNOW SORT OF WHO'S TAKING 4981 02:36:39.022 --> 02:36:41.013 THE LEAD ON THIS. BUT I KNOW 4982 02:36:41.013 --> 02:36:43.010 THAT THE MEETING WAS WITH WITH 4983 02:36:43.010 --> 02:36:45.026 MR. DINNER LINE IF I'M 4984 02:36:45.026 --> 02:36:46.018 PRONOUNCING HIS NAME RIGHT WHO 4985 02:36:46.018 --> 02:36:48.006 IS THE VP OF SALES FOR CISCO 4986 02:36:48.006 --> 02:36:51.005 AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT HIS ROLE 4987 02:36:51.005 --> 02:36:54.006 IF HE HAD ANY ROLE WHATSOEVER 4988 02:36:54.006 --> 02:36:56.029 >> IN THE CONVERGED NETWORK OR 4989 02:36:56.029 --> 02:36:57.021 WAS HE REALLY ALL INVOLVED IN 4990 02:36:57.021 --> 02:36:59.029 THE ONE VOICE ISSUE >> HE DID 4991 02:36:59.029 --> 02:37:02.009 NOT HAVE A ROLE IN THE 4992 02:37:02.009 --> 02:37:05.003 CONVERGED NETWORK RFP. THE 4993 02:37:05.003 --> 02:37:09.029 MEETING WAS REQUESTED AND IF 4994 02:37:09.029 --> 02:37:10.003 YOU GO BACK TO THE SLIDE WITH 4995 02:37:10.003 --> 02:37:14.009 >> IT'S EXHIBIT E AND IT'S THE 4996 02:37:14.009 --> 02:37:20.026 >> SECOND PAGE OF EXHIBIT E 4997 02:37:20.026 --> 02:37:21.025 WHICH IS THE MESSAGE YOU KNOW, 4998 02:37:21.025 --> 02:37:24.003 WHICH BASICALLY SAYS THAT THERE 4999 02:37:24.003 --> 02:37:26.026 WAS A CALL FROM KAMI AT CISCO 5000 02:37:26.026 --> 02:37:27.006 TO SET UP A MEETING BETWEEN YOU 5001 02:37:27.006 --> 02:37:29.019 AND DOUG BANNERMAN SVP FOR 5002 02:37:29.019 --> 02:37:31.010 ENTERPRISE SALES. MR. DONLIN 5003 02:37:31.010 --> 02:37:33.021 JUST WANTS TO ESTABLISH SOME 5004 02:37:33.021 --> 02:37:34.012 EXECUTIVE LEVEL RELATIONSHIP 5005 02:37:34.012 --> 02:37:36.009 WITH YOU. KAMI SPECIFICALLY 5006 02:37:36.009 --> 02:37:39.026 ASKED FOR A DATE MAY AND THIS 5007 02:37:39.026 --> 02:37:40.003 HAS BEEN SCHEDULED FOR FRIDAY 5008 02:37:40.003 --> 02:37:42.009 MAY 14TH 1:30 P.M. FOR AN HOUR. 5009 02:37:42.009 --> 02:37:45.009 OKAY. THAT'S THE YOU KNOW, THE 5010 02:37:45.009 --> 02:37:47.008 MESSAGE WHICH SORT OF KICKS OFF 5011 02:37:47.008 --> 02:37:49.016 THIS THIS WHOLE ISSUE IN >> 5012 02:37:49.016 --> 02:37:51.005 TALKING TO MR. DANIEL IN ME I 5013 02:37:51.005 --> 02:37:53.001 HIM YOU KNOW WERE YOU THERE TO 5014 02:37:53.001 --> 02:37:54.010 TALK ABOUT ONE VOICE YOU KNOW 5015 02:37:54.010 --> 02:37:55.010 HE SAID I'VE HEARD THE TERM BUT 5016 02:37:55.010 --> 02:37:57.023 YOU KNOW THAT DIDN'T APPEAR TO 5017 02:37:57.023 --> 02:37:58.006 BE YOU KNOW PART YOU KNOW A BIG 5018 02:37:58.006 --> 02:38:01.018 PART OF WHAT HE DOES. I ASKED 5019 02:38:01.018 --> 02:38:04.026 YOU KNOW >> YOU KNOW, I GUESS 5020 02:38:04.026 --> 02:38:07.028 THAT THAT WAS AN IMPORTANT 5021 02:38:07.028 --> 02:38:08.029 POINT. YOU JUST SAID THAT MR. 5022 02:38:08.029 --> 02:38:11.013 SAID THAT IT ISN'T A LOT 5023 02:38:11.013 --> 02:38:13.015 OF WHAT HE DOES WITH THE ONE 5024 02:38:13.015 --> 02:38:14.026 VOICE >> HE'S HE'S IN THE 5025 02:38:14.026 --> 02:38:16.008 SALES AS OPPOSED TO THE YOU 5026 02:38:16.008 --> 02:38:18.016 KNOW AND YOU KNOW THE OTHER 5027 02:38:18.016 --> 02:38:21.026 SIDE OF THE HOUSE, IF YOU WILL, 5028 02:38:21.026 --> 02:38:22.029 YOU KNOW, WHICH YOU KNOW, DEALS 5029 02:38:22.029 --> 02:38:23.003 WITH YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE ONE 5030 02:38:23.003 --> 02:38:26.017 VOICE. AND SO >> YOU KNOW, HE 5031 02:38:26.017 --> 02:38:27.029 WAS THERE YOU KNOW, HE SAID TO 5032 02:38:27.029 --> 02:38:28.012 BASICALLY SHOW OUR SUPPORT, YOU 5033 02:38:28.012 --> 02:38:31.019 KNOW, AND WE'LL ACKNOWLEDGE 5034 02:38:31.019 --> 02:38:33.000 WHAT HAPPENED AND ACKNOWLEDGE 5035 02:38:33.000 --> 02:38:35.002 WE'D BE THERE, YOU KNOW, GOING 5036 02:38:35.002 --> 02:38:36.015 FORWARD AS FAR AS IT GOES. 5037 02:38:36.015 --> 02:38:37.014 THAT'S YOU KNOW WHAT HE 5038 02:38:37.014 --> 02:38:38.015 UNDERSTOOD THAT HE WAS GOING 5039 02:38:38.015 --> 02:38:39.020 OVER THERE TO SORT OF FORGE 5040 02:38:39.020 --> 02:38:40.026 THAT RELATIONSHIP ON THIS 5041 02:38:40.026 --> 02:38:41.004 EXECUTIVE LEVEL, IF YOU WILL. 5042 02:38:41.004 --> 02:38:43.004 OKAY. AND >> SO AGAIN, AS FAR 5043 02:38:43.004 --> 02:38:44.004 AS YOU KNOW, HE HAD NO 5044 02:38:44.004 --> 02:38:46.019 INVOLVEMENT PERHAPS NOT EVEN 5045 02:38:46.019 --> 02:38:47.025 ANY AWARENESS OF THE CONVERGENT 5046 02:38:47.025 --> 02:38:50.001 NETWORK >> RFP. HE WAS AWARE 5047 02:38:50.001 --> 02:38:53.016 OF THE CONVERGED NETWORK RFP 5048 02:38:53.016 --> 02:38:54.002 BUT HE CERTAINLY DIDN'T KNOW 5049 02:38:54.002 --> 02:38:56.022 ANY DETAILS ABOUT THE CONVERGED 5050 02:38:56.022 --> 02:38:57.001 NETWORK RFP. HE ONLY HAD 5051 02:38:57.001 --> 02:39:00.018 AT BEST A GENERAL SENSE OF OF 5052 02:39:00.018 --> 02:39:03.025 OF WHERE THEY WERE EVEN AT IN 5053 02:39:03.025 --> 02:39:04.016 THE PROCESS. AND SO I >> GUESS 5054 02:39:04.016 --> 02:39:06.015 WHAT I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE 5055 02:39:06.015 --> 02:39:07.021 OUT BECAUSE WE HAVE SUCH 5056 02:39:07.021 --> 02:39:08.000 DIFFERENT VERSIONS OF WHAT 5057 02:39:08.000 --> 02:39:11.002 HAPPENED AT THAT MEETING WE 5058 02:39:11.002 --> 02:39:12.008 CERTAINLY HAVE MR. >> DINNER 5059 02:39:12.008 --> 02:39:13.002 VERSION WHICH WAS AT THE 5060 02:39:13.002 --> 02:39:15.022 CONVERGENCE NETWORK TOPIC CAME 5061 02:39:15.022 --> 02:39:16.021 UP AND WE HAVE MR. WHO SAYS NO, 5062 02:39:16.021 --> 02:39:18.003 IT DIDN'T COME UP AT ALL >> SO 5063 02:39:18.003 --> 02:39:20.010 I GUESS I'M JUST TRYING TO 5064 02:39:20.010 --> 02:39:21.010 FIGURE OUT IF MR. LINE REALLY 5065 02:39:21.010 --> 02:39:23.024 DIDN'T HAVE A ANY WORKING 5066 02:39:23.024 --> 02:39:25.001 KNOWLEDGE OF OF THE CONTRACTS 5067 02:39:25.001 --> 02:39:29.002 IN THE BUSINESS BETWEEN THE 5068 02:39:29.002 --> 02:39:30.015 CITY AND CISCO WITH THE 5069 02:39:30.015 --> 02:39:31.021 CONVERGED >> NETWORK. WHY WOULD 5070 02:39:31.021 --> 02:39:32.017 HE HAVE BROUGHT IT UP IN THE 5071 02:39:32.017 --> 02:39:33.000 CONVERSATION? >> WELL HE DID 5072 02:39:33.000 --> 02:39:36.023 NOT BRING IT UP IN THE 5073 02:39:36.023 --> 02:39:36.016 CONVERSATION WAS TALKING ABOUT 5074 02:39:36.016 --> 02:39:38.004 HOW THE MEETING STARTED OFF AND 5075 02:39:38.004 --> 02:39:40.008 THERE WERE THESE COMMENTS MADE 5076 02:39:40.008 --> 02:39:41.004 BY THE CITY MANAGER AND HE 5077 02:39:41.004 --> 02:39:43.024 RESPOND TO THEM YES, CISCO WILL 5078 02:39:43.024 --> 02:39:44.014 BE THERE FOR YOU AND AND >> 5079 02:39:44.014 --> 02:39:46.022 UNDERSTAND THAT YOU KNOW, WHEN 5080 02:39:46.022 --> 02:39:47.011 >> CARMEN HARBOR IS HERE 5081 02:39:47.011 --> 02:39:50.011 AT THIS LEVEL IS THE MAJOR 5082 02:39:50.011 --> 02:39:51.014 ACCOUNT MANAGER WORKING WITH 5083 02:39:51.014 --> 02:39:53.003 THE I.T STAFF ON THIS AND HE'S 5084 02:39:53.003 --> 02:39:56.005 >> SEVERAL LEVELS BUT >> IT'S 5085 02:39:56.005 --> 02:39:58.006 IN THE SAME YOU KNOW CALL 5086 02:39:58.006 --> 02:40:01.025 OF THEM AUTHORITY OR 5087 02:40:01.025 --> 02:40:01.028 RESPONSIBILITY IF YOU WILL. YOU 5088 02:40:01.028 --> 02:40:03.010 KNOW IT WAS THE SALES PORTION 5089 02:40:03.010 --> 02:40:06.003 OF THE HOUSE AND SO THAT'S YOU 5090 02:40:06.003 --> 02:40:09.005 KNOW WAS THE RELATIONSHIP 5091 02:40:09.005 --> 02:40:10.004 BETWEEN KNOW HIM IN HER AND YOU 5092 02:40:10.004 --> 02:40:13.006 KNOW AS I SAID YOU KNOW HE 5093 02:40:13.006 --> 02:40:14.005 UNDERSTOOD THAT HE WAS COMING 5094 02:40:14.005 --> 02:40:15.015 OVER THERE YOU KNOW PROVIDE 5095 02:40:15.015 --> 02:40:16.019 THIS SORT OF SHOW THE FLAG 5096 02:40:16.019 --> 02:40:17.005 ASSURANCE OF CONTINUED AND 5097 02:40:17.005 --> 02:40:19.008 FUTURE SUPPORT IF YOU WILL SO 5098 02:40:19.008 --> 02:40:21.018 >> TO JUST WHAT YOU JUST SAID 5099 02:40:21.018 --> 02:40:22.025 THAT AT SORT OF AT THE 5100 02:40:22.025 --> 02:40:23.018 BEGINNING OF THE MEETING HE 5101 02:40:23.018 --> 02:40:25.004 MENTIONED THE WHOLE THING ABOUT 5102 02:40:25.004 --> 02:40:28.010 CONVERGED NETWORK IN ALL 5103 02:40:28.010 --> 02:40:29.006 WORKING TOGETHER NO >> AGAIN IT 5104 02:40:29.006 --> 02:40:31.018 WAS THE CITY MANAGER. THE CITY 5105 02:40:31.018 --> 02:40:32.014 MANAGER YES HIS >> YOU HIS 5106 02:40:32.014 --> 02:40:35.023 UNDERSTAND WHAT HE SAID TO 5107 02:40:35.023 --> 02:40:37.014 HAPPEN IS THAT IT WAS STARTED 5108 02:40:37.014 --> 02:40:39.020 OFF BY THE CITY MANAGER AND 5109 02:40:39.020 --> 02:40:40.010 AGAIN YOU KNOW THE CITY MANAGER 5110 02:40:40.010 --> 02:40:42.011 YOU KNOW HIS STATED THAT HE 5111 02:40:42.011 --> 02:40:43.020 DOES NOT RECALL MAKING 5112 02:40:43.020 --> 02:40:44.021 STATEMENTS BUT THIS IS WHAT MR. 5113 02:40:44.021 --> 02:40:45.005 DEVLIN SAYS IS THAT THE CITY 5114 02:40:45.005 --> 02:40:47.023 MANAGER START OFF I WANT TO 5115 02:40:47.023 --> 02:40:48.002 EXPRESS OUR APPRECIATION, YOU 5116 02:40:48.002 --> 02:40:50.003 KNOW, FOR WHAT YOU KNOW YOU'VE 5117 02:40:50.003 --> 02:40:53.005 DONE TO ASSIST >> US THUS FAR. 5118 02:40:53.005 --> 02:40:55.028 YOU >> KNOW WE'RE UP AGAINST A 5119 02:40:55.028 --> 02:40:55.016 TIGHT TIMELINE. WE CAN'T AFFORD 5120 02:40:55.016 --> 02:40:57.017 ANY FURTHER DELAY IN THIS 5121 02:40:57.017 --> 02:40:58.017 PROJECT. WE, YOU KNOW, WANT TO 5122 02:40:58.017 --> 02:41:00.023 JUST MAKE SURE THAT AS WE 5123 02:41:00.023 --> 02:41:01.005 GO FORWARD THAT YOU KNOW, WE 5124 02:41:01.005 --> 02:41:03.011 HAVE CONTINUED SUPPORT. 5125 02:41:03.011 --> 02:41:04.013 DONILON'S RESPONSE YOU KNOW, 5126 02:41:04.013 --> 02:41:05.016 YES, YOU KNOW, WE WILL CONTINUE 5127 02:41:05.016 --> 02:41:06.003 TO PROVIDE SUPPORT AND THEN 5128 02:41:06.003 --> 02:41:08.022 THEY MOVED ON TO OTHER TOPICS 5129 02:41:08.022 --> 02:41:09.006 OF THE DISCUSSION AT SOME POINT 5130 02:41:09.006 --> 02:41:11.001 AFTER THAT >> AND MR. DEADLINES 5131 02:41:11.001 --> 02:41:14.012 NOTES OF THE MEETING CONFIRM 5132 02:41:14.012 --> 02:41:16.011 THAT THAT'S THAT THAT'S WHAT 5133 02:41:16.011 --> 02:41:17.015 DALE HAD SAID. MR. DINNER LINE 5134 02:41:17.015 --> 02:41:19.027 DOES NOT HAVE ANY NOTES OF THE 5135 02:41:19.027 --> 02:41:20.004 MEETING THE THE NOTES THERE 5136 02:41:20.004 --> 02:41:23.029 WERE TWO SETS OF NOTES TAKEN 5137 02:41:23.029 --> 02:41:24.001 AT THE MEETING ONE WAS IN THE 5138 02:41:24.001 --> 02:41:27.004 THE MEMO THAT WAS PROVIDED TO 5139 02:41:27.004 --> 02:41:28.021 YOU BY THE CITY MANAGER ON 5140 02:41:28.021 --> 02:41:30.008 JANUARY 5TH. THE OTHER NOTES 5141 02:41:30.008 --> 02:41:32.012 THE MEETING ARE THOSE THAT ARE 5142 02:41:32.012 --> 02:41:33.017 ATTACHED TO OUR REPORT I 5143 02:41:33.017 --> 02:41:34.000 BELIEVE IS EXHIBIT F, EXHIBIT F 5144 02:41:34.000 --> 02:41:39.023 >> OKAY. MR. >> WORDSWORTH, IF 5145 02:41:39.023 --> 02:41:41.023 I COULD ASK YOU WHAT YOUR 5146 02:41:41.023 --> 02:41:42.000 RECOLLECTION THEN OF THE 5147 02:41:42.000 --> 02:41:44.018 MEETING WAS AND I SUPPOSE YOU 5148 02:41:44.018 --> 02:41:45.029 WOULD REMEMBER IF WAS THE FIRST 5149 02:41:45.029 --> 02:41:47.017 THING THAT YOU SORT 5150 02:41:47.017 --> 02:41:48.016 OF MENTIONED AS THE MEETING 5151 02:41:48.016 --> 02:41:49.018 GOT UNDERWAY >> IT WAS NOT AND 5152 02:41:49.018 --> 02:41:52.018 THE THE INTERESTING THING ABOUT 5153 02:41:52.018 --> 02:41:55.012 THE ACCOUNT THAT YOU'VE HEARD 5154 02:41:55.012 --> 02:41:57.022 FROM MR. DEADLINE >> IS I DON'T 5155 02:41:57.022 --> 02:41:59.002 AS I RECALL REMEMBER THAT THERE 5156 02:41:59.002 --> 02:42:03.018 WERE ANY CONCERNS ABOUT THE 5157 02:42:03.018 --> 02:42:04.001 TIMELINE THE PROJECT AT THAT 5158 02:42:04.001 --> 02:42:07.010 POINT IN THE CHRONOLOGY OF OUR 5159 02:42:07.010 --> 02:42:09.023 WORRYING ABOUT CAPITAL. SO NOT 5160 02:42:09.023 --> 02:42:11.000 ONLY DID THE CONVERGED NETWORK 5161 02:42:11.000 --> 02:42:13.010 NOT COME UP NOR DID THE CITY 5162 02:42:13.010 --> 02:42:15.008 SCHEDULE, WHAT DID COME UP WAS 5163 02:42:15.008 --> 02:42:17.025 THE ISSUE AROUND MR. PENFIELD 5164 02:42:17.025 --> 02:42:19.002 WORK AND HOW WE WERE GOING TO 5165 02:42:19.002 --> 02:42:22.020 MOVE FORWARD WITH THE ONE VOICE 5166 02:42:22.020 --> 02:42:23.014 PROJECT AND WHETHER THERE WERE 5167 02:42:23.014 --> 02:42:25.009 ADDITIONAL CISCO FREE 5168 02:42:25.009 --> 02:42:27.023 CONSULTING RESOURCES THAT COULD 5169 02:42:27.023 --> 02:42:28.026 BE USED. AND I'M PARTICULARLY 5170 02:42:28.026 --> 02:42:30.006 INTERESTED BECAUSE EXHIBIT TWO 5171 02:42:30.006 --> 02:42:33.027 IN MY MEMO TO YOU IS THE THE 5172 02:42:33.027 --> 02:42:35.015 PRESENTATION MR. DINNER LINE 5173 02:42:35.015 --> 02:42:37.013 BROUGHT AND DID AT THE MEETING 5174 02:42:37.013 --> 02:42:39.025 WHEN HE MET WITH ME AND IT DOES 5175 02:42:39.025 --> 02:42:40.018 NOT HAVE THE CONVERGED NETWORK 5176 02:42:40.018 --> 02:42:42.023 AS A SLIDE DOES HAVE ONE VOICE. 5177 02:42:42.023 --> 02:42:44.018 IT DOES HAVE JOINT ACTIVITY. IT 5178 02:42:44.018 --> 02:42:46.014 DOES TALK ABOUT WIRELESS AND 5179 02:42:46.014 --> 02:42:48.018 DOWNTOWN AND VARIOUS SPEAKING 5180 02:42:48.018 --> 02:42:50.018 ENGAGEMENTS AND WE WERE 5181 02:42:50.018 --> 02:42:51.009 PARTICULARLY TALKING ABOUT THE 5182 02:42:51.009 --> 02:42:53.003 FACT THAT MR. PENDER PENFIELD 5183 02:42:53.003 --> 02:42:55.016 AND MR. DARNAY WHO ARE THE 5184 02:42:55.016 --> 02:42:57.010 PROJECT LEADERS FOR CISCO IN 5185 02:42:57.010 --> 02:42:59.027 THE CITY RESPECTIVELY WEREN'T 5186 02:42:59.027 --> 02:43:00.018 AT THE MEETING BECAUSE THEY 5187 02:43:00.018 --> 02:43:01.013 WERE OFF DOING A JOINT 5188 02:43:01.013 --> 02:43:02.008 PRESENTATION ON ONE VOICE. SO I 5189 02:43:02.008 --> 02:43:04.009 MEAN THE DOCUMENTS THAT WERE 5190 02:43:04.009 --> 02:43:05.017 USED FOR THE DISCUSSION ARE 5191 02:43:05.017 --> 02:43:07.001 HERE THEY WERE PRODUCED BY 5192 02:43:07.001 --> 02:43:09.003 CISCO AND IT WOULD SEEM TO 5193 02:43:09.003 --> 02:43:11.008 ME THAT THAT WOULD AND >> THERE 5194 02:43:11.008 --> 02:43:12.002 ARE A NUMBER OF OTHER PEOPLE 5195 02:43:12.002 --> 02:43:14.024 WHO ARE INVOLVED IN THAT 5196 02:43:14.024 --> 02:43:14.023 MEETING. I GATHER PAUL MAY BE 5197 02:43:14.023 --> 02:43:16.011 STANDING BECAUSE HE'S OF THE 5198 02:43:16.011 --> 02:43:18.018 PEOPLE WHO PARTICIPATED IN THAT 5199 02:43:18.018 --> 02:43:19.000 MEETING. SO YOU CAN DIRECT 5200 02:43:19.000 --> 02:43:21.019 QUESTIONS TO ANY OF THE CITY 5201 02:43:21.019 --> 02:43:22.019 EMPLOYEES WHO ARE INVOLVED THAT 5202 02:43:22.019 --> 02:43:23.010 ARE HERE. LOOK FORWARD TO WHAT 5203 02:43:23.010 --> 02:43:25.018 YOU CAN. BEFORE WE GO TO PAUL, 5204 02:43:25.018 --> 02:43:26.029 CAN I ASK FOLLOW UP QUESTION TO 5205 02:43:26.029 --> 02:43:27.013 MR. MOYE. YOU REFERENCED 5206 02:43:27.013 --> 02:43:32.000 APPENDIX F IN YOUR RESPONSE TO 5207 02:43:32.000 --> 02:43:36.022 CUSTOMER YEAGER WHOSE NOTE HAND 5208 02:43:36.022 --> 02:43:37.021 NOTES ARE THESE? THOSE >> ARE 5209 02:43:37.021 --> 02:43:40.003 KAMI HIM HANDWRITTEN NOTES. >> 5210 02:43:40.003 --> 02:43:45.001 OKAY. THANK YOU. PAUL DO YOU 5211 02:43:45.001 --> 02:43:47.018 WANT TO RESPOND TO AS FOR 5212 02:43:47.018 --> 02:43:48.007 YEAGER'S QUESTIONS? >> YES. MAY 5213 02:43:48.007 --> 02:43:50.022 I FELT THE NEED TO COME TO THE 5214 02:43:50.022 --> 02:43:53.024 DAIS THIS WE WERE ASKED 5215 02:43:53.024 --> 02:43:58.009 DETAILED QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS 5216 02:43:58.009 --> 02:44:00.001 MEETING AND QUITE FRANKLY I'M 5217 02:44:00.001 --> 02:44:02.008 VERY DISAPPOINTED THAT WHAT WE 5218 02:44:02.008 --> 02:44:05.017 GAVE INFORMATION ON DIDN'T FIND 5219 02:44:05.017 --> 02:44:07.002 ITS WAY TO THE CITY COUNCIL 5220 02:44:07.002 --> 02:44:09.004 WHEN THIS REPORT I SPECIFICALLY 5221 02:44:09.004 --> 02:44:12.013 MENTIONED THAT WE ASKED CISCO 5222 02:44:12.013 --> 02:44:14.001 ABOUT THE REPRESENTATIVES THERE 5223 02:44:14.001 --> 02:44:16.009 ABOUT THEIR HELP IN DEVELOPING 5224 02:44:16.009 --> 02:44:18.029 NEW AIR SERVICE OPPORTUNITIES. 5225 02:44:18.029 --> 02:44:20.003 WE SPECIFICALLY ASKED THE CISCO 5226 02:44:20.003 --> 02:44:23.021 REPRESENTATIVES ABOUT MORE 5227 02:44:23.021 --> 02:44:26.006 MEETING BUSINESS BEING BROUGHT 5228 02:44:26.006 --> 02:44:28.017 TO THE COMMUNITY. THIS WAS 5229 02:44:28.017 --> 02:44:29.027 MEETING THAT I PARTICIPATED IN 5230 02:44:29.027 --> 02:44:31.002 IN THE DISCUSSION FROM THE 5231 02:44:31.002 --> 02:44:34.010 BEGINNING FOCUSED ON ONE VOICE 5232 02:44:34.010 --> 02:44:37.020 AND DEVELOPING A STRONG 5233 02:44:37.020 --> 02:44:38.006 CORPORATE RELATIONSHIP WITH 5234 02:44:38.006 --> 02:44:40.027 CISCO TO MOVE OUR COMMUNITY 5235 02:44:40.027 --> 02:44:42.000 FORWARD AS WE DOING WITH 100 5236 02:44:42.000 --> 02:44:46.021 OTHER COMPANIES AT THE SAME 5237 02:44:46.021 --> 02:44:47.021 TIME NOWHERE IN THE REPORT YOU 5238 02:44:47.021 --> 02:44:50.012 RECEIVED WAS ANY INFORMATION 5239 02:44:50.012 --> 02:44:53.005 GIVEN TO YOU ABOUT THE FACT 5240 02:44:53.005 --> 02:44:55.011 THAT WE WERE ENGAGED IN THIS 5241 02:44:55.011 --> 02:44:56.024 EFFORT THAT SENIOR STAFF IS YOU 5242 02:44:56.024 --> 02:44:58.021 KNOW, RECEIVED THESE REPORTS 5243 02:44:58.021 --> 02:45:00.000 WERE ASSIGNED AS ACCOUNT 5244 02:45:00.000 --> 02:45:02.007 EXECUTIVES AND WE WERE MOST TO 5245 02:45:02.007 --> 02:45:04.011 HAVE THE CITY MANAGER AGREE TO 5246 02:45:04.011 --> 02:45:06.015 BE THE ACCOUNT EXECUTIVE FOR 5247 02:45:06.015 --> 02:45:08.003 TEN OF OUR MOST SIGNIFICANT 5248 02:45:08.003 --> 02:45:10.006 EMPLOYERS. SO THE CONTEXT 5249 02:45:10.006 --> 02:45:12.004 OF THIS WAS WE WERE IN AN 5250 02:45:12.004 --> 02:45:14.003 ONGOING EFFORT TO MOVE FORWARD 5251 02:45:14.003 --> 02:45:17.006 AN AGENDA THAT HAD CIVIC 5252 02:45:17.006 --> 02:45:19.000 INVOLVEMENT AT THE TOP OF THE 5253 02:45:19.000 --> 02:45:21.017 AGENDA OF OUR COMPANIES AND 5254 02:45:21.017 --> 02:45:23.018 WHAT I'M DISAPPOINTED ABOUT 5255 02:45:23.018 --> 02:45:24.021 THERE MAY BE MANY THINGS THAT 5256 02:45:24.021 --> 02:45:26.019 THEY WANT TO SHARE WITH YOU BUT 5257 02:45:26.019 --> 02:45:27.022 THEY CLEARLY DIDN'T SHARE THE 5258 02:45:27.022 --> 02:45:29.011 INFORMATION THAT I PROVIDED AND 5259 02:45:29.011 --> 02:45:31.008 I'M PRETTY CONFIDENT THEY 5260 02:45:31.008 --> 02:45:32.023 DIDN'T SHARE THE INFORMATION 5261 02:45:32.023 --> 02:45:33.027 THAT KIM WALLACE PROVIDED 5262 02:45:33.027 --> 02:45:34.026 EITHER WHICH WAS QUITE DETAILED 5263 02:45:34.026 --> 02:45:36.010 ABOUT WHAT WE WERE ENGAGED IN 5264 02:45:36.010 --> 02:45:39.000 AND BUSINESS APPRECIATION IN 5265 02:45:39.000 --> 02:45:42.004 ADVANCING OUR OWN STRATEGY AND 5266 02:45:42.004 --> 02:45:44.019 QUITE FRANKLY WE ENTERED THE 5267 02:45:44.019 --> 02:45:46.026 MEETING CISCO, BROUGHT OUT THE 5268 02:45:46.026 --> 02:45:48.005 HANDOUT THAT THE MANAGER HAS 5269 02:45:48.005 --> 02:45:50.024 PROVIDED TO YOU AND THAT WAS 5270 02:45:50.024 --> 02:45:51.019 THE BASIS THE WEEK BEING WALK 5271 02:45:51.019 --> 02:45:53.014 THROUGH THAT. SO THAT'S 5272 02:45:53.014 --> 02:45:55.021 MY RECOLLECTION. I JUST FELT 5273 02:45:55.021 --> 02:45:56.011 THE NEED TO COME TO THE DAIS 5274 02:45:56.011 --> 02:45:59.006 AND SHARE THAT WITH >> YOU. 5275 02:45:59.006 --> 02:46:01.021 THERE COULD I COULD I ASK A 5276 02:46:01.021 --> 02:46:02.026 FOLLOW UP QUESTION ABOUT THIS 5277 02:46:02.026 --> 02:46:03.005 EXHIBIT F TO PAUL? NO TO MR. 5278 02:46:03.005 --> 02:46:06.002 MIKE TO THIS EXHIBIT F WHAT 5279 02:46:06.002 --> 02:46:10.016 EXACTLY >> IN HERE LEAD YOU TO 5280 02:46:10.016 --> 02:46:12.011 BELIEVE THAT >> CALM INDICATED 5281 02:46:12.011 --> 02:46:17.017 THAT THAT THE CONVERGED NETWORK 5282 02:46:17.017 --> 02:46:22.013 AND NOT ONE VOICE WAS DISCUSSED 5283 02:46:22.013 --> 02:46:24.000 AT THIS MEETING AGAIN COUNCIL 5284 02:46:24.000 --> 02:46:28.006 MEMBER I JUST WANT TO MAKE 5285 02:46:28.006 --> 02:46:30.029 ABSOLUTELY CLEAR WE >> FOUND NO 5286 02:46:30.029 --> 02:46:32.025 EVIDENCE THAT THE CONVERGENCE 5287 02:46:32.025 --> 02:46:34.011 WORK WAS THE TOPIC OF THE FOCUS 5288 02:46:34.011 --> 02:46:38.029 OF THIS MEETING. THE QUESTION 5289 02:46:38.029 --> 02:46:39.015 FOR US WAS RAISED BY MR. 5290 02:46:39.015 --> 02:46:41.012 DANNIELYNN'S COMMENT THAT IT 5291 02:46:41.012 --> 02:46:43.000 STARTED OUT WITH THESE COMMENTS 5292 02:46:43.000 --> 02:46:45.022 BY THE CITY MANAGER REGARDING 5293 02:46:45.022 --> 02:46:46.007 THE RFP IN THIS EXCHANGE ABOUT 5294 02:46:46.007 --> 02:46:49.006 CONTINUED SUPPORT FOR THE RFP 5295 02:46:49.006 --> 02:46:51.005 AND >> ADMITTEDLY, YOU KNOW, 5296 02:46:51.005 --> 02:46:53.009 THERE'S ALL THE EVIDENCE THAT 5297 02:46:53.009 --> 02:46:55.016 THEY MOVED ON TO TALK TO ABOUT 5298 02:46:55.016 --> 02:46:57.023 ANOTHER A NUMBER OF OTHER 5299 02:46:57.023 --> 02:46:59.023 DIFFERENT ITEMS ALL OF THE ONES 5300 02:46:59.023 --> 02:47:01.024 THAT YOU KNOW MR. CROOKE I'LL 5301 02:47:01.024 --> 02:47:02.006 JUST REFER TO THE ONE TO THE 5302 02:47:02.006 --> 02:47:04.017 CITY MANAGERS REFER TO ALL 5303 02:47:04.017 --> 02:47:05.024 OF THOSE THINGS IN THE AGENDA. 5304 02:47:05.024 --> 02:47:06.024 WE'RE NOT SAYING THAT THEY 5305 02:47:06.024 --> 02:47:07.026 DIDN'T ABOUT THOSE THINGS. 5306 02:47:07.026 --> 02:47:08.006 WE'RE NOT SAYING THAT THAT WAS 5307 02:47:08.006 --> 02:47:10.028 NOT THE PURPOSE OF THEM GETTING 5308 02:47:10.028 --> 02:47:11.003 TOGETHER WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS 5309 02:47:11.003 --> 02:47:13.007 IN ADDITION TO THAT THIS ISSUE 5310 02:47:13.007 --> 02:47:15.008 CAME UP AND WITH RESPECT TO >> 5311 02:47:15.008 --> 02:47:17.006 KAMI HARPER'S NOTES, YOU KNOW, 5312 02:47:17.006 --> 02:47:19.016 SHE SAID THAT THERE WAS A YOU 5313 02:47:19.016 --> 02:47:20.018 KNOW, THAT THE RFP CAME UP 5314 02:47:20.018 --> 02:47:22.000 AT THE BEGINNING AND THEN SHE 5315 02:47:22.000 --> 02:47:24.012 SAYS THAT YES, THEY THEN MOVED 5316 02:47:24.012 --> 02:47:25.005 ON TO THESE OTHER TOPICS THERE 5317 02:47:25.005 --> 02:47:27.017 AND I THERE WAS NOTHING 5318 02:47:27.017 --> 02:47:28.017 SPECIFIC WITH RESPECT TO HER 5319 02:47:28.017 --> 02:47:30.029 HANDWRITTEN NOTES. YOU OTHER 5320 02:47:30.029 --> 02:47:31.027 THAN THE NOTATION ON THE NCC 5321 02:47:31.027 --> 02:47:33.003 AND YOU KNOW, SHE DID NOT SAY 5322 02:47:33.003 --> 02:47:35.008 THAT YOU KNOW YES, THAT REFERS 5323 02:47:35.008 --> 02:47:36.024 TO THE RFP OR ANYTHING LIKE 5324 02:47:36.024 --> 02:47:38.013 THAT. BUT THOSE WERE THE 5325 02:47:38.013 --> 02:47:40.017 CONTEMPORANEOUS NOTES THAT WE 5326 02:47:40.017 --> 02:47:42.005 OBTAINED FROM CISCO REGARDING 5327 02:47:42.005 --> 02:47:44.017 THE MEETING AND THEN THE CITY 5328 02:47:44.017 --> 02:47:45.008 MANAGER PROVIDED TO YOU HIS 5329 02:47:45.008 --> 02:47:47.028 CONTEMPORANEOUS NOTES. DID YOU 5330 02:47:47.028 --> 02:47:48.020 >> ASK HER IF THESE NOTES WERE 5331 02:47:48.020 --> 02:47:50.006 CONTEMPORANEOUS BECAUSE QUITE 5332 02:47:50.006 --> 02:47:52.019 FRANKLY I GO INTO MEETINGS AND 5333 02:47:52.019 --> 02:47:53.018 I'LL WRITE DOWN A >> WHOLE SLEW 5334 02:47:53.018 --> 02:47:56.002 OF, YOU KNOW, BULLET POINTS 5335 02:47:56.002 --> 02:47:59.017 OF THINGS I MAY WANT TO DISCUSS 5336 02:47:59.017 --> 02:48:02.022 WHEN I FIRST SAW THIS IT LOOKED 5337 02:48:02.022 --> 02:48:03.003 TO ME LIKE THE FIRST THIRD 5338 02:48:03.003 --> 02:48:05.017 OF THIS THIS NOTE WAS SOMETHING 5339 02:48:05.017 --> 02:48:08.006 THAT SHE WANTED TO DISCUSS AND 5340 02:48:08.006 --> 02:48:10.025 THEN LATER ON THE NOTE THE 5341 02:48:10.025 --> 02:48:12.024 HANDWRITING IS A LITTLE 5342 02:48:12.024 --> 02:48:13.021 DIFFERENT. SHE WAS TAKING NOTES 5343 02:48:13.021 --> 02:48:15.026 AT THAT TIME AND PUTTING 5344 02:48:15.026 --> 02:48:16.020 ASTERISKS AROUND THINGS THAT 5345 02:48:16.020 --> 02:48:18.006 WERE IN FACT >> QUESTIONED. BUT 5346 02:48:18.006 --> 02:48:21.002 I'M I GUESS MY CONCERN IS THAT 5347 02:48:21.002 --> 02:48:23.008 YOU'RE YOU'RE SUGGESTING THAT 5348 02:48:23.008 --> 02:48:25.010 THAT THIS WHOLE THING WAS 5349 02:48:25.010 --> 02:48:26.028 CONTEMPORANEOUS AND THAT NCC 5350 02:48:26.028 --> 02:48:29.010 MEANT >> THAT COULD HAVE MEANT 5351 02:48:29.010 --> 02:48:32.016 THE CONVERGED OR THAT THE NCC 5352 02:48:32.016 --> 02:48:35.015 WAS IN FACT DISCUSSED AS 5353 02:48:35.015 --> 02:48:37.020 OPPOSED TO SOMETHING SHE HAD 5354 02:48:37.020 --> 02:48:38.017 PUT DOWN ON A LIST PRIOR TO THE 5355 02:48:38.017 --> 02:48:40.029 MEETING TO HOPEFULLY DISCUSS IT 5356 02:48:40.029 --> 02:48:42.023 AT THE MEETING. >> YEAH I, I 5357 02:48:42.023 --> 02:48:45.028 DON'T YOU KNOW AS I SIT HERE 5358 02:48:45.028 --> 02:48:47.005 RECALL SPECIFICALLY WHAT 5359 02:48:47.005 --> 02:48:50.007 MY UNDERSTANDING IS THEY WERE 5360 02:48:50.007 --> 02:48:51.026 TAKING CONTEMPORANEOUSLY AND 5361 02:48:51.026 --> 02:48:52.011 I'D HAVE TO GO BACK TO MY NOTES 5362 02:48:52.011 --> 02:48:54.013 AND CONFIRM THAT AND I CAN 5363 02:48:54.013 --> 02:48:55.011 CERTAINLY GET BACK TO YOU ON 5364 02:48:55.011 --> 02:48:56.000 THAT POINT. YOU KNOW ONE OF THE 5365 02:48:56.000 --> 02:48:58.020 THINGS THAT CAME OUT IN THE 5366 02:48:58.020 --> 02:48:59.000 COURSE OF DISCUSSING THESE 5367 02:48:59.000 --> 02:49:01.011 NOTES AND WHAT THEY MEANT IS 5368 02:49:01.011 --> 02:49:02.027 THAT THEY REFERRED TO COMMENTS 5369 02:49:02.027 --> 02:49:04.003 THAT WERE MADE, YOU KNOW, BY 5370 02:49:04.003 --> 02:49:07.011 MR. BORING STAFF DURING THE 5371 02:49:07.011 --> 02:49:08.018 COURSE OF THE MEETING THAT YOU 5372 02:49:08.018 --> 02:49:09.003 KNOW, THIS WAS NO TAKING THE 5373 02:49:09.003 --> 02:49:11.007 TYPES OF THINGS THAT HE WAS 5374 02:49:11.007 --> 02:49:12.012 TALKING ABOUT DURING THE COURSE 5375 02:49:12.012 --> 02:49:13.014 OF THE MEETING BECAUSE YOU KNOW 5376 02:49:13.014 --> 02:49:15.028 YOU KNOW MR. IN IN PARTICULAR 5377 02:49:15.028 --> 02:49:17.020 RECALL THAT YOU KNOW THOSE 5378 02:49:17.020 --> 02:49:19.002 REMINDED HIM OF THINGS THAT HE 5379 02:49:19.002 --> 02:49:21.011 THOUGHT DELL WAS SAYING AND SO 5380 02:49:21.011 --> 02:49:22.008 THAT YOU KNOW AS I SIT HERE 5381 02:49:22.008 --> 02:49:24.012 SUGGESTS TO ME I REMEMBER THAT 5382 02:49:24.012 --> 02:49:25.018 SPECIFICALLY THAT'S WHAT LEADS 5383 02:49:25.018 --> 02:49:26.023 ME TO THINK THAT YES IT WAS 5384 02:49:26.023 --> 02:49:27.021 CONTEMPORANEOUS BUT I HAVE TO 5385 02:49:27.021 --> 02:49:28.029 CHECK THAT TO BE CERTAIN. OKAY. 5386 02:49:28.029 --> 02:49:29.023 I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO 5387 02:49:29.023 --> 02:49:31.000 ALL HAVE MORE QUESTIONS NEXT 5388 02:49:31.000 --> 02:49:33.016 WEEK. YOU KNOW AND I THINK WHAT 5389 02:49:33.016 --> 02:49:34.027 IT WHAT IT LEADS AND I KNOW 5390 02:49:34.027 --> 02:49:35.016 THAT WHEN WE'RE DONE WITH THE 5391 02:49:35.016 --> 02:49:36.002 DISCUSSION THEN WE'LL SEE WHAT 5392 02:49:36.002 --> 02:49:38.026 WHAT WHERE WE ALL WANT TO 5393 02:49:38.026 --> 02:49:39.022 GO TOGETHER. I THINK THIS POINT 5394 02:49:39.022 --> 02:49:41.005 IS SO IMPORTANT BECAUSE I 5395 02:49:41.005 --> 02:49:44.006 MEAN CONSISTENTLY THE CITY 5396 02:49:44.006 --> 02:49:45.004 MANAGER HAS SAID HE WAS NOT 5397 02:49:45.004 --> 02:49:47.008 AWARE OF THE INFORMATION GOING 5398 02:49:47.008 --> 02:49:49.008 ON ABOUT THE CONVERGE OVER AND 5399 02:49:49.008 --> 02:49:51.023 OVER AND HAS YOU KNOW AND HE 5400 02:49:51.023 --> 02:49:52.000 HAS PUT HIS REPUTATION ON THAT 5401 02:49:52.000 --> 02:49:54.013 LINE AND AND BASICALLY YOU'RE 5402 02:49:54.013 --> 02:49:55.006 SAYING NO, THAT'S NOT TRUE THAT 5403 02:49:55.006 --> 02:49:57.008 AS OF AS OF MAY 14TH HE KNEW 5404 02:49:57.008 --> 02:49:59.015 ENOUGH ABOUT IT THAT HE COULD 5405 02:49:59.015 --> 02:50:00.002 BRING IT UP IN THIS 5406 02:50:00.002 --> 02:50:01.028 CONVERSATION AND SO I WHATEVER 5407 02:50:01.028 --> 02:50:03.003 INFORMATION YOU CAN GET FROM 5408 02:50:03.003 --> 02:50:05.023 MR. INTERLINE AND OTHER PEOPLE 5409 02:50:05.023 --> 02:50:06.025 THAT WERE AT THAT MEETING AND 5410 02:50:06.025 --> 02:50:08.025 GIVE US GIVE US THAT 5411 02:50:08.025 --> 02:50:09.023 INFORMATION IS REALLY VERY 5412 02:50:09.023 --> 02:50:10.028 CRUCIAL BECAUSE I THINK IT'S A 5413 02:50:10.028 --> 02:50:11.015 POINT WE WE AS A COUNCIL NEED 5414 02:50:11.015 --> 02:50:13.000 TO BE ABSOLUTELY SURE ABOUT. 5415 02:50:13.000 --> 02:50:15.017 WELL, COUNCILMEMBER, YOU KNOW, 5416 02:50:15.017 --> 02:50:16.003 UNDERSTAND YOU KNOW, I YOU KNOW 5417 02:50:16.003 --> 02:50:18.008 HAVE A WITNESS WHO WHO SAYS 5418 02:50:18.008 --> 02:50:20.008 THAT THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED >> 5419 02:50:20.008 --> 02:50:21.018 AND I KNOW I DO NOT SEE A 5420 02:50:21.018 --> 02:50:24.000 MOTIVE FOR THEM TO TO MAKE UP 5421 02:50:24.000 --> 02:50:27.015 WHAT TELLING US AND YOU KNOW 5422 02:50:27.015 --> 02:50:28.017 THE STATEMENT THAT YOU KNOW, 5423 02:50:28.017 --> 02:50:29.015 YOU'RE TELLING US THE CITY 5424 02:50:29.015 --> 02:50:30.012 MANAGER'S LIKE YOU KNOW WHAT 5425 02:50:30.012 --> 02:50:31.008 I'M TELLING YOU IS THAT THERE'S 5426 02:50:31.008 --> 02:50:32.005 A CONFLICT IN THE EVIDENCE ON 5427 02:50:32.005 --> 02:50:34.002 THIS POINT AND HERE IS WHAT THE 5428 02:50:34.002 --> 02:50:36.011 CONFLICT IS IN HERE THE YOU 5429 02:50:36.011 --> 02:50:38.017 KNOW, THE TWO PEOPLE ARE SAYING 5430 02:50:38.017 --> 02:50:39.012 IT AND YOU KNOW, FORTUNATELY I 5431 02:50:39.012 --> 02:50:41.016 WAS TODAY TO PROVIDE A LITTLE 5432 02:50:41.016 --> 02:50:42.020 BIT MORE OF THE BACKGROUND 5433 02:50:42.020 --> 02:50:44.027 OF IT. BUT YOU KNOW, I WAS 5434 02:50:44.027 --> 02:50:46.002 AT THE MEETING SO I'M NOT 5435 02:50:46.002 --> 02:50:48.010 SAYING THAT WELL, YOU KNOW, HE 5436 02:50:48.010 --> 02:50:50.016 HE SAID THAT I'M TELLING YOU 5437 02:50:50.016 --> 02:50:51.015 WHAT THESE OTHER FOLKS HAVE 5438 02:50:51.015 --> 02:50:52.000 REPORTED AND WITH RESPECT TO 5439 02:50:52.000 --> 02:50:54.007 THE CONCLUSION THAT WE DRAW ON 5440 02:50:54.007 --> 02:50:55.022 THAT YOU KNOW, I PART OF OUR 5441 02:50:55.022 --> 02:50:57.015 JOB IS TO PRESENT FOR YOU THE 5442 02:50:57.015 --> 02:50:59.006 FACTS FROM WHICH YOU CAN YOUR 5443 02:50:59.006 --> 02:51:01.020 OWN CONCLUSIONS AS WELL TOO 5444 02:51:01.020 --> 02:51:03.007 BECAUSE WE WEREN'T THERE. WE 5445 02:51:03.007 --> 02:51:05.019 YOU KNOW, WE IN NO BETTER 5446 02:51:05.019 --> 02:51:06.013 OF POSITION, YOU KNOW, TO TO 5447 02:51:06.013 --> 02:51:08.021 SAY YOU KNOW, WHO'S TO BELIEVE 5448 02:51:08.021 --> 02:51:09.000 BELIEVE OR WHO'S NOT ALL'S WE 5449 02:51:09.000 --> 02:51:11.006 CAN DO IS PROVIDE FOR YOU OUR 5450 02:51:11.006 --> 02:51:12.009 THOUGHT PROCESS AND HOW WE 5451 02:51:12.009 --> 02:51:13.029 ARRIVE AT THAT CONCLUSION AND 5452 02:51:13.029 --> 02:51:14.005 THEN BASED UPON THAT YOU CAN 5453 02:51:14.005 --> 02:51:16.003 DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT YOU'RE 5454 02:51:16.003 --> 02:51:17.010 COMFORTABLE GOING WITH THE 5455 02:51:17.010 --> 02:51:18.017 CONCLUSION WE'VE DRAWN OR GOING 5456 02:51:18.017 --> 02:51:19.017 WITH SOME OTHER CONCLUSION. BUT 5457 02:51:19.017 --> 02:51:21.022 YOU KNOW, AT THIS POINT IT'S 5458 02:51:21.022 --> 02:51:23.006 YOU KNOW, THE EVIDENCE IS THERE 5459 02:51:23.006 --> 02:51:25.011 AND THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE 5460 02:51:25.011 --> 02:51:26.006 TO US. SO THAT'S THAT'S WHAT 5461 02:51:26.006 --> 02:51:28.009 WE'RE THAT'S >> WE'RE OFFERING 5462 02:51:28.009 --> 02:51:29.014 RIGHT. AND AND YOU KNOW, IT 5463 02:51:29.014 --> 02:51:30.009 JUST BECAUSE IT HAD SORT 5464 02:51:30.009 --> 02:51:31.021 OF COME UP WITH WITH THE SENSE 5465 02:51:31.021 --> 02:51:33.023 YOU'RE HEARING ABOUT 5466 02:51:33.023 --> 02:51:34.017 COUNCILMEMBER GREGORY WHERE THE 5467 02:51:34.017 --> 02:51:36.023 WE AS A COUNCIL REALLY WANTED 5468 02:51:36.023 --> 02:51:37.005 TO HEAR FROM FROM THE PEOPLE 5469 02:51:37.005 --> 02:51:39.015 THEMSELVES TO HEAR WHAT THEY 5470 02:51:39.015 --> 02:51:40.015 HAD TO SAY RATHER THAN GETTING 5471 02:51:40.015 --> 02:51:41.018 IT FILTERED. AND I REALIZE THAT 5472 02:51:41.018 --> 02:51:42.003 YOU SPOKE WITH MR. NONE OF US 5473 02:51:42.003 --> 02:51:45.014 HAVE AND SO WE DON'T WE DIDN'T 5474 02:51:45.014 --> 02:51:47.025 HEAR WHAT YOU HEARD AND A WAY 5475 02:51:47.025 --> 02:51:48.006 IT GOT FILTERED THROUGH YOU. SO 5476 02:51:48.006 --> 02:51:50.008 AGAIN, I'M NOT SURE WHERE WE'RE 5477 02:51:50.008 --> 02:51:51.009 GOING TO GO AS A COUNCIL AND 5478 02:51:51.009 --> 02:51:52.021 ALL THIS BUT MAYBE ONE OF THE 5479 02:51:52.021 --> 02:51:53.024 POINTS I'M RAISING IS THAT 5480 02:51:53.024 --> 02:51:54.021 MAYBE HAVING HIM GIVE A 5481 02:51:54.021 --> 02:51:56.012 DEPOSITION OR GIVING US HIS 5482 02:51:56.012 --> 02:51:58.019 VERSION MEANS THAT WE COULD 5483 02:51:58.019 --> 02:51:59.002 READ IT EXACTLY FOR OURSELVES 5484 02:51:59.002 --> 02:52:01.011 RATHER THAN HAVING IT THROUGH 5485 02:52:01.011 --> 02:52:02.016 THROUGH. BUT WE'LL SEE WHERE 5486 02:52:02.016 --> 02:52:03.013 THE COUNCIL WANTS TO GO ON 5487 02:52:03.013 --> 02:52:04.023 THAT. THE OTHER ISSUE IS THE IS 5488 02:52:04.023 --> 02:52:06.011 THE EMAIL TO MR. LINDER ON MAY 5489 02:52:06.011 --> 02:52:10.029 21ST AND AND I GUESS I'M A 5490 02:52:10.029 --> 02:52:13.011 LITTLE CONFUSED ABOUT WHETHER 5491 02:52:13.011 --> 02:52:16.025 IT'S CORRECT THAT THAT WHEN YOU 5492 02:52:16.025 --> 02:52:18.003 GOT A COPY OF IT MR. MOYE THAT 5493 02:52:18.003 --> 02:52:20.004 THAT WAS THE VERY FIRST TIME 5494 02:52:20.004 --> 02:52:21.005 THAT THIS EMAIL TO MR. LINDER 5495 02:52:21.005 --> 02:52:23.020 HAD HAD SURFACED OR WHETHER IT 5496 02:52:23.020 --> 02:52:25.007 HAD BEEN IN ANY OTHER REPORTS 5497 02:52:25.007 --> 02:52:27.015 OR HAD BEEN GIVEN TO ANYBODY 5498 02:52:27.015 --> 02:52:29.027 ELSE ALONG THE LINE I WASN'T 5499 02:52:29.027 --> 02:52:30.029 CLEAR ABOUT IT'S THE >> FIRST 5500 02:52:30.029 --> 02:52:31.026 TIME IT CAME TO OUR OUR 5501 02:52:31.026 --> 02:52:33.007 ATTENTION DURING THE COURSE 5502 02:52:33.007 --> 02:52:35.024 OF OUR INVESTIGATION AND THEN 5503 02:52:35.024 --> 02:52:38.028 AS WE UP ON IT WE LEARNED THAT 5504 02:52:38.028 --> 02:52:40.021 A COPY HAD BEEN PROVIDED TO MR. 5505 02:52:40.021 --> 02:52:44.010 GARZA >> IN THE COURSE OF HIS 5506 02:52:44.010 --> 02:52:46.021 PERSONNEL INVESTIGATION BUT 5507 02:52:46.021 --> 02:52:47.003 THAT WAS NOT INCLUDED EITHER IN 5508 02:52:47.003 --> 02:52:50.023 THE SUMMARY OF THE 5509 02:52:50.023 --> 02:52:50.007 INVESTIGATION THAT WE RECEIVE 5510 02:52:50.007 --> 02:52:52.017 OR ANY OF THE WITNESS SUMMARIES 5511 02:52:52.017 --> 02:52:53.029 THAT WE RECEIVED FROM HIS 5512 02:52:53.029 --> 02:52:54.005 INVESTIGATION. SO >> MAYBE 5513 02:52:54.005 --> 02:52:58.027 MARK, YOU COULD EXPLAIN SO WHY 5514 02:52:58.027 --> 02:52:59.003 IS IT THAT THAT YOU GAVE IT TO 5515 02:52:59.003 --> 02:53:02.021 MR. GARZA AND I'M NOT SURE IT 5516 02:53:02.021 --> 02:53:03.026 WAS SPECIFICALLY REQUESTED FOR 5517 02:53:03.026 --> 02:53:04.022 MR. MOYE, BUT I GUESS I'M 5518 02:53:04.022 --> 02:53:06.000 TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHY IT 5519 02:53:06.000 --> 02:53:08.007 DIDN'T SHOW UP EVERYWHERE ALONG 5520 02:53:08.007 --> 02:53:10.016 THE LINE PARTICULARLY IS WHAT 5521 02:53:10.016 --> 02:53:11.008 WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WITH WITH 5522 02:53:11.008 --> 02:53:13.029 THE PUBLIC RECORDS ACT AND 5523 02:53:13.029 --> 02:53:14.014 WHETHER THAT WAS SOMEHOW A 5524 02:53:14.014 --> 02:53:16.028 CONFIDENTIAL >> MEMO OR NOT. SO 5525 02:53:16.028 --> 02:53:19.005 MARK >> AND MARK LINDER SAYS 5526 02:53:19.005 --> 02:53:21.010 THE CITY MANAGER ACTUALLY I 5527 02:53:21.010 --> 02:53:22.001 THOUGHT IT WAS OUT IN ALL THE 5528 02:53:22.001 --> 02:53:24.001 OTHER ONES SO I WAS INTERESTED 5529 02:53:24.001 --> 02:53:26.014 TO LEARN THAT WASN'T I GAVE IT 5530 02:53:26.014 --> 02:53:27.017 TO MR. GARZA IN PARTICULAR 5531 02:53:27.017 --> 02:53:29.004 BECAUSE >> IT WAS THE THE 5532 02:53:29.004 --> 02:53:32.023 COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE BY THE 5533 02:53:32.023 --> 02:53:34.004 BY VANJA WERE KIND OF HEARD 5534 02:53:34.004 --> 02:53:37.012 DEFENSE AND I THOUGHT HE OUGHT 5535 02:53:37.012 --> 02:53:39.007 TO HAVE WHAT HER DEFENSE WAS IN 5536 02:53:39.007 --> 02:53:41.028 MAY AS HE WAS PREPARING TO DO 5537 02:53:41.028 --> 02:53:42.001 HIS INVESTIGATION. AND I DIDN'T 5538 02:53:42.001 --> 02:53:45.015 KNOW WHETHER HE IT OR DIDN'T 5539 02:53:45.015 --> 02:53:46.016 HAVE IT BUT SINCE I KNOW THAT 5540 02:53:46.016 --> 02:53:48.027 THERE IS EMAIL ACCESS TO ALL 5541 02:53:48.027 --> 02:53:50.010 OF EMAILS EVEN IN THIS 5542 02:53:50.010 --> 02:53:52.005 INVESTIGATION AND SINCE IT WAS 5543 02:53:52.005 --> 02:53:54.007 AN EMAIL THAT SHE SENT TO ME I 5544 02:53:54.007 --> 02:53:56.018 REALLY THOUGHT IT WAS OUT THERE 5545 02:53:56.018 --> 02:53:57.005 AND IN PUBLIC RECORD AND >> SO 5546 02:53:57.005 --> 02:54:01.003 THAT'S >> WHAT I KNEW AT THE 5547 02:54:01.003 --> 02:54:03.017 TIME. SO IN THE IN MR. MOYA'S 5548 02:54:03.017 --> 02:54:06.025 CONCLUSIONS HERE AND AGAIN AND 5549 02:54:06.025 --> 02:54:07.002 WE ONLY GOT IT 45 MINUTES 5550 02:54:07.002 --> 02:54:09.025 BEFORE THIS MEETING STARTED 5551 02:54:09.025 --> 02:54:10.022 THIS NEW INFORMATION 5552 02:54:10.022 --> 02:54:11.021 DEMONSTRATES THAT RELEVANT 5553 02:54:11.021 --> 02:54:12.007 INFORMATION WAS WITHHELD FROM 5554 02:54:12.007 --> 02:54:14.028 THE CITY ATTORNEY CITY AUDITOR 5555 02:54:14.028 --> 02:54:15.020 IN THEIR INVESTIGATION AND FROM 5556 02:54:15.020 --> 02:54:17.006 THE PERSONNEL INVESTIGATION AS 5557 02:54:17.006 --> 02:54:20.001 FAR AS YOU KNOW AGAIN, IS THAT 5558 02:54:20.001 --> 02:54:21.003 TRUE? >> AS FAR AS I KNOW IT'S 5559 02:54:21.003 --> 02:54:24.002 TRUE THAT THAT'S WHAT HE SAYS 5560 02:54:24.002 --> 02:54:26.022 AND APPARENTLY ACCORDING TO >> 5561 02:54:26.022 --> 02:54:27.026 MR. DOYLE MR. TO JERRY SILVA 5562 02:54:27.026 --> 02:54:30.028 THEY DID NOT HAVE IT. I 5563 02:54:30.028 --> 02:54:31.006 ACTUALLY THOUGHT THEY DID >> 5564 02:54:31.006 --> 02:54:33.007 BUT THE PERSONNEL HAD IT. MR.. 5565 02:54:33.007 --> 02:54:35.014 MR. BURGESS YOU KNOW, >> 5566 02:54:35.014 --> 02:54:36.017 BECAUSE I PERSONALLY DELIVERED 5567 02:54:36.017 --> 02:54:37.029 IT AND CLEARLY I SHOULD HAVE 5568 02:54:37.029 --> 02:54:38.014 DELIVERED IT TO MR. DOYLE MR. 5569 02:54:38.014 --> 02:54:40.012 SILVA RATHER THAN RELY ON IT 5570 02:54:40.012 --> 02:54:42.014 COMING THROUGH VONNEGUT'S 5571 02:54:42.014 --> 02:54:44.015 EFFORTS >> AND THEN THE NEXT 5572 02:54:44.015 --> 02:54:47.005 ONE OF COURSE IS THE 5573 02:54:47.005 --> 02:54:48.009 NON-DISCLOSURE AND AGAIN THESE 5574 02:54:48.009 --> 02:54:49.009 ARE I THINK THESE ARE VERY 5575 02:54:49.009 --> 02:54:50.007 SERIOUS CHARGES THAT THAT IS 5576 02:54:50.007 --> 02:54:52.024 BEING MADE HERE. THE 5577 02:54:52.024 --> 02:54:52.028 NONDISCLOSURE OF THE EMAILS 5578 02:54:52.028 --> 02:54:53.015 CALL CALLS INTO QUESTION THE 5579 02:54:53.015 --> 02:54:55.026 EXTENT TO WHICH CITY MANAGER'S 5580 02:54:55.026 --> 02:54:56.024 OFFICE WAS AWARE OF THE 5581 02:54:56.024 --> 02:54:57.015 PROBLEMS WITH THE CONVERGENT 5582 02:54:57.015 --> 02:54:59.023 WORK RFP BEFORE THE JUNE 22ND 5583 02:54:59.023 --> 02:55:01.021 COUNCIL SESSION IN THE 5584 02:55:01.021 --> 02:55:02.009 DISCLOSURE OF THE DOYLE EMAIL 5585 02:55:02.009 --> 02:55:05.015 AND WHAT I THINK IS INDICATED 5586 02:55:05.015 --> 02:55:07.005 IN THE EMAIL ITSELF OFTENTIMES 5587 02:55:07.005 --> 02:55:12.003 >> AS A CITY MANAGER I HAVE 5588 02:55:12.003 --> 02:55:14.009 HALLWAY CONVERSATIONS WITH 5589 02:55:14.009 --> 02:55:15.005 PEOPLE AND I WAS NOT DEEPLY 5590 02:55:15.005 --> 02:55:17.002 INVOLVED IN THE CONVERGED 5591 02:55:17.002 --> 02:55:18.006 NETWORK PROJECT BUT I WAS 5592 02:55:18.006 --> 02:55:19.005 INVOLVED IN OTHER ASPECTS 5593 02:55:19.005 --> 02:55:20.022 OF THE CITY HALL PROJECT AND 5594 02:55:20.022 --> 02:55:22.029 BICKERING BETWEEN BRIAN AND AS 5595 02:55:22.029 --> 02:55:25.024 IT WERE WAS FREQUENT. RIGHT. 5596 02:55:25.024 --> 02:55:27.013 AND SO YOU KNOW, SHE WAS SAYING 5597 02:55:27.013 --> 02:55:29.026 SHE WAS HAVING SOME ISSUES THAT 5598 02:55:29.026 --> 02:55:30.017 THEY WERE WORKING THEIR WAY >> 5599 02:55:30.017 --> 02:55:31.021 THROUGH. I SAID WELL SEND 5600 02:55:31.021 --> 02:55:32.016 ME WHAT THEY ARE AND WHAT YOUR 5601 02:55:32.016 --> 02:55:33.013 TAKE IS ON I RECEIVE THOSE I 5602 02:55:33.013 --> 02:55:36.008 CALL HER BACK AND I SAID SO 5603 02:55:36.008 --> 02:55:39.016 WHERE ARE WE NOW WORKED THEM 5604 02:55:39.016 --> 02:55:40.008 ALL OUT WITH WITH RICK AND 5605 02:55:40.008 --> 02:55:42.023 WE'RE WORKING WELL TOGETHER NOW 5606 02:55:42.023 --> 02:55:43.026 ETC. >> I DIDN'T SEE ANY >> 5607 02:55:43.026 --> 02:55:45.017 REASON TO GO RUN TO THE CITY 5608 02:55:45.017 --> 02:55:47.006 MANAGER AND REPORT ON YET AGAIN 5609 02:55:47.006 --> 02:55:49.003 ANOTHER ENCOUNTER BETWEEN THE 5610 02:55:49.003 --> 02:55:51.002 TWO THAT SEEM TO HAVE WORKED 5611 02:55:51.002 --> 02:55:53.003 ITS WAY OUT AND AT THAT POINT 5612 02:55:53.003 --> 02:55:55.014 ON PEOPLE WERE APPEARED TO BE 5613 02:55:55.014 --> 02:55:56.000 PLAYING WELL AND NOBODY CAME 5614 02:55:56.000 --> 02:55:58.028 BACK TO ME WITH IT. WE AREN'T 5615 02:55:58.028 --> 02:55:59.016 SO I THOUGHT THAT THE ISSUES 5616 02:55:59.016 --> 02:56:02.026 AND I DO THESE PROBABLY SEVERAL 5617 02:56:02.026 --> 02:56:04.012 TIMES A DAY SOMEBODY WILL COME 5618 02:56:04.012 --> 02:56:06.017 AND SAY I GOT THIS AND WHAT I'M 5619 02:56:06.017 --> 02:56:07.004 LOOKING FOR IS WHAT DO I NEED 5620 02:56:07.004 --> 02:56:09.002 TO DO TO GET THE OVERALL >> 5621 02:56:09.002 --> 02:56:11.005 PRIORITIES ACHIEVED AND AND 5622 02:56:11.005 --> 02:56:14.004 THEN I SAVED >> IT IN THE EVENT 5623 02:56:14.004 --> 02:56:16.011 THAT IT MIGHT NEED TO COME UP 5624 02:56:16.011 --> 02:56:17.016 AND THE FACT THAT MR. >> MOYE 5625 02:56:17.016 --> 02:56:19.024 WHEN HE CALLED ME I WAS ABLE TO 5626 02:56:19.024 --> 02:56:20.000 GET IT FOR HIM BECAUSE I HAD 5627 02:56:20.000 --> 02:56:22.025 SAVED IT FOR THOSE OCCASIONS 5628 02:56:22.025 --> 02:56:23.028 WHEN IT WOULD BE NEEDED >> IN 5629 02:56:23.028 --> 02:56:25.008 IT IT WAS IT WAS SORT OF YOU 5630 02:56:25.008 --> 02:56:27.020 KNEW THIS THIS WAS AN EMAIL 5631 02:56:27.020 --> 02:56:28.011 THAT EVERYBODY EVERYBODY HAD 5632 02:56:28.011 --> 02:56:30.004 THAT YOU YOU HADN'T MADE THE 5633 02:56:30.004 --> 02:56:32.010 DECISION NOT TO DISCLOSE IT. 5634 02:56:32.010 --> 02:56:33.012 CORRECT. AND SO I GUESS THAT'S 5635 02:56:33.012 --> 02:56:35.018 I MEAN I DON'T KNOW IF IT >> 5636 02:56:35.018 --> 02:56:36.024 GOES BUT APPARENTLY DON'T KNOW 5637 02:56:36.024 --> 02:56:37.012 WHO IT GOES BACK TO. BUT YOU >> 5638 02:56:37.012 --> 02:56:39.021 ACKNOWLEDGED WHATEVER ERROR I 5639 02:56:39.021 --> 02:56:40.016 MAY HAVE DONE TO THAT BUT AS 5640 02:56:40.016 --> 02:56:41.013 FAR AS I KNOW THEY HAD THE THE 5641 02:56:41.013 --> 02:56:43.020 CONCERN THAT WE HAVE AND THIS 5642 02:56:43.020 --> 02:56:44.008 IS THE CITY AUDITOR CAN SPEAK 5643 02:56:44.008 --> 02:56:47.027 FOR HIMSELF IS THAT THE 5644 02:56:47.027 --> 02:56:48.003 DOCUMENTS THAT WERE PROVIDED TO 5645 02:56:48.003 --> 02:56:50.000 US WERE PROVIDED TO US BY MR. 5646 02:56:50.000 --> 02:56:52.005 SHIKATA AND MR. ROBERTS WHO 5647 02:56:52.005 --> 02:56:53.009 WENT THROUGH THE EMAILS THAT WE 5648 02:56:53.009 --> 02:56:54.020 WERE TOLD THAT MR. O'BRIEN AND 5649 02:56:54.020 --> 02:56:55.006 THIS GROUP TOO BUSY THEY COULD 5650 02:56:55.006 --> 02:56:58.014 NOT GET THE DOCUMENTS SO THAT 5651 02:56:58.014 --> 02:56:59.020 THEY THESE DOCUMENTS WOULD BE 5652 02:56:59.020 --> 02:57:00.011 FURNISHED TO US. SO THEY WENT 5653 02:57:00.011 --> 02:57:02.008 THROUGH THE MANAGER'S OFFICE 5654 02:57:02.008 --> 02:57:03.011 AND WERE GIVEN TO US. THIS 5655 02:57:03.011 --> 02:57:05.006 DOCUMENT DID APPEAR AND I THINK 5656 02:57:05.006 --> 02:57:07.018 THE COMMENT ABOUT IT NOT BEING 5657 02:57:07.018 --> 02:57:08.014 IN THE PERSONNEL REPORT 5658 02:57:08.014 --> 02:57:09.015 REFLECTS THE FACT THAT IT WAS 5659 02:57:09.015 --> 02:57:10.023 NOT REPORTED OUT IN THE 5660 02:57:10.023 --> 02:57:11.002 PERSONNEL REPORT THAT IT WAS IT 5661 02:57:11.002 --> 02:57:14.002 MAY HAVE BEEN OBTAINED IT'S 5662 02:57:14.002 --> 02:57:16.006 PART OF THE INVESTIGATION BUT 5663 02:57:16.006 --> 02:57:17.011 THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE'VE 5664 02:57:17.011 --> 02:57:18.002 HEARD OF IT. IT'S THE FIRST 5665 02:57:18.002 --> 02:57:19.005 TIME YOU'VE HEARD OF IT AND THE 5666 02:57:19.005 --> 02:57:20.013 ISSUE ALL HAS BEEN THERE'S BEEN 5667 02:57:20.013 --> 02:57:21.000 NO DISCLOSURE OR NO KNOWLEDGE 5668 02:57:21.000 --> 02:57:24.026 WITHIN THE CITY MANAGER'S 5669 02:57:24.026 --> 02:57:24.006 OFFICE AT THAT TIME AND THIS 5670 02:57:24.006 --> 02:57:28.027 DOCUMENT APPEARS TO RAISE A 5671 02:57:28.027 --> 02:57:30.003 CONTRARY CONCLUSION. I THINK 5672 02:57:30.003 --> 02:57:32.005 THAT'S WHAT MR. ROY'S REPORT 5673 02:57:32.005 --> 02:57:33.002 SHOWS AND THAT'S WHY IT'S 5674 02:57:33.002 --> 02:57:34.012 TROUBLING TO ME AND I KNOW IT'S 5675 02:57:34.012 --> 02:57:36.009 TROUBLING TO THE CITY AUDITOR 5676 02:57:36.009 --> 02:57:37.010 AS WELL BECAUSE WE DID NOT HAVE 5677 02:57:37.010 --> 02:57:38.026 THIS REPORT THE EMAIL >> THAT 5678 02:57:38.026 --> 02:57:42.010 MARK DESCRIBES I DON'T KNOW IF 5679 02:57:42.010 --> 02:57:44.029 THAT WAS CREATED BY VANJA 5680 02:57:44.029 --> 02:57:45.003 AT HIS REQUEST IF IT HAD BEEN 5681 02:57:45.003 --> 02:57:48.018 CREATED EARLIER IT READS AS HER 5682 02:57:48.018 --> 02:57:50.018 PLOT HER REPLY TO BRIAN DOYLE I 5683 02:57:50.018 --> 02:57:53.018 THINK IT'S PERFECTLY REASONABLE 5684 02:57:53.018 --> 02:57:54.023 WHEN I SAW IT DURING THE COURSE 5685 02:57:54.023 --> 02:57:55.012 OF THE INVESTIGATION I PRESUMED 5686 02:57:55.012 --> 02:57:57.021 THAT'S WHAT IT WAS. IT WAS HER 5687 02:57:57.021 --> 02:57:58.018 RESPONSE TO BRIAN DOYLE NOT 5688 02:57:58.018 --> 02:58:00.021 THAT IT HAD NEVER BEEN RECEIVED 5689 02:58:00.021 --> 02:58:02.014 BY CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. THE 5690 02:58:02.014 --> 02:58:04.012 CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE HAS THE 5691 02:58:04.012 --> 02:58:06.009 PERSON WHO AUTHORED THE IN THE 5692 02:58:06.009 --> 02:58:08.014 FIRST PLACE HAD THE INTERACTION 5693 02:58:08.014 --> 02:58:10.023 AND HAD THE AND RICK THE 5694 02:58:10.023 --> 02:58:12.022 CONVERSATION WITH ROGER TO WORK 5695 02:58:12.022 --> 02:58:14.026 ON BRIAN'S ISSUES AND RICK AND 5696 02:58:14.026 --> 02:58:16.003 I HAD THE CONVERSATION THAT 5697 02:58:16.003 --> 02:58:18.022 THEY HAD RESOLVED THOSE ISSUES 5698 02:58:18.022 --> 02:58:19.018 I DON'T THINK IT GOES TO A 5699 02:58:19.018 --> 02:58:20.022 QUESTION OF DISCLOSURE IN 5700 02:58:20.022 --> 02:58:21.000 MY OFFICE AT ALL. AND THEN >> 5701 02:58:21.000 --> 02:58:25.004 MR. MOYE FOR FOR YOU I DAVID 5702 02:58:25.004 --> 02:58:28.025 SAID EARLIER THAT IF YOU AT THE 5703 02:58:28.025 --> 02:58:31.000 RESPONSES THAT VANJA GAVE TO 5704 02:58:31.000 --> 02:58:36.003 BRIAN DOYLE IN THE EMAIL THAT 5705 02:58:36.003 --> 02:58:38.006 IN MANY WAYS THEY COULD BE 5706 02:58:38.006 --> 02:58:40.021 CONSIDERED THE SAME RESPONSES 5707 02:58:40.021 --> 02:58:41.015 VANJA WOULD HAVE GIVEN RICK 5708 02:58:41.015 --> 02:58:43.016 DOYLE WHEN THEY HAD THE 5709 02:58:43.016 --> 02:58:44.014 TELEPHONE CONVERSATION WHERE 5710 02:58:44.014 --> 02:58:47.006 RICK ASKED HER THOSE KINDS 5711 02:58:47.006 --> 02:58:49.004 OF QUESTIONS AND SHE GIVES THE 5712 02:58:49.004 --> 02:58:50.027 ANSWER AND AS YOU HAD SAID WELL 5713 02:58:50.027 --> 02:58:51.021 THAT'S SORT OF WHEN YOU'RE 5714 02:58:51.021 --> 02:58:52.001 TALKING TO THE TWO ANOTHER 5715 02:58:52.001 --> 02:58:54.006 YOU'VE GOT TO SORT OF HAVE TO 5716 02:58:54.006 --> 02:58:55.026 TAKE AS TRUTH WHAT A COLLEAGUE 5717 02:58:55.026 --> 02:58:57.000 OF YOURS SAYS WHAT HAPPENED. 5718 02:58:57.000 --> 02:58:59.029 AND SO THERE YOU PUT IT TO 5719 02:58:59.029 --> 02:58:59.029 REST. AND I WAS WONDERING IS IF 5720 02:58:59.029 --> 02:59:01.005 YOU IF YOU WERE MR. LINDER AND 5721 02:59:01.005 --> 02:59:04.023 YOU SAW THAT THE RESPONSES THAT 5722 02:59:04.023 --> 02:59:06.004 THAT VONDRA PUT IN THE EMAIL 5723 02:59:06.004 --> 02:59:08.019 EMBEDDED IN THE EMAIL, DO YOU 5724 02:59:08.019 --> 02:59:09.003 THINK WERE THE SAME TYPE 5725 02:59:09.003 --> 02:59:11.015 OF ANSWERS THAT SHE GAVE TO MR. 5726 02:59:11.015 --> 02:59:13.020 DOYLE AND WITH DOYLE YOU SAID 5727 02:59:13.020 --> 02:59:15.002 OKAY, WELL WE CAN SORT 5728 02:59:15.002 --> 02:59:17.012 OF EXCUSE HIM BUT I'M WONDERING 5729 02:59:17.012 --> 02:59:19.008 WHY YOU DIDN'T THINK THAT WHERE 5730 02:59:19.008 --> 02:59:21.015 THE ANSWER IS SO DIFFERENT THAT 5731 02:59:21.015 --> 02:59:22.015 THAT IT SHOULD HAVE SET OFF >> 5732 02:59:22.015 --> 02:59:23.018 ALARMS WITH MR. LINDER >> YOU 5733 02:59:23.018 --> 02:59:26.002 KNOW IT'S NOT A COUNCILMEMBER 5734 02:59:26.002 --> 02:59:28.003 AREA. IT'S NOT SO MUCH YOU KNOW 5735 02:59:28.003 --> 02:59:29.007 THE QUESTION YOU KNOW THE 5736 02:59:29.007 --> 02:59:30.013 ANSWERS IN AND WHAT THEY MEANT 5737 02:59:30.013 --> 02:59:32.014 . THE ISSUE THAT >> STRUCK OUR 5738 02:59:32.014 --> 02:59:36.015 ATTENTION REGARDING THESE 5739 02:59:36.015 --> 02:59:37.027 EMAILS WAS, THE DISCLOSURE 5740 02:59:37.027 --> 02:59:38.016 ISSUE AND NOT THE QUESTION 5741 02:59:38.016 --> 02:59:41.008 OF YOU KNOW, DID SOMEONE DO 5742 02:59:41.008 --> 02:59:43.011 WHAT THEY SHOULD HAVE DONE WITH 5743 02:59:43.011 --> 02:59:44.015 RESPECT TO THE CONVERGED 5744 02:59:44.015 --> 02:59:46.005 NETWORK RFP? YOU KNOW, I TEND 5745 02:59:46.005 --> 02:59:49.010 TO AGREE. YOU KNOW, I YOU KNOW, 5746 02:59:49.010 --> 02:59:52.014 I HAVEN'T GONE THROUGH THERE IN 5747 02:59:52.014 --> 02:59:54.026 SORT OF COMPARED LINE BY LINE 5748 02:59:54.026 --> 02:59:55.004 IN TERMS OF WHAT SHE SAYS THERE 5749 02:59:55.004 --> 02:59:57.023 IN IN ALL THE OTHER STATEMENTS 5750 02:59:57.023 --> 02:59:58.004 YOU MADE TO THE OTHER FOLKS. 5751 02:59:58.004 --> 03:00:00.009 BUT I WOULD AGREE THAT, YOU 5752 03:00:00.009 --> 03:00:01.023 KNOW, EVEN ASSUMING THAT YES, 5753 03:00:01.023 --> 03:00:03.009 THAT SETTLED ALL THE ISSUES, 5754 03:00:03.009 --> 03:00:05.028 THERE'S NOTHING RAISED BY THAT. 5755 03:00:05.028 --> 03:00:06.025 THAT'S FINE AND WE DON'T MAKE 5756 03:00:06.025 --> 03:00:08.009 ANY COMMENT OR ANY CONCLUSION 5757 03:00:08.009 --> 03:00:10.016 AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THAT WAS 5758 03:00:10.016 --> 03:00:11.023 APPROPRIATE INAPPROPRIATE IN 5759 03:00:11.023 --> 03:00:12.028 THE CIRCUMSTANCE. THE ONLY 5760 03:00:12.028 --> 03:00:13.010 ISSUE THAT'S RAISED FOR US IS 5761 03:00:13.010 --> 03:00:15.026 THE QUESTION OF DOES >> THIS 5762 03:00:15.026 --> 03:00:17.008 GO TO THE QUALITY >> OF THE 5763 03:00:17.008 --> 03:00:19.023 EARLIER INVESTIGATIONS OR AN 5764 03:00:19.023 --> 03:00:21.003 ISSUE OF DISCLOSURE IN THE 5765 03:00:21.003 --> 03:00:23.019 COURSE OF THE OTHER 5766 03:00:23.019 --> 03:00:23.006 INVESTIGATIONS WHICH WAS, YOU 5767 03:00:23.006 --> 03:00:25.004 KNOW, THE VERY FIRST, YOU KNOW, 5768 03:00:25.004 --> 03:00:28.026 CHARGING POINT OF OUR OF OUR 5769 03:00:28.026 --> 03:00:29.008 INVESTIGATIVE WORK, YOU KNOW, 5770 03:00:29.008 --> 03:00:31.020 FROM THE COUNCIL AND THAT WAS 5771 03:00:31.020 --> 03:00:32.008 TO LOOK AT THE OTHER 5772 03:00:32.008 --> 03:00:33.013 INVESTIGATION TO DETERMINE DO 5773 03:00:33.013 --> 03:00:34.005 THEY COVER THE THINGS THEY, YOU 5774 03:00:34.005 --> 03:00:36.029 KNOW, PURPORTED TO COVER AND 5775 03:00:36.029 --> 03:00:37.025 THE FACT THAT THIS STUFF WAS 5776 03:00:37.025 --> 03:00:39.008 THERE THAT I FOR THE MOST PART 5777 03:00:39.008 --> 03:00:42.016 WAS THE FIRST ONE TO HAVE SEEN 5778 03:00:42.016 --> 03:00:43.024 IT BEFORE THE CITY ATTORNEY 5779 03:00:43.024 --> 03:00:44.009 BEFORE CITY AUDITOR IN IN SOME 5780 03:00:44.009 --> 03:00:47.015 RESPECTS B WITH RESPECT TO THE 5781 03:00:47.015 --> 03:00:49.021 OTHER TWO BEFORE THE EMPLOYEE 5782 03:00:49.021 --> 03:00:53.025 RELATIONS >> MANAGER I 5783 03:00:53.025 --> 03:00:55.024 MEAN JUST BY WAY OF EXAMPLE 5784 03:00:55.024 --> 03:00:56.026 TODAY I HAVE YOU KNOW I JUST 5785 03:00:56.026 --> 03:00:58.019 GOT TODAY JUST BEFORE THE 5786 03:00:58.019 --> 03:00:59.025 HEARING A COPY OF THE VONDRA 5787 03:00:59.025 --> 03:01:01.027 RICH EMAIL ED SHIKATA WHICH THE 5788 03:01:01.027 --> 03:01:05.014 CITY >> ATTORNEY I DON'T THINK 5789 03:01:05.014 --> 03:01:07.008 HAS EVER SEEN THE CITY AUDITOR 5790 03:01:07.008 --> 03:01:09.026 I'M CERTAIN IS NEVER SEEN AND 5791 03:01:09.026 --> 03:01:10.029 THAT'S THE ISSUE THAT WE'RE 5792 03:01:10.029 --> 03:01:11.024 REPORTING ON IN THIS 5793 03:01:11.024 --> 03:01:12.020 SUPPLEMENTAL. IT'S NOT SO MUCH 5794 03:01:12.020 --> 03:01:14.012 A QUESTION OF WELL SHOULD MARK 5795 03:01:14.012 --> 03:01:16.023 LINDER HAVE DONE THIS, THAT OR 5796 03:01:16.023 --> 03:01:17.024 THAT THE OTHER IN RESPONSE TO 5797 03:01:17.024 --> 03:01:19.004 WHAT VONDRA WAS TELLING HIM? 5798 03:01:19.004 --> 03:01:22.029 YOU KNOW, IT'S SEEM THAT THAT 5799 03:01:22.029 --> 03:01:23.025 WAS NOT THAT WAS SOMETHING OF A 5800 03:01:23.025 --> 03:01:25.003 MOOT POINT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE 5801 03:01:25.003 --> 03:01:27.024 YOU KNOW, I BELIEVE THAT 5802 03:01:27.024 --> 03:01:27.008 RESPONSE IS YOU KNOW, IT'S THE 5803 03:01:27.008 --> 03:01:29.010 SAME ISSUE IN TERMS OF HOW SHE 5804 03:01:29.010 --> 03:01:30.022 RESPONDED TO OTHERS BUT IT'S >> 5805 03:01:30.022 --> 03:01:31.027 THE SAME ISSUE WHY THE BRIAN 5806 03:01:31.027 --> 03:01:33.015 DOYLE EMAIL TO RICK DOYLE WAS 5807 03:01:33.015 --> 03:01:35.026 NOT FORWARDED TO ME BY THE CITY 5808 03:01:35.026 --> 03:01:36.000 ATTORNEY. SO >> AGAIN, I'M 5809 03:01:36.000 --> 03:01:40.004 SORRY IT'S A SIMILAR 5810 03:01:40.004 --> 03:01:41.026 COMMUNICATION PROBLEM. WHY 5811 03:01:41.026 --> 03:01:42.018 BRIAN'S CONCERNS THAT WERE SENT 5812 03:01:42.018 --> 03:01:44.003 BY EMAIL TO RICK WEREN'T 5813 03:01:44.003 --> 03:01:46.027 FORWARDED TO ME FOR ACTION BUT 5814 03:01:46.027 --> 03:01:47.009 RATHER YIELDED A CONVERSATION 5815 03:01:47.009 --> 03:01:49.000 BETWEEN RICK AND VANJA THAT 5816 03:01:49.000 --> 03:01:51.022 COMMUNICATION WASN'T SHARED. SO 5817 03:01:51.022 --> 03:01:52.023 I THINK RICK AND I IN PREVIOUS 5818 03:01:52.023 --> 03:01:53.014 REPORTS HAVE INDICATED WE HAD A 5819 03:01:53.014 --> 03:01:55.016 GOOD DEAL OF WORK TO DO IN 5820 03:01:55.016 --> 03:01:56.023 TERMS OF BETWEEN OUR OFFICES 5821 03:01:56.023 --> 03:01:58.004 AND I THINK WE PUT SYSTEMS IN 5822 03:01:58.004 --> 03:02:00.018 PLACE >> TO CORRECT THAT. I >> 5823 03:02:00.018 --> 03:02:02.000 WOULD NOT DISAGREE WITH THAT IN 5824 03:02:02.000 --> 03:02:04.004 THAT YOU KNOW, THAT'S PART 5825 03:02:04.004 --> 03:02:06.014 OF WHAT HAS TO BE DETERMINED IN 5826 03:02:06.014 --> 03:02:07.008 TERMS OF HOW THE COUNCIL VIEWS 5827 03:02:07.008 --> 03:02:10.013 WHAT SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED WITH 5828 03:02:10.013 --> 03:02:11.017 REGARD TO THESE FACTS THAT 5829 03:02:11.017 --> 03:02:12.011 WE'VE REPORTED ON. YOU KNOW, 5830 03:02:12.011 --> 03:02:14.003 AGAIN, WE'RE RELUCTANT TO SORT 5831 03:02:14.003 --> 03:02:16.022 OF SUBSTITUTE OUR JUDGMENT FOR 5832 03:02:16.022 --> 03:02:17.002 HOW THESE RELATIONSHIPS SHOULD 5833 03:02:17.002 --> 03:02:19.028 WORK BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT OUR 5834 03:02:19.028 --> 03:02:19.008 RELATIONSHIPS >> SO THOSE ARE 5835 03:02:19.008 --> 03:02:23.014 ALL MY QUESTIONS BUT WE'RE >> 5836 03:02:23.014 --> 03:02:26.026 I'M A LITTLE BIT LEERY 5837 03:02:26.026 --> 03:02:27.002 OF ENGAGING IN A DEBATE LIKE 5838 03:02:27.002 --> 03:02:29.018 THIS, BUT I NEED MAKE THE POINT 5839 03:02:29.018 --> 03:02:30.022 THAT WHEN I IT THE THE REPORT 5840 03:02:30.022 --> 03:02:35.022 THAT THE CITY AUDITOR AND THE 5841 03:02:35.022 --> 03:02:36.026 CITY ATTORNEY PREPARED AND THE 5842 03:02:36.026 --> 03:02:38.027 REPORT THE PERSONNEL OFFICIAL 5843 03:02:38.027 --> 03:02:41.003 FROM MR. GARZA CONCLUDED THAT 5844 03:02:41.003 --> 03:02:44.013 WAS NO PRIOR KNOWLEDGE IN THE 5845 03:02:44.013 --> 03:02:45.016 CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE. THERE 5846 03:02:45.016 --> 03:02:46.015 WAS SOME SUGGESTION THAT A 5847 03:02:46.015 --> 03:02:47.001 MEETING THAT BRIAN DOYLE 5848 03:02:47.001 --> 03:02:49.011 VANDEGRIFT AND JIM ALDERSON 5849 03:02:49.011 --> 03:02:50.001 WERE AT WAS IT AND IT WAS SORT 5850 03:02:50.001 --> 03:02:53.029 OF ALLUDED TO BUT THERE WAS 5851 03:02:53.029 --> 03:02:53.004 REALLY NOTHING SOLID. THERE WAS 5852 03:02:53.004 --> 03:02:55.024 NOTHING THERE. I THINK WHEN MR. 5853 03:02:55.024 --> 03:02:56.006 MOYES REPORT A SUPPLEMENTAL 5854 03:02:56.006 --> 03:02:58.021 REPORT TODAY SHOWS IS THAT 5855 03:02:58.021 --> 03:02:59.029 THERE WAS SOME INDICATION THAT 5856 03:02:59.029 --> 03:03:01.000 WHETHER IT'S THE MAY 14TH 5857 03:03:01.000 --> 03:03:03.014 MEETING WITH DEPENDS ON WHOSE 5858 03:03:03.014 --> 03:03:04.022 SIDE OF THE STORY YOU BELIEVE I 5859 03:03:04.022 --> 03:03:05.000 UNDERSTOOD OR THIS MAY 21ST 5860 03:03:05.000 --> 03:03:08.012 EMAIL THAT THERE WAS SOME PRIOR 5861 03:03:08.012 --> 03:03:09.013 KNOWLEDGE OF THAT THERE WERE 5862 03:03:09.013 --> 03:03:11.017 ISSUES AND THAT'S THAT'S BEING 5863 03:03:11.017 --> 03:03:13.027 SAID IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH 5864 03:03:13.027 --> 03:03:14.010 THE SUBSTANCE OF THE 5865 03:03:14.010 --> 03:03:16.029 CONVERSATION I THINK MR. 5866 03:03:16.029 --> 03:03:17.002 LENDER'S CONVERSATION WITH 5867 03:03:17.002 --> 03:03:19.008 ROGERS IS NO DIFFERENT THAN 5868 03:03:19.008 --> 03:03:20.020 MINE IT SOUNDS LIKE. BUT THE 5869 03:03:20.020 --> 03:03:21.023 FACT IS IS THAT NONE OF THIS 5870 03:03:21.023 --> 03:03:22.024 HAS REALLY COME TO ANYBODY'S 5871 03:03:22.024 --> 03:03:23.011 ATTENTION UNTIL TODAY. OKAY. I 5872 03:03:23.011 --> 03:03:32.012 THINK THE MORE QUESTIONS WE 5873 03:03:32.012 --> 03:03:33.024 ASKED TODAY LED US TO MORE 5874 03:03:33.024 --> 03:03:36.015 QUESTIONS THAT ARE GOING TO BE 5875 03:03:36.015 --> 03:03:37.012 ASKED IN THE NEXT COUPLE 5876 03:03:37.012 --> 03:03:38.019 OF WEEKS. I THINK THAT'S THE 5877 03:03:38.019 --> 03:03:39.000 CONCLUSION OF TODAY'S DAY'S 5878 03:03:39.000 --> 03:03:42.018 PRESENTATION. BUT AGAIN, MR.. I 5879 03:03:42.018 --> 03:03:43.002 APPRECIATE YOU AND YOUR YOUR 5880 03:03:43.002 --> 03:03:45.016 COLLEAGUES PRESENTATION AND 5881 03:03:45.016 --> 03:03:46.012 OTHERS WHO HAVE COME FORWARD TO 5882 03:03:46.012 --> 03:03:48.005 ANSWER COUNCIL QUESTIONS >> 5883 03:03:48.005 --> 03:03:50.026 WILL BE DEFERRING ANY FURTHER 5884 03:03:50.026 --> 03:03:52.003 DISCUSSION AND ACTION ON THIS 5885 03:03:52.003 --> 03:03:54.019 ITEM UNTIL OUR COUNCIL MEETING 5886 03:03:54.019 --> 03:03:55.012 IN TWO WEEKS. I'M GOING TO ASK 5887 03:03:55.012 --> 03:03:57.006 MR. MOORE, YOU AND YOUR 5888 03:03:57.006 --> 03:03:58.009 COLLEAGUES TO BE BACK AT THAT 5889 03:03:58.009 --> 03:03:59.008 TIME IF POSSIBLE AND IF COUNCIL 5890 03:03:59.008 --> 03:04:03.029 MEMBERS DO HAVE QUESTIONS I 5891 03:04:03.029 --> 03:04:04.008 WILL ASK AND REQUEST YOU FOLLOW 5892 03:04:04.008 --> 03:04:07.023 THE CITY ATTORNEY'S ADVICE ON 5893 03:04:07.023 --> 03:04:08.029 HOW TO PROCEED IN THAT 5894 03:04:08.029 --> 03:04:09.023 DIRECTION AND WE >> WILL NOW 5895 03:04:09.023 --> 03:04:12.008 MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM BEFORE 5896 03:04:12.008 --> 03:04:16.029 WE MOVE TO ITEM >> ROSS >> CAN 5897 03:04:16.029 --> 03:04:21.008 CAN YOU CAN YOU WAIT UNTIL TWO 5898 03:04:21.008 --> 03:04:23.000 WEEKS? IS THAT RIGHT? WE'RE 5899 03:04:23.000 --> 03:04:25.027 GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO TALK 5900 03:04:25.027 --> 03:04:25.008 ABOUT IT AGAIN. TWO IS >> NOT 5901 03:04:25.008 --> 03:04:27.003 NECESSARILY DO IT NOW. ALL 5902 03:04:27.003 --> 03:04:29.014 RIGHT. GO AHEAD. I'M >> SORRY 5903 03:04:29.014 --> 03:04:33.021 MR. MAYOR. I MIGHT FORGET IN 5904 03:04:33.021 --> 03:04:35.025 TWO WEEKS WHAT I'M GOING TO SAY 5905 03:04:35.025 --> 03:04:36.022 NOW. BUT NONETHELESS WHAT I 5906 03:04:36.022 --> 03:04:38.026 THINK WE'RE DOING IS LOOKING >> 5907 03:04:38.026 --> 03:04:39.027 FOR FINGERPRINTS AND SOME SORT 5908 03:04:39.027 --> 03:04:41.029 OF DNA HERE >> THAT THIS THING 5909 03:04:41.029 --> 03:04:43.002 IS UNTOUCHABLE. I THINK THAT 5910 03:04:43.002 --> 03:04:46.029 WHAT MR. MARTINEZ SAID IN THESE 5911 03:04:46.029 --> 03:04:47.020 CONCLUSIONS IS QUITE UP HERE 5912 03:04:47.020 --> 03:04:49.022 SPEAKING AT THIS PODIUM THAT 5913 03:04:49.022 --> 03:04:51.005 THERE WAS AN ATMOSPHERE THAT 5914 03:04:51.005 --> 03:04:53.023 BUILD UP AROUND HERE. WHAT AN 5915 03:04:53.023 --> 03:04:55.003 ATTITUDE WHAT HAPPENED HERE 5916 03:04:55.003 --> 03:04:58.018 THAT MAYBE PEOPLE DIDN'T LOOK 5917 03:04:58.018 --> 03:04:59.005 INTO IT? WELL, IT'S ALL RIGHT. 5918 03:04:59.005 --> 03:05:01.013 IT'LL BE ALL RIGHT AND NOT ALL 5919 03:05:01.013 --> 03:05:02.012 RIGHT. AND THEN THE ASSOCIATION 5920 03:05:02.012 --> 03:05:04.011 THAT WE HAVE WITH THESE 5921 03:05:04.011 --> 03:05:05.022 CORPORATIONS I SAID BEFORE 5922 03:05:05.022 --> 03:05:07.001 FORGIVE ME, MR. MAYOR, THIS IS 5923 03:05:07.001 --> 03:05:09.014 NOT A VERY GOOD NEW YEAR'S 5924 03:05:09.014 --> 03:05:12.000 COMMENT TO MAKE BUT WHEN >> YOU 5925 03:05:12.000 --> 03:05:15.016 ACCEPT GIFTS FROM DIFFERENT >> 5926 03:05:15.016 --> 03:05:16.000 COMPANIES THAT ASSOCIATE WITH 5927 03:05:16.000 --> 03:05:18.027 THE CITY THAT THEY ASSOCIATE 5928 03:05:18.027 --> 03:05:19.010 WITH THE CITY, WELL THERE IS 5929 03:05:19.010 --> 03:05:21.026 SOME INDICATION AND THERE'S 5930 03:05:21.026 --> 03:05:22.010 NOTHING WRONG WITH IT BUT 5931 03:05:22.010 --> 03:05:24.016 NONETHELESS THERE'S AN 5932 03:05:24.016 --> 03:05:25.000 ATMOSPHERE THAT DOES BUILD >> 5933 03:05:25.000 --> 03:05:27.006 UP AND THIS FILTERS DOWN TO THE 5934 03:05:27.006 --> 03:05:29.023 LOWER LEVEL PEOPLE AND THIS IS 5935 03:05:29.023 --> 03:05:31.026 WHAT HAPPENS. AND LIKE I SAID 5936 03:05:31.026 --> 03:05:33.023 BEFORE, THERE'S NOTHING HERE 5937 03:05:33.023 --> 03:05:35.028 THAT'S TOUCHABLE. SO WE HAVE TO 5938 03:05:35.028 --> 03:05:37.009 LOOK AT OURSELVES AND ASK 5939 03:05:37.009 --> 03:05:39.011 OURSELVES >> IN OUR OWN 5940 03:05:39.011 --> 03:05:40.002 CONSCIENCE >> WHAT HAPPENED 5941 03:05:40.002 --> 03:05:42.011 HERE AND THE ATMOSPHERE HOW CAN 5942 03:05:42.011 --> 03:05:44.006 WE IT I DON'T KNOW YOU CAN 5943 03:05:44.006 --> 03:05:46.001 APPOINT A BLUE RIBBON COMMITTEE 5944 03:05:46.001 --> 03:05:48.009 TO THIS OR SOME OTHER 5945 03:05:48.009 --> 03:05:49.013 COMMITTEES TO THIS AND YET IN 5946 03:05:49.013 --> 03:05:51.011 PEOPLE'S MIND WE DON'T KNOW HOW 5947 03:05:51.011 --> 03:05:53.023 THEY'RE GOING TO WORK. SO I 5948 03:05:53.023 --> 03:05:54.003 THINK THAT'S A THAT'S I THINK 5949 03:05:54.003 --> 03:05:56.027 TOO THAT HAS TO BE CONSIDERED 5950 03:05:56.027 --> 03:05:57.009 AND AGAIN, I'M A CUT SHORT AS 5951 03:05:57.009 --> 03:05:59.023 FAR AS FAST AS I CAN AND THANK 5952 03:05:59.023 --> 03:06:00.004 >> YOU VERY MUCH, MR. MAYOR. 5953 03:06:00.004 --> 03:06:02.015 OKAY. YOU KNOW ROSS, I DON'T 5954 03:06:02.015 --> 03:06:04.015 NORMALLY DISAGREE WITH YOU WHEN 5955 03:06:04.015 --> 03:06:05.013 YOU COME TO THE MICROPHONE BUT 5956 03:06:05.013 --> 03:06:06.015 I COULDN'T DISAGREE WITH YOU 5957 03:06:06.015 --> 03:06:07.011 ONE MORE THAN 100% SO WE >> CAN 5958 03:06:07.011 --> 03:06:11.002 JUST DEBATE LATER ON. BUT I 5959 03:06:11.002 --> 03:06:13.008 DON'T THINK I THINK IF ANYTHING 5960 03:06:13.008 --> 03:06:14.010 THE REPORT SAYS IT WASN'T AN 5961 03:06:14.010 --> 03:06:15.011 ATMOSPHERE AS SOME INDIVIDUALS 5962 03:06:15.011 --> 03:06:17.011 THAT YOU KNOW, MADE SOME 5963 03:06:17.011 --> 03:06:19.016 DECISIONS THAT ARE PROBABLY 5964 03:06:19.016 --> 03:06:20.020 INAPPROPRIATE. BUT WE'LL 5965 03:06:20.020 --> 03:06:21.016 DISCUSS THAT IN TWO WEEKS. 5966 03:06:21.016 --> 03:06:24.005 WELL, NOW BEFORE WE MOVE TO 5967 03:06:24.005 --> 03:06:26.021 ITEM 4.3, COUNCILMEMBER CHAVEZ 5968 03:06:26.021 --> 03:06:29.023 WANTED TO BE RECOGNIZED ON 5969 03:06:29.023 --> 03:06:30.027 ANOTHER CITY. >> YES. I WANTED 5970 03:06:30.027 --> 03:06:32.026 TO ASK MY COLLEAGUE'S 5971 03:06:32.026 --> 03:06:33.015 INDULGENCE THAT WE HAVE AN ITEM 5972 03:06:33.015 --> 03:06:35.003 9.1 WHICH IS THE HIGH RISE FIRE 5973 03:06:35.003 --> 03:06:38.009 ORDINANCE COMING BEFORE US 5974 03:06:38.009 --> 03:06:40.021 TODAY AND BECAUSE I WANT TO BE 5975 03:06:40.021 --> 03:06:41.025 ABLE TO GIVE TIME AND ATTENTION 5976 03:06:41.025 --> 03:06:42.028 TO SAN JOSE MEDICAL CENTER AND 5977 03:06:42.028 --> 03:06:43.021 I DO THINK THERE WILL BE 5978 03:06:43.021 --> 03:06:44.021 QUESTIONS AROUND THE THE HIGH 5979 03:06:44.021 --> 03:06:46.021 RISE ORDINANCE I'D LIKE TO 5980 03:06:46.021 --> 03:06:47.015 REQUEST A DEFERRAL OF THAT ITEM 5981 03:06:47.015 --> 03:06:49.029 FOR ONE WEEK SO THAT PEOPLE 5982 03:06:49.029 --> 03:06:50.006 HAVE TIME TO DIG IN AND ASK 5983 03:06:50.006 --> 03:06:52.021 QUESTIONS >> THAT WOULD BE TO 5984 03:06:52.021 --> 03:06:53.002 OUR NEXT COUNCIL TWO WEEKS FROM 5985 03:06:53.002 --> 03:06:55.021 TODAY. I'M SO I APOLOGIZE TO 5986 03:06:55.021 --> 03:06:56.020 OUR NEXT COUNCIL MEETING AND 5987 03:06:56.020 --> 03:06:57.021 THAT WOULD BE A MOTION MOTION 5988 03:06:57.021 --> 03:06:59.005 SECOND, IS THERE ANY DISSENT ON 5989 03:06:59.005 --> 03:07:01.029 THAT MOTION? RIGHT. NO DISSENT 5990 03:07:01.029 --> 03:07:02.015 THAT CARRIES AND WE LOOK 5991 03:07:02.015 --> 03:07:05.019 FORWARD TO DISCUSSING THAT IN 5992 03:07:05.019 --> 03:07:06.014 TWO WEEKS. YES, SIR. 5993 03:07:06.014 --> 03:07:09.005 CUSTOMER WEEMS DO WE HAVE >> TO 5994 03:07:09.005 --> 03:07:15.002 TAKE DO WE HAVE TO TAKE A 5995 03:07:15.002 --> 03:07:16.021 MOTION ON ITEM 3.4? I DON'T 5996 03:07:16.021 --> 03:07:17.017 BELIEVE SO. MOTION TO DEFER >> 5997 03:07:17.017 --> 03:07:27.009 YOU WANT TO MOTION DEFER. OKAY. 5998 03:07:27.009 --> 03:07:30.008 IS THERE A MOTION FOR ITEM 3.4 5999 03:07:30.008 --> 03:07:33.009 SECOND >> ANY, ANY DISSENT ON 6000 03:07:33.009 --> 03:07:35.000 THE MOTION THAT PASSES 6001 03:07:35.000 --> 03:07:38.018 UNANIMOUSLY? ALL >> RIGHT. NOW 6002 03:07:38.018 --> 03:07:40.014 WE'LL GO TO ITEM 4.3 REPORT 6003 03:07:40.014 --> 03:07:42.002 OF THE FINDINGS AND 6004 03:07:42.002 --> 03:07:43.006 RECOMMENDATIONS AS SOON AS THE 6005 03:07:43.006 --> 03:07:44.023 MEDICAL CENTER CLOSURE IMPACT 6006 03:07:44.023 --> 03:07:45.011 STUDY THE BELIEVE WE'RE GOING 6007 03:07:45.011 --> 03:07:48.018 TO HAVE A PRESENTATION ON THIS 6008 03:07:48.018 --> 03:07:49.026 ITEM AND I'M GOING TO ASK THAT 6009 03:07:49.026 --> 03:07:51.004 THE PRESENTATION BE DONE AS 6010 03:07:51.004 --> 03:07:53.011 CONCISELY AS POSSIBLE WITH A 6011 03:07:53.011 --> 03:07:54.020 LOT OF PUBLIC MEMBERS HAVE BEEN 6012 03:07:54.020 --> 03:07:55.017 WAITING FOR SOME TIME AND 6013 03:07:55.017 --> 03:07:58.014 GO AHEAD, SIR. I GUESS WE'RE 6014 03:07:58.014 --> 03:07:59.014 GOING TO GO DIRECTLY TO YOU, 6015 03:07:59.014 --> 03:08:01.026 JIM WAS GOING TO DO IT. I MIGHT 6016 03:08:01.026 --> 03:08:02.001 JUST INTRODUCE I THINK THE 6017 03:08:02.001 --> 03:08:05.024 COUNCIL VERY FAMILIAR WITH WITH 6018 03:08:05.024 --> 03:08:07.011 THE WHOLE HEALTH CARE SAN JOSE 6019 03:08:07.011 --> 03:08:09.017 MEDICAL CENTER PROCESS AS WE 6020 03:08:09.017 --> 03:08:11.018 WERE AS WE >> KNOW A NUMBER 6021 03:08:11.018 --> 03:08:13.018 OF YEARS AGO HCA ANNOUNCED THE 6022 03:08:13.018 --> 03:08:15.024 CLOSURE OF SAN JOSE MEDICAL 6023 03:08:15.024 --> 03:08:16.012 CENTER. IT WAS PLANNED TO CLOSE 6024 03:08:16.012 --> 03:08:19.003 IN 2007. MORE >> RECENTLY WE 6025 03:08:19.003 --> 03:08:23.023 WERE INFORMED WE HAD AND THAT 6026 03:08:23.023 --> 03:08:24.022 THEY WERE GOING TO CLOSE IN 90 6027 03:08:24.022 --> 03:08:25.019 DAYS AND HENCE THAT THE MEDICAL 6028 03:08:25.019 --> 03:08:27.018 CENTER IS CLOSED. WE WERE IN 6029 03:08:27.018 --> 03:08:29.004 THE PROCESS OF DOING >> A 6030 03:08:29.004 --> 03:08:31.018 HEALTH CARE ANALYSIS, WORKING 6031 03:08:31.018 --> 03:08:32.011 WITH THE COUNTY AND IN FACT THE 6032 03:08:32.011 --> 03:08:34.009 CITY COUNTY MAYOR AND CITY 6033 03:08:34.009 --> 03:08:35.021 COUNCIL AND THE COUNTY HAD BOTH 6034 03:08:35.021 --> 03:08:36.020 APPROPRIATED >> $50,000 EACH TO 6035 03:08:36.020 --> 03:08:38.012 PROVIDE FOR THE FUNDING FOR 6036 03:08:38.012 --> 03:08:40.028 THAT STUDY. WE DID AN INTERVIEW 6037 03:08:40.028 --> 03:08:42.001 PROCESS TO SELECT A CONSULTANT 6038 03:08:42.001 --> 03:08:45.020 AND MR. ZARETSKY DR. ZARETSKY 6039 03:08:45.020 --> 03:08:47.011 ASSOCIATES, THE GENTLEMAN 6040 03:08:47.011 --> 03:08:49.018 STANDING BEFORE US TODAY WAS 6041 03:08:49.018 --> 03:08:50.007 SELECTED AND IS AND DONE THAT 6042 03:08:50.007 --> 03:08:53.008 STUDY. DR. ZARETSKY IS HAILS 6043 03:08:53.008 --> 03:08:56.021 FROM SACRAMENTO. HE'S BEEN IN 6044 03:08:56.021 --> 03:08:58.022 THE BUSINESS OF HEALTH CARE 6045 03:08:58.022 --> 03:08:59.020 ANALYSIS AND HEALTH CARE 6046 03:08:59.020 --> 03:09:02.012 PRACTICE FOR ALMOST 30 YEARS 6047 03:09:02.012 --> 03:09:05.028 AND SO WE'RE VERY PLEASED THAT 6048 03:09:05.028 --> 03:09:06.005 HE'S HERE AND HE HAS SOME 6049 03:09:06.005 --> 03:09:08.006 INFORMATION TO SHARE >> WITH 6050 03:09:08.006 --> 03:09:09.001 US. OKAY. WELCOME SIR. THANK 6051 03:09:09.001 --> 03:09:11.019 YOU VERY MUCH. WHEN THIS STUDY 6052 03:09:11.019 --> 03:09:13.024 WAS INITIATED WE THOUGHT WE HAD 6053 03:09:13.024 --> 03:09:16.014 A LOT. IT WAS INITIATED ROUGHLY 6054 03:09:16.014 --> 03:09:18.020 IN MAY AND WE THOUGHT >> WE HAD 6055 03:09:18.020 --> 03:09:19.004 UNTIL 2007 TO DEAL WITH IT HAD 6056 03:09:19.004 --> 03:09:23.006 2007 BEEN THE DATE OF THE 6057 03:09:23.006 --> 03:09:25.021 CLOSURE OF SAN JOSE MEDICAL 6058 03:09:25.021 --> 03:09:26.016 CENTER. IT WOULD HAVE ALLOWED 6059 03:09:26.016 --> 03:09:28.019 FOR AT LEAST AN ORDERLY 6060 03:09:28.019 --> 03:09:29.015 TRANSITION. THE PLAN WAS TO 6061 03:09:29.015 --> 03:09:31.024 CONSOLIDATE SAN JOSE MEDICAL 6062 03:09:31.024 --> 03:09:33.028 TERTIARY SERVICES AND TRAUMA 6063 03:09:33.028 --> 03:09:35.021 CENTER INTO REGIONAL MEDICAL 6064 03:09:35.021 --> 03:09:37.028 CENTER WHICH IS ABOUT TWO AND A 6065 03:09:37.028 --> 03:09:38.011 HALF MILES AWAY. THAT DIDN'T 6066 03:09:38.011 --> 03:09:41.028 HAPPEN SO WE'RE BASICALLY TO 6067 03:09:41.028 --> 03:09:43.018 SQUARE ONE. >> THIS THIS STUDY 6068 03:09:43.018 --> 03:09:48.000 WAS PRIMARILY CONCERNED WITH 6069 03:09:48.000 --> 03:09:51.011 CURRENT AND FUTURE HEALTH CARE 6070 03:09:51.011 --> 03:09:52.011 NEEDS OF THE DOWNTOWN COMMUNITY 6071 03:09:52.011 --> 03:09:55.016 AND THE ANALYSIS WAS 6072 03:09:55.016 --> 03:09:56.013 ACCOMPLISHED THROUGH A 6073 03:09:56.013 --> 03:09:57.012 COMBINATION OF A LARGE AMOUNT 6074 03:09:57.012 --> 03:09:59.017 OF STATISTICAL ANALYSIS AND 6075 03:09:59.017 --> 03:10:01.001 MEETINGS AND PHONE CALLS WITH A 6076 03:10:01.001 --> 03:10:03.006 WIDE VARIETY OF CONSUMERS 6077 03:10:03.006 --> 03:10:05.013 HEALTH CARE PROVIDERS AND 6078 03:10:05.013 --> 03:10:07.002 GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS. I HAVE 6079 03:10:07.002 --> 03:10:09.023 THE BENEFIT OF BEING GUIDED BY 6080 03:10:09.023 --> 03:10:10.003 A TECHNICAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE 6081 03:10:10.003 --> 03:10:13.004 WHICH MET MONTHLY AND PROVIDED 6082 03:10:13.004 --> 03:10:15.002 VALUABLE INPUT AS WELL AS 6083 03:10:15.002 --> 03:10:17.014 FACILITATING CONTACTS AND 6084 03:10:17.014 --> 03:10:19.006 MEETINGS WITH VARIOUS 6085 03:10:19.006 --> 03:10:21.008 ORGANIZATIONS AND INDIVIDUALS. 6086 03:10:21.008 --> 03:10:23.002 THE FINDINGS AND 6087 03:10:23.002 --> 03:10:24.012 RECOMMENDATIONS ARE MINE. THE 6088 03:10:24.012 --> 03:10:27.019 INDIVIDUAL ADVISORY >> 6089 03:10:27.019 --> 03:10:29.009 COMMITTEE MEMBERS >> MAY AGREE 6090 03:10:29.009 --> 03:10:31.001 WITH SOME RECOMMENDATIONS AND 6091 03:10:31.001 --> 03:10:33.007 DISAGREE WITH OTHERS AND FACT 6092 03:10:33.007 --> 03:10:35.012 THEY DID FILE THEIR OWN REPORT 6093 03:10:35.012 --> 03:10:37.003 HIGHLIGHTING THE AREAS 6094 03:10:37.003 --> 03:10:39.029 OF AGREEMENT AND DISAGREEMENT. 6095 03:10:39.029 --> 03:10:41.000 SAN JOSE MEDICAL CENTER HAD 6096 03:10:41.000 --> 03:10:43.015 BEEN >> AROUND SINCE 1923 AND 6097 03:10:43.015 --> 03:10:46.004 WAS THE ONLY HOSPITAL LOCATED 6098 03:10:46.004 --> 03:10:48.005 RIGHT IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA. 6099 03:10:48.005 --> 03:10:50.018 REGIONAL MEDICAL CENTER IS THE 6100 03:10:50.018 --> 03:10:51.019 CLOSEST FACILITY TO THAT AND 6101 03:10:51.019 --> 03:10:53.025 THAT'S TWO AND A HALF MILES 6102 03:10:53.025 --> 03:10:54.003 AWAY. THE MEDICAL CENTER'S MAIN 6103 03:10:54.003 --> 03:10:57.027 CONTRIBUTION TO ITS NEIGHBORING 6104 03:10:57.027 --> 03:10:58.016 RESIDENTS WAS ITS EMERGENCY 6105 03:10:58.016 --> 03:11:01.002 ROOM AND RELATED MEDICAL 6106 03:11:01.002 --> 03:11:04.009 SERVICES LOCATED ADJACENT TO 6107 03:11:04.009 --> 03:11:06.013 THE HOSPITAL MAINLY PHYSICIAN 6108 03:11:06.013 --> 03:11:08.009 OFFICES AND IN ADDITION TO A 6109 03:11:08.009 --> 03:11:11.017 FAMILY PRACTICE CLINIC. AND I 6110 03:11:11.017 --> 03:11:13.005 UNDERSTAND THAT FAMILY PRACTICE 6111 03:11:13.005 --> 03:11:15.003 CLINIC IS GOING TO RELOCATE TO 6112 03:11:15.003 --> 03:11:17.014 O'CONNOR HOSPITAL WHICH IS 6113 03:11:17.014 --> 03:11:18.017 ABOUT MILES AWAY. FIRST SLIDE. 6114 03:11:18.017 --> 03:11:22.000 THANK YOU. ITS >> ACQUISITION 6115 03:11:22.000 --> 03:11:25.011 BY HCA IN 1996 SAN JOSE MED 6116 03:11:25.011 --> 03:11:28.019 CENTER HAS EXPERIENCED A STEADY 6117 03:11:28.019 --> 03:11:30.011 DROP IN ITS VOLUME. IT'S THE 6118 03:11:30.011 --> 03:11:32.023 LOWEST OF THOSE BARS THERE IS 6119 03:11:32.023 --> 03:11:34.013 THE BLUE ON THE BOTTOM >> AND 6120 03:11:34.013 --> 03:11:36.029 YOU CAN SEE UNTIL ABOUT IF YOU 6121 03:11:36.029 --> 03:11:37.014 CAN READ IT THAT CHART GOES 6122 03:11:37.014 --> 03:11:39.013 FROM 93 TO 2003 AND IT WAS 6123 03:11:39.013 --> 03:11:45.007 INCREASING ON A STEADY BASIS 6124 03:11:45.007 --> 03:11:48.018 UNTIL ABOUT 1996 AND THEN IT 6125 03:11:48.018 --> 03:11:50.019 STARTED DECREASING AND >> ALL 6126 03:11:50.019 --> 03:11:53.008 THE OTHER HOSPITALS IN THE AREA 6127 03:11:53.008 --> 03:11:55.001 EITHER HAD STEADY VOLUME >> OR 6128 03:11:55.001 --> 03:11:57.010 INCREASING VOLUME. SO IT'S DROP 6129 03:11:57.010 --> 03:12:01.000 >> REFLECTS TO A LARGE EXTENT 6130 03:12:01.000 --> 03:12:05.024 THE FACT SOME OF ITS SERVICES 6131 03:12:05.024 --> 03:12:06.010 WERE RELOCATED AFTER THE 6132 03:12:06.010 --> 03:12:08.000 ACQUISITION OF HCA TO OTHER HCA 6133 03:12:08.000 --> 03:12:11.005 HOSPITALS SERVICES IN 6134 03:12:11.005 --> 03:12:13.000 PARTICULAR OBSTETRICS AND AND 6135 03:12:13.000 --> 03:12:16.003 PSYCHIATRY. OF ITS 6136 03:12:16.003 --> 03:12:18.009 APPROXIMATELY 300 BEDS ONLY 6137 03:12:18.009 --> 03:12:20.026 ABOUT 100 WERE OCCUPIED AND 6138 03:12:20.026 --> 03:12:22.018 ONLY ABOUT A THIRD OF THOSE 200 6139 03:12:22.018 --> 03:12:25.008 BEDS SERVE THE DOWNTOWN 6140 03:12:25.008 --> 03:12:27.003 COMMUNITY. SO >> WITH ABOUT 30 6141 03:12:27.003 --> 03:12:30.010 BEDS SERVING THE DOWNTOWN AREA, 6142 03:12:30.010 --> 03:12:33.021 WE'RE NOT REALLY TALKING ABOUT 6143 03:12:33.021 --> 03:12:34.007 A LOT OF LOST INPATIENT 6144 03:12:34.007 --> 03:12:36.028 CAPACITY AT THIS TIME BUT THE 6145 03:12:36.028 --> 03:12:38.003 LOSS OF THE EMERGENCY ROOM AND 6146 03:12:38.003 --> 03:12:41.015 OTHER OUTPATIENT WILL CREATE A 6147 03:12:41.015 --> 03:12:43.007 GAP AND CAUSE PROBLEMS FOR A 6148 03:12:43.007 --> 03:12:46.013 NEARBY WHO DO NOT HAVE ACCESS 6149 03:12:46.013 --> 03:12:48.027 TO PRIVATE TRANSPORTATION FOR 6150 03:12:48.027 --> 03:12:50.000 RESIDENTS OF THE SERVICE AREA. 6151 03:12:50.000 --> 03:12:53.026 SAN JOSE MED CENTER RANKED 6152 03:12:53.026 --> 03:12:54.012 ABOUT FOURTH IN MARKET SHARE. 6153 03:12:54.012 --> 03:12:57.020 NEXT SLIDE IN >> TERMS 6154 03:12:57.020 --> 03:12:59.026 OF INPATIENT ACTIVITY THAT'S 6155 03:12:59.026 --> 03:13:01.012 BEHIND VALLEY MEDICAL CENTER 6156 03:13:01.012 --> 03:13:03.013 WHICH HAS THE LARGEST SHARE A 6157 03:13:03.013 --> 03:13:05.029 REGIONAL MEDICAL CENTER WHICH 6158 03:13:05.029 --> 03:13:06.026 HAS THE THE SECOND LARGEST 6159 03:13:06.026 --> 03:13:12.014 MARKET SHARE AND KAISER KAISER 6160 03:13:12.014 --> 03:13:15.003 ALSO HAS A LARGER MARKET SHARE 6161 03:13:15.003 --> 03:13:17.006 THAN SAN >> JOSE MED CENTER 6162 03:13:17.006 --> 03:13:18.012 DID. AND >> WHAT I MEAN BY 6163 03:13:18.012 --> 03:13:20.008 MARKET SHARE IS OF AREA 6164 03:13:20.008 --> 03:13:24.017 OF RESIDENTS OF THE SERVICE 6165 03:13:24.017 --> 03:13:25.002 AREA HOSPITALIZED ANYWHERE IN 6166 03:13:25.002 --> 03:13:27.029 CALIFORNIA >> 12% WERE 6167 03:13:27.029 --> 03:13:29.017 HOSPITALIZED AT SAN JOSE 6168 03:13:29.017 --> 03:13:31.002 MEDICAL CENTER AND THOSE ARE 6169 03:13:31.002 --> 03:13:34.013 PEOPLE LIVING IN THE DOWNTOWN 6170 03:13:34.013 --> 03:13:35.023 AREA BUT THE MED CENTER IS A 6171 03:13:35.023 --> 03:13:38.018 MAJOR WAS A MAJOR PLAYER IN THE 6172 03:13:38.018 --> 03:13:40.012 TRAUMA AREA ABOUT ACCOUNTING 6173 03:13:40.012 --> 03:13:44.020 FOR ABOUT ONE THIRD OF THE 6174 03:13:44.020 --> 03:13:45.013 TRAUMA CASES IN THE IN THE IN 6175 03:13:45.013 --> 03:13:47.022 THE COUNTY IN SANTA CLARA 6176 03:13:47.022 --> 03:13:48.006 COUNTY AND THIS IMPORTANCE 6177 03:13:48.006 --> 03:13:51.018 DOESN'T SHOW IN IN THAT >> 6178 03:13:51.018 --> 03:13:53.014 SLICE SMALL SLICE THERE WHICH 6179 03:13:53.014 --> 03:13:55.014 IS THE 12% >> MARKET SHARE. 6180 03:13:55.014 --> 03:13:57.013 GIVEN THAT INFORMATION, THE 6181 03:13:57.013 --> 03:13:59.019 RELATIVELY >> SMALL MARKET 6182 03:13:59.019 --> 03:14:00.008 SHARE IN THE LOW VOLUME OVERALL 6183 03:14:00.008 --> 03:14:03.014 IN >> THE EARLY OF THIS PROJECT 6184 03:14:03.014 --> 03:14:05.028 I WAS OF THE OPINION THAT THE 6185 03:14:05.028 --> 03:14:06.011 ONLY THING WE REALLY HAD TO 6186 03:14:06.011 --> 03:14:08.007 WORRY WAS EMERGENCY SERVICES 6187 03:14:08.007 --> 03:14:11.005 AND OTHER OUTPATIENT SERVICES 6188 03:14:11.005 --> 03:14:13.007 LOCATED IN THE AREA THAT WOULD 6189 03:14:13.007 --> 03:14:15.007 BE LIKELY TO RELOCATE WITH THE 6190 03:14:15.007 --> 03:14:17.006 HOSPITALS >> CLOSURE ACCESS TO 6191 03:14:17.006 --> 03:14:20.017 AN EMERGENCY ROOM AND A DOCTOR 6192 03:14:20.017 --> 03:14:22.029 ARE STILL THE MOST IMPORTANT 6193 03:14:22.029 --> 03:14:23.028 FACTORS IN ANY HEALTH CARE 6194 03:14:23.028 --> 03:14:25.005 NEEDS ANALYSIS IN GENERAL, 6195 03:14:25.005 --> 03:14:28.010 PEOPLE DON'T >> SUFFER FROM 6196 03:14:28.010 --> 03:14:29.017 LACK OF A HOSPITAL BED BUT FROM 6197 03:14:29.017 --> 03:14:31.004 LACK OF EMERGENCY >> SERVICE 6198 03:14:31.004 --> 03:14:33.019 CAPACITY AND ACCESS >> TO A 6199 03:14:33.019 --> 03:14:34.027 PRIMARY CARE PHYSICIAN IF THEY 6200 03:14:34.027 --> 03:14:36.021 CAN ACCESS PRIMARY CARE 6201 03:14:36.021 --> 03:14:38.003 PHYSICIAN OR AN EMERGENCY ROOM, 6202 03:14:38.003 --> 03:14:41.026 A BED >> WILL MOST LIKELY 6203 03:14:41.026 --> 03:14:42.013 BECOME AVAILABLE. ALTHOUGH THAT 6204 03:14:42.013 --> 03:14:45.011 LOCATION IN THE TIMING MAY NOT 6205 03:14:45.011 --> 03:14:47.021 BE. BUT THE NUMBERS ANALYZED 6206 03:14:47.021 --> 03:14:50.028 REVEALED THAT WITHOUT CAREFUL 6207 03:14:50.028 --> 03:14:52.011 PLANNING IT'S LIKELY THAT THIS 6208 03:14:52.011 --> 03:14:55.010 AREA WILL SUFFER A BED SHORTAGE 6209 03:14:55.010 --> 03:14:57.019 SOMETIME DURING THE COMING 6210 03:14:57.019 --> 03:14:58.001 DECADE. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. 6211 03:14:58.001 --> 03:15:02.029 POPULATION IN THIS >> AREA 6212 03:15:02.029 --> 03:15:03.007 WHICH WAS ABOUT 170,000 PEOPLE 6213 03:15:03.007 --> 03:15:07.029 IN 2000 IS PROJECTED TO 6214 03:15:07.029 --> 03:15:09.007 INCREASE TO 325,000 BY 2030. 6215 03:15:09.007 --> 03:15:16.014 THAT'S A >> THAT'S A AN 88% 6216 03:15:16.014 --> 03:15:19.021 INCREASE. >> MORE IMPORTANT 6217 03:15:19.021 --> 03:15:21.021 THOUGH NEXT SLIDE IS THE 6218 03:15:21.021 --> 03:15:24.017 COMPOSITION OF THAT POPULATION 6219 03:15:24.017 --> 03:15:26.019 GROWTH. THE POPULATION AGING 6220 03:15:26.019 --> 03:15:30.009 AND BECAUSE OF THIS THE NUMBER 6221 03:15:30.009 --> 03:15:32.004 OF ELDERLY >> AND MIDDLE AGED 6222 03:15:32.004 --> 03:15:34.021 RESIDENTS ARE PROJECTED TO 6223 03:15:34.021 --> 03:15:35.021 INCREASE AT A MUCH GREATER RATE 6224 03:15:35.021 --> 03:15:37.016 THAN YOUNGER AGE GROUPS. AND >> 6225 03:15:37.016 --> 03:15:39.007 BECAUSE OF THIS THE NEED FOR 6226 03:15:39.007 --> 03:15:41.015 HOSPITAL BEDS AND INPATIENT >> 6227 03:15:41.015 --> 03:15:43.002 IS GOING TO GROW SUBSTANTIALLY 6228 03:15:43.002 --> 03:15:45.021 MORE THAN THE POPULATION. THIS 6229 03:15:45.021 --> 03:15:47.013 SLIDE SHOWS THE PROJECTED 6230 03:15:47.013 --> 03:15:49.029 DEMAND FOR PATIENT DAYS. 6231 03:15:49.029 --> 03:15:51.001 THEY'RE PROJECTED GO UP 174% 6232 03:15:51.001 --> 03:15:55.007 BETWEEN NOW AND 2030. ABOUT 6233 03:15:55.007 --> 03:15:58.005 TWICE >> THE INCREASE IN TOTAL 6234 03:15:58.005 --> 03:16:00.007 POPULATION. NEXT SLIDE. BECAUSE 6235 03:16:00.007 --> 03:16:04.000 >> OF THIS TYPE OF GROWTH THERE 6236 03:16:04.000 --> 03:16:06.021 COULD BE A BED SOMETIME BETWEEN 6237 03:16:06.021 --> 03:16:08.023 2010 AND 2020 AMONG THE THREE 6238 03:16:08.023 --> 03:16:11.012 MAJOR HOSPITALS SERVING THIS 6239 03:16:11.012 --> 03:16:13.013 AREA VALLEY MEDICAL CENTER >> 6240 03:16:13.013 --> 03:16:15.026 REGIONAL MEDICAL CENTER IN 6241 03:16:15.026 --> 03:16:16.004 O'CONNOR >> HOSPITAL. WHEN >> 6242 03:16:16.004 --> 03:16:20.000 THE SHORTAGE THOUGH DEPENDS ON 6243 03:16:20.000 --> 03:16:22.010 A VARIETY OF FACTORS. IF 6244 03:16:22.010 --> 03:16:24.011 REGIONAL MEDICAL STANDARD NOT 6245 03:16:24.011 --> 03:16:26.015 GO AHEAD WITH ITS PLANNED 75 6246 03:16:26.015 --> 03:16:28.028 THAT EXPANSION WHICH IS 6247 03:16:28.028 --> 03:16:29.012 SUPPOSED TO BE OPERATIONAL BY 6248 03:16:29.012 --> 03:16:32.008 2007 A SHORTAGE OF BEDS WOULD 6249 03:16:32.008 --> 03:16:36.025 OCCUR AROUND 2015. HOWEVER, 6250 03:16:36.025 --> 03:16:40.021 THERE'S >> A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 6251 03:16:40.021 --> 03:16:41.000 LICENSED BEDS AND AVAILABLE 6252 03:16:41.000 --> 03:16:43.023 BEDS. NOT ALL LICENSED BEDS ARE 6253 03:16:43.023 --> 03:16:45.022 AVAILABLE FOR USE THERE ON THE 6254 03:16:45.022 --> 03:16:47.015 HOSPITAL'S LICENSE AND THE 6255 03:16:47.015 --> 03:16:49.029 LEAVES THEM THERE. HOWEVER THE 6256 03:16:49.029 --> 03:16:50.017 BEDS MAY NOT EXIST AT ALL. THE 6257 03:16:50.017 --> 03:16:52.004 BUILDING COULD BE CONVERTED TO 6258 03:16:52.004 --> 03:16:54.014 USE, BUILDING COULD EVEN BE 6259 03:16:54.014 --> 03:16:55.001 TORN DOWN. IN OTHER CASES THE 6260 03:16:55.001 --> 03:16:59.013 BEDS MAY NOT BE IMMEDIATELY 6261 03:16:59.013 --> 03:17:01.028 AVAILABLE BUT WITH SOME MINOR 6262 03:17:01.028 --> 03:17:02.007 RENOVATION COULD BE MADE >> 6263 03:17:02.007 --> 03:17:04.004 AVAILABLE RELATIVELY SHORTLY. 6264 03:17:04.004 --> 03:17:06.004 SO >> AVAILABLE IS A NUMBER 6265 03:17:06.004 --> 03:17:09.005 THAT IS MAYBE MORE REALISTIC >> 6266 03:17:09.005 --> 03:17:11.017 BUT IT'S A LOT SQUISHIER. IT'S 6267 03:17:11.017 --> 03:17:12.000 NOT AS AS TANGIBLE AS A 6268 03:17:12.000 --> 03:17:14.014 LICENSED BED COUNT BUT IF MET 6269 03:17:14.014 --> 03:17:16.024 IF REGIONAL MEDICAL CENTER DOES 6270 03:17:16.024 --> 03:17:17.001 NOT GO AHEAD WITH ITS EXPANSION 6271 03:17:17.001 --> 03:17:20.027 ON AN AVAILABLE BED BASIS JUST 6272 03:17:20.027 --> 03:17:21.017 COUNTING AVAILABLE BEDS THERE 6273 03:17:21.017 --> 03:17:23.008 COULD BE A SHORTAGE BY 2010 6274 03:17:23.008 --> 03:17:25.028 WHICH IS PRETTY IMMEDIATE IF 6275 03:17:25.028 --> 03:17:27.020 REGIONAL DOES GO AHEAD >> ON A 6276 03:17:27.020 --> 03:17:29.009 LICENSE BED BASIS WE DON'T HAVE 6277 03:17:29.009 --> 03:17:31.019 TO WORRY UNTIL 20 THERE SHOULD 6278 03:17:31.019 --> 03:17:33.009 NOT BE A SHORTAGE AND THEN ON 6279 03:17:33.009 --> 03:17:35.018 AN AVAILABLE BED BASIS THE 6280 03:17:35.018 --> 03:17:36.013 SHORTAGE OCCUR >> BY 2050. BUT 6281 03:17:36.013 --> 03:17:39.023 GIVEN THE LIKELIHOOD OF THOSE 6282 03:17:39.023 --> 03:17:41.000 SHORTAGES THAT LEADS TO ONE 6283 03:17:41.000 --> 03:17:45.000 OF THE REPORT'S RECOMMENDATIONS 6284 03:17:45.000 --> 03:17:47.026 THAT LOCAL OFFICIALS INITIATE A 6285 03:17:47.026 --> 03:17:49.023 PLANNING PROCESS FAIRLY SOON 6286 03:17:49.023 --> 03:17:52.020 AND AN IMPLEMENTATION STRATEGY 6287 03:17:52.020 --> 03:17:54.011 TO ENSURE THAT A BED SHORTAGE 6288 03:17:54.011 --> 03:17:56.017 DOES NOT IN FACT MATERIALIZE 6289 03:17:56.017 --> 03:17:58.026 AND IN DOING SO IT SHOULD 6290 03:17:58.026 --> 03:17:59.008 CONSIDER COORDINATION >> AMONG 6291 03:17:59.008 --> 03:18:03.023 THE THREE REMAINING HOSPITALS 6292 03:18:03.023 --> 03:18:04.018 SERVING THE AREA VALLEY MEDICAL 6293 03:18:04.018 --> 03:18:06.028 CENTER O'CONNOR AND REGIONAL 6294 03:18:06.028 --> 03:18:07.006 MEDICAL CENTER. IF YOU LOOK 6295 03:18:07.006 --> 03:18:10.021 AT THE ECONOMIC FEASIBILITY 6296 03:18:10.021 --> 03:18:11.020 OF CONSTRUCTING A NEW HOSPITAL 6297 03:18:11.020 --> 03:18:13.017 VERSUS EXPANSION OF EXISTING 6298 03:18:13.017 --> 03:18:15.020 HOSPITALS AND THE EXTENT TO 6299 03:18:15.020 --> 03:18:17.018 WHICH SUCH A HOSPITAL WOULD >> 6300 03:18:17.018 --> 03:18:19.002 SUFFICIENTLY ENHANCE >> THE 6301 03:18:19.002 --> 03:18:21.022 CITY'S ATTRACTIVENESS AS A 6302 03:18:21.022 --> 03:18:22.015 MAJOR CONVENTION SITE TO 6303 03:18:22.015 --> 03:18:24.009 WARRANT WARRANT MAYBE 6304 03:18:24.009 --> 03:18:26.016 ESTABLISHING A NEW FUNDING 6305 03:18:26.016 --> 03:18:27.005 MECHANISM. OTHER 6306 03:18:27.005 --> 03:18:29.006 RECOMMENDATIONS INCLUDE MOST 6307 03:18:29.006 --> 03:18:31.024 IMPORTANTLY >> THE VALLEY 6308 03:18:31.024 --> 03:18:32.028 MEDICAL CENTER ESTABLISH A 6309 03:18:32.028 --> 03:18:34.019 MAJOR OUTPATIENT HEALTH CENTER 6310 03:18:34.019 --> 03:18:37.013 AND URGENT CARE FACILITY IN THE 6311 03:18:37.013 --> 03:18:39.021 DOWNTOWN AND DO SO ON A FAST 6312 03:18:39.021 --> 03:18:41.020 TRACK THAT HCA >> MAINTAIN 6313 03:18:41.020 --> 03:18:45.000 MEDICAL OFFICE SPACE NEAR THE 6314 03:18:45.000 --> 03:18:48.027 MEDICAL CENTER SITE THAT IF 6315 03:18:48.027 --> 03:18:50.010 PROVIDE A GRANT TO GARDNER 6316 03:18:50.010 --> 03:18:52.006 HEALTH FAMILY HEALTH NETWORK 6317 03:18:52.006 --> 03:18:54.018 WHICH IS A A NETWORK OF OF 6318 03:18:54.018 --> 03:18:57.028 COMMUNITY CLINICS >> FOR 6319 03:18:57.028 --> 03:18:59.017 CAPITAL COSTS NECESSARY TO 6320 03:18:59.017 --> 03:19:01.000 EXPAND CAPACITY AT ITS DOWNTOWN 6321 03:19:01.000 --> 03:19:05.016 AND THAT CONTRIBUTE FUNDING 6322 03:19:05.016 --> 03:19:06.007 TOWARD TRANSPORTATION COSTS >> 6323 03:19:06.007 --> 03:19:08.024 BROUGHT ON THE HOSPITAL'S 6324 03:19:08.024 --> 03:19:09.028 CLOSURE. THERE ARE A LOT 6325 03:19:09.028 --> 03:19:11.027 OF ELDERLY PEOPLE >> IN THE 6326 03:19:11.027 --> 03:19:12.026 COMMUNITY IN DOWNTOWN COMMUNITY 6327 03:19:12.026 --> 03:19:14.020 AND A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE 6328 03:19:14.020 --> 03:19:15.016 NOT THAT MOBILE AND DO NOT HAVE 6329 03:19:15.016 --> 03:19:17.008 A PRIVATE AUTOMOBILE BUS 6330 03:19:17.008 --> 03:19:19.019 TRANSPORTATION IS NOT VERY 6331 03:19:19.019 --> 03:19:21.019 GOOD. THERE IS ONE LINE THAT 6332 03:19:21.019 --> 03:19:24.021 WOULD GO FROM THE MEDICAL 6333 03:19:24.021 --> 03:19:25.006 CENTER SITE TO REGIONAL MEDICAL 6334 03:19:25.006 --> 03:19:27.015 CENTER WITH A SHORT WALK 6335 03:19:27.015 --> 03:19:28.003 AT EACH END BUT TO GO TO ANY 6336 03:19:28.003 --> 03:19:30.005 OTHER HOSPITAL INVOLVES 6337 03:19:30.005 --> 03:19:31.018 TRANSFERRING AND COULD TAKE 6338 03:19:31.018 --> 03:19:33.006 OVER AN HOUR VALLEY MEDICAL 6339 03:19:33.006 --> 03:19:36.028 CENTER AND GARDNER >> CLINICS 6340 03:19:36.028 --> 03:19:37.023 SHOULD ALSO JOINTLY PLAN FOR 6341 03:19:37.023 --> 03:19:39.021 OUTPATIENT SERVICES AND 6342 03:19:39.021 --> 03:19:41.001 COORDINATE SERVICES THE 6343 03:19:41.001 --> 03:19:43.015 DOWNTOWN AREA, >> THE CITY 6344 03:19:43.015 --> 03:19:46.000 OF SAN JOSE AND SANTA CLARA 6345 03:19:46.000 --> 03:19:48.009 COUNTY SHOULD CONVENE A TASK 6346 03:19:48.009 --> 03:19:49.008 FORCE TO ASSESS PUBLIC 6347 03:19:49.008 --> 03:19:51.028 TRANSPORTATION IN THE DOWNTOWN 6348 03:19:51.028 --> 03:19:52.018 AREA IN TERMS OF MEDICAL NEEDS 6349 03:19:52.018 --> 03:19:55.007 AND DEVELOP A PLAN TO SECURE 6350 03:19:55.007 --> 03:19:57.027 FUNDING TO MINIMIZE THE IMPACT 6351 03:19:57.027 --> 03:19:59.010 OF THE MEDICAL CENTER'S CLOSURE 6352 03:19:59.010 --> 03:20:01.020 ON VULNERABLE GROUPS. FAILURE 6353 03:20:01.020 --> 03:20:03.003 TO ADEQUATELY DEAL WITH THIS 6354 03:20:03.003 --> 03:20:05.019 ISSUE MAY >> BE MORE COSTLY 6355 03:20:05.019 --> 03:20:06.010 THAN THE REMEDY IN TERMS 6356 03:20:06.010 --> 03:20:08.022 OF ADDED HEALTH CARE COSTS AND 6357 03:20:08.022 --> 03:20:09.029 AVOIDABLE 911 CALLS AN AVERAGE 6358 03:20:09.029 --> 03:20:11.009 911 CALL COSTS $1,000 A CAB >> 6359 03:20:11.009 --> 03:20:16.029 RIDE MIGHT BE FIVE OR $10. 6360 03:20:16.029 --> 03:20:18.029 HOWEVER, IT'S EASIER AND 6361 03:20:18.029 --> 03:20:20.016 PROBABLY FOR FOR SOME PEOPLE 6362 03:20:20.016 --> 03:20:22.004 CALL 911 BECAUSE THEY DON'T 6363 03:20:22.004 --> 03:20:24.000 HAVE THE MONEY TO PAY FOR A CAB 6364 03:20:24.000 --> 03:20:27.013 THE CITY SHOULD >> REQUIRE THAT 6365 03:20:27.013 --> 03:20:28.009 THE CURRENT MEDICAL CENTER SITE 6366 03:20:28.009 --> 03:20:30.013 REMAIN AVAILABLE >> FOR A 6367 03:20:30.013 --> 03:20:31.015 HOSPITAL DEVELOPMENT UNTIL >> 6368 03:20:31.015 --> 03:20:33.022 JUNE OF 2007 WHICH WAS THE 6369 03:20:33.022 --> 03:20:35.020 ORIGINAL PLANNED CLOSURE DATE 6370 03:20:35.020 --> 03:20:37.026 OR UNTIL HCA DEMONSTRATES ITS 6371 03:20:37.026 --> 03:20:39.028 COMMITMENT TO PROCEED WITH ITS 6372 03:20:39.028 --> 03:20:42.017 EXPANSION PLANS AT REGIONAL 6373 03:20:42.017 --> 03:20:44.027 MEDICAL CENTER INCLUDING 6374 03:20:44.027 --> 03:20:45.008 ESTABLISHMENT OF THE LEVEL TWO 6375 03:20:45.008 --> 03:20:47.020 TRAUMA CENTER. I'LL CLOSE THERE 6376 03:20:47.020 --> 03:20:49.021 AND WELCOME ANY QUESTIONS. ALL 6377 03:20:49.021 --> 03:20:51.010 RIGHT, COUNCILMEMBER CHAVEZ, 6378 03:20:51.010 --> 03:20:53.003 YOU HAD A COMMENT FIRST. THANK 6379 03:20:53.003 --> 03:20:55.007 >> YOU, MAYOR. I WANTED TO JUST 6380 03:20:55.007 --> 03:20:57.022 DO TWO THINGS THAT FIRST IS TO 6381 03:20:57.022 --> 03:20:58.026 DRAW MY COLLEAGUE'S ATTENTION 6382 03:20:58.026 --> 03:20:59.005 TO THE MEMO THAT WAS BY MAYOR 6383 03:20:59.005 --> 03:21:02.003 GONZALEZ MYSELF. COUNCILMEMBERS 6384 03:21:02.003 --> 03:21:04.005 CAMPOS AND CORTEZ AND WHAT 6385 03:21:04.005 --> 03:21:07.000 WE'RE ASKING IS THAT WE ACCEPT 6386 03:21:07.000 --> 03:21:09.020 THE FINDINGS AND 6387 03:21:09.020 --> 03:21:09.020 RECOMMENDATIONS BY THE SCENE AS 6388 03:21:09.020 --> 03:21:11.005 A MEDICAL CENTER CLOSURE IMPACT 6389 03:21:11.005 --> 03:21:13.012 STUDY AND DIRECT ADMINISTRATION 6390 03:21:13.012 --> 03:21:15.016 TO PURSUE AND FACILITATE THE 6391 03:21:15.016 --> 03:21:16.012 CLOSURE IMPACT STUDY 6392 03:21:16.012 --> 03:21:17.012 RECOMMENDATIONS TO INITIATE 6393 03:21:17.012 --> 03:21:19.023 DISCUSSIONS WITH, MEDICAL 6394 03:21:19.023 --> 03:21:20.023 HEALTH CARE PROVIDERS AND TO 6395 03:21:20.023 --> 03:21:22.005 REPORT BACK WITHIN 30 DAYS ON 6396 03:21:22.005 --> 03:21:24.026 PROGRESS ON THESE 6397 03:21:24.026 --> 03:21:24.011 RECOMMENDATIONS, DISCUSSIONS 6398 03:21:24.011 --> 03:21:26.015 AND NEXT STEPS. AND WHAT I WAS 6399 03:21:26.015 --> 03:21:27.020 HOPING TO DO IS AT LEAST PUT 6400 03:21:27.020 --> 03:21:28.009 THAT OUT AS A MOTION SO PEOPLE 6401 03:21:28.009 --> 03:21:31.014 WOULD KNOW WHAT THEY WERE 6402 03:21:31.014 --> 03:21:32.001 SPEAKING TO BECAUSE >> EMOTIONS 6403 03:21:32.001 --> 03:21:34.020 ARE SECOND. OKAY. >> AND THEN I 6404 03:21:34.020 --> 03:21:36.023 JUST WANTED TO MAKE SOME VERY 6405 03:21:36.023 --> 03:21:37.002 BROAD COMMENTS AND I'LL MAKE 6406 03:21:37.002 --> 03:21:40.026 SOME CLOSING COMMENTS. FIRST 6407 03:21:40.026 --> 03:21:41.006 OF ALL, I WANTED TO ACKNOWLEDGE 6408 03:21:41.006 --> 03:21:43.019 THAT BUT FOR THE SAVES IN 6409 03:21:43.019 --> 03:21:45.020 SAN JOSE MEDICAL COALITION IN 6410 03:21:45.020 --> 03:21:47.006 PARTICULAR ROZ AND AL, WE WOULD 6411 03:21:47.006 --> 03:21:50.021 NOT HAVE THIS STUDY BEFORE US 6412 03:21:50.021 --> 03:21:52.008 AND PART OF THE REASON FOR THAT 6413 03:21:52.008 --> 03:21:54.008 IS THAT WE WERE GOING ON THE 6414 03:21:54.008 --> 03:21:55.014 ASSUMPTION THAT WE HAD A LONGER 6415 03:21:55.014 --> 03:21:56.004 TIMELINE TO WORK WITH HCA AND 6416 03:21:56.004 --> 03:21:59.029 ALL ALONG THEY TOLD US TO BE 6417 03:21:59.029 --> 03:22:00.001 WARY OF THAT AND TO TO GET ON 6418 03:22:00.001 --> 03:22:03.026 THE BALL AND GET AHEAD OF THE 6419 03:22:03.026 --> 03:22:03.022 CURVE AND THEY WERE RIGHT AND 6420 03:22:03.022 --> 03:22:06.011 AND THEY DESERVE SPECIAL 6421 03:22:06.011 --> 03:22:08.009 RECOGNITION FOR THAT. THE OTHER 6422 03:22:08.009 --> 03:22:10.027 IS THAT IS THERE A LOT OF THIS 6423 03:22:10.027 --> 03:22:14.018 GROUNDWORK THAT'S BEEN DONE IN 6424 03:22:14.018 --> 03:22:16.024 THE STUDY IN PARTICULAR IS VERY 6425 03:22:16.024 --> 03:22:17.002 DEFINED AND FOCUSED ON THE 6426 03:22:17.002 --> 03:22:19.016 DOWNTOWN BUT THE REALITY IS 6427 03:22:19.016 --> 03:22:21.005 THAT SAN JOSE MEDICAL CENTER IS 6428 03:22:21.005 --> 03:22:23.009 ONE OF A SERIES OF HEALTH CARE 6429 03:22:23.009 --> 03:22:26.005 SUPPLIERS AND >> NO MATTER HOW 6430 03:22:26.005 --> 03:22:28.007 YOU CUT IT, WHETHER WE LOSE A 6431 03:22:28.007 --> 03:22:30.004 TRAUMA CENTER OR NOT, WE'RE 6432 03:22:30.004 --> 03:22:31.010 LOSING AN EMERGENCY ROOM AND 6433 03:22:31.010 --> 03:22:32.006 WE'RE LOSING BEDS, PERIOD. 6434 03:22:32.006 --> 03:22:34.008 THAT'S SORT OF THE WE COULD 6435 03:22:34.008 --> 03:22:36.018 HAVE A LONG DISCUSSION AND I'M 6436 03:22:36.018 --> 03:22:37.022 READY TO DO THAT IF ANYBODY 6437 03:22:37.022 --> 03:22:38.019 WANTS TO ABOUT WHAT THE 6438 03:22:38.019 --> 03:22:39.002 IMPLICATIONS OF THAT ARE. BUT I 6439 03:22:39.002 --> 03:22:41.026 THINK THAT'S JUST VERY 6440 03:22:41.026 --> 03:22:41.022 IMPORTANT AS WE THINK ABOUT THE 6441 03:22:41.022 --> 03:22:43.003 IMPLICATIONS BECAUSE THIS STUDY 6442 03:22:43.003 --> 03:22:45.008 REALLY DID FOCUS ON THE 6443 03:22:45.008 --> 03:22:46.011 DOWNTOWN IN PART BECAUSE WE 6444 03:22:46.011 --> 03:22:47.008 DIDN'T HAVE A LOT OF MONEY AND 6445 03:22:47.008 --> 03:22:48.002 IN PART BECAUSE WE WERE LOOKING 6446 03:22:48.002 --> 03:22:50.022 AT DEALING WITH A VERY 6447 03:22:50.022 --> 03:22:50.002 PARTICULAR PROBLEM. BUT IT IS A 6448 03:22:50.002 --> 03:22:52.003 MUCH BROADER PROBLEM. IT'S A 6449 03:22:52.003 --> 03:22:53.012 PROBLEM FOR OUR ENTIRE >> 6450 03:22:53.012 --> 03:22:54.024 COUNTY. AND THEN FINALLY, 6451 03:22:54.024 --> 03:22:56.001 MAYOR, I WANTED >> TO JUST 6452 03:22:56.001 --> 03:22:58.020 ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THE DIRECTOR 6453 03:22:58.020 --> 03:23:00.023 OF SANTA CLARA COUNTY'S HEALTH 6454 03:23:00.023 --> 03:23:01.029 AND HOSPITAL SYSTEMS, BOB 6455 03:23:01.029 --> 03:23:02.017 CICILLINE IS HERE TOO SO HE'S 6456 03:23:02.017 --> 03:23:04.020 ABLE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS IF 6457 03:23:04.020 --> 03:23:05.020 FOLKS HAVE THEM. OKAY. THANK 6458 03:23:05.020 --> 03:23:07.023 YOU, CINDY AND THANK YOU ALSO 6459 03:23:07.023 --> 03:23:08.023 FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP ON THIS 6460 03:23:08.023 --> 03:23:09.006 ISSUE. I'M GOING TO ASK 6461 03:23:09.006 --> 03:23:11.026 MY COLLEAGUES TO LIMIT THEIR 6462 03:23:11.026 --> 03:23:13.007 COMMENTS TO QUESTIONS AT THIS 6463 03:23:13.007 --> 03:23:15.006 TIME AND THEN WE'LL GO TO THE 6464 03:23:15.006 --> 03:23:16.019 PUBLIC AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK 6465 03:23:16.019 --> 03:23:17.013 TO GET COMMENTS THE MOTION SO 6466 03:23:17.013 --> 03:23:19.010 WE HAVE QUESTIONS. 6467 03:23:19.010 --> 03:23:20.015 COUNCILMEMBER COMPASS >> THANK 6468 03:23:20.015 --> 03:23:22.027 YOU, MAYOR AND ACTUALLY 6469 03:23:22.027 --> 03:23:23.000 MY QUESTION IS MORE TO THE FACT 6470 03:23:23.000 --> 03:23:26.011 THAT WHEN YOU STARTED STUDY YOU 6471 03:23:26.011 --> 03:23:29.000 WERE ON THE DYNAMICS WERE A 6472 03:23:29.000 --> 03:23:31.025 LITTLE DIFFERENT. YOU WERE 6473 03:23:31.025 --> 03:23:31.015 UNDER THE IMPRESSION WE WERE 6474 03:23:31.015 --> 03:23:33.023 THEY WERE LOOKING AT CLOSING 6475 03:23:33.023 --> 03:23:34.015 AT 2007, IS THAT CORRECT? YOU 6476 03:23:34.015 --> 03:23:37.008 ALSO UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT 6477 03:23:37.008 --> 03:23:39.020 REGIONAL WAS ACCEPTING MEDICAL 6478 03:23:39.020 --> 03:23:42.027 IS THAT CORRECT? >> AND SO 6479 03:23:42.027 --> 03:23:44.015 THOSE TWO DYNAMICS HAVE CHANGED 6480 03:23:44.015 --> 03:23:46.015 SO SO WHEN YOU TALKED ABOUT 6481 03:23:46.015 --> 03:23:48.011 THAT REGIONAL WOULD NEED TO >> 6482 03:23:48.011 --> 03:23:53.004 I GUESS >> ADD 75 BEDS BUT YOU 6483 03:23:53.004 --> 03:23:57.017 ALSO TALKED ABOUT THE DECLINE 6484 03:23:57.017 --> 03:23:58.023 IN SERVICES AND PROBABLY 6485 03:23:58.023 --> 03:23:59.008 BECAUSE HCA WHEN THEY HAD 6486 03:23:59.008 --> 03:24:01.021 PURCHASED SAN JOSE MEDICAL 6487 03:24:01.021 --> 03:24:02.006 CENTER THAT THEY WERE PROBABLY 6488 03:24:02.006 --> 03:24:04.016 >> SOME OF THE SERVICES WERE 6489 03:24:04.016 --> 03:24:06.023 GOING SOMEWHERE >> ELSE WE'RE 6490 03:24:06.023 --> 03:24:07.018 GOING YES. SO MY QUESTION TO 6491 03:24:07.018 --> 03:24:09.000 YOU IS NOW THAT I'VE JUST KIND 6492 03:24:09.000 --> 03:24:12.006 OF GIVEN YOU SOME OF THAT 6493 03:24:12.006 --> 03:24:13.018 INFORMATION OUT KNOW IF HAD IT 6494 03:24:13.018 --> 03:24:14.000 ALREADY YOU PROBABLY HAVE. HOW 6495 03:24:14.000 --> 03:24:17.007 DOES THAT AFFECT THE 75 BEDS 6496 03:24:17.007 --> 03:24:19.015 AT REGIONAL IF WE KNOW THAT A 6497 03:24:19.015 --> 03:24:20.005 WHOLE POPULATION THAT ACCEPTS 6498 03:24:20.005 --> 03:24:22.018 THAT THAT USES MEDI-CAL IS NOT 6499 03:24:22.018 --> 03:24:24.002 BEING ACCEPTED ANYMORE 6500 03:24:24.002 --> 03:24:26.026 AT REGIONAL? >> WELL FIRST 6501 03:24:26.026 --> 03:24:27.020 OF ALL I WAS UNDER THE 6502 03:24:27.020 --> 03:24:28.000 IMPRESSION AND I GUESS I'M 6503 03:24:28.000 --> 03:24:30.007 WRONG THAT >> THERE WAS SOME 6504 03:24:30.007 --> 03:24:32.011 KIND OF RENEGOTIATION GOING ON 6505 03:24:32.011 --> 03:24:34.014 WITH THE MEDICAL ASSISTANCE 6506 03:24:34.014 --> 03:24:35.022 COMMISSION AND REGIONAL WAS 6507 03:24:35.022 --> 03:24:36.011 COMING BACK IN. I DIDN'T KNOW 6508 03:24:36.011 --> 03:24:39.023 THAT THAT THAT THAT ACTUALLY AS 6509 03:24:39.023 --> 03:24:40.000 >> A FINAL UNLESS IT HAS 6510 03:24:40.000 --> 03:24:42.017 HAPPENED >> WITHIN THE LAST 48 6511 03:24:42.017 --> 03:24:43.019 HOURS I'M STILL UNDER THE 6512 03:24:43.019 --> 03:24:45.001 INSANE IMPRESSION THAT THEY 6513 03:24:45.001 --> 03:24:47.022 HAVE IT WHAT HAPPENS >> WITH 6514 03:24:47.022 --> 03:24:49.007 THIS STUPID MEDI-CAL PROGRAM 6515 03:24:49.007 --> 03:24:55.007 WELL IT'S COMPLETELY 6516 03:24:55.007 --> 03:24:56.022 UNDERFUNDED IT'S ABSOLUTELY 6517 03:24:56.022 --> 03:24:57.002 ABSURD THEY'RE PAYING HOSPITALS 6518 03:24:57.002 --> 03:25:01.022 AND DOCTORS YOU KNOW, HALF OR A 6519 03:25:01.022 --> 03:25:02.019 THIRD OF COSTS IN MANY 6520 03:25:02.019 --> 03:25:04.017 SITUATIONS AND YET THEY EXPECT 6521 03:25:04.017 --> 03:25:06.011 PEOPLE TO CONTINUE PLAYING IN 6522 03:25:06.011 --> 03:25:08.024 THE PROGRAM. AND SO WHAT 6523 03:25:08.024 --> 03:25:09.013 HOSPITALS >> QUITE OFTEN IS 6524 03:25:09.013 --> 03:25:11.018 THEY PLAY A GAME OF CHICKEN 6525 03:25:11.018 --> 03:25:12.026 WITH THE STATE WHICH I THINK IS 6526 03:25:12.026 --> 03:25:13.024 IRRESPONSIBLE >> BUT IN A 6527 03:25:13.024 --> 03:25:15.025 UNLESS THEY GIVE NOTICE >> 6528 03:25:15.025 --> 03:25:17.012 THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO GIVE LIKE 6529 03:25:17.012 --> 03:25:18.019 120 DAYS NOTICE THEY'RE GOING 6530 03:25:18.019 --> 03:25:19.005 TO CANCEL THEIR CONTRACT THEY 6531 03:25:19.005 --> 03:25:21.008 DO THAT AS A NEGOTIATING PLOY 6532 03:25:21.008 --> 03:25:23.026 AND THEN SOMEONE BLINKS MAYBE 6533 03:25:23.026 --> 03:25:24.012 AND THEY GET A BETTER INCREASE 6534 03:25:24.012 --> 03:25:26.025 THAN THEY WOULD HAVE IN THIS 6535 03:25:26.025 --> 03:25:27.011 SITUATION. I GUESS REGIONAL 6536 03:25:27.011 --> 03:25:29.011 MEANT IT AND WHAT PUZZLES ME IS 6537 03:25:29.011 --> 03:25:32.028 I HAVE NOT ANALYZED >> THE 6538 03:25:32.028 --> 03:25:33.014 REGIONAL SITUATION IN THAT WAY 6539 03:25:33.014 --> 03:25:35.009 BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY CAN 6540 03:25:35.009 --> 03:25:36.024 ADD 75 BEDS AND CUT OUT MAYBE A 6541 03:25:36.024 --> 03:25:38.016 THIRD OF THEIR PATIENTS. 6542 03:25:38.016 --> 03:25:40.026 SOMETHING DOESN'T JUST ADD UP 6543 03:25:40.026 --> 03:25:42.023 TO ME THERE BUT IF THEY 6544 03:25:42.023 --> 03:25:44.005 ACTUALLY >> DO THAT IT DOES 6545 03:25:44.005 --> 03:25:47.001 CHANGE THE DYNAMIC I MENTIONED 6546 03:25:47.001 --> 03:25:53.026 IN THE REPORT IN TERMS OF THE 6547 03:25:53.026 --> 03:25:54.009 JOINT >> PLANNING PROCESS AND 6548 03:25:54.009 --> 03:25:57.020 IN WORKING WITH VARIOUS 6549 03:25:57.020 --> 03:25:58.027 HOSPITALS THAT YOU HAVE TO LOOK 6550 03:25:58.027 --> 03:25:59.013 AT THE HOSPITAL TRACK RECORDS 6551 03:25:59.013 --> 03:26:01.003 >> AND I GAVE AN EXAMPLE 6552 03:26:01.003 --> 03:26:05.026 OF VALLEY MEDICAL CENTER >> 6553 03:26:05.026 --> 03:26:06.024 WORKING LIKE TO TRY TO PICK >> 6554 03:26:06.024 --> 03:26:08.011 UP THE PIECES LOSING A TRAUMA 6555 03:26:08.011 --> 03:26:11.003 CENTER AND TO TRY TO THEY WENT 6556 03:26:11.003 --> 03:26:14.008 TO THE BOARD. THEY 6557 03:26:14.008 --> 03:26:15.010 GOT AUTHORIZATION TO INCREASE 6558 03:26:15.010 --> 03:26:17.025 AND TO ACCOMMODATE >> THE 6559 03:26:17.025 --> 03:26:20.009 DIVERTED TRAUMA PATIENTS. AND 6560 03:26:20.009 --> 03:26:22.020 THEN I LOOKED AT THE SAME TIME 6561 03:26:22.020 --> 03:26:23.021 I MENTIONED THAT REGIONAL WAS 6562 03:26:23.021 --> 03:26:25.023 IN THE PROCESS >> OF DROPPING 6563 03:26:25.023 --> 03:26:26.003 OUT OF THE MEDICAL PROGRAM. 6564 03:26:26.003 --> 03:26:30.001 THAT'S SOMETHING >> REGIONAL IS 6565 03:26:30.001 --> 03:26:31.015 GOING TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH IF 6566 03:26:31.015 --> 03:26:32.022 THEY DON'T WANT A COMPETING 6567 03:26:32.022 --> 03:26:33.022 HOSPITAL DOWNTOWN AND THEY ONLY 6568 03:26:33.022 --> 03:26:36.026 WANT TO PLAY WITH THE PRIDE 6569 03:26:36.026 --> 03:26:37.005 WITH PRIVATE PATIENTS THEY'RE 6570 03:26:37.005 --> 03:26:39.012 GOING TO THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE 6571 03:26:39.012 --> 03:26:41.011 QUITE A HURDLE TO OVERCOME. THE 6572 03:26:41.011 --> 03:26:44.024 BEST OF ALL WORLDS WOULD HAVE 6573 03:26:44.024 --> 03:26:45.010 BEEN WITH REGIONALS CLOSURE 6574 03:26:45.010 --> 03:26:49.026 EXCUSE ME WITH SAN JOSE MEDICAL 6575 03:26:49.026 --> 03:26:50.021 CENTER'S CLOSURE HAD REGIONAL 6576 03:26:50.021 --> 03:26:52.029 IN GOOD FAITH ACCOMMODATED THAT 6577 03:26:52.029 --> 03:26:55.023 AND ABSORBED THEIR TERTIARY 6578 03:26:55.023 --> 03:26:57.020 SERVICES AND REMAINED AVAILABLE 6579 03:26:57.020 --> 03:26:59.000 TO THE MEDI-CAL POPULATION. I 6580 03:26:59.000 --> 03:27:01.023 THINK THEY COULD HAVE MADE A 6581 03:27:01.023 --> 03:27:01.027 GOOD CASE THAT THEY COULD SERVE 6582 03:27:01.027 --> 03:27:04.001 THE DOWNTOWN AREA WITH THEIR 6583 03:27:04.001 --> 03:27:07.023 SERVICES AND IF THEY ALSO 6584 03:27:07.023 --> 03:27:08.001 SUBSIDIZED OUTPATIENT SERVICES 6585 03:27:08.001 --> 03:27:11.027 AND TRANSPORTATION SERVICES IN 6586 03:27:11.027 --> 03:27:12.004 THE DOWNTOWN. BUT THAT JUST 6587 03:27:12.004 --> 03:27:14.000 THREW A MONKEY WRENCH IN THE 6588 03:27:14.000 --> 03:27:15.005 WHOLE THING AND I >> AND I 6589 03:27:15.005 --> 03:27:17.027 ACTUALLY DIDN'T INTEND TO DO 6590 03:27:17.027 --> 03:27:18.029 THAT. BUT I THINK THAT THAT 6591 03:27:18.029 --> 03:27:19.007 THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WASN'T 6592 03:27:19.007 --> 03:27:21.015 ADDRESSED BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T 6593 03:27:21.015 --> 03:27:22.015 HAVE THAT INFORMATION IN THE 6594 03:27:22.015 --> 03:27:23.006 STUDY. AND AND I THINK IF WE'RE 6595 03:27:23.006 --> 03:27:25.025 LOOKING AT THIS BEYOND JUST 6596 03:27:25.025 --> 03:27:27.019 DOWNTOWN AS A WHOLE CITY OR A 6597 03:27:27.019 --> 03:27:29.009 WHOLE COUNTY, THAT'S SOMETHING 6598 03:27:29.009 --> 03:27:32.000 THAT NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED. 6599 03:27:32.000 --> 03:27:34.011 AND I THINK THAT WHEN IN THE 6600 03:27:34.011 --> 03:27:38.002 MOTION >> AND WHEN STAFF COMES 6601 03:27:38.002 --> 03:27:40.009 BACK IN 30 DAYS THAT MAY BE 6602 03:27:40.009 --> 03:27:41.004 SOMETHING THAT WE ALSO LOOK 6603 03:27:41.004 --> 03:27:43.026 AT HOW DOES THAT AFFECT WHAT'S 6604 03:27:43.026 --> 03:27:45.023 WHAT IT REGIONAL IS CURRENTLY 6605 03:27:45.023 --> 03:27:47.002 AND IN RELATIONSHIPS >> TO 6606 03:27:47.002 --> 03:27:49.024 DOWNTOWN YEAH YEAH THANK YOU >> 6607 03:27:49.024 --> 03:27:51.006 THAT WAS MY ONLY QUESTION OKAY 6608 03:27:51.006 --> 03:27:53.023 >> CUSTOMER GREGORY THANK YOU 6609 03:27:53.023 --> 03:27:55.018 SO MAYOR I ALSO WANT TO THANK 6610 03:27:55.018 --> 03:27:57.029 THE COALITION FOR KEEPING THIS 6611 03:27:57.029 --> 03:27:59.006 ISSUE ON THE TABLE. IT'S IT'S 6612 03:27:59.006 --> 03:28:01.009 AN IMPORTANT ONE THAT WE HAVE 6613 03:28:01.009 --> 03:28:02.012 TO FIND COLLECTIVELY FIND SOME 6614 03:28:02.012 --> 03:28:04.017 SOLUTION FOR AND THANK YOU FOR 6615 03:28:04.017 --> 03:28:06.016 YOUR REPORT. THE QUESTION THAT 6616 03:28:06.016 --> 03:28:08.002 I HAVE IS ON THE DROP YOU 6617 03:28:08.002 --> 03:28:12.022 SHOWED FROM 1993 TO 2000 2003 6618 03:28:12.022 --> 03:28:15.002 2003 AND IT SHOWED THAT THERE 6619 03:28:15.002 --> 03:28:18.003 WAS AN INCREASE UP UNTIL ABOUT 6620 03:28:18.003 --> 03:28:21.029 1996 AND THEN THERE'S A DROP 6621 03:28:21.029 --> 03:28:23.005 OFF BUT WITHIN WITHIN THAT 6622 03:28:23.005 --> 03:28:26.015 FRAME HOW DO YOU >> HOW DO YOU 6623 03:28:26.015 --> 03:28:30.015 VIEW THE DROP OFF WHEN YOU LOOK 6624 03:28:30.015 --> 03:28:33.009 IN TERMS OF INPATIENT VERSUS 6625 03:28:33.009 --> 03:28:36.026 OUTPATIENT AND ALSO >> THE UNIT 6626 03:28:36.026 --> 03:28:38.028 THAT WAS ALL INPATIENT THAT WAS 6627 03:28:38.028 --> 03:28:40.004 INPATIENT DISCHARGES >> SO WAS 6628 03:28:40.004 --> 03:28:44.000 IT WAS IT OKAY BUT AT THE SAME 6629 03:28:44.000 --> 03:28:48.004 TIME WAS THERE AN INCREASE IN 6630 03:28:48.004 --> 03:28:49.000 OUTPATIENT USAGE? I DON'T KNOW 6631 03:28:49.000 --> 03:28:52.021 >> BUT I WOULD DOUBT IT I DON'T 6632 03:28:52.021 --> 03:28:53.011 KNOW. SO >> YOU WERE SO YOU'RE 6633 03:28:53.011 --> 03:28:56.027 SUPPOSING THAT THE OUTPATIENT 6634 03:28:56.027 --> 03:28:57.001 USAGE >> STAYED CONSISTENT? I 6635 03:28:57.001 --> 03:29:02.021 >> DID REALLY DIDN'T FOCUS ON 6636 03:29:02.021 --> 03:29:03.011 THAT I >> WAS JUST LOOKED AT I 6637 03:29:03.011 --> 03:29:05.005 HAD TO LOOK IT OUT AT INPATIENT 6638 03:29:05.005 --> 03:29:07.007 DISCHARGE IS THAT'S ALL I 6639 03:29:07.007 --> 03:29:08.021 LOOKED AT AT THAT >> POINT. 6640 03:29:08.021 --> 03:29:09.000 OKAY NOW I THINK THAT THERE 6641 03:29:09.000 --> 03:29:11.001 WOULD BE SOMETHING HELPFUL IF 6642 03:29:11.001 --> 03:29:12.027 WE KNEW IF WE UNDERSTOOD THE 6643 03:29:12.027 --> 03:29:14.011 DYNAMIC THERE BECAUSE YOU COULD 6644 03:29:14.011 --> 03:29:16.014 HAVE HAD THEY COULD IF >> YOU 6645 03:29:16.014 --> 03:29:19.001 GO BACK TO 1993 AND LOOK AT THE 6646 03:29:19.001 --> 03:29:21.028 INCREASE, IT COULD BEEN A 6647 03:29:21.028 --> 03:29:21.004 COMBINATION OF INPATIENT AND 6648 03:29:21.004 --> 03:29:24.008 OUTPATIENT WELL AND THEN WHERE 6649 03:29:24.008 --> 03:29:26.027 >> THE DROP OFF IS IT COULD BE 6650 03:29:26.027 --> 03:29:27.021 THAT THE THE OUTPATIENT STUFF 6651 03:29:27.021 --> 03:29:29.020 CONTINUE TO GROW >> BUT THE 6652 03:29:29.020 --> 03:29:30.010 INPATIENT DROPPED I THINK IT'S 6653 03:29:30.010 --> 03:29:32.008 SIGNIFICANT. I THINK IT'S 6654 03:29:32.008 --> 03:29:33.021 DOUBTFUL BECAUSE THE INPATIENT 6655 03:29:33.021 --> 03:29:34.021 AND ALL THE OTHER HOSPITALS 6656 03:29:34.021 --> 03:29:35.011 WENT UP AND THE NON COUNTY 6657 03:29:35.011 --> 03:29:38.014 HOSPITALS MOST OF THEIR 6658 03:29:38.014 --> 03:29:39.009 OUTPATIENT STUFF IS >> 6659 03:29:39.009 --> 03:29:40.014 EMERGENCY ROOM THEY DON'T HAVE 6660 03:29:40.014 --> 03:29:42.023 OUTPATIENT CLINICS LIKE COUNTY 6661 03:29:42.023 --> 03:29:43.015 HOSPITAL DO SO IF THEIR 6662 03:29:43.015 --> 03:29:46.008 EMERGENCY VISITS WENT UP 6663 03:29:46.008 --> 03:29:48.018 CHANCES ARE THEIR OUTPATIENT 6664 03:29:48.018 --> 03:29:49.021 ACTIVITY, THEIR INPATIENT 6665 03:29:49.021 --> 03:29:50.028 ACTIVITY WOULD HAVE ALSO GONE 6666 03:29:50.028 --> 03:29:51.004 UP. OKAY. SO I REALLY DON'T 6667 03:29:51.004 --> 03:29:54.024 THINK >> THAT THAT'S A FACTOR 6668 03:29:54.024 --> 03:29:55.004 COUNCILMEMBER GREGORY JIM 6669 03:29:55.004 --> 03:29:58.007 HELGERSON, CITY MANAGER, THE 6670 03:29:58.007 --> 03:30:00.029 OTHER REASON JIM JIM >> JUST 6671 03:30:00.029 --> 03:30:01.025 TALKING TO THIS IS A SOAP OPERA 6672 03:30:01.025 --> 03:30:04.029 JUST JUST TALKING TO THE MIKE. 6673 03:30:04.029 --> 03:30:05.025 OKAY, GARY, YOU WANT TO TALK 6674 03:30:05.025 --> 03:30:07.021 TERRY I'LL JUST HAVE TO SORRY, 6675 03:30:07.021 --> 03:30:09.015 TERRY. I RECOGNIZE YOU. IMAGINE 6676 03:30:09.015 --> 03:30:11.019 TWO EYES >> ON THE TOPIC THAT 6677 03:30:11.019 --> 03:30:14.014 THE OTHER REASON FOR THE 6678 03:30:14.014 --> 03:30:15.015 DECLINE IN USAGE IS THERE 6679 03:30:15.015 --> 03:30:16.007 ACTUALLY WAS A REDUCTION IN THE 6680 03:30:16.007 --> 03:30:18.027 PROGRAM IN THE ACTUAL PROVISION 6681 03:30:18.027 --> 03:30:19.010 OF SERVICE AT SAN JOSE MEDICAL 6682 03:30:19.010 --> 03:30:21.014 SERVICE CENTER OVER THOSE YEARS 6683 03:30:21.014 --> 03:30:23.019 INCLUDING A VERY IMPORTANT 6684 03:30:23.019 --> 03:30:24.004 COMPONENT PEDIATRICS >> AND SO 6685 03:30:24.004 --> 03:30:28.000 THE GRADUALLY OVER THE YEARS A 6686 03:30:28.000 --> 03:30:30.013 VARIETY OF SERVICES WERE CUT >> 6687 03:30:30.013 --> 03:30:32.011 IN TERMS OF ACA PROVIDING THOSE 6688 03:30:32.011 --> 03:30:35.007 SERVICES AT THE CENTER. OKAY. 6689 03:30:35.007 --> 03:30:38.026 THANK YOU. NOW ON THE ON ACCESS 6690 03:30:38.026 --> 03:30:40.028 TO REGIONAL DOWNTOWN, YOU'RE 6691 03:30:40.028 --> 03:30:42.006 SAYING THAT THERE'S THERE'S 6692 03:30:42.006 --> 03:30:44.001 ONLY ONE BUS LINE >> THERE'S 6693 03:30:44.001 --> 03:30:46.006 ONLY ONE DIRECT THAT YOU CAN 6694 03:30:46.006 --> 03:30:48.017 TRANSFER AND THERE'S A COUPLE 6695 03:30:48.017 --> 03:30:49.013 OF ALTERNATIVES IF SOMEONE 6696 03:30:49.013 --> 03:30:50.006 TRANSFERS BUT THERE IS ONE >> 6697 03:30:50.006 --> 03:30:52.027 DIRECT BUS WHICH ISN'T TERRIBLY 6698 03:30:52.027 --> 03:30:53.015 BAD IT'S THIS I IT'S WITHIN ONE 6699 03:30:53.015 --> 03:30:56.019 BLOCK >> AND IT'S ON EACH SIDE 6700 03:30:56.019 --> 03:30:59.028 THAT'S IT GOING TO THE OTHER 6701 03:30:59.028 --> 03:31:00.005 HOSPITALS ENTAILS SEVERAL 6702 03:31:00.005 --> 03:31:03.013 BUSSES. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK 6703 03:31:03.013 --> 03:31:05.006 YOU VERY MUCH. THOSE ARE THE 6704 03:31:05.006 --> 03:31:06.013 QUESTIONS I HAVE. ALL RIGHT. 6705 03:31:06.013 --> 03:31:07.010 THANK YOU, TERRY. 6706 03:31:07.010 --> 03:31:08.018 CUSTOMER COURTESY. THANK YOU. I 6707 03:31:08.018 --> 03:31:11.013 THINK I KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS 6708 03:31:11.013 --> 03:31:12.001 ALREADY BUT WAS IT PART OF DID 6709 03:31:12.001 --> 03:31:15.004 YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY OR IS A 6710 03:31:15.004 --> 03:31:16.000 PART OF YOUR CHARGE OR YOUR 6711 03:31:16.000 --> 03:31:18.016 WORK AT ALL TO GO BACK TO THE 6712 03:31:18.016 --> 03:31:20.001 SETTLEMENT >> AGREEMENT THAT 6713 03:31:20.001 --> 03:31:22.012 HCA MADE WITH THE ATTORNEY 6714 03:31:22.012 --> 03:31:23.029 GENERAL'S OFFICE AND OTHERS IN 6715 03:31:23.029 --> 03:31:24.000 THE LATE NINETIES WHERE THEY 6716 03:31:24.000 --> 03:31:27.012 AMONG OTHER THINGS PROMISED TO 6717 03:31:27.012 --> 03:31:29.021 PROVIDE A CERTAIN LEVEL OF CARE 6718 03:31:29.021 --> 03:31:31.027 IN THE SAN JOSE COMMUNITY. I 6719 03:31:31.027 --> 03:31:32.015 DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAD AN 6720 03:31:32.015 --> 03:31:33.024 OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT THAT IN 6721 03:31:33.024 --> 03:31:35.026 TERMS OF WHETHER OR NOT THIS 6722 03:31:35.026 --> 03:31:37.014 CURRENT ACTION BRINGS THEM OUT 6723 03:31:37.014 --> 03:31:39.015 OF COMPLIANCE. BUT YOU KNEW THE 6724 03:31:39.015 --> 03:31:40.019 ANSWER. I HOPE YOU'RE NOT 6725 03:31:40.019 --> 03:31:41.013 DISAPPOINTED WITH THE ANSWER 6726 03:31:41.013 --> 03:31:43.013 NO. OKAY. THAT'S >> WHY I JUST 6727 03:31:43.013 --> 03:31:45.023 BEFORE IT'S ALREADY BEEN DONE I 6728 03:31:45.023 --> 03:31:46.007 WANTED TO SEE IT. I'M JUST 6729 03:31:46.007 --> 03:31:48.000 WONDERING, RICK, IF I DON'T 6730 03:31:48.000 --> 03:31:50.000 KNOW IF YOU HEARD THE QUESTION 6731 03:31:50.000 --> 03:31:52.021 BUT IF IT SEEMS LIKE THAT MAY 6732 03:31:52.021 --> 03:31:53.027 BE WITHIN THE SCOPE 6733 03:31:53.027 --> 03:31:55.026 OF SOMETHING THAT'S LEGITIMATE 6734 03:31:55.026 --> 03:31:56.021 FOR THE ATTORNEY TO LOOK AT AND 6735 03:31:56.021 --> 03:31:58.026 THAT WOULD BE GOING BACK TO THE 6736 03:31:58.026 --> 03:31:59.001 SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT BETWEEN 6737 03:31:59.001 --> 03:32:01.020 HCA AND THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S 6738 03:32:01.020 --> 03:32:03.021 OFFICE >> FROM THE LATE 6739 03:32:03.021 --> 03:32:04.029 NINETIES I THINK IT WAS 98 OR 6740 03:32:04.029 --> 03:32:05.013 99 I COULD GET MORE I CAN GET 6741 03:32:05.013 --> 03:32:07.002 THAT INFORMATION MORE 6742 03:32:07.002 --> 03:32:08.011 SPECIFICALLY FOR YOU WHEREBY 6743 03:32:08.011 --> 03:32:12.013 PRIOR TO BEING A COUNCILMEMBER 6744 03:32:12.013 --> 03:32:13.007 HAVING >> BEEN INVOLVED DOING 6745 03:32:13.007 --> 03:32:15.005 PRO BONO WORK ON THAT SUIT I 6746 03:32:15.005 --> 03:32:17.028 KNOW THAT HCA AS PART OF THAT 6747 03:32:17.028 --> 03:32:18.002 SETTLEMENT HAD TO AGREE TO 6748 03:32:18.002 --> 03:32:20.018 MAINTAIN A LEVEL OF OF SERVICE 6749 03:32:20.018 --> 03:32:22.006 IN THE COMMUNITY IN THE IN THE 6750 03:32:22.006 --> 03:32:24.023 GREATER SAN JOSE COMMUNITY 6751 03:32:24.023 --> 03:32:25.019 WHICH WHICH MAY HAVE WELL AS I 6752 03:32:25.019 --> 03:32:28.022 RECALL IN SAN JOSE MEDICAL 6753 03:32:28.022 --> 03:32:31.029 CENTER BEING IN EXISTENCE 6754 03:32:31.029 --> 03:32:32.011 OBVIOUSLY AT THAT AND I'M JUST 6755 03:32:32.011 --> 03:32:34.021 WONDERING IF THAT THAT'S 6756 03:32:34.021 --> 03:32:36.020 SOMETHING YOU CAN LOOK AT TO 6757 03:32:36.020 --> 03:32:37.002 SEE IF THIS PARTICULAR ACTION 6758 03:32:37.002 --> 03:32:40.015 BRINGS THEM OUT OF COMPLIANCE 6759 03:32:40.015 --> 03:32:41.026 IN ANY WAY WITH THAT. YEAH, WE 6760 03:32:41.026 --> 03:32:42.029 COULD DO THAT. THINK THE 6761 03:32:42.029 --> 03:32:43.007 RECOMMENDATION IN THE MEMO IS 6762 03:32:43.007 --> 03:32:45.026 TO COME BACK WITH VARIOUS STAFF 6763 03:32:45.026 --> 03:32:47.003 ISSUES AND WE CAN CERTAINLY 6764 03:32:47.003 --> 03:32:50.008 LOOK AT THAT AND INCLUDE THAT 6765 03:32:50.008 --> 03:32:51.014 IN THE REPORT. GREAT. THANK 6766 03:32:51.014 --> 03:32:52.028 YOU. CAN I JUST THAT HAS SOME 6767 03:32:52.028 --> 03:32:53.018 INFORMATION ON THAT BEFORE WE 6768 03:32:53.018 --> 03:32:55.010 GO TO MR.. SO CAN YOU JUST SET 6769 03:32:55.010 --> 03:32:57.011 A POINT HERE AND MAYBE ASK RICK 6770 03:32:57.011 --> 03:32:59.022 TO COMMENT ON WHEN >> THIS 6771 03:32:59.022 --> 03:33:00.019 FIRST STARTED WE REFERRED AND 6772 03:33:00.019 --> 03:33:02.012 SENT A LETTER TO THE STATE 6773 03:33:02.012 --> 03:33:04.014 ATTORNEY GENERAL ASKING FOR 6774 03:33:04.014 --> 03:33:07.020 THEM TO INVESTIGATE. I THINK 6775 03:33:07.020 --> 03:33:08.021 THIS VERY ISSUE I DON'T 6776 03:33:08.021 --> 03:33:09.027 REMEMBER THE WHOLE CONTEXT 6777 03:33:09.027 --> 03:33:10.018 OF THE LETTER MAYBE MR. 6778 03:33:10.018 --> 03:33:12.021 CYLINDERS TOO BUT WE'VE GOTTEN 6779 03:33:12.021 --> 03:33:14.003 NO RESPONSE ON THAT HERE. NOT 6780 03:33:14.003 --> 03:33:16.011 >> THAT I'VE SEEN. OKAY. MR. 6781 03:33:16.011 --> 03:33:17.020 SOLON >> WELL A COUPLE 6782 03:33:17.020 --> 03:33:19.025 OF ISSUES THE ATTORNEY GENERAL 6783 03:33:19.025 --> 03:33:20.024 BASED UPON YOUR QUERY AND 6784 03:33:20.024 --> 03:33:22.005 VARIOUS QUERIES FROM THE COUNTY 6785 03:33:22.005 --> 03:33:24.011 AND VARIOUS OTHER QUERIES HAS 6786 03:33:24.011 --> 03:33:26.018 SAID THEY HAVE NOTHING TO DO 6787 03:33:26.018 --> 03:33:27.007 WITH THIS THING. OKAY I THINK 6788 03:33:27.007 --> 03:33:29.027 THEY JUST BAIL OUT. I CAN JUST 6789 03:33:29.027 --> 03:33:30.027 >> IN TURN I CAN JUST IF I 6790 03:33:30.027 --> 03:33:31.006 COULD JUST CLARIFY THERE'S A 6791 03:33:31.006 --> 03:33:33.014 THERE'S A FEDERAL COURT ORDER 6792 03:33:33.014 --> 03:33:34.021 IN EXISTENCE THAT'S STILL 6793 03:33:34.021 --> 03:33:35.007 ENFORCEABLE FACT PECO CONNER IS 6794 03:33:35.007 --> 03:33:38.025 ADMINISTERING THE FUNDS THAT 6795 03:33:38.025 --> 03:33:40.027 THE CHARITABLE TRUST THAT WAS 6796 03:33:40.027 --> 03:33:42.025 CREATED BY THAT FEDERAL ORDER 6797 03:33:42.025 --> 03:33:43.002 AND IT'S STILL IN FORCE BUT IT 6798 03:33:43.002 --> 03:33:45.020 STILL EXISTS I WAS AS AN 6799 03:33:45.020 --> 03:33:47.012 ATTORNEY A PARTY TO THAT 6800 03:33:47.012 --> 03:33:50.025 AGREEMENT. I KNOW THAT EXISTS 6801 03:33:50.025 --> 03:33:51.021 WHETHER OR NOT THIS PARTICULAR 6802 03:33:51.021 --> 03:33:53.001 HOSPITAL IN AND OF ITSELF THIS 6803 03:33:53.001 --> 03:33:56.012 CLOSURE WOULD INTEREST THE 6804 03:33:56.012 --> 03:33:57.019 ATTORNEY GENERAL AS A SEPARATE 6805 03:33:57.019 --> 03:33:58.006 TRANSACTION MAY BE WHERE THE 6806 03:33:58.006 --> 03:34:00.024 DISTINCTION IS. BUT TO GO BACK 6807 03:34:00.024 --> 03:34:01.019 TO THE PRIOR AGREEMENT AND SEE 6808 03:34:01.019 --> 03:34:03.000 IF THERE'S SOME BASIS FOR 6809 03:34:03.000 --> 03:34:05.018 ENFORCEABILITY, THAT'S YEAH AND 6810 03:34:05.018 --> 03:34:06.020 THAT CAN ALL BE INVESTIGATED 6811 03:34:06.020 --> 03:34:07.024 BUT THAT HAD TO DO WITH THE 6812 03:34:07.024 --> 03:34:08.005 SALE OF A GOOD SAM THE GOOD 6813 03:34:08.005 --> 03:34:14.006 SAMARITAN HOSPITAL WHEN >> I 6814 03:34:14.006 --> 03:34:16.003 WAS REFERRING TO THE SALE 6815 03:34:16.003 --> 03:34:17.017 BECAUSE HCA CAME IN THEY DID 6816 03:34:17.017 --> 03:34:18.018 THEIR USUAL THING >> THEY CAME 6817 03:34:18.018 --> 03:34:19.020 IN BOUGHT THREE HOSPITALS 6818 03:34:19.020 --> 03:34:20.000 CLOSED ONE OF THEM PROBABLY 6819 03:34:20.000 --> 03:34:22.007 CLOSED ANOTHER ONE IN A COUPLE 6820 03:34:22.007 --> 03:34:23.018 OF YEARS. IT JUST >> TO CLARIFY 6821 03:34:23.018 --> 03:34:24.000 JUST A HEADS UP I WAS >> 6822 03:34:24.000 --> 03:34:26.003 REFERRING TO LEXIE AND IN FACT 6823 03:34:26.003 --> 03:34:27.021 I THINK YOU'RE ON THE BOARD 6824 03:34:27.021 --> 03:34:27.029 OF SUPERVISORS AT THE TIME. RON 6825 03:34:27.029 --> 03:34:28.018 THAT WAS A WHOLE SIMILAR 6826 03:34:28.018 --> 03:34:30.023 TRANSACTION BUT THAT ONE 6827 03:34:30.023 --> 03:34:31.006 ACTUALLY DID RESULT IN A COURT 6828 03:34:31.006 --> 03:34:33.022 ORDER AND IT HAS THE ATTORNEY 6829 03:34:33.022 --> 03:34:35.027 GENERAL SOME JURISDICTION OVER 6830 03:34:35.027 --> 03:34:36.012 IT >> AND OBVIOUSLY IF WANT 6831 03:34:36.012 --> 03:34:39.001 YOUR ATTORNEY TO LOOK INTO IT 6832 03:34:39.001 --> 03:34:41.004 YOU KNOW >> THAT THAT THAT'S 6833 03:34:41.004 --> 03:34:43.028 FINE. WELL ALL I'M IS THAT THEY 6834 03:34:43.028 --> 03:34:45.010 MET THE VERY PALTRY 6835 03:34:45.010 --> 03:34:48.025 REQUIREMENTS OF THAT ATTORNEY 6836 03:34:48.025 --> 03:34:49.018 GENERAL'S AGREEMENT IN ORDER TO 6837 03:34:49.018 --> 03:34:51.023 TO SELL THAT HOSPITAL HAD 6838 03:34:51.023 --> 03:34:52.027 MOSTLY DO A CHARITY AND IT ONLY 6839 03:34:52.027 --> 03:34:54.021 WAS FOR A THREE YEAR DURATION 6840 03:34:54.021 --> 03:34:56.015 WHICH WAS WELL OVER BY NOW. ALL 6841 03:34:56.015 --> 03:34:58.000 RIGHT. WE'LL LOOK INTO >> THAT. 6842 03:34:58.000 --> 03:35:00.011 ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE ANOTHER 6843 03:35:00.011 --> 03:35:01.017 COUNSEL QUESTION SO WE'LL GO TO 6844 03:35:01.017 --> 03:35:02.020 THE PUBLIC. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE 6845 03:35:02.020 --> 03:35:03.024 EACH PUBLIC SPEAKER 2 MINUTES. 6846 03:35:03.024 --> 03:35:05.018 I JUST WOULD ASK THAT YOU TRY 6847 03:35:05.018 --> 03:35:07.015 TO BE AS DISTINCTIVE POSSIBLE 6848 03:35:07.015 --> 03:35:09.011 AND TRY NOT TO REPEAT PREVIOUS 6849 03:35:09.011 --> 03:35:11.006 SPEAKERS. I THINK WE KNOW HOW 6850 03:35:11.006 --> 03:35:13.026 SUPPORTIVE ARE OF THIS ISSUE. 6851 03:35:13.026 --> 03:35:15.000 WE'RE GOING TO CALL THREE NAMES 6852 03:35:15.000 --> 03:35:17.018 AT A TIME IF YOU HAVE NEVER 6853 03:35:17.018 --> 03:35:18.017 BEEN TO A CITY COUNCIL MEETING 6854 03:35:18.017 --> 03:35:19.013 THERE ARE SOME >> LIGHTS UP 6855 03:35:19.013 --> 03:35:20.002 HERE. GREEN LIGHT WILL GO ON. 6856 03:35:20.002 --> 03:35:22.026 IT'S ON TOP OF THE COUNTER 6857 03:35:22.026 --> 03:35:22.011 HERE. GREEN LIGHT WILL GO ON 6858 03:35:22.011 --> 03:35:24.017 WHEN YOUR 2 MINUTES HAVE BEGUN 6859 03:35:24.017 --> 03:35:25.023 YELLOW LIGHT WHEN YOU HAVE 30 6860 03:35:25.023 --> 03:35:26.005 SECONDS RED LIGHT WHEN YOUR 6861 03:35:26.005 --> 03:35:29.007 TIME IS EXPIRED AND I WILL ASK 6862 03:35:29.007 --> 03:35:31.008 YOU TO STOP SPEAKING AT THAT 6863 03:35:31.008 --> 03:35:32.002 TIME FIRST THREE SPEAKERS I 6864 03:35:32.002 --> 03:35:34.029 GREG MILLER KNOCKED >> ON AND 6865 03:35:34.029 --> 03:35:37.003 THEN TEN COUNT AGAIN >> IF WE 6866 03:35:37.003 --> 03:35:44.025 GET ALL THREE OF YOU LINED UP. 6867 03:35:44.025 --> 03:35:46.016 HELLO SIR. YOU HAVE 2 MINUTES. 6868 03:35:46.016 --> 03:35:48.011 I I WORK AS A REGISTERED NURSE 6869 03:35:48.011 --> 03:35:50.015 AND I'M A MEMBER OF THE 6870 03:35:50.015 --> 03:35:51.025 CALIFORNIA NURSES ASSOCIATION 6871 03:35:51.025 --> 03:35:52.013 BOARD OF DIRECTORS. I WOULD 6872 03:35:52.013 --> 03:35:54.006 LIKE TO PROVIDE SOME 6873 03:35:54.006 --> 03:35:55.011 INFORMATION THAT IS BEYOND THE 6874 03:35:55.011 --> 03:35:56.025 SCOPE OF THIS STUDY BUT THAT IS 6875 03:35:56.025 --> 03:35:57.027 PERTINENT TO DISCUSSION DATA 6876 03:35:57.027 --> 03:35:59.023 FROM THE PUBLIC HEALTH 6877 03:35:59.023 --> 03:36:00.013 DEPARTMENT OF THE SANTA CLARA 6878 03:36:00.013 --> 03:36:02.010 VALLEY HEALTH HOSPITAL SYSTEM 6879 03:36:02.010 --> 03:36:04.021 TELLS US THAT PUBLIC HEALTH 6880 03:36:04.021 --> 03:36:05.022 REGIONS TWO, THREE AND FIVE 6881 03:36:05.022 --> 03:36:07.014 WHICH COINCIDE WITH DOWNTOWN 6882 03:36:07.014 --> 03:36:09.023 AND EAST SIDE SAN JOSE AND 6883 03:36:09.023 --> 03:36:10.003 MILPITAS LEAD COUNTY IN 6884 03:36:10.003 --> 03:36:13.007 HOSPITALIZATIONS DUE TO MOTOR 6885 03:36:13.007 --> 03:36:15.008 VEHICLE ACCIDENTS, ASSAULT 6886 03:36:15.008 --> 03:36:17.029 INJURIES OF ALL KINDS, 6887 03:36:17.029 --> 03:36:18.025 INCIDENTS OF TEENAGE BIRTHS, 6888 03:36:18.025 --> 03:36:20.026 INFANT DEATHS ANTIBIOTIC 6889 03:36:20.026 --> 03:36:22.015 RESISTANT INFECTIONS, 6890 03:36:22.015 --> 03:36:24.008 ALCOHOLISM DEATHS DUE CHRONIC 6891 03:36:24.008 --> 03:36:27.008 OBSTRUCTIVE PULMONARY DISEASE 6892 03:36:27.008 --> 03:36:29.002 LUNG CANCER CIRRHOSIS DIABETES, 6893 03:36:29.002 --> 03:36:32.012 CORONARY HEART DISEASE AND 6894 03:36:32.012 --> 03:36:33.016 CEREBROVASCULAR DISEASE THESE 6895 03:36:33.016 --> 03:36:35.018 ARE ALL CONDITIONS OFTEN 6896 03:36:35.018 --> 03:36:37.013 REQUIRE HOSPITAL CARE ALSO 6897 03:36:37.013 --> 03:36:40.029 SOLUTION A CHICAGO BASED >> 6898 03:36:40.029 --> 03:36:42.025 HEALTH CARE CONSULTING FIRM 6899 03:36:42.025 --> 03:36:44.008 RECENTLY ESTIMATED THAT 2027 6900 03:36:44.008 --> 03:36:47.018 ONLY 23 YEARS FROM NOW 6901 03:36:47.018 --> 03:36:49.012 SANTA CLARA COUNTY >> WILL NEED 6902 03:36:49.012 --> 03:36:51.007 2% MORE ACUTE >> CARE HOSPITAL 6903 03:36:51.007 --> 03:36:53.011 BEDS THAN IT HAS NOW. THE STUDY 6904 03:36:53.011 --> 03:36:55.022 PRESENTED SAYS THAT BY 2015 6905 03:36:55.022 --> 03:36:57.020 ONLY NINE YEARS FROM NOW WE 6906 03:36:57.020 --> 03:36:59.011 WILL BE SHORT 200 BEDS IN A 6907 03:36:59.011 --> 03:37:01.010 SMALLER SECTION OF THE COUNTY. 6908 03:37:01.010 --> 03:37:03.026 WHATEVER >> DATA WE LOOK AT WE 6909 03:37:03.026 --> 03:37:04.000 NEED TO START PLANNING AND 6910 03:37:04.000 --> 03:37:06.010 PUTTING TOGETHER THE RESOURCES 6911 03:37:06.010 --> 03:37:07.022 TO SUPPLY THESE BEDS AND A NEW 6912 03:37:07.022 --> 03:37:09.019 HOSPITAL DOWNTOWN USE THE 6913 03:37:09.019 --> 03:37:11.006 POWER, LEVERAGE AND INFLUENCE 6914 03:37:11.006 --> 03:37:13.000 YOU HAVE TO GAIN CONTROL OF THE 6915 03:37:13.000 --> 03:37:15.018 LAND AT 14TH AND SANTA CLARA 6916 03:37:15.018 --> 03:37:16.005 AND FACILITATE THE CONSTRUCTION 6917 03:37:16.005 --> 03:37:18.007 OF A NEW SAN JOSE MEDICAL 6918 03:37:18.007 --> 03:37:19.016 CENTER. THE RECOMMENDATION BY 6919 03:37:19.016 --> 03:37:21.020 MAYOR GONZALES AND 6920 03:37:21.020 --> 03:37:22.023 COUNCILMEMBERS CHAVEZ CAMPOS 6921 03:37:22.023 --> 03:37:24.012 AND CORTESE IS A STEP IN THE 6922 03:37:24.012 --> 03:37:26.004 RIGHT DIRECTION. THANK YOU ALL. 6923 03:37:26.004 --> 03:37:28.012 THANK YOU. KNOCK DANG. OKAY. 6924 03:37:28.012 --> 03:37:31.009 AND THEN TEN COWS 1010 HERE 6925 03:37:31.009 --> 03:37:33.024 WITH US. I'M NOT PRONOUNCING 6926 03:37:33.024 --> 03:37:34.028 THIS RIGHT. OKAY. AND THEN MARK 6927 03:37:34.028 --> 03:37:36.017 BOYD WELCOME MA'AM. YOU HAVE 2 6928 03:37:36.017 --> 03:37:38.026 MINUTES >> WITH EVERYTHING 6929 03:37:38.026 --> 03:37:40.029 YOU'VE DONE AND I WOULD LIKE TO 6930 03:37:40.029 --> 03:37:42.003 COME TO ASK YOU LADIES AND 6931 03:37:42.003 --> 03:37:46.027 GENTLEMEN, MR. MAYOR, THAT YOU 6932 03:37:46.027 --> 03:37:49.019 CAN HELP THIS CENTER AND A 6933 03:37:49.019 --> 03:37:53.007 PATIENT LIKE US WE A HOSPITAL 6934 03:37:53.007 --> 03:37:57.019 THAT YOU HAS. MR. MAYOR, I HAVE 6935 03:37:57.019 --> 03:38:00.014 EXPERIENCE WHEN SOMEONE GETS 6936 03:38:00.014 --> 03:38:03.011 DRUNK SEVEN AND A HALF HEART 6937 03:38:03.011 --> 03:38:05.027 ATTACK WE CANNOT GO FURTHER TO 6938 03:38:05.027 --> 03:38:08.025 GET HELP. SO THE SERVICES 6939 03:38:08.025 --> 03:38:12.004 MEDICAL CENTER IS SAVE OUR 6940 03:38:12.004 --> 03:38:15.016 LIFE. THERE ARE MANY YEARS WE 6941 03:38:15.016 --> 03:38:17.002 DEPEND ON THAT HOSPITAL AND WE 6942 03:38:17.002 --> 03:38:20.021 NEED IT. LET IT COME. WE CANNOT 6943 03:38:20.021 --> 03:38:23.020 WAIT SO LONG TO GET TO ANY 6944 03:38:23.020 --> 03:38:26.028 OTHER FURTHER HOSPITAL TO SAVE 6945 03:38:26.028 --> 03:38:30.028 OUR LIFE SO PLEASE HELP WE OUR 6946 03:38:30.028 --> 03:38:34.002 HOSPITAL WE NEED OUR DOWNTOWN 6947 03:38:34.002 --> 03:38:38.020 HOSPITAL HELP US AND THANK YOU 6948 03:38:38.020 --> 03:38:40.009 VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. ALL 6949 03:38:40.009 --> 03:38:42.024 RIGHT. TEN >> COWS, TEN HIT 6950 03:38:42.024 --> 03:38:43.019 WITH THIS TEN COW. COW? NO. 6951 03:38:43.019 --> 03:38:48.022 MARK BOYD. >> SHE JUST WON'T DO 6952 03:38:48.022 --> 03:38:51.018 IT NOW AS A MATTER OF WE CANNOT 6953 03:38:51.018 --> 03:38:53.020 WAIT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK 6954 03:38:53.020 --> 03:38:55.015 YOU, MARK BOYD. MARK BOYD WILL 6955 03:38:55.015 --> 03:38:58.014 BE FOLLOWED BY ROSLYN DEAN AND 6956 03:38:58.014 --> 03:39:00.021 THEN PAULA BELSEY. WELCOME, 6957 03:39:00.021 --> 03:39:02.006 SIR. YOU HAVE 2 MINUTES. >> I 6958 03:39:02.006 --> 03:39:04.024 HAVE EXPANDED COMMENT SO I 6959 03:39:04.024 --> 03:39:05.019 DON'T HAVE TO TALK SO FAST AND 6960 03:39:05.019 --> 03:39:07.014 I GET THEM IF I CAN. GOOD 6961 03:39:07.014 --> 03:39:12.026 AFTERNOON. THANKS FOR THIS 6962 03:39:12.026 --> 03:39:13.021 OPPORTUNITY. I'M TO START WITH 6963 03:39:13.021 --> 03:39:16.024 THE REGIONAL MEDICAL CENTER 6964 03:39:16.024 --> 03:39:17.028 ISSUE THAT SOON YOU'LL CONSIDER 6965 03:39:17.028 --> 03:39:20.020 THE EXPANSION OF ASIA MEDICAL 6966 03:39:20.020 --> 03:39:22.003 CENTER TO A MILLION SQUARE FEET 6967 03:39:22.003 --> 03:39:26.013 AND YOU'VE ALREADY APPROVAL HAD 6968 03:39:26.013 --> 03:39:27.023 MADE ONE APPROVAL OF THE 6969 03:39:27.023 --> 03:39:28.020 GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT. YOU 6970 03:39:28.020 --> 03:39:29.024 HAVE TWO MORE TO GO. AT THE 6971 03:39:29.024 --> 03:39:31.002 SAME TIME, HCA INSISTS THAT THE 6972 03:39:31.002 --> 03:39:34.002 SAN JOSE MEDICAL CENTER SITE 6973 03:39:34.002 --> 03:39:35.016 CANNOT BE SOLD FOR HOSPITAL USE 6974 03:39:35.016 --> 03:39:37.006 >> ANY RESTRICTIONS ON BUYERS 6975 03:39:37.006 --> 03:39:42.010 OF SAYS A MEDICAL PROPERTY 6976 03:39:42.010 --> 03:39:44.004 AFTER BEING ABANDONED AND CAGED 6977 03:39:44.004 --> 03:39:47.018 >> SHORT NOTICE IS 6978 03:39:47.018 --> 03:39:49.025 UNACCEPTABLE. IS THIS COUNCIL 6979 03:39:49.025 --> 03:39:52.027 DECIDES >> LAND USE NOT A 6980 03:39:52.027 --> 03:39:54.001 PRIVATE OWNER WHO'S ABANDONED 6981 03:39:54.001 --> 03:39:57.023 >> A PROPERTY THAT IS ESSENTIAL 6982 03:39:57.023 --> 03:39:58.009 TO THIS COMMUNITY. IS THAT YOU 6983 03:39:58.009 --> 03:40:01.017 KNOW THIS IS JUST OUTRAGEOUS 6984 03:40:01.017 --> 03:40:02.007 AND THE EXPANSION OF A REGIONAL 6985 03:40:02.007 --> 03:40:04.021 MEDICAL >> CENTER CANNOT BE 6986 03:40:04.021 --> 03:40:05.021 COUNTED ON TO FILL THE VOID 6987 03:40:05.021 --> 03:40:07.018 LEFT BY SAN JOSE MEDICAL CENTER 6988 03:40:07.018 --> 03:40:09.011 . THE CHIEF OF STAFF 6989 03:40:09.011 --> 03:40:11.007 OF REGIONAL MEDICAL CENTER HAS 6990 03:40:11.007 --> 03:40:13.000 SEEN HABIBIE I THINK IS THE 6991 03:40:13.000 --> 03:40:15.008 CORRECT PRONUNCIATION. >> I 6992 03:40:15.008 --> 03:40:16.006 SAID I STILL HAVE DOUBTS ABOUT 6993 03:40:16.006 --> 03:40:18.022 THE EXPANSION. HE DOESN'T THINK 6994 03:40:18.022 --> 03:40:20.012 THAT THIS IS REALLY PART THAT 6995 03:40:20.012 --> 03:40:22.017 THEY'RE REALLY GOING TO FULFILL 6996 03:40:22.017 --> 03:40:23.019 THIS POSSIBILITY. FRANK MORGAN, 6997 03:40:23.019 --> 03:40:25.018 AN ANALYST AND INVESTMENT >> 6998 03:40:25.018 --> 03:40:27.026 FIRM, SAID HCA DOESN'T USUALLY 6999 03:40:27.026 --> 03:40:29.018 KEEP HOSPITALS OPEN. THEY 7000 03:40:29.018 --> 03:40:31.004 CONTINUE TO LOSE MONEY AND 7001 03:40:31.004 --> 03:40:33.003 INSTEAD IT MAKES THEM IT MAKES 7002 03:40:33.003 --> 03:40:35.023 THEM PROFITABLE. IT SELLS THEM. 7003 03:40:35.023 --> 03:40:37.007 AND YOU KNOW, THE CEO >> 7004 03:40:37.007 --> 03:40:39.012 OF SANTA CLARA PUBLISHED 7005 03:40:39.012 --> 03:40:40.008 PUBLISHED LETTER STATED THAT, 7006 03:40:40.008 --> 03:40:42.009 YOU KNOW, THAT THEY HAVE TO 7007 03:40:42.009 --> 03:40:43.022 CLOSE BECAUSE OF LOSSES AND 7008 03:40:43.022 --> 03:40:44.007 LABOR SHORTAGES AND, STATE 7009 03:40:44.007 --> 03:40:46.000 MANDATES AND THIS AND THAT. >> 7010 03:40:46.000 --> 03:40:48.019 WHAT HE FAILED TO TELL US IS 7011 03:40:48.019 --> 03:40:49.018 THAT THE HEALTH CARE FOUNDATION 7012 03:40:49.018 --> 03:40:51.010 RECENTLY GAVE SAYS AS A MEDICAL 7013 03:40:51.010 --> 03:40:53.009 CENTER ITS LOWEST RATING ALMOST 7014 03:40:53.009 --> 03:40:56.019 ALL BAY AREA HOSPITALS IT 7015 03:40:56.019 --> 03:40:57.005 GOT ONE STAR >> AND THIS IS 7016 03:40:57.005 --> 03:41:00.003 AVAILABLE AND CAL HOSPITALS 7017 03:41:00.003 --> 03:41:02.002 TALK EVERY OTHER. PROF. PROF. 7018 03:41:02.002 --> 03:41:06.028 HOSPITAL IS MAKING MONEY. THANK 7019 03:41:06.028 --> 03:41:07.013 YOU, SIR. IT'S 2 MINUTES. THANK 7020 03:41:07.013 --> 03:41:09.011 YOU. I URGE THE WITH THE COUNTY 7021 03:41:09.011 --> 03:41:11.006 BOARD ROSLYN DEAN, PAULA VELSHI 7022 03:41:11.006 --> 03:41:14.002 AND THEN STOKLEY, WELCOME OF 2 7023 03:41:14.002 --> 03:41:17.000 MINUTES AGAIN. I'M GOING TO ASK 7024 03:41:17.000 --> 03:41:18.001 PEOPLE TO LINE UP. THANK YOU. 7025 03:41:18.001 --> 03:41:20.008 GOOD AFTERNOON. FIRST OF ALL, I 7026 03:41:20.008 --> 03:41:21.017 WANT TO STATE THAT OUR SIGNS 7027 03:41:21.017 --> 03:41:22.022 ARE A LITTLE OUTDATED. WE'RE 7028 03:41:22.022 --> 03:41:23.003 NOT GOING TO BE SAVING SAN WAS 7029 03:41:23.003 --> 03:41:25.001 A MEDICAL CENTER. WE'RE GOING 7030 03:41:25.001 --> 03:41:26.023 TO BE SAVING THE SITE SO WE 7031 03:41:26.023 --> 03:41:28.009 HAVE TO DO OUR >> HOMEWORK AND 7032 03:41:28.009 --> 03:41:30.007 CHANGE >> IT. BUT THIS IS 7033 03:41:30.007 --> 03:41:31.028 SYMBOLIC. THIS ONE YOU GET THE 7034 03:41:31.028 --> 03:41:32.026 IDEA. YEAH. I THOUGHT WERE 7035 03:41:32.026 --> 03:41:34.009 YEAH. OKAY. >> I HOPE THAT YOU 7036 03:41:34.009 --> 03:41:38.010 ALL GOT THE THE LETTERS THAT 7037 03:41:38.010 --> 03:41:41.028 HAD BEEN GENERATED AND THE 7038 03:41:41.028 --> 03:41:44.019 SUBMISSION THAT WE GAVE TO ALL 7039 03:41:44.019 --> 03:41:46.013 WE PROVIDED FOR ALL CITY 7040 03:41:46.013 --> 03:41:48.012 COUNCIL PEOPLE AND THE >> MAYOR 7041 03:41:48.012 --> 03:41:50.008 AND I'M JUST GOING TO BE A 7042 03:41:50.008 --> 03:41:51.019 LITTLE BIT OF OUR COVER LETTER 7043 03:41:51.019 --> 03:41:52.019 >> I FIRST >> WANT TO STATE 7044 03:41:52.019 --> 03:41:54.023 THAT THE COALITION VIEWS THIS 7045 03:41:54.023 --> 03:41:56.000 CITY COUNCIL AS A BEGINNING 7046 03:41:56.000 --> 03:41:59.003 OF A DIALOG TO IMPLEMENT ACTION 7047 03:41:59.003 --> 03:42:02.021 THAT PROVIDE FOR MEETING THE 7048 03:42:02.021 --> 03:42:03.020 HEALTH CARE NEEDS FOR THE 7049 03:42:03.020 --> 03:42:04.020 DOWNTOWN SURROUNDING 7050 03:42:04.020 --> 03:42:05.026 COMMUNITIES >> AND WE STAND 7051 03:42:05.026 --> 03:42:06.017 READY TO WORK WITH YOU IN 7052 03:42:06.017 --> 03:42:08.023 WHATEVER CAPACITY WE CAN >> TO 7053 03:42:08.023 --> 03:42:10.024 ACHIEVE THAT END. THE MOST >> 7054 03:42:10.024 --> 03:42:13.001 IMPORTANT AND IMMEDIATE IS THE 7055 03:42:13.001 --> 03:42:16.010 OWNERSHIP OF THE SAN JOSE 7056 03:42:16.010 --> 03:42:17.000 MEDICAL CENTER SITE. THIS IS 7057 03:42:17.000 --> 03:42:20.007 CRUCIAL IN MEETING BOTH AND 7058 03:42:20.007 --> 03:42:22.016 LONGER RANGE NEEDS. THE CURRENT 7059 03:42:22.016 --> 03:42:24.011 COALITION URGES CITY COUNCIL >> 7060 03:42:24.011 --> 03:42:26.015 TO DIRECT ITS STAFF AS THE MEMO 7061 03:42:26.015 --> 03:42:28.002 WE SUPPORT ABSOLUTELY CINDY'S 7062 03:42:28.002 --> 03:42:32.006 AND THE OTHER MEMBERS MEMO AND 7063 03:42:32.006 --> 03:42:35.020 WE ALSO SUPPORT THE THE 7064 03:42:35.020 --> 03:42:37.029 FINDINGS OF DR. STUART SKI BUT. 7065 03:42:37.029 --> 03:42:40.025 THE MOST IMPORTANT IMMEDIATE IS 7066 03:42:40.025 --> 03:42:42.003 THE OWNERSHIP OF SAN JOSE'S 7067 03:42:42.003 --> 03:42:44.008 MEDICAL SITE. THIS IS TO 7068 03:42:44.008 --> 03:42:46.014 MEETING SHORTER >> AND LONG 7069 03:42:46.014 --> 03:42:47.002 RANGE YOUR LONGER RANGE NEEDS. 7070 03:42:47.002 --> 03:42:50.009 THE >> COALITION URGES CITY 7071 03:42:50.009 --> 03:42:51.029 COUNCIL TO DIRECTED STAFF TO 7072 03:42:51.029 --> 03:42:52.002 EXPLORE ALL POSSIBILITIES TO 7073 03:42:52.002 --> 03:42:55.025 ACHIEVE THAT END INCLUDING 7074 03:42:55.025 --> 03:42:56.018 INITIAL ACTIONS RELATED TO 7075 03:42:56.018 --> 03:42:58.008 EMINENT DOMAIN. WE ALSO LIKE TO 7076 03:42:58.008 --> 03:43:01.027 SEE US GO BACK TO OUR ORIGINAL 7077 03:43:01.027 --> 03:43:03.012 >> REQUEST IN 1999 WHICH IS TO 7078 03:43:03.012 --> 03:43:07.026 HAVE THE CITY AND THE COUNTY 7079 03:43:07.026 --> 03:43:08.026 PARTNER >> IN BRINGING TOGETHER 7080 03:43:08.026 --> 03:43:10.002 THE APPROPRIATE PERSONS TO 7081 03:43:10.002 --> 03:43:13.006 FIGURE OUT WHAT WE NEED TO DO 7082 03:43:13.006 --> 03:43:15.020 AND HOW DO WE DO IT TO >> 7083 03:43:15.020 --> 03:43:16.003 MAINTAIN OUR HEALTH CARE 7084 03:43:16.003 --> 03:43:18.011 DOWNTOWN INCLUDING A HOSPITAL 7085 03:43:18.011 --> 03:43:20.024 EVENTUALLY WHICH INCLUDES 7086 03:43:20.024 --> 03:43:21.025 POSSIBLY A HEALTH CARE 7087 03:43:21.025 --> 03:43:22.002 DISTRICT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. 7088 03:43:22.002 --> 03:43:24.014 THANK >> YOU. ALL RIGHT, CARLOS 7089 03:43:24.014 --> 03:43:25.017 THEN SEC AND THEN BOB 7090 03:43:25.017 --> 03:43:26.002 BROWNSTEIN, WELCOME NOTES THE 7091 03:43:26.002 --> 03:43:29.015 >> YEAR YOUR SECOND. >> YEAH. 7092 03:43:29.015 --> 03:43:32.000 YOU'RE NEXT. YOUR NEXT PAUL IS 7093 03:43:32.000 --> 03:43:34.001 OH, OKAY PAULA THEN SOCK AND 7094 03:43:34.001 --> 03:43:36.016 THEN BOB. FRANCINE WELCOME, 7095 03:43:36.016 --> 03:43:37.007 MA'AM. YOU HAVE 2 MINUTES. 7096 03:43:37.007 --> 03:43:39.003 THANK YOU. >> I'M I'M COMING 7097 03:43:39.003 --> 03:43:41.028 AT THIS TODAY AS A 7098 03:43:41.028 --> 03:43:41.000 REPRESENTATIVE ROOSEVELT 7099 03:43:41.000 --> 03:43:43.029 NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION WHICH 7100 03:43:43.029 --> 03:43:44.011 IS VERY CLOSE TO THE HOSPITAL. 7101 03:43:44.011 --> 03:43:47.018 I >> PASS OUT A LOT OF LEAFLETS 7102 03:43:47.018 --> 03:43:49.021 >> AND KNOCK ON A LOT OF DOORS 7103 03:43:49.021 --> 03:43:50.007 AND TALK TO A LOT OF PEOPLE AND 7104 03:43:50.007 --> 03:43:52.015 EVERYBODY. MY NEIGHBORHOOD IS 7105 03:43:52.015 --> 03:43:53.011 EITHER HORRIFIED OR REALLY 7106 03:43:53.011 --> 03:43:55.026 WORRIED ABOUT THE CLOSURE AND A 7107 03:43:55.026 --> 03:43:58.011 LOT OF THEM HAVE TRANSPORTATION 7108 03:43:58.011 --> 03:44:00.029 PROBLEMS. I WANT TO SAY WE 7109 03:44:00.029 --> 03:44:04.018 SUPPORT THE CYNDI'S POSITION 7110 03:44:04.018 --> 03:44:07.001 AND THE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS 7111 03:44:07.001 --> 03:44:10.011 AND ARE RIGHT NOW ARE IMPORTANT 7112 03:44:10.011 --> 03:44:15.014 >> THE MOST IMPORTANT THING WE 7113 03:44:15.014 --> 03:44:16.029 SEE IS KEEPING >> FIGURE OUT 7114 03:44:16.029 --> 03:44:17.008 SOME WAY TO KEEP THAT LAND FOR 7115 03:44:17.008 --> 03:44:19.026 MEDICAL USE. ALSO I WANTED TO 7116 03:44:19.026 --> 03:44:21.029 MAKE STATEMENT A COUPLE 7117 03:44:21.029 --> 03:44:22.027 OF STATEMENTS FROM NANCY HICKEY 7118 03:44:22.027 --> 03:44:24.022 WHO STAY FROM THE UNIVERSITY 7119 03:44:24.022 --> 03:44:28.018 NEIGHBORHOOD. I MEAN YOU KNOW 7120 03:44:28.018 --> 03:44:30.013 YEAH, THE UNIVERSITY 7121 03:44:30.013 --> 03:44:31.029 NEIGHBORHOOD COALITION >> AND 7122 03:44:31.029 --> 03:44:34.021 ONE OF THEIR STATEMENTS WAS THE 7123 03:44:34.021 --> 03:44:38.026 FACT THAT CITY COUNCIL >> OH >> 7124 03:44:38.026 --> 03:44:43.012 THIS REPORT THAT THIS IS A PART 7125 03:44:43.012 --> 03:44:48.026 OF ONE OF THE >> 7126 03:44:48.026 --> 03:44:48.008 RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THE 7127 03:44:48.008 --> 03:44:50.029 ADVISORY COMMITTEE MADE WAS TO 7128 03:44:50.029 --> 03:44:51.016 CIRCULATE THIS REPORT WIDELY 7129 03:44:51.016 --> 03:44:53.007 AND RECEIVE PUBLIC INPUT FROM 7130 03:44:53.007 --> 03:44:55.027 IT AND THAT THAT THAT THAT ALSO 7131 03:44:55.027 --> 03:44:58.029 HAPPENED. WE HAVEN'T SEEN ANY 7132 03:44:58.029 --> 03:44:59.017 MEETINGS ON THAT. SO SO THE 7133 03:44:59.017 --> 03:45:01.002 PUBLIC COULD GET INPUT ON THAT 7134 03:45:01.002 --> 03:45:03.019 . AND THE OTHER >> THING IS 7135 03:45:03.019 --> 03:45:09.020 THEY HAVE IT'S THE LAST 7136 03:45:09.020 --> 03:45:11.026 PARAGRAPH IN THE 7137 03:45:11.026 --> 03:45:12.013 RECOMMENDATIONS ON ON THE 7138 03:45:12.013 --> 03:45:14.005 REPORT WAS AND IT REFERRED >> 7139 03:45:14.005 --> 03:45:17.027 TO THE OC IN THE LIGHT OF THE 7140 03:45:17.027 --> 03:45:20.024 CITY OF SAN JOSE'S AGGRESSIVE 7141 03:45:20.024 --> 03:45:22.016 DOWNTOWN REDEVELOPMENT EFFORTS 7142 03:45:22.016 --> 03:45:24.026 AND ONGOING HIGH DENSITY 7143 03:45:24.026 --> 03:45:26.016 DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS. FUTURE 7144 03:45:26.016 --> 03:45:29.017 SITE AVAILABILITY IS A VITAL 7145 03:45:29.017 --> 03:45:31.020 COMPONENT OF THE PLANNING 7146 03:45:31.020 --> 03:45:32.015 PROCESS WE RECOMMENDED ABOVE TO 7147 03:45:32.015 --> 03:45:35.006 AVOID A POTENTIAL BED SHORTAGE 7148 03:45:35.006 --> 03:45:37.001 BY 2015. IN OTHER WORDS ARE 7149 03:45:37.001 --> 03:45:39.018 SAYING THANK YOU THERE'S GOT TO 7150 03:45:39.018 --> 03:45:41.003 OTHER LAND USES AND WE >> 7151 03:45:41.003 --> 03:45:43.023 SUPPORT YEAH AND YOU KNOW IS 7152 03:45:43.023 --> 03:45:46.008 ONE OF THEM. THANK YOU. THANK 7153 03:45:46.008 --> 03:45:48.029 YOU. ALL RIGHT. CHOCOLATE AND 7154 03:45:48.029 --> 03:45:49.000 BOB BROWNSTEIN AND PHILIP BUMP. 7155 03:45:49.000 --> 03:45:53.023 WELCOME, SIR. YEAH. THANK YOU. 7156 03:45:53.023 --> 03:45:55.015 I AM CERTAINLY A DOCTOR. I'VE 7157 03:45:55.015 --> 03:45:58.023 MADE A TEAM. I LIVE HERE OVER 7158 03:45:58.023 --> 03:46:01.018 20 YEAR OLD MY FAMILY MEMBER AS 7159 03:46:01.018 --> 03:46:05.009 IT WAS A PATIENT CENTERED 7160 03:46:05.009 --> 03:46:09.011 MEDICAL. I THINK THE HOSPITAL 7161 03:46:09.011 --> 03:46:13.013 >> IS A VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE 7162 03:46:13.013 --> 03:46:16.019 IT IS CERTIFIED BECOME COM 7163 03:46:16.019 --> 03:46:22.017 COMMUNITIES HERE AND EVEN THE 7164 03:46:22.017 --> 03:46:26.026 EMPLOYEE SURROGACY STATE 7165 03:46:26.026 --> 03:46:29.025 EMPLOYEE THEY NEEDED TO HAVE A 7166 03:46:29.025 --> 03:46:33.003 GO EMERGENCY CARE ARCHITECTURE 7167 03:46:33.003 --> 03:46:36.028 THEY WE NEED TO GET CLOSER THE 7168 03:46:36.028 --> 03:46:38.000 HOSPITAL SO I THINK I WOULD ASK 7169 03:46:38.000 --> 03:46:41.008 YOU ALL OF YOU TO HELP TO 7170 03:46:41.008 --> 03:46:44.007 REOPEN THIS HOSPITAL THANK YOU 7171 03:46:44.007 --> 03:46:47.025 AND >> THANK YOU BOB THEN 7172 03:46:47.025 --> 03:46:48.021 PHILIP >> AND THEN JOHN FERRIS 7173 03:46:48.021 --> 03:46:50.002 WELCOME THREE OF 2 MINUTES. 7174 03:46:50.002 --> 03:46:53.008 MAYOR GONZALEZ >> MEMBERS 7175 03:46:53.008 --> 03:46:54.012 OF THE COUNCIL I'D LIKE TO 7176 03:46:54.012 --> 03:46:55.010 SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF THE 7177 03:46:55.010 --> 03:46:57.015 TRAVELERS GONZALEZ COURTESY 7178 03:46:57.015 --> 03:46:59.009 CAMP POST MEMO >> THERE CLEARLY 7179 03:46:59.009 --> 03:47:02.017 IS A >> SHORT TERM ISSUE OR 7180 03:47:02.017 --> 03:47:04.029 SHORT TERM NEED IN TERMS 7181 03:47:04.029 --> 03:47:05.012 EMERGENCY SERVICES AND URGENT 7182 03:47:05.012 --> 03:47:07.004 CARE THAT NEEDS TO BE DEALT 7183 03:47:07.004 --> 03:47:09.027 WITH AS WELL AS A LONGER TERM 7184 03:47:09.027 --> 03:47:10.010 ISSUE OF HOSPITAL BEDS THAT 7185 03:47:10.010 --> 03:47:12.009 REQUIRES A GREAT DEAL OF LEAD 7186 03:47:12.009 --> 03:47:14.005 TIME BEFORE YOU CAN MAKE AN 7187 03:47:14.005 --> 03:47:16.010 IMPROVEMENT. >> I'M GLAD TO SEE 7188 03:47:16.010 --> 03:47:18.020 ALSO THAT TODAY THERE WAS SOME 7189 03:47:18.020 --> 03:47:19.017 DISCUSSION ABOUT ACCESS 7190 03:47:19.017 --> 03:47:21.001 OF MEDI-CAL PATIENTS TO HEALTH 7191 03:47:21.001 --> 03:47:24.019 CARE FACILITIES IN SAN JOSE. IN 7192 03:47:24.019 --> 03:47:26.005 THAT REGARD I WOULD SUGGEST 7193 03:47:26.005 --> 03:47:28.022 THAT THE COUNCIL ADD TO THE 7194 03:47:28.022 --> 03:47:29.012 DIRECTION OF TWO STAFF THAT 7195 03:47:29.012 --> 03:47:32.026 THEY LOOK AT THE IMPLICATIONS 7196 03:47:32.026 --> 03:47:33.012 FOR THE PEOPLE >> OF SAN JOSE 7197 03:47:33.012 --> 03:47:35.018 OF THE PROPOSED MEDI-CAL 7198 03:47:35.018 --> 03:47:36.004 REDESIGN THAT IS IN THE 7199 03:47:36.004 --> 03:47:38.021 GOVERNMENT >> BUDGET THAT MAY 7200 03:47:38.021 --> 03:47:39.011 DO I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT 7201 03:47:39.011 --> 03:47:41.014 HAPPENED AGAIN GOVERNOR >> I 7202 03:47:41.014 --> 03:47:47.015 WOULD HAVE TO SAY SOMETHING 7203 03:47:47.015 --> 03:47:48.023 UNKIND. I THINK THAT YOU SHOULD 7204 03:47:48.023 --> 03:47:53.018 LOOK AT THE MEDI-CAL REDESIGN 7205 03:47:53.018 --> 03:47:55.000 THAT MAY HAVE IMPLICATIONS FOR 7206 03:47:55.000 --> 03:47:57.015 THE ACCESS OF MEDI-CAL PATIENTS 7207 03:47:57.015 --> 03:47:58.006 IN JOSE TO GET MEDICAL CARE >> 7208 03:47:58.006 --> 03:48:01.013 EVEN MORE THAN SOME 7209 03:48:01.013 --> 03:48:03.029 OF REDUCTIONS FROM REGIONAL >> 7210 03:48:03.029 --> 03:48:04.007 MEDICAL CENTER. AND FINALLY, I 7211 03:48:04.007 --> 03:48:07.028 URGE VERY MUCH THAT THE CITY 7212 03:48:07.028 --> 03:48:09.013 TRY AND WORK WITH PROVIDERS 7213 03:48:09.013 --> 03:48:12.007 WITH THE COMMUNITY, WITH HEALTH 7214 03:48:12.007 --> 03:48:14.024 CARE WORKERS BUT ALSO WITH THE 7215 03:48:14.024 --> 03:48:15.012 COUNTY. I KNOW THERE IS A DEEP 7216 03:48:15.012 --> 03:48:17.002 TRADITION THAT THE COUNTY AND 7217 03:48:17.002 --> 03:48:19.014 THE CITY LIKE TO FIGHT IN THIS 7218 03:48:19.014 --> 03:48:21.025 REGION BUT THERE ARE TIMES >> 7219 03:48:21.025 --> 03:48:23.004 WHEN YOU NEED TO PUT TRADITION 7220 03:48:23.004 --> 03:48:25.001 ASIDE AND TRY AND >> LOOK 7221 03:48:25.001 --> 03:48:27.015 TOWARDS SOME VERY SERIOUS 7222 03:48:27.015 --> 03:48:28.008 ISSUES SUCH AS PEOPLE'S HEALTH 7223 03:48:28.008 --> 03:48:30.020 >> CARE NEEDS AND IT MAYBE IF 7224 03:48:30.020 --> 03:48:31.014 WE COULD TRY PEACEFUL 7225 03:48:31.014 --> 03:48:33.008 COEXISTENCE ON THIS ONE ISSUE 7226 03:48:33.008 --> 03:48:35.012 PEOPLE MIGHT DISCOVER THAT THEY 7227 03:48:35.012 --> 03:48:36.018 LIKE IT AND COULD ACTUALLY USE 7228 03:48:36.018 --> 03:48:39.022 THAT APPROACH FOR SOME OTHER 7229 03:48:39.022 --> 03:48:40.010 ISSUES IN THE FUTURE YOU >> ALL 7230 03:48:40.010 --> 03:48:42.024 RIGHT. THANK YOU PHILLIP AND 7231 03:48:42.024 --> 03:48:43.024 THEN JOHN AND THEN MARY JANE. 7232 03:48:43.024 --> 03:48:45.021 JANE, DO IT. WELCOME THREE OF 2 7233 03:48:45.021 --> 03:48:48.021 MINUTES. THANK >> YOU, MR. 7234 03:48:48.021 --> 03:48:49.018 MAYOR. GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR. 7235 03:48:49.018 --> 03:48:51.018 MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL. 7236 03:48:51.018 --> 03:48:52.026 MY NAME IS PHILIP BUMP. I'M 7237 03:48:52.026 --> 03:48:53.022 SPEAKING TODAY ON BEHALF OF THE 7238 03:48:53.022 --> 03:48:54.011 SOUTH BAY LABOR COUNCIL AND OUR 7239 03:48:54.011 --> 03:48:56.016 EXECUTIVE OFFICER PHAEDRA ELLIS 7240 03:48:56.016 --> 03:48:57.007 LAMPKIN. MY MESSAGE IS SIMPLE 7241 03:48:57.007 --> 03:48:59.016 AND BRIEF. WE REPRESENT 110,000 7242 03:48:59.016 --> 03:49:01.023 WORKING PEOPLE HERE IN 7243 03:49:01.023 --> 03:49:02.000 SANTA CLARA COUNTY, TENS 7244 03:49:02.000 --> 03:49:04.023 OF THOUSANDS OF WHOM ARE GOING 7245 03:49:04.023 --> 03:49:04.027 TO BE DIRECTLY IMPACTED BY THE 7246 03:49:04.027 --> 03:49:05.028 CLOSURE OF SAN JOSE MEDICAL >> 7247 03:49:05.028 --> 03:49:06.025 CENTER. WE ABSOLUTELY STRONGLY 7248 03:49:06.025 --> 03:49:09.027 SUPPORT THE MEMO THAT CAME OUT 7249 03:49:09.027 --> 03:49:10.008 TODAY WE STRONGLY SUPPORT THE 7250 03:49:10.008 --> 03:49:12.028 COUNCIL'S USING THEIR 7251 03:49:12.028 --> 03:49:12.015 CREATIVITY BASED UPON THE 7252 03:49:12.015 --> 03:49:14.019 ZARETSKY REPORT AND MOVING 7253 03:49:14.019 --> 03:49:15.005 FORWARD AND ANY ANY AREA IN 7254 03:49:15.005 --> 03:49:17.006 WHICH WE CAN POSSIBLY ASSURE 7255 03:49:17.006 --> 03:49:19.028 THAT THERE ARE MAINTAINED 7256 03:49:19.028 --> 03:49:19.006 MEDICAL SERVICES DOWNTOWN TO 7257 03:49:19.006 --> 03:49:22.014 GUARANTEE THAT THOSE THOUSANDS 7258 03:49:22.014 --> 03:49:23.009 OF PEOPLE WHO ARE BEING 7259 03:49:23.009 --> 03:49:24.022 DIRECTLY AFFECTED HAVE THE 7260 03:49:24.022 --> 03:49:25.009 MEDICAL RESOURCES THEY NEED. 7261 03:49:25.009 --> 03:49:27.019 THE CITY OF SAN JOSE'S HEALTH 7262 03:49:27.019 --> 03:49:28.028 CARE SYSTEM IS AT A CROSSROADS 7263 03:49:28.028 --> 03:49:29.002 AND WE KNOW AND TRUST THAT 7264 03:49:29.002 --> 03:49:31.000 YOU'LL CHOOSE THE RIGHT PATH 7265 03:49:31.000 --> 03:49:32.022 BUT WE NEED TO DO SO 7266 03:49:32.022 --> 03:49:32.003 DELIBERATELY. THANK YOU >> AND 7267 03:49:32.003 --> 03:49:34.012 THANK YOU JOHN FERRIS, 7268 03:49:34.012 --> 03:49:36.023 MARY JANE DUKE AND THEN MARC 7269 03:49:36.023 --> 03:49:37.009 TROUT. WELCOME, SIR. YOU HAVE 2 7270 03:49:37.009 --> 03:49:39.029 MINUTES. YEAH. MR. >> MAYOR 7271 03:49:39.029 --> 03:49:40.024 COUNSEL MY NAME IS JOHN FERRIS 7272 03:49:40.024 --> 03:49:43.003 AND I LIVE HERE IN THE SILICON 7273 03:49:43.003 --> 03:49:46.014 VALLEY SAN JOSE ALMOST 40 YEARS 7274 03:49:46.014 --> 03:49:49.021 AND I HAVE QUITE A BIT 7275 03:49:49.021 --> 03:49:50.004 OF INVOLVEMENT >> WITH DOWNTOWN 7276 03:49:50.004 --> 03:49:52.001 SAN JOSE, JOSE STATE, >> THE 7277 03:49:52.001 --> 03:49:54.019 HOSPITAL, THE LIBRARIES AND THE 7278 03:49:54.019 --> 03:49:55.025 CHURCH. YOU YOU KNOW, TOWN AND 7279 03:49:55.025 --> 03:49:58.010 IN A PART >> OF SEATTLE, THE 7280 03:49:58.010 --> 03:50:00.014 CITY. SO I'VE A LOT >> 7281 03:50:00.014 --> 03:50:02.000 OF PEOPLE IN MY 40 YEARS HERE 7282 03:50:02.000 --> 03:50:05.005 IN SAN JOSE USED THE 7283 03:50:05.005 --> 03:50:07.020 SAN MEDICAL FACILITY THERE 7284 03:50:07.020 --> 03:50:09.022 AT THIS LOCATION AND I >> CAN 7285 03:50:09.022 --> 03:50:11.007 TESTIFY THAT IT HAS SAVED 7286 03:50:11.007 --> 03:50:13.005 LIVES. YOU KNOW, I HAVE FRIENDS 7287 03:50:13.005 --> 03:50:15.020 WHO HAVE GONE IN THERE. IF THEY 7288 03:50:15.020 --> 03:50:16.008 HAD GONE TAKE >> THE TIME TO 7289 03:50:16.008 --> 03:50:18.010 GET, YOU KNOW, A FURTHER 7290 03:50:18.010 --> 03:50:19.024 ADDITION TO ANOTHER HOSPITAL >> 7291 03:50:19.024 --> 03:50:20.011 THEY WOULD NOT BE HERE TODAY. 7292 03:50:20.011 --> 03:50:22.019 SO I'M SAYING TODAY THAT >> 7293 03:50:22.019 --> 03:50:25.014 WITH ROSS AND >> THE COALITION 7294 03:50:25.014 --> 03:50:28.010 TO SAVE THE SITE, IT'S ALSO WE 7295 03:50:28.010 --> 03:50:31.018 REPRESENT THE COALITION 7296 03:50:31.018 --> 03:50:32.004 OF CONCERNED CITIZEN, AN 7297 03:50:32.004 --> 03:50:34.000 ORGANIZATION AS WELL. SO WE 7298 03:50:34.000 --> 03:50:36.004 JOIN HAND-IN-HAND WITH ROZ AND 7299 03:50:36.004 --> 03:50:38.010 THE GROUP TO ASK YOU TO 7300 03:50:38.010 --> 03:50:39.014 CONSIDER YOU KNOW THE SITE TO 7301 03:50:39.014 --> 03:50:41.005 BE RESERVED FOR PUBLIC USE. 7302 03:50:41.005 --> 03:50:45.028 THANK YOU. OKAY. MARY JANE IS 7303 03:50:45.028 --> 03:50:46.001 NEXT. MARY JANE STILL WITH US. 7304 03:50:46.001 --> 03:50:49.029 SHE HAD TO LEAVE. HOW ABOUT 7305 03:50:49.029 --> 03:50:49.006 MARK TROUT? OKAY. MARK TROUT IS 7306 03:50:49.006 --> 03:50:52.018 NEXT AND SANDY PERRY. SANDY 7307 03:50:52.018 --> 03:50:55.017 PERRY IS AFTER HIM AND THEN 7308 03:50:55.017 --> 03:50:58.013 YOLANDA INGLIS. SIR, YOU >> 7309 03:50:58.013 --> 03:51:02.018 SAID SHE WAS CALLED >> HER 7310 03:51:02.018 --> 03:51:04.011 NAME. OH, I'M SORRY. CAN WE GET 7311 03:51:04.011 --> 03:51:07.016 HER A MICROPHONE? PORTABLE 7312 03:51:07.016 --> 03:51:08.012 MICROPHONE, PLEASE. CITY CLERK 7313 03:51:08.012 --> 03:51:10.003 WE'LL GET YOUR PORTABLE 7314 03:51:10.003 --> 03:51:11.006 MICROPHONE. MARY JANE I'M SORRY 7315 03:51:11.006 --> 03:51:13.024 I DIDN'T SEE YOU COMING 7316 03:51:13.024 --> 03:51:13.027 FORWARD. SO MARY JANE'S NEXT 7317 03:51:13.027 --> 03:51:15.007 AND MARK TROUT AND SANDY PERRY. 7318 03:51:15.007 --> 03:51:18.007 WELCOME, MA'AM. YOU HAVE 2 7319 03:51:18.007 --> 03:51:19.026 MINUTES. >> THANK YOU. I WOULD 7320 03:51:19.026 --> 03:51:23.011 LIKE TO BEGIN BY SAYING I'VE 7321 03:51:23.011 --> 03:51:26.023 LIVED IN SAN JOSE ALMOST ALL 7322 03:51:26.023 --> 03:51:28.023 OF MY 53 YEARS. AND DURING THAT 7323 03:51:28.023 --> 03:51:31.000 TIME FROM INFANCY ONWARD, I 7324 03:51:31.000 --> 03:51:36.021 USED THE MEDICAL CENTER AS 7325 03:51:36.021 --> 03:51:38.003 MY PRIMARY HOSPITAL. FAST 7326 03:51:38.003 --> 03:51:42.006 FORWARDING TO NOW I'M LUCKY I'M 7327 03:51:42.006 --> 03:51:45.020 IN RELATIVELY GOOD HEALTH. BUT 7328 03:51:45.020 --> 03:51:47.012 SOMETHING HAPPENED JUST TO THE 7329 03:51:47.012 --> 03:51:50.001 CLOSURE OF SAN AS A MEDICAL 7330 03:51:50.001 --> 03:51:53.025 CENTER FOR ME BEYOND BELIEF. 7331 03:51:53.025 --> 03:51:56.015 WHEN I ACCIDENTALLY AND WAS AN 7332 03:51:56.015 --> 03:51:59.014 ACCIDENT >> ENCOUNTERED THE 7333 03:51:59.014 --> 03:52:04.012 PRESENCE OF IT SHE WAS CEO 7334 03:52:04.012 --> 03:52:08.028 STEVE DICKSON EVERYTHING I 7335 03:52:08.028 --> 03:52:12.000 ASKED HIM HE HE BEAT ME DOWN. I 7336 03:52:12.000 --> 03:52:18.010 DID NOT MATTER. AND THE LAST 7337 03:52:18.010 --> 03:52:20.016 REMARK MADE WAS VERY TELLING. 7338 03:52:20.016 --> 03:52:23.010 HE SAID HE WILL KEEP HIS HAND 7339 03:52:23.010 --> 03:52:26.011 ON THAT PROPERTY AND OFFER IT 7340 03:52:26.011 --> 03:52:29.025 TO NO ONE WHO WANTS TO BUILD A 7341 03:52:29.025 --> 03:52:31.000 HOSPITAL. SO I SUGGEST CUT HIS 7342 03:52:31.000 --> 03:52:35.009 HAND OFF. THEY HAD BEEN NAUGHTY 7343 03:52:35.009 --> 03:52:38.001 BRATS LEGALLY NAUGHTY BRATS IN 7344 03:52:38.001 --> 03:52:42.007 SOUTHERN CAL HOSPITALS HITHER 7345 03:52:42.007 --> 03:52:45.013 AND YON DEPRIVING THOSE GOOD 7346 03:52:45.013 --> 03:52:47.014 PEOPLE OF PROPER MEDICAL 7347 03:52:47.014 --> 03:52:49.005 SERVICES. AND SINCE I'M MERELY 7348 03:52:49.005 --> 03:52:52.008 A SENIOR WHEN MY BODY BODY'S 7349 03:52:52.008 --> 03:52:54.016 MORE A SENIOR THAN I AM. BUT 7350 03:52:54.016 --> 03:52:58.003 THINGS >> COULD GO WRONG AT ANY 7351 03:52:58.003 --> 03:53:00.018 TIME AS ANYBODY KNOWS. BUT 7352 03:53:00.018 --> 03:53:04.000 MY MOM >> WAS NOT WRONG FOR 7353 03:53:04.000 --> 03:53:06.013 WORKING THERE FOR 12 YEARS. SHE 7354 03:53:06.013 --> 03:53:08.001 LOVED THAT PLACE. THE PEOPLE 7355 03:53:08.001 --> 03:53:10.008 WERE GOOD TO HER AND THE CARE I 7356 03:53:10.008 --> 03:53:13.016 RECEIVED HAS ALWAYS BEEN TOP 7357 03:53:13.016 --> 03:53:15.009 NOTCH EVEN IN THE MOST 7358 03:53:15.009 --> 03:53:17.026 EMBARRASSING OF CIRCUMSTANCES. 7359 03:53:17.026 --> 03:53:19.021 AND AS LONG AS I CONTINUE TO 7360 03:53:19.021 --> 03:53:21.007 REMAIN A RESIDENT HERE I WILL 7361 03:53:21.007 --> 03:53:24.003 FIGHT LIKE TO SEE THAT A 7362 03:53:24.003 --> 03:53:28.012 DOWNTOWN HOSPITAL'S BUILT. 7363 03:53:28.012 --> 03:53:30.001 THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND 7364 03:53:30.001 --> 03:53:32.009 MY NAME IS DOUG. MR. MAYOR. 7365 03:53:32.009 --> 03:53:34.012 SORRY. I'M JUST LIKE THE CEO >> 7366 03:53:34.012 --> 03:53:37.009 AND SIR, YOU'VE BEEN A GOOD 7367 03:53:37.009 --> 03:53:40.008 MAYOR. OKAY, BUT YOU COULD HAVE 7368 03:53:40.008 --> 03:53:43.002 MENTIONED HOW GOOD THE CARE WAS 7369 03:53:43.002 --> 03:53:46.027 WHEN YOU WERE A HOSPITAL. OH, I 7370 03:53:46.027 --> 03:53:47.018 HAVE >> MANY TIMES, JANE. WE'RE 7371 03:53:47.018 --> 03:53:49.029 GOING TO YOUR 2 MINUTES ARE UP. 7372 03:53:49.029 --> 03:53:50.010 AND >> WHERE DID THEY TAKE YOU 7373 03:53:50.010 --> 03:53:53.011 WHEN HAD YOUR STROKE? I THINK 7374 03:53:53.011 --> 03:53:56.006 EVERYBODY IN THE COMMUNITY 7375 03:53:56.006 --> 03:53:57.013 KNOWS WHERE THEY TOOK ME. WELL 7376 03:53:57.013 --> 03:53:58.023 THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MA'AM. 7377 03:53:58.023 --> 03:53:59.020 YOU'RE DONE. I'M SORRY. I'M 7378 03:53:59.020 --> 03:54:00.029 GOING TO HAVE TO CUT YOU OFF. 7379 03:54:00.029 --> 03:54:01.023 WE HAVE TO CUT >> YOU OFF. 7380 03:54:01.023 --> 03:54:02.011 THANK. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. 7381 03:54:02.011 --> 03:54:04.017 MARK TROUT AND THEN SANDY PERRY 7382 03:54:04.017 --> 03:54:06.003 AND >> THEN YOLANDA INGLIS. 7383 03:54:06.003 --> 03:54:08.008 WELCOME, SIR. YOU HAVE 2 7384 03:54:08.008 --> 03:54:09.014 MINUTES. THANK YOU. HONORABLE 7385 03:54:09.014 --> 03:54:21.009 MAYOR COUNCIL. >> IT SAYS HERE 7386 03:54:21.009 --> 03:54:26.025 MAJOR IMPACTS AND TOP CONCERNS 7387 03:54:26.025 --> 03:54:28.023 ACCORDING THE CLOSURE STUDY NET 7388 03:54:28.023 --> 03:54:31.010 LOSS OF HOSPITAL BEDS FOR THE 7389 03:54:31.010 --> 03:54:33.018 COMMUNITY STILL RESULTS IN A 7390 03:54:33.018 --> 03:54:36.001 NET REDUCTION OF 252 LICENSED 7391 03:54:36.001 --> 03:54:40.022 GENERAL ACUTE CARE BEDS AND 26 7392 03:54:40.022 --> 03:54:43.019 SKILLED SKILLED NURSING BEDS. 7393 03:54:43.019 --> 03:54:46.016 WE WERE INFORMED THAT IT WAS I 7394 03:54:46.016 --> 03:54:48.005 GUESS ONLY 30 BEDS THAT WERE 7395 03:54:48.005 --> 03:54:50.011 ACTUALLY USED I BELIEVE AND IN 7396 03:54:50.011 --> 03:54:53.027 REALITY. SO I DON'T THINK IT'S 7397 03:54:53.027 --> 03:54:54.021 GOING TO BE THAT BIG OF A DEAL 7398 03:54:54.021 --> 03:54:56.017 BUT I'M CONCERNED WITH THE 7399 03:54:56.017 --> 03:54:58.008 FUTURE. I REALLY AM. I'M 7400 03:54:58.008 --> 03:55:00.017 CONCERNED OF THE FUTURE. MAYOR 7401 03:55:00.017 --> 03:55:02.027 GONZALEZ OF COURSE IS THE MAN 7402 03:55:02.027 --> 03:55:04.024 THAT APPOINTS THE CITY MANAGER. 7403 03:55:04.024 --> 03:55:06.009 THE CITY MANAGER IN TURN IS THE 7404 03:55:06.009 --> 03:55:09.011 MAN WHO APPOINTS THE CHIEF 7405 03:55:09.011 --> 03:55:11.003 OF POLICE AND CHIEF ROB DAVIS 7406 03:55:11.003 --> 03:55:14.003 IS IN MY OPINION MADE THE 7407 03:55:14.003 --> 03:55:16.018 FUTURE LOOK LIKE WE NEED A LOT 7408 03:55:16.018 --> 03:55:18.000 MORE HOSPITAL BEDS IN THE 7409 03:55:18.000 --> 03:55:20.018 FUTURE. HOW MANY OF YOU HAVE 7410 03:55:20.018 --> 03:55:21.019 HEARD THAT HE FASTED ON RAMADAN 7411 03:55:21.019 --> 03:55:23.026 AND HAS SAID THERE'S NO DOUBT 7412 03:55:23.026 --> 03:55:25.020 THIS RELIGION OF ISLAM IS A 7413 03:55:25.020 --> 03:55:27.014 RELIGION OF PEACE AND A 7414 03:55:27.014 --> 03:55:29.007 RELIGION OF AND THAT HE IS 7415 03:55:29.007 --> 03:55:32.014 ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN THAT IT WAS 7416 03:55:32.014 --> 03:55:35.001 RADICAL ISLAM THAT IN ESSENCE 7417 03:55:35.001 --> 03:55:39.006 >> HE SAID THIS IT WAS RADICAL 7418 03:55:39.006 --> 03:55:41.000 ISLAM THAT HIT US AT 911 OF THE 7419 03:55:41.000 --> 03:55:44.003 WORLD TRADE CENTER >> FELL. 7420 03:55:44.003 --> 03:55:46.006 WELL, YOU KNOW, I DON'T REALLY 7421 03:55:46.006 --> 03:55:47.000 LOOK LIKE IT BUT I A SCHOLAR ON 7422 03:55:47.000 --> 03:55:49.023 ISLAM I'VE READ THE KORAN ALL 7423 03:55:49.023 --> 03:55:50.027 THE WAY THROUGH AND IS 7424 03:55:50.027 --> 03:55:52.024 COMMANDED IN THE THIRD SURA IN 7425 03:55:52.024 --> 03:55:55.014 PARTICULAR >> AND THE THIRD 7426 03:55:55.014 --> 03:55:58.028 SURA THERE >> ARE ABOUT 150 7427 03:55:58.028 --> 03:56:01.022 STORIES AND THE MOSLEM OF USE 7428 03:56:01.022 --> 03:56:04.017 THIS AS INSPIRED >> I'M 7429 03:56:04.017 --> 03:56:06.027 CHRISTIAN, I KNOW THE BIBLE'S 7430 03:56:06.027 --> 03:56:07.016 INSPIRED BUT THE MOSLEM REALLY 7431 03:56:07.016 --> 03:56:09.023 ACTUALLY THINKS HE'S GETTING 7432 03:56:09.023 --> 03:56:10.009 COMFORT AND DIRECTION FROM THE 7433 03:56:10.009 --> 03:56:13.013 KORAN AND NOW WHAT IS? IS KILL 7434 03:56:13.013 --> 03:56:16.019 THE INFIDELS THE JEWS IN THE 2 7435 03:56:16.019 --> 03:56:18.015 MINUTES. >> THANK YOU. NEXT UP 7436 03:56:18.015 --> 03:56:21.012 IS SANDY PERRY AND THEN YOLANDA 7437 03:56:21.012 --> 03:56:24.023 INGLES >> AND THEN BERKLEY 7438 03:56:24.023 --> 03:56:25.012 DRIZZLE. WELCOME, SIR. YOU HAVE 7439 03:56:25.012 --> 03:56:27.008 >> 2 MINUTES. HI. GOOD EVENING. 7440 03:56:27.008 --> 03:56:29.016 I'M SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE 7441 03:56:29.016 --> 03:56:30.010 COALITION AND I'D LIKE TO ALSO 7442 03:56:30.010 --> 03:56:32.018 THANK YOU FOR YOUR KIND WORDS 7443 03:56:32.018 --> 03:56:33.012 ABOUT THE COALITION. ROSS ASKED 7444 03:56:33.012 --> 03:56:36.029 ME TO BRING SOME MORE LETTERS 7445 03:56:36.029 --> 03:56:37.012 UP WHICH I DID AND I WANT TO 7446 03:56:37.012 --> 03:56:39.001 READ ONE VERY BRIEFLY BECAUSE 7447 03:56:39.001 --> 03:56:41.028 IT THE PREVIOUS SPEAKER SAID IT 7448 03:56:41.028 --> 03:56:42.015 WAS NOT REALLY A BIG AND THIS 7449 03:56:42.015 --> 03:56:44.003 MAY REFUTE THAT IT SAYS MY NAME 7450 03:56:44.003 --> 03:56:47.006 IS KATHLEEN HARING. I'M AN WHO 7451 03:56:47.006 --> 03:56:49.027 WORKS AT KAISER SANTA CLARA IN 7452 03:56:49.027 --> 03:56:50.011 THE E.R. SINCE FEBRUARY OH TWO 7453 03:56:50.011 --> 03:56:53.012 WE RARELY GO RED OR CLOSE TO 7454 03:56:53.012 --> 03:56:55.012 AMBULANCE TRAFFIC IN MY ALMOST 7455 03:56:55.012 --> 03:56:57.023 THREE YEARS OF WORKING THERE WE 7456 03:56:57.023 --> 03:56:58.018 WENT RED A SUM TOTAL OF FIVE 7457 03:56:58.018 --> 03:57:00.024 TIMES SINCE DECEMBER NINTH IT 7458 03:57:00.024 --> 03:57:02.022 SEEMS LIKE WE HAVE GONE RED 7459 03:57:02.022 --> 03:57:04.011 AT LEAST SEVERAL TIMES A WEEK 7460 03:57:04.011 --> 03:57:06.002 BOTH BECAUSE OF BED SHORTAGES 7461 03:57:06.002 --> 03:57:08.017 AND TO FORCE OTHER HOSPITALS TO 7462 03:57:08.017 --> 03:57:09.006 OPEN BECAUSE WHEN THREE OR MORE 7463 03:57:09.006 --> 03:57:11.006 HOSPITALS ARE RED ALMOST OPEN 7464 03:57:11.006 --> 03:57:13.023 CLOSING A MAJOR TRAUMA CENTER 7465 03:57:13.023 --> 03:57:14.006 IN ONE OF THE BUSIEST ERS IN 7466 03:57:14.006 --> 03:57:16.017 THE AREA HAS A HUGE FAR 7467 03:57:16.017 --> 03:57:17.021 REACHING IMPACT. I FEEL THIS 7468 03:57:17.021 --> 03:57:19.017 SITE SHOULD REMAIN A HOSPITAL 7469 03:57:19.017 --> 03:57:21.029 AND NOT BE SOLD FOR OTHER 7470 03:57:21.029 --> 03:57:22.016 PURPOSES RESPECTFULLY. KATHLEEN 7471 03:57:22.016 --> 03:57:25.011 HERRING, THANK THANK >> YOU. 7472 03:57:25.011 --> 03:57:27.005 ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, YOLANDA. 7473 03:57:27.005 --> 03:57:29.021 AND THEN BERKLEY WILL BE OUR 7474 03:57:29.021 --> 03:57:30.023 LAST SPEAKER ON. YOU'RE 7475 03:57:30.023 --> 03:57:31.001 WELCOME. AND WE HAVE 2 MINUTES 7476 03:57:31.001 --> 03:57:33.016 . WELL, GOOD AFTERNOON LADIES 7477 03:57:33.016 --> 03:57:41.026 AND GENTLEMEN. THAT I AM 7478 03:57:41.026 --> 03:57:42.012 SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF FIRST 7479 03:57:42.012 --> 03:57:44.018 CHRISTIAN CHURCH AND COMMUNITY 7480 03:57:44.018 --> 03:57:46.012 HOMELESS ALLIANCE MEMBER >> >> 7481 03:57:46.012 --> 03:57:51.011 EXCUSE ME I AM SPEAKING ON 7482 03:57:51.011 --> 03:57:53.014 BEHALF OF FIRST CHRISTIAN 7483 03:57:53.014 --> 03:57:54.023 CHURCH AND COMMUNITY HOMELESS 7484 03:57:54.023 --> 03:57:55.019 ALLIANCE MINISTRY. I HAVE >> 7485 03:57:55.019 --> 03:57:58.029 WITH ME A COPY OF A LETTER THAT 7486 03:57:58.029 --> 03:58:00.029 WAS SIGNED BY REVEREND RON 7487 03:58:00.029 --> 03:58:02.022 BECKMANN AND PASTOR SCOTT 7488 03:58:02.022 --> 03:58:04.023 WAGERS. PASTOR >> VON IS THE 7489 03:58:04.023 --> 03:58:08.003 SENIOR MINISTER OF FIRST 7490 03:58:08.003 --> 03:58:11.016 CHRISTIAN AND OF COURSE PASTOR 7491 03:58:11.016 --> 03:58:12.012 SCOTT, AS YOU KNOW IS THE AS 7492 03:58:12.012 --> 03:58:14.003 CHAIRMAN PASTOR, I WON'T READ 7493 03:58:14.003 --> 03:58:17.022 THE LETTER HERE BECAUSE IT WAS 7494 03:58:17.022 --> 03:58:19.026 ADDRESSED TO THE CITY OR TO THE 7495 03:58:19.026 --> 03:58:21.015 MAYOR AND TO THE CITY COUNCIL 7496 03:58:21.015 --> 03:58:23.017 >> AND BUT IT DOES >> REITERATE 7497 03:58:23.017 --> 03:58:26.016 SUPPORT WHAT THE WHAT IMPACT 7498 03:58:26.016 --> 03:58:29.006 STUDY IS STATING NOW WHAT WE >> 7499 03:58:29.006 --> 03:58:33.001 WOULD LIKE SEE BECAUSE YOU DO 7500 03:58:33.001 --> 03:58:35.028 HAVE INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE 7501 03:58:35.028 --> 03:58:38.011 WITH THE CLOSURE OF SAN JOSE 7502 03:58:38.011 --> 03:58:41.020 MEDICAL CENTER, YOU STILL HAVE 7503 03:58:41.020 --> 03:58:42.016 AN ADDITIONAL INFRASTRUCTURE IN 7504 03:58:42.016 --> 03:58:44.029 PLACE TO USE THAT WE WOULD LIKE 7505 03:58:44.029 --> 03:58:46.015 TO SEE THAT INFRASTRUCTURE USED 7506 03:58:46.015 --> 03:58:49.027 UPGRADED AS NECESSARY AND 7507 03:58:49.027 --> 03:58:51.018 TURNED INTO A 24 HOUR >> SEVEN 7508 03:58:51.018 --> 03:58:54.007 DAY A WEEK URGENT CARE CLINIC 7509 03:58:54.007 --> 03:58:58.027 AND PART >> OF THE PROBLEM THAT 7510 03:58:58.027 --> 03:58:59.027 WE ARE SEEING IS THAT BECAUSE 7511 03:58:59.027 --> 03:59:01.012 OF THE POPULATION THAT WE SERVE 7512 03:59:01.012 --> 03:59:04.010 AT FIRST CHRISTIAN NUMBER ONE 7513 03:59:04.010 --> 03:59:06.008 IT'S A POOR POPULATION. >> THEY 7514 03:59:06.008 --> 03:59:09.021 HAVE THEIR TROUBLE WITH 7515 03:59:09.021 --> 03:59:11.015 TRANSPORTATION EVEN SOMETHING 7516 03:59:11.015 --> 03:59:14.021 AS CLOSE AS REGIONAL CAN BE 7517 03:59:14.021 --> 03:59:17.006 DIFFICULT TO GET TO WHEN YOU 7518 03:59:17.006 --> 03:59:19.012 DON'T HAVE A VEHICLE SO CLASSIC 7519 03:59:19.012 --> 03:59:23.004 >> EXAMPLE IS ONE OF OUR 7520 03:59:23.004 --> 03:59:25.010 RESIDENTS YESTERDAY DEVELOPED 7521 03:59:25.010 --> 03:59:27.029 VERY SEVERE BREATHING PROBLEMS. 7522 03:59:27.029 --> 03:59:30.015 TIME CAN BE CRITICAL. SHE ENDED 7523 03:59:30.015 --> 03:59:34.007 UP HAVING TO BE TRANSPORTED BY 7524 03:59:34.007 --> 03:59:36.016 AMBULANCE TO VALLEY AND BECAUSE 7525 03:59:36.016 --> 03:59:40.003 OF A VALID MEDICAL NOW WITH THE 7526 03:59:40.003 --> 03:59:42.000 CLOSURE OF TUNNELS A MEDICAL TO 7527 03:59:42.000 --> 03:59:44.022 MS. THANK YOU. ALL I WILL SAY 7528 03:59:44.022 --> 03:59:46.017 IS THAT YOU KNOW, GIVEN SOME 7529 03:59:46.017 --> 03:59:48.012 VERY SERIOUS THOUGHT YOU KNOW 7530 03:59:48.012 --> 03:59:51.027 PEOPLE BECAUSE LIVES ARE 7531 03:59:51.027 --> 03:59:52.009 AT STAKE >> WE UNDERSTAND. 7532 03:59:52.009 --> 03:59:54.011 THANK YOU BERKELEY YOUR LAST 7533 03:59:54.011 --> 03:59:56.007 SPEAKER ON THAT AND WELCOME 7534 03:59:56.007 --> 03:59:57.012 SIR, YOU HAVE 2 MINUTES. >> 7535 03:59:57.012 --> 03:59:59.011 MAYOR COUNCILMEMBERS, I AM SO 7536 03:59:59.011 --> 04:00:01.022 HAPPY TO BE YOUR WIND UP 7537 04:00:01.022 --> 04:00:02.027 SPEAKER FIRST LET ME CORRECT 7538 04:00:02.027 --> 04:00:05.006 THE RECORD REGIONAL IS NOT 7539 04:00:05.006 --> 04:00:08.024 TAKING REGULAR MEDI-CAL 7540 04:00:08.024 --> 04:00:09.021 PATIENTS BUT I'M A OF THE 7541 04:00:09.021 --> 04:00:11.029 CONSUMER AFFAIRS COMMITTEE 7542 04:00:11.029 --> 04:00:12.008 OF THE FAMILY HEALTH PLAN WHICH 7543 04:00:12.008 --> 04:00:14.012 IS MANAGED CARE AND THEY DO 7544 04:00:14.012 --> 04:00:16.020 TAKE OUR PATIENTS THROUGH 7545 04:00:16.020 --> 04:00:17.008 CONTRACT WITH OUR >> HEALTH 7546 04:00:17.008 --> 04:00:19.017 PLAN AND OUR THE SECOND POINT 7547 04:00:19.017 --> 04:00:22.023 IS WE LOOK AT THE SITUATION >> 7548 04:00:22.023 --> 04:00:25.019 ISOLATION BUT THERE WAS A BOOK 7549 04:00:25.019 --> 04:00:27.028 THAT WAS PUBLISHED IN NOVEMBER 7550 04:00:27.028 --> 04:00:28.021 CALLED CONDITION CRITICAL AND 7551 04:00:28.021 --> 04:00:31.020 IT'S A CAREFUL STUDY THAT SHOWS 7552 04:00:31.020 --> 04:00:33.018 THAT THIS PHENOMENA OF PRIVATE 7553 04:00:33.018 --> 04:00:35.022 PROFIT MAKING CORPORATIONS >> 7554 04:00:35.022 --> 04:00:37.012 MOVING INTO THE HOSPITAL HEALTH 7555 04:00:37.012 --> 04:00:39.011 BUSINESS IS NATIONWIDE >> 7556 04:00:39.011 --> 04:00:41.015 PHENOMENON AND THE BEHAVIOR 7557 04:00:41.015 --> 04:00:43.025 THAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE AND 7558 04:00:43.025 --> 04:00:45.008 POSSIBLY >> IT'LL BE REPEATED 7559 04:00:45.008 --> 04:00:47.012 WITH REGIONAL IF IT DOESN'T 7560 04:00:47.012 --> 04:00:48.024 MAKE MONEY IS THE SACRIFICE 7561 04:00:48.024 --> 04:00:50.002 OF OUR HEALTH CARE BY PROFIT 7562 04:00:50.002 --> 04:00:53.008 MAKING ORGANIZATIONS. SO 7563 04:00:53.008 --> 04:00:54.029 THERE'S BEEN A BIG SHIFT FROM 7564 04:00:54.029 --> 04:00:55.015 NONPROFIT MANAGEMENT TO PROFIT 7565 04:00:55.015 --> 04:00:58.002 MAKING IN THIS SECTOR AND 7566 04:00:58.002 --> 04:01:01.011 OF COURSE THE PATIENTS ARE >> 7567 04:01:01.011 --> 04:01:03.022 PAINED. SO I HOPE YOU READ THAT 7568 04:01:03.022 --> 04:01:05.017 BOOK AND I'LL SEND AN EMAIL TO 7569 04:01:05.017 --> 04:01:07.019 THE MAYOR DOCUMENTING. RIGHT. 7570 04:01:07.019 --> 04:01:09.028 THANK YOU. THAT COMPLETES THE 7571 04:01:09.028 --> 04:01:10.029 PUBLIC COMMENTS AND THAT AND 7572 04:01:10.029 --> 04:01:11.026 WHEN WE TURN TO COUNCIL THERE 7573 04:01:11.026 --> 04:01:12.022 IS A MOTION AND SECOND ON THE 7574 04:01:12.022 --> 04:01:14.019 FLOOR ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS ON 7575 04:01:14.019 --> 04:01:16.000 THE MOTION >> AND LET'S TRY TO 7576 04:01:16.000 --> 04:01:18.024 BE AS SUCCINCT BECAUSE WE'VE 7577 04:01:18.024 --> 04:01:19.027 GOT A LOT OF ITEMS TO 7578 04:01:19.027 --> 04:01:20.026 GO THROUGH ON THE AGENDA 7579 04:01:20.026 --> 04:01:21.019 COUNCIL WHICH I WAS A COMING 7580 04:01:21.019 --> 04:01:23.005 DID I DID MARIANNE THIS ANYONE 7581 04:01:23.005 --> 04:01:25.004 HAS ANY QUESTIONS OR OKAY >> I 7582 04:01:25.004 --> 04:01:29.017 WANTED TO >> JUST MAKE A FEW 7583 04:01:29.017 --> 04:01:30.008 BRIEF COMMENTS AND I APOLOGIZE. 7584 04:01:30.008 --> 04:01:32.009 I KNOW IS VERY LATE AND LATE IN 7585 04:01:32.009 --> 04:01:34.011 THE HOUR BUT WE'RE ASKING 7586 04:01:34.011 --> 04:01:35.005 DIRECTING >> OUR STAFF TO TAKE 7587 04:01:35.005 --> 04:01:37.009 SOME AND I JUST WANT TO 7588 04:01:37.009 --> 04:01:38.015 REINFORCE SOME OF WHAT I 7589 04:01:38.015 --> 04:01:40.028 LEARNED FROM THE STUDY. FIRST 7590 04:01:40.028 --> 04:01:42.004 OF ALL, THE BEST CASE >> 7591 04:01:42.004 --> 04:01:44.018 SCENARIO WE DON'T NEED MORE 7592 04:01:44.018 --> 04:01:46.028 HOSPITAL BEDS UNTIL 2020. IN 7593 04:01:46.028 --> 04:01:49.021 THE WORST CASE SCENARIO >> WE 7594 04:01:49.021 --> 04:01:51.018 NEED HOSPITAL BEDS >> IN 2010 7595 04:01:51.018 --> 04:01:54.006 IT TAKES BETWEEN FIVE AND SEVEN 7596 04:01:54.006 --> 04:01:56.021 YEARS TO SITE AND BUILD A 7597 04:01:56.021 --> 04:01:57.023 HOSPITAL AND >> SO WE ARE RIGHT 7598 04:01:57.023 --> 04:01:59.015 IN THE TIME FRAME OF GETTING 7599 04:01:59.015 --> 04:02:01.025 READY I THINK TO WHAT YOU 7600 04:02:01.025 --> 04:02:02.007 POINTED OUT, 7601 04:02:02.007 --> 04:02:04.014 COUNCILMEMBER GREGORY OF BEING 7602 04:02:04.014 --> 04:02:07.003 >> PREPARED TO RESPOND TO WHAT 7603 04:02:07.003 --> 04:02:09.029 ARE NEEDS ARE GOING TO BE THE 7604 04:02:09.029 --> 04:02:13.026 MOST SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS OF THE 7605 04:02:13.026 --> 04:02:15.023 CLOSURE ARE THE LOSS OF AN E.R. 7606 04:02:15.023 --> 04:02:18.010 ROOM, THE POTENTIAL LOSS OF A 7607 04:02:18.010 --> 04:02:20.020 TRAUMA CENTER AND THE LOSS 7608 04:02:20.020 --> 04:02:21.012 OF OUTPATIENT SERVICES AND 7609 04:02:21.012 --> 04:02:23.026 RELOCATION OF SUCH SERVICES 7610 04:02:23.026 --> 04:02:24.019 WHICH ESSENTIALLY MEANS ACCESS 7611 04:02:24.019 --> 04:02:26.004 ACCESS ACCESS. >> SO OVERALL 7612 04:02:26.004 --> 04:02:29.029 HEALTH AND SAFETY ARE BEING 7613 04:02:29.029 --> 04:02:30.014 NEGATIVELY IMPACTED AS A 7614 04:02:30.014 --> 04:02:32.022 COMMUNITY IN ADDITION, I THINK 7615 04:02:32.022 --> 04:02:34.000 THIS NEGATIVELY >> IMPACTS OUR 7616 04:02:34.000 --> 04:02:36.013 ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGIES 7617 04:02:36.013 --> 04:02:37.013 AS OUTLINED IN OUR GETTING 7618 04:02:37.013 --> 04:02:38.018 FAMILIES BACK TO WORK BECAUSE 7619 04:02:38.018 --> 04:02:39.024 ONE OF THOSE STRATEGIES WAS TO 7620 04:02:39.024 --> 04:02:40.007 INCREASE OPPORTUNITIES FOR 7621 04:02:40.007 --> 04:02:42.003 PEOPLE TO WORK IN THE HEALTH 7622 04:02:42.003 --> 04:02:43.008 CARE FIELD BECAUSE PEOPLE COULD 7623 04:02:43.008 --> 04:02:44.027 MAKE A LIVING WAGE DOING THAT. 7624 04:02:44.027 --> 04:02:46.021 THE FOLKS >> WHO ARE GOING TO 7625 04:02:46.021 --> 04:02:47.006 BE MOST IMPACTED ARE NOT JUST 7626 04:02:47.006 --> 04:02:49.024 PEOPLE IN DOWNTOWN. IT'S GOING 7627 04:02:49.024 --> 04:02:50.008 TO IT HAS ALREADY AS YOU'VE 7628 04:02:50.008 --> 04:02:52.024 HEARD FROM AT LEAST ONE 7629 04:02:52.024 --> 04:02:53.009 REGISTERED NURSE AND BEGUN TO 7630 04:02:53.009 --> 04:02:55.008 IMPACT PEOPLE CITYWIDE AND I 7631 04:02:55.008 --> 04:02:57.004 THINK EVENTUALLY REGION WIDE 7632 04:02:57.004 --> 04:02:59.020 BUT IN PARTICULAR SENIORS, LOW 7633 04:02:59.020 --> 04:03:01.007 INCOME COMMUNITY AND FOLKS WHO 7634 04:03:01.007 --> 04:03:03.011 ARE GOING TO BE IN >> NEED 7635 04:03:03.011 --> 04:03:04.021 OF IMMEDIATE CARE. THE LONG 7636 04:03:04.021 --> 04:03:07.027 TERM EFFECTS IN THE SHORT TERM 7637 04:03:07.027 --> 04:03:08.003 EFFECTS ARE PROBABLY WE'RE 7638 04:03:08.003 --> 04:03:11.010 PROBABLY GOING TO SEE THOSE OUT 7639 04:03:11.010 --> 04:03:12.003 BUT IRRESPECTIVE OF WHAT WE 7640 04:03:12.003 --> 04:03:14.013 KNOW HAPPENS I MEAN WHAT WE 7641 04:03:14.013 --> 04:03:15.012 THINK WILL HAPPEN IN THE SHORT 7642 04:03:15.012 --> 04:03:16.028 TERM NO MATTER >> HOW YOU PAINT 7643 04:03:16.028 --> 04:03:17.029 THIS, WE LOSE HOSPITAL BEDS AND 7644 04:03:17.029 --> 04:03:19.028 WE LOSE >> AN EMERGENCY ROOM IN 7645 04:03:19.028 --> 04:03:21.000 A COMMUNITY THAT IS GOING TO BE 7646 04:03:21.000 --> 04:03:24.004 THE 10TH LARGEST CITY. BUT 7647 04:03:24.004 --> 04:03:25.015 WHERE WE ANTICIPATE GOING TO 7648 04:03:25.015 --> 04:03:26.009 HAVE INCREASED GROWTH SO >> 7649 04:03:26.009 --> 04:03:30.009 THAT THAT BEING SAID, I JUST 7650 04:03:30.009 --> 04:03:32.027 WANTED >> TO WRAP UP ON THIS ON 7651 04:03:32.027 --> 04:03:34.022 THIS SINGLE NOTE THERE IS SO 7652 04:03:34.022 --> 04:03:36.016 MUCH >> HAPPENING IN IN HEALTH 7653 04:03:36.016 --> 04:03:38.014 CARE AND WE YOU KNOW, WE'RE 7654 04:03:38.014 --> 04:03:41.005 SORT OF ON THE RECEIVING END AS 7655 04:03:41.005 --> 04:03:43.026 A CITY. BUT AS WE >> THINK 7656 04:03:43.026 --> 04:03:44.025 ABOUT THE OVERALL HEALTH AND 7657 04:03:44.025 --> 04:03:46.000 WELFARE OF OUR COMMUNITY, I 7658 04:03:46.000 --> 04:03:48.000 THINK THE DIRECTION WE'RE 7659 04:03:48.000 --> 04:03:49.008 TAKING IS A GOOD ONE AS WE 7660 04:03:49.008 --> 04:03:50.007 THINK ABOUT ECONOMIC 7661 04:03:50.007 --> 04:03:51.005 DEVELOPMENT, THERE IS PROBABLY 7662 04:03:51.005 --> 04:03:53.026 >> MORE TO BE DONE. I FOR 7663 04:03:53.026 --> 04:03:55.002 CLARIFICATION >> WANT TO JUST 7664 04:03:55.002 --> 04:03:57.016 POINT OUT ON THE SECOND UNDER 7665 04:03:57.016 --> 04:03:58.010 THE SECOND POINT OF DIRECTING 7666 04:03:58.010 --> 04:04:00.026 OUR ADMINISTRATION, WE'RE 7667 04:04:00.026 --> 04:04:01.008 ASKING OUR STAFF TO INITIATE 7668 04:04:01.008 --> 04:04:03.022 DISCUSSIONS WITH MEDICAL HEALTH 7669 04:04:03.022 --> 04:04:04.004 CARE PROVIDERS >> AND THAT 7670 04:04:04.004 --> 04:04:06.008 INCLUDES HCA TOWARDS >> AN 7671 04:04:06.008 --> 04:04:08.008 AGREEMENT THAT WOULD ADDRESS 7672 04:04:08.008 --> 04:04:09.015 PUBLIC NEEDS AND LEAD TO 7673 04:04:09.015 --> 04:04:10.027 MEDICAL HEALTH CARE REUSE 7674 04:04:10.027 --> 04:04:11.028 OF THE SAN MEDICAL CENTER 7675 04:04:11.028 --> 04:04:12.015 PROPERTY OR OTHER DOWNTOWN 7676 04:04:12.015 --> 04:04:14.002 SITES IN ORDER TO MEET THE 7677 04:04:14.002 --> 04:04:16.024 ANTICIPATED LONG TERM DEMANDS 7678 04:04:16.024 --> 04:04:17.019 OF THE DOWNTOWN AREA. IN 7679 04:04:17.019 --> 04:04:19.001 ADDITION, WE'VE ASKED STAFF TO 7680 04:04:19.001 --> 04:04:21.023 INCLUDE LOOKING AT >> THE 7681 04:04:21.023 --> 04:04:22.026 AGREEMENT WITH WITH ELECTION 7682 04:04:22.026 --> 04:04:25.016 AND THE SETTLEMENT THAT THAT 7683 04:04:25.016 --> 04:04:27.010 WAS MADE AND AND THE IMPACTS ON 7684 04:04:27.010 --> 04:04:29.029 THIS ON HCA AND PROBABLY THAT 7685 04:04:29.029 --> 04:04:31.006 INCLUDES SAN JOSE THE SAN JOSE 7686 04:04:31.006 --> 04:04:34.025 MEDICAL CENTER SITE AND ALSO 7687 04:04:34.025 --> 04:04:36.011 LOOK >> AT REGIONAL AND THE 7688 04:04:36.011 --> 04:04:38.013 ROLE IN DOWNTOWN PATIENT CARE 7689 04:04:38.013 --> 04:04:40.026 DUE TO THE CHANGE MEDI-CAL AND 7690 04:04:40.026 --> 04:04:42.028 I THINK THAT WE SHOULD ADD THE 7691 04:04:42.028 --> 04:04:44.027 POINT THAT MR. BROWNSTEIN ABOUT 7692 04:04:44.027 --> 04:04:46.017 UNDERSTANDING THE IMPACTS 7693 04:04:46.017 --> 04:04:48.016 OF THE STATE BUDGET IN 7694 04:04:48.016 --> 04:04:49.005 PARTICULAR MEDI-CAL REDESIGN ON 7695 04:04:49.005 --> 04:04:52.004 >> ON PATIENT HEALTH BECAUSE 7696 04:04:52.004 --> 04:04:54.021 THAT COULD MOVE THE DATE. 7697 04:04:54.021 --> 04:04:55.002 THAT'S ONE OF THOSE INDICATORS 7698 04:04:55.002 --> 04:04:57.024 THAT MOVE THE DATE FROM 2020 TO 7699 04:04:57.024 --> 04:04:58.016 CLOSER TO 2010. SO I JUST FOR 7700 04:04:58.016 --> 04:05:01.006 CLARIFICATION OF THAT NOW. 7701 04:05:01.006 --> 04:05:04.000 OKAY. THANK YOU. ON THE MOTION 7702 04:05:04.000 --> 04:05:06.004 CUSTOMARY YOU CAN HAVE A 7703 04:05:06.004 --> 04:05:08.019 QUESTION WITH REGARD TO ZONING 7704 04:05:08.019 --> 04:05:09.019 AND GENERAL PLAN I KEEP ASKING 7705 04:05:09.019 --> 04:05:11.028 I KEEP FORGETTING WHAT IS IT ON 7706 04:05:11.028 --> 04:05:12.027 THIS SITE? JUST WANT TO MAKE 7707 04:05:12.027 --> 04:05:16.028 SURE IT HASN'T BEEN CHANGED. 7708 04:05:16.028 --> 04:05:17.003 WELL I WASN'T WASN'T PAYING 7709 04:05:17.003 --> 04:05:19.003 ATTENTION. IT >> HAS NOT BEEN 7710 04:05:19.003 --> 04:05:20.015 CHANGED. IT IS ZONE FOR HEALTH 7711 04:05:20.015 --> 04:05:21.022 CARE. OKAY IT'S IT'S IT'S 7712 04:05:21.022 --> 04:05:24.000 PUBLIC QUASI PUBLIC. IT'S OKAY. 7713 04:05:24.000 --> 04:05:28.003 ALL RIGHT. ANY OF THE COMMENTS 7714 04:05:28.003 --> 04:05:29.021 IN MOTION IS THERE ANY DISSENT 7715 04:05:29.021 --> 04:05:30.018 ON THE MOTION THAT MOTION 7716 04:05:30.018 --> 04:05:32.023 UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU ALL FOR 7717 04:05:32.023 --> 04:05:33.016 BEING HERE THIS AFTERNOON. 7718 04:05:33.016 --> 04:05:35.021 WE'RE NOW GOING TO MOVE TO ITEM 7719 04:05:35.021 --> 04:05:36.011 3.5 WHICH IS ACCEPTANCE OF THE 7720 04:05:36.011 --> 04:05:38.024 COMPREHENSIVE ANNUAL FINANCIAL 7721 04:05:38.024 --> 04:05:39.024 REPORT. WE HAVE A REPORT BY OUR 7722 04:05:39.024 --> 04:05:42.011 CITY AUDITOR AND SCOTT JOHNSON 7723 04:05:42.011 --> 04:05:44.011 >> AND OUR CITY OFFICER >> 7724 04:05:44.011 --> 04:05:47.019 JERRY SELF, A CITY AUDITOR. I'M 7725 04:05:47.019 --> 04:05:49.024 VERY PLEASED TO BE A 7726 04:05:49.024 --> 04:05:50.009 PARTICIPANT IN THE PRESENTATION 7727 04:05:50.009 --> 04:05:52.012 OF THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE 7728 04:05:52.012 --> 04:05:53.011 ANNUAL FINANCIAL >> REPORT. I 7729 04:05:53.011 --> 04:05:56.026 KNOW IT'S LATE AND THE COUNCIL 7730 04:05:56.026 --> 04:05:58.001 IS PROBABLY ANXIOUS TO TAKE 7731 04:05:58.001 --> 04:06:00.017 YOUR DINNER BREAK. WE CAN 7732 04:06:00.017 --> 04:06:01.009 ACTUALLY DO THIS IN A COUPLE 7733 04:06:01.009 --> 04:06:03.015 OF DIFFERENT WAYS IF YOU WOULD 7734 04:06:03.015 --> 04:06:05.019 LIKE. WE'VE MADE A PRESENTATION 7735 04:06:05.019 --> 04:06:07.021 ALREADY TO THE MAKING 7736 04:06:07.021 --> 04:06:08.019 GOVERNMENT WORK BETTER 7737 04:06:08.019 --> 04:06:09.021 COMMITTEE. YOU CAN ADOPT AND 7738 04:06:09.021 --> 04:06:11.012 YOU CAN APPROVE THE 7739 04:06:11.012 --> 04:06:12.025 RECOMMENDATION AND APPROVE THE 7740 04:06:12.025 --> 04:06:13.018 REPORT IF YOU LIKE OR SCOTT 7741 04:06:13.018 --> 04:06:15.004 JOHNSON AND KEVIN O'CONNELL, 7742 04:06:15.004 --> 04:06:17.020 THE ENGAGEMENT PARTNER FROM THE 7743 04:06:17.020 --> 04:06:18.020 CAC JENNY ARE PREPARED TO MAKE 7744 04:06:18.020 --> 04:06:20.015 A VERY BRIEF PRESENTATION AND 7745 04:06:20.015 --> 04:06:22.008 ANSWER QUESTIONS. >> ALL RIGHT 7746 04:06:22.008 --> 04:06:24.013 I'M GOING TO SUGGEST GIVEN THE 7747 04:06:24.013 --> 04:06:25.022 TIME AND THE OTHER ITEMS WE 7748 04:06:25.022 --> 04:06:26.028 HAVE ON THE AGENDA THAT WE'LL 7749 04:06:26.028 --> 04:06:27.009 TAKE QUESTIONS OF ANYONE BY THE 7750 04:06:27.009 --> 04:06:30.016 COUNCIL AND WE'LL START THAT 7751 04:06:30.016 --> 04:06:32.023 FIRST. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS 7752 04:06:32.023 --> 04:06:33.020 STAFF ON THIS ITEM CUSTOMARY? 7753 04:06:33.020 --> 04:06:36.001 THANK YOU VERY CONCISE. I HAVE 7754 04:06:36.001 --> 04:06:38.018 THREE QUESTIONS I WANT TO ASK 7755 04:06:38.018 --> 04:06:39.012 ALREADY KNOW THE ANSWERS 7756 04:06:39.012 --> 04:06:40.001 BECAUSE I ASKED THEM IN 7757 04:06:40.001 --> 04:06:41.000 COMMITTEE BUT I THINK IT'S 7758 04:06:41.000 --> 04:06:42.006 IMPORTANT FOR THE PUBLIC TO 7759 04:06:42.006 --> 04:06:44.017 KNOW THE ANSWERS. WE READ IN 7760 04:06:44.017 --> 04:06:45.020 THE PAPER TODAY THAT THE CITY 7761 04:06:45.020 --> 04:06:46.000 ATTORNEY OF SAN DIEGO THINKS 7762 04:06:46.000 --> 04:06:48.021 THEY MAY HAVE TO FILE 7763 04:06:48.021 --> 04:06:48.029 BANKRUPTCY BECAUSE 7764 04:06:48.029 --> 04:06:50.020 OF OBLIGATIONS THAT THEY FAILED 7765 04:06:50.020 --> 04:06:52.025 TO PROVIDE FOR THAT THEY AGREED 7766 04:06:52.025 --> 04:06:54.016 TO THAT THEY DIDN'T BOOK AND 7767 04:06:54.016 --> 04:06:56.013 WEREN'T SHOWING THEIR FINANCIAL 7768 04:06:56.013 --> 04:06:57.029 STATEMENTS. SO FIRST QUESTION 7769 04:06:57.029 --> 04:06:58.005 IS HAVE WE BOOKED ALL OF OUR 7770 04:06:58.005 --> 04:07:00.009 LIABILITIES AND ARE THEY 7771 04:07:00.009 --> 04:07:01.018 PROPERLY IN THIS REPORT? >> 7772 04:07:01.018 --> 04:07:04.021 GOOD EVENING SCOTT JOHNSON, 7773 04:07:04.021 --> 04:07:05.006 DIRECTOR OF FINANCE YES. 7774 04:07:05.006 --> 04:07:07.017 COUNCILMEMBER REED WE HAVE IN 7775 04:07:07.017 --> 04:07:08.018 REGARD SPECIFICALLY TO THE 7776 04:07:08.018 --> 04:07:10.002 PENSION LIABILITIES WE HAVE 7777 04:07:10.002 --> 04:07:12.015 THOSE BOOKS THE CITY MAKES FULL 7778 04:07:12.015 --> 04:07:13.004 CONTRIBUTIONS AS REQUIRED BY 7779 04:07:13.004 --> 04:07:16.019 THE ACTUAL REPORTS >> AND THEN 7780 04:07:16.019 --> 04:07:19.010 THE SECOND ONE IS WHEN I WAKE 7781 04:07:19.010 --> 04:07:23.006 UP IN THE MIDDLE OF NIGHT AND 7782 04:07:23.006 --> 04:07:24.002 WORRY ABOUT THE FINANCIAL 7783 04:07:24.002 --> 04:07:25.013 CONDITION OF THE CITY, IS THE 7784 04:07:25.013 --> 04:07:26.028 OUTSIDE AUDITOR ALSO WAKING UP 7785 04:07:26.028 --> 04:07:27.023 IN THE MIDDLE OF NIGHT WORRYING 7786 04:07:27.023 --> 04:07:28.027 ABOUT THE FINANCIAL CONDITION 7787 04:07:28.027 --> 04:07:29.027 OF THE CITY >> 7788 04:07:29.027 --> 04:07:34.011 COUNCILMEMBER KEVIN O'CONNELL I 7789 04:07:34.011 --> 04:07:37.011 COME IN, I ASK YOU THOSE 7790 04:07:37.011 --> 04:07:38.021 QUESTIONS. I ASK YOU WHAT KEEPS 7791 04:07:38.021 --> 04:07:39.014 >> YOU UP DURING THE MIDDLE 7792 04:07:39.014 --> 04:07:40.013 OF THE NIGHT ACTUALLY THIS YEAR 7793 04:07:40.013 --> 04:07:42.015 WAS VERY PRODUCTIVE IN THE 7794 04:07:42.015 --> 04:07:43.006 SENSE THAT WE HAD AN 7795 04:07:43.006 --> 04:07:44.023 OPPORTUNITY TO TALK NOT ONLY TO 7796 04:07:44.023 --> 04:07:45.016 THE EXECUTIVE BUT ALSO >> A 7797 04:07:45.016 --> 04:07:47.008 NUMBER OF MEMBERS OF COUNCIL 7798 04:07:47.008 --> 04:07:50.025 ABOUT WHAT CONCERNS WHAT ARE 7799 04:07:50.025 --> 04:07:51.025 THE TYPES OF THINGS THAT KEEP 7800 04:07:51.025 --> 04:07:52.018 THEM UP AT NIGHT. ONE OF THE 7801 04:07:52.018 --> 04:07:54.015 THINGS THAT I WAS GOING TO 7802 04:07:54.015 --> 04:07:55.003 MENTION IN MY PRESENTATION IS 7803 04:07:55.003 --> 04:07:57.007 THE FACT THAT AT THIS CITY 7804 04:07:57.007 --> 04:07:59.007 DESPITE WHAT YOU READ IN THE 7805 04:07:59.007 --> 04:08:00.011 HEADLINES TODAY, WE FEEL THAT 7806 04:08:00.011 --> 04:08:02.026 YOU COMPARE VERY FAVORABLY AND 7807 04:08:02.026 --> 04:08:03.025 WE'VE AUDITED SOME OF >> THE 7808 04:08:03.025 --> 04:08:04.021 LARGEST CITIES THE STATE AND 7809 04:08:04.021 --> 04:08:06.024 THE NATION. ONE OF THE REASONS 7810 04:08:06.024 --> 04:08:08.027 THAT WE FEEL THAT WAY IS 7811 04:08:08.027 --> 04:08:09.003 BECAUSE WE FEEL THAT YOU HAVE 7812 04:08:09.003 --> 04:08:11.025 FOLKS THAT ARE TRULY ENGAGED 7813 04:08:11.025 --> 04:08:12.004 AT EVERY LEVEL OF THE PROCESS 7814 04:08:12.004 --> 04:08:15.008 FROM THE STAFF LEVEL WHEN IT 7815 04:08:15.008 --> 04:08:16.012 COMES TO IMPLEMENTATION OF NEW 7816 04:08:16.012 --> 04:08:17.010 STANDARDS. THE MANAGEMENT LEVEL 7817 04:08:17.010 --> 04:08:19.014 THAT WE THINK >> HAS SORT OF A 7818 04:08:19.014 --> 04:08:20.008 PERFORMANCE >> MINDSET IN THE 7819 04:08:20.008 --> 04:08:22.000 SENSE THAT THEY'RE ALWAYS 7820 04:08:22.000 --> 04:08:23.012 TRYING TO STRIVE FOR CONTINUOUS 7821 04:08:23.012 --> 04:08:24.024 >> IMPROVEMENT AND THEN WITH 7822 04:08:24.024 --> 04:08:25.008 OUR INTERACTION WITH THE 7823 04:08:25.008 --> 04:08:27.013 COMMITTEE AND MEMBERS 7824 04:08:27.013 --> 04:08:28.028 OF COUNCIL WE GET >> QUESTIONS 7825 04:08:28.028 --> 04:08:30.007 LIKE WHAT? WHAT ABOUT OFF 7826 04:08:30.007 --> 04:08:32.006 BALANCE SHEET FINANCING 7827 04:08:32.006 --> 04:08:33.021 ARRANGEMENTS? DO WE HAVE ANY 7828 04:08:33.021 --> 04:08:34.003 WHAT KIND OF PROACTIVE MEASURES 7829 04:08:34.003 --> 04:08:36.025 CAN WE TAKE AS A CITY TO MAKE 7830 04:08:36.025 --> 04:08:37.026 SURE THAT WE DON'T RUN INTO THE 7831 04:08:37.026 --> 04:08:38.010 SAME KINDS >> OF PROBLEMS THAT 7832 04:08:38.010 --> 04:08:40.019 WE'RE READING ABOUT IN 7833 04:08:40.019 --> 04:08:41.008 SAN DIEGO? SO TO ME THE 7834 04:08:41.008 --> 04:08:44.020 ATTITUDE THAT YOU HAVE AROUND 7835 04:08:44.020 --> 04:08:45.012 HERE IS ONE >> OF AWARENESS AND 7836 04:08:45.012 --> 04:08:47.000 I THINK THAT THAT BODES WELL 7837 04:08:47.000 --> 04:08:49.005 AND SETS THE PROPER TONE FOR A 7838 04:08:49.005 --> 04:08:51.005 VERY FISCALLY ACCOUNTABLE >> 7839 04:08:51.005 --> 04:08:54.013 ENVIRONMENT YOU WILL >> SO IT 7840 04:08:54.013 --> 04:08:56.004 SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE TELLING US 7841 04:08:56.004 --> 04:08:57.018 THAT YOU SLEEP ALL THE WAY 7842 04:08:57.018 --> 04:08:58.029 THROUGH BECAUSE WE EVERYTHING 7843 04:08:58.029 --> 04:08:59.015 RIGHT HERE. I DO INDEED. OKAY. 7844 04:08:59.015 --> 04:09:01.000 THAT THAT'S WHAT I THINK YOU'RE 7845 04:09:01.000 --> 04:09:03.013 GOING >> I SLEEP ALL THE WAY 7846 04:09:03.013 --> 04:09:04.000 THROUGH. I WANT TO READ THANK 7847 04:09:04.000 --> 04:09:06.003 YOU. >> THANK YOU. ANY OTHER 7848 04:09:06.003 --> 04:09:08.025 QUESTIONS? A STAFF AND ITEM 7849 04:09:08.025 --> 04:09:09.016 THAN WE HAD? CAN WE HAVE A 7850 04:09:09.016 --> 04:09:10.013 MOTION THEM MOTION SECOND TO 7851 04:09:10.013 --> 04:09:13.016 APPROVE THE ITEM. ARE THERE ANY 7852 04:09:13.016 --> 04:09:14.008 COMMENTS ON THE MOTION? ANY 7853 04:09:14.008 --> 04:09:16.027 DISSENT ON THE MOTION THAT 7854 04:09:16.027 --> 04:09:17.000 PASSES YOU? NANCY THANK YOU. 7855 04:09:17.000 --> 04:09:21.014 ITEM ITEM 3.6 IS ACCEPTANCE 7856 04:09:21.014 --> 04:09:24.005 OF THE ANNUAL DEBT REPORT. 7857 04:09:24.005 --> 04:09:26.010 AGAIN ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS 7858 04:09:26.010 --> 04:09:27.021 OF STAFF ON THIS ITEM? ALL 7859 04:09:27.021 --> 04:09:29.013 RIGHT. SEE NO QUESTIONS. 7860 04:09:29.013 --> 04:09:31.028 THERE'S A MOTION IN SECOND TO 7861 04:09:31.028 --> 04:09:32.008 APPROVE THE ITEM AND WE HAVE A 7862 04:09:32.008 --> 04:09:35.017 CARD. GARBETT >> IS WILLIAM >> 7863 04:09:35.017 --> 04:09:40.021 GARBETT SPEAKING ON BEHALF 7864 04:09:40.021 --> 04:09:41.015 PUBLIC MY COMMENTS APPLY TO THE 7865 04:09:41.015 --> 04:09:43.017 PREVIOUS ON THE AGENDA AS WELL. 7866 04:09:43.017 --> 04:09:46.022 THE CAPTURES BASICALLY 7867 04:09:46.022 --> 04:09:47.000 MISSTATES A NUMBER THINGS AND 7868 04:09:47.000 --> 04:09:50.007 THE ANNUAL >> DEBT REPORT MAKES 7869 04:09:50.007 --> 04:09:52.019 THEM IN VERY INDELIBLE. MANY 7870 04:09:52.019 --> 04:09:54.028 OF THE OBLIGATIONS ARE UNSTATED 7871 04:09:54.028 --> 04:09:56.000 BECAUSE MANY PROPERTIES ARE 7872 04:09:56.000 --> 04:09:59.002 BONDED TO MORE THAN ONE TIME 7873 04:09:59.002 --> 04:10:02.026 FOR THE SAME THING AND THEY ARE 7874 04:10:02.026 --> 04:10:03.014 NOT CARRIED OVER. THE 7875 04:10:03.014 --> 04:10:05.011 REDEVELOPMENT BONDS ARE ALSO 7876 04:10:05.011 --> 04:10:08.002 CRITICAL BUT YOU FAIL TO GO AND 7877 04:10:08.002 --> 04:10:12.000 TAKE ACCOUNT FOR MALARIOUS 7878 04:10:12.000 --> 04:10:14.027 DISTRICTS SPECIAL ASSESSMENT 7879 04:10:14.027 --> 04:10:16.025 DISTRICTS AND OTHER THINGS IN 7880 04:10:16.025 --> 04:10:18.020 THE STATING OF THE TRUE DEBT 7881 04:10:18.020 --> 04:10:20.006 THAT THE CITY HAS AND THE 7882 04:10:20.006 --> 04:10:22.007 PROPERTY ARE SHARING ON THEIR 7883 04:10:22.007 --> 04:10:24.023 BURDEN. YOU >> FAIL TO DO THESE 7884 04:10:24.023 --> 04:10:26.021 AND IN FACT WITH THE HERE IN I 7885 04:10:26.021 --> 04:10:29.024 FORMATION YOU HAVE BASICALLY 7886 04:10:29.024 --> 04:10:31.011 PUT ANOTHER LEVEL OF DEBT WHICH 7887 04:10:31.011 --> 04:10:34.018 CANNOT BE OVERCOME VERY EASILY. 7888 04:10:34.018 --> 04:10:36.019 >> WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE SELECT 7889 04:10:36.019 --> 04:10:38.001 REPORTS AND YOU SEE HOW HEAVY 7890 04:10:38.001 --> 04:10:41.006 THE PAPER IS, THESE ARE THE 7891 04:10:41.006 --> 04:10:43.021 GOLDEN PAGES AND WEIGHT THAT IS 7892 04:10:43.021 --> 04:10:46.008 GOING TO TAKE YOU DOWN JUST 7893 04:10:46.008 --> 04:10:48.001 LIKE SAN DIEGO. UNFORTUNATELY 7894 04:10:48.001 --> 04:10:51.010 YOUR CITY >> CLERK DIDN'T FEEL 7895 04:10:51.010 --> 04:10:52.000 RIGHT TO >> GO AND NOTARIZE THE 7896 04:10:52.000 --> 04:10:54.015 SIGNATURES AS THE CITY CLERK 7897 04:10:54.015 --> 04:10:55.008 NORMALLY DOES AND YOU HAD TO 7898 04:10:55.008 --> 04:10:57.006 HAVE A SHILL GET A NOTARY 7899 04:10:57.006 --> 04:10:59.007 ACCEPTANCE TO GO AND ENDORSE 7900 04:10:59.007 --> 04:11:02.001 HIS OWN PRODUCT AS A CONFLICT 7901 04:11:02.001 --> 04:11:04.021 OF INTEREST AND THEREFORE >> 7902 04:11:04.021 --> 04:11:05.021 THESE REPORTS ARE VERY 7903 04:11:05.021 --> 04:11:07.024 QUESTIONABLE AND >> DO NOT 7904 04:11:07.024 --> 04:11:09.026 STATE TRUE POSTURE OF THE CITY. 7905 04:11:09.026 --> 04:11:12.016 THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. THAT 7906 04:11:12.016 --> 04:11:14.015 COMPLETES THE PUBLIC COMMENTS 7907 04:11:14.015 --> 04:11:15.009 THAT ITEM. COUNCILOR WILLIAMS, 7908 04:11:15.009 --> 04:11:16.027 YOU HAVE A COMMENT ON THE 7909 04:11:16.027 --> 04:11:16.026 MOTION? >> YES, I JUST HAD A 7910 04:11:16.026 --> 04:11:18.017 QUESTION FOR SCOTT REGARDS TO 7911 04:11:18.017 --> 04:11:22.018 OUR DEBT. WE HAVE SUFFICIENT 7912 04:11:22.018 --> 04:11:25.014 ASSETS TO COVER OUR DEBT 7913 04:11:25.014 --> 04:11:28.026 BECAUSE I COUNCIL MEMBER 7914 04:11:28.026 --> 04:11:32.006 WILLIAM SCOTT JOHNSON DIRECTOR 7915 04:11:32.006 --> 04:11:34.029 OF FINANCE THE CITY MAKES ON AN 7916 04:11:34.029 --> 04:11:36.023 ANNUAL BASIS WE MAKE THE BUDGET 7917 04:11:36.023 --> 04:11:39.008 AN OBLIGATION TO MAKE OUR DEBT 7918 04:11:39.008 --> 04:11:41.018 SERVICE PAYMENTS. >> SO I 7919 04:11:41.018 --> 04:11:44.024 MEAN EVEN WITH THE ECONOMIC 7920 04:11:44.024 --> 04:11:45.018 SITUATION AND THE >> DEBT WITH 7921 04:11:45.018 --> 04:11:47.001 THE YOU KNOW, THE FACT THAT WE 7922 04:11:47.001 --> 04:11:50.012 ARE DEFICIT SITUATION, WE'RE 7923 04:11:50.012 --> 04:11:53.018 STILL ABLE TO MEET OUR 7924 04:11:53.018 --> 04:11:54.000 OBLIGATIONS. I JUST WANT TO 7925 04:11:54.000 --> 04:11:56.026 HEAR YOU SAY IT, YOU KNOW, FOR 7926 04:11:56.026 --> 04:11:57.026 THE RECORD. YES, SIR. YOU KNOW, 7927 04:11:57.026 --> 04:11:59.022 THERE'S ALWAYS THAT QUESTION. I 7928 04:11:59.022 --> 04:12:01.029 MEAN THE REPORT LOOKS GOOD BUT 7929 04:12:01.029 --> 04:12:02.010 SOMETIMES YOU JUST WANT TO HEAR 7930 04:12:02.010 --> 04:12:04.023 IT. YES. EVERYTHING'S OKAY. 7931 04:12:04.023 --> 04:12:06.011 WE'VE GOT THAT WE HAVE 7932 04:12:06.011 --> 04:12:09.018 SUFFICIENT RESOURCES TO TAKE 7933 04:12:09.018 --> 04:12:11.013 CARE OF OUR DEBT. YES. THANK 7934 04:12:11.013 --> 04:12:13.013 YOU. >> ALL RIGHT. NO OTHER 7935 04:12:13.013 --> 04:12:15.015 COMMENTS IN THE MOTION IS THERE 7936 04:12:15.015 --> 04:12:16.004 ANY DISSENT ON THE MOTION AND 7937 04:12:16.004 --> 04:12:18.018 MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY WILL 7938 04:12:18.018 --> 04:12:19.024 NOW MOVE TO ITEM 4.4 CREW 7939 04:12:19.024 --> 04:12:21.010 ACTIONS RELATED TO ACQUISITION 7940 04:12:21.010 --> 04:12:23.019 OF A PROPERTY BY EMINENT 7941 04:12:23.019 --> 04:12:24.003 DOMAIN. THE QUESTIONS OF STAFF 7942 04:12:24.003 --> 04:12:26.009 IN THIS ITEM. ALL RIGHT. SEE 7943 04:12:26.009 --> 04:12:29.010 THERE'S A MOTION. IS THERE A 7944 04:12:29.010 --> 04:12:30.025 SECOND IS MOTION SECOND ON THE 7945 04:12:30.025 --> 04:12:31.010 ITEM ACTUALLY WE HAVE >> 7946 04:12:31.010 --> 04:12:36.010 COUNCILMEMBER TURCO. ARE YOU 7947 04:12:36.010 --> 04:12:37.026 ARE YOU GOING TO MOVE APPROVAL 7948 04:12:37.026 --> 04:12:38.011 CUSTOMER TRIGGER? OKAY WAIT A 7949 04:12:38.011 --> 04:12:43.002 MINUTE. THAT HELPS. I JUST WANT 7950 04:12:43.002 --> 04:12:46.010 TO >> ASK MY FELLOW COUNCIL 7951 04:12:46.010 --> 04:12:47.009 MEMBERS TO SUPPORT THIS. IT'S 7952 04:12:47.009 --> 04:12:50.008 IT'S FOR PROPERTY FOR 7953 04:12:50.008 --> 04:12:51.004 ADDITIONAL PARKING AT THE END 7954 04:12:51.004 --> 04:12:54.021 REBUILT CAMBRIDGE PARK LIBRARY 7955 04:12:54.021 --> 04:12:56.014 AND I'M CONFIDENT THAT THIS 7956 04:12:56.014 --> 04:12:58.011 HAVING EASEMENT TO USE THIS 7957 04:12:58.011 --> 04:13:00.023 PROPERTY TO FILL OUR PARKING 7958 04:13:00.023 --> 04:13:01.000 REQUIREMENTS WILL NOT IN ANY 7959 04:13:01.000 --> 04:13:03.003 WAY DISRUPT PIGEONS BUSINESS 7960 04:13:03.003 --> 04:13:05.015 ACTIVITIES ON THIS >> SITE. 7961 04:13:05.015 --> 04:13:06.008 OKAY I ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT. 7962 04:13:06.008 --> 04:13:08.018 THERE'S A MOTION SECOND ON THE 7963 04:13:08.018 --> 04:13:09.020 MOTION ITSELF WE HAVE TWO 7964 04:13:09.020 --> 04:13:10.013 SPEAKERS MR. GARBUTT AND THEN 7965 04:13:10.013 --> 04:13:15.008 MARK TRUMP TO MR. WILLIAM 7966 04:13:15.008 --> 04:13:19.012 GARBUTT SPEAKING ON BEHALF 7967 04:13:19.012 --> 04:13:20.006 OF PUBLIC I AM VERY CONCERNED 7968 04:13:20.006 --> 04:13:22.014 ABOUT THE AND SAFETY 7969 04:13:22.014 --> 04:13:23.027 REQUIREMENTS ON THIS PIECE 7970 04:13:23.027 --> 04:13:24.028 OF PROPERTY >> BECAUSE GENERAL 7971 04:13:24.028 --> 04:13:26.017 ORDER 95 OF THE PUBLIC 7972 04:13:26.017 --> 04:13:28.018 UTILITIES COMMISSION STATES THE 7973 04:13:28.018 --> 04:13:30.029 CLEARANCE THAT MUST BE MADE 7974 04:13:30.029 --> 04:13:31.017 BETWEEN LINES AND OBSTACLES AND 7975 04:13:31.017 --> 04:13:34.026 THAT CERTAIN AREAS MUST BE KEPT 7976 04:13:34.026 --> 04:13:36.008 FREE OF HUMAN AND OTHER >> 7977 04:13:36.008 --> 04:13:40.020 DEBRIS IN THE PRESENCE OF POWER 7978 04:13:40.020 --> 04:13:42.016 LINES. IS THE CITY >> GOING TO 7979 04:13:42.016 --> 04:13:44.004 UNDERGROUND THIS UNDER GENERAL 7980 04:13:44.004 --> 04:13:46.025 ORDER 20 A AND B THAT WILL >> 7981 04:13:46.025 --> 04:13:49.019 GIVE YOU A LIST AND A 7982 04:13:49.019 --> 04:13:50.001 CLEARANCE. BUT UNFORTUNATELY 7983 04:13:50.001 --> 04:13:52.004 THE >> CITY IS GOING TO HAVE TO 7984 04:13:52.004 --> 04:13:53.004 GET A LIABILITY FOR ALL THOSE 7985 04:13:53.004 --> 04:13:55.001 CARS, GO AND PARK IN THESE 7986 04:13:55.001 --> 04:13:57.011 PLACES >> AND FIND OUT THE 7987 04:13:57.011 --> 04:13:58.006 ACTUAL ELECTROMAGNETIC EFFECTS 7988 04:13:58.006 --> 04:14:00.007 >> GO AND CAUSE THEIR COMPUTERS 7989 04:14:00.007 --> 04:14:02.018 >> TO STUMBLE A LITTLE BIT, DO 7990 04:14:02.018 --> 04:14:03.013 THE EXCESS MAGNETIC ACTIVITY 7991 04:14:03.013 --> 04:14:05.029 FROM THE POWER LINES. IT IS NOT 7992 04:14:05.029 --> 04:14:08.016 APPROPRIATE. THERE ARE 7993 04:14:08.016 --> 04:14:10.020 ALTERNATIVE >> SITES AVAILABLE 7994 04:14:10.020 --> 04:14:12.011 SATELLITE SITES AVAILABLE. YOU 7995 04:14:12.011 --> 04:14:14.002 HAVE A FIRE STATION NEARBY 7996 04:14:14.002 --> 04:14:16.015 DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET YOU 7997 04:14:16.015 --> 04:14:17.015 HAVE A CLOSED COCOS RESTAURANT 7998 04:14:17.015 --> 04:14:19.021 THAT YOU >> COULD BUY ON THE 7999 04:14:19.021 --> 04:14:20.025 OPEN MARKET. YOU DO NOT NEED 8000 04:14:20.025 --> 04:14:22.004 EMINENT DOMAIN AND >> IT IS NOT 8001 04:14:22.004 --> 04:14:25.008 IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE 8002 04:14:25.008 --> 04:14:26.004 CITIZENS OF SAN JOSE AS FAR AS 8003 04:14:26.004 --> 04:14:28.012 >> NEW LIBRARY. SOUNDS LIKE A 8004 04:14:28.012 --> 04:14:29.009 GOOD IDEA. YOU GOT ABOUT 20 8005 04:14:29.009 --> 04:14:31.012 PARKING PLACES THAT'S YOUR 8006 04:14:31.012 --> 04:14:32.006 PROBLEM >> RIGHT? YOU EITHER 8007 04:14:32.006 --> 04:14:34.019 WAIVE YOUR REQUIREMENTS >> OR 8008 04:14:34.019 --> 04:14:35.014 YOU BUY ACROSS THE STREET OR DO 8009 04:14:35.014 --> 04:14:37.006 SOME OTHER METHOD >> TAKING PGE 8010 04:14:37.006 --> 04:14:40.029 AND EASE ACCESS AWAY TO THIS 8011 04:14:40.029 --> 04:14:43.021 PARTICULAR TRANSMISSION LINE 8012 04:14:43.021 --> 04:14:45.014 WILL IMPACT THE COMMUNITY 8013 04:14:45.014 --> 04:14:47.004 UNDERGROUND IT AND EVERYONE 8014 04:14:47.004 --> 04:14:49.027 WILL WIN AND YOU WILL GET MAYBE 8015 04:14:49.027 --> 04:14:50.015 NOT 20 CARS PARKING THAT YOU'LL 8016 04:14:50.015 --> 04:14:52.020 GET A COUPLE MORE. THANK YOU 8017 04:14:52.020 --> 04:14:55.017 MARK TRUCK 2 MINUTES, SIR. 8018 04:14:55.017 --> 04:14:57.011 THANK YOU. HONORABLE MAYOR 8019 04:14:57.011 --> 04:14:59.021 COUNCILOR I'M FOR THIS AND I'M 8020 04:14:59.021 --> 04:15:04.007 REALLY GLAD TO PG AND HE IS 8021 04:15:04.007 --> 04:15:10.020 GOING TO GRACIOUSLY GIVE UP 8022 04:15:10.020 --> 04:15:12.018 THEIR PROPERTY SO THAT WE CAN 8023 04:15:12.018 --> 04:15:15.000 THIS PARKING FOR FOR A LIBRARY 8024 04:15:15.000 --> 04:15:18.003 YOU KNOW MICHAEL REAGAN PUT IT 8025 04:15:18.003 --> 04:15:19.012 LIKE THIS LEADERS ARE READERS 8026 04:15:19.012 --> 04:15:22.017 YOU KNOW I SAID THAT BACKWARDS 8027 04:15:22.017 --> 04:15:23.020 DIDN'T I READERS >> ARE LEADERS 8028 04:15:23.020 --> 04:15:27.020 I'M SORRY READERS ARE LEADERS. 8029 04:15:27.020 --> 04:15:29.028 YOU KNOW, A LIBRARY IS VERY, 8030 04:15:29.028 --> 04:15:30.003 VERY IMPORTANT AS WE GAIN 8031 04:15:30.003 --> 04:15:33.015 KNOWLEDGE FROM RECENTLY WE 8032 04:15:33.015 --> 04:15:36.006 RECENTLY WE DEDICATED A LIBRARY 8033 04:15:36.006 --> 04:15:40.026 TO THE GLORIOUS NAME OF BILL 8034 04:15:40.026 --> 04:15:41.022 CLINTON AND YOU KNOW ONE 8035 04:15:41.022 --> 04:15:44.023 PARTICULARLY SICK INDIVIDUAL 8036 04:15:44.023 --> 04:15:46.012 SAID THAT BILL CLINTON WAS A 8037 04:15:46.012 --> 04:15:48.010 STERLING OF VIRTUE AND MORALITY 8038 04:15:48.010 --> 04:15:52.026 WAS THAT JIMMY CARTER? I THINK 8039 04:15:52.026 --> 04:15:54.015 IT WAS A BLACK MAN THAT SAID 8040 04:15:54.015 --> 04:15:56.013 THAT YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF 8041 04:15:56.013 --> 04:15:58.009 SOMEBODY SAID THAT AND I ABOUT 8042 04:15:58.009 --> 04:16:00.001 TO I WAS LISTENING TO JEFF KATZ 8043 04:16:00.001 --> 04:16:02.014 AND KENNY W AND ABOUT IT, YOU 8044 04:16:02.014 --> 04:16:04.014 KNOW, HIT THE BRAKES AS AS 8045 04:16:04.014 --> 04:16:06.009 DRIVING IN MY VAN. INCREDIBLE. 8046 04:16:06.009 --> 04:16:09.007 YOU KNOW, JESUS CHRIST >> IS A 8047 04:16:09.007 --> 04:16:11.019 STERLING EXAMPLE, SIR. YOU'RE 8048 04:16:11.019 --> 04:16:13.021 NOT YOU'RE NOT SPEAKING TO THE 8049 04:16:13.021 --> 04:16:14.026 >> ITEM THAT'S ON THE AGENDA. I 8050 04:16:14.026 --> 04:16:15.009 AM, SIR. I KNOW YOU'RE NOT. I'M 8051 04:16:15.009 --> 04:16:17.025 CONNECTING IT TO THE LIBRARY. 8052 04:16:17.025 --> 04:16:18.005 NO, IN LIBRARIES YOU'RE NOT 8053 04:16:18.005 --> 04:16:20.029 YOU'RE >> NOT YOU'RE NOT 8054 04:16:20.029 --> 04:16:20.005 SPEAKING TO THE ITEM AGENDA. 8055 04:16:20.005 --> 04:16:22.020 YOU HAVE A CARD FOR OPEN FORUM. 8056 04:16:22.020 --> 04:16:23.015 YOU'LL BE ALLOWED TO SPEAK 8057 04:16:23.015 --> 04:16:24.028 AT THAT. SO I'M ACTUALLY GOING 8058 04:16:24.028 --> 04:16:25.004 TO CONNECT THAT IN THE LATTER 8059 04:16:25.004 --> 04:16:27.003 END >> OF THE THE SERMON NOT 8060 04:16:27.003 --> 04:16:29.029 THE SERMON BUT THE SPEECH AND 8061 04:16:29.029 --> 04:16:30.011 AH THIS >> LIBRARY MAYOR 8062 04:16:30.011 --> 04:16:32.012 GONZALES >> THAT WE'RE GOING TO 8063 04:16:32.012 --> 04:16:33.017 PUT UP THERE ON HILLSDALE. I'M 8064 04:16:33.017 --> 04:16:35.013 REALLY I'M FOR THAT. I REALLY 8065 04:16:35.013 --> 04:16:37.000 AM >> AND AND I'M GLAD THAT 8066 04:16:37.000 --> 04:16:40.023 THAT THAT MANY OF YOU ARE ARE 8067 04:16:40.023 --> 04:16:42.021 FOR THAT BECAUSE READING IT FOR 8068 04:16:42.021 --> 04:16:45.027 INSTANCE WE READ THE BIBLE YOU 8069 04:16:45.027 --> 04:16:47.015 KNOW IT WAS SAID OF JESUS I 8070 04:16:47.015 --> 04:16:50.019 KNOW IF MAN LETTERS AND HAVING 8071 04:16:50.019 --> 04:16:53.026 NEVER LEARNED NOW WHAT THEY >> 8072 04:16:53.026 --> 04:16:54.021 MEANT BY THAT EVIDENTLY JESUS 8073 04:16:54.021 --> 04:16:56.014 DIDN'T HAVE A HIGHER EDUCATION. 8074 04:16:56.014 --> 04:16:58.006 HE HE READ OF COURSE A GENERAL 8075 04:16:58.006 --> 04:17:01.025 EDUCATION HE HE COULD WRITE BUT 8076 04:17:01.025 --> 04:17:03.015 I BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD LEARN 8077 04:17:03.015 --> 04:17:05.026 HOW TO READ SO WE CAN READ THE 8078 04:17:05.026 --> 04:17:06.020 BIBLE BECAUSE >> THE BIBLE IS 8079 04:17:06.020 --> 04:17:08.013 GOD'S BOOK WHEREBY HE 8080 04:17:08.013 --> 04:17:10.011 COMMUNICATES TO US ABOUT THE 8081 04:17:10.011 --> 04:17:12.022 JUDGMENT DAY THE JUDGMENT DAY 8082 04:17:12.022 --> 04:17:14.016 COMING. THANK YOU MAYOR. I 8083 04:17:14.016 --> 04:17:18.010 GOT 17 >> EXTRA. THAT'S VERY 8084 04:17:18.010 --> 04:17:20.003 GRACIOUS FOR MY >> INTERRUPTION 8085 04:17:20.003 --> 04:17:22.011 JUST TRYING TO GET YOU TO STAND 8086 04:17:22.011 --> 04:17:23.008 ON ON COURSE. ALL RIGHT. THAT 8087 04:17:23.008 --> 04:17:25.015 COMPLETES THE PUBLIC COMMENTS 8088 04:17:25.015 --> 04:17:26.007 ON THAT ITEM. WE DO HAVE A 8089 04:17:26.007 --> 04:17:28.016 MOTION A SECOND. ARE THERE ANY 8090 04:17:28.016 --> 04:17:29.024 COUNCIL COMMENTS? IS THERE ANY 8091 04:17:29.024 --> 04:17:30.006 DISSENT ON THE MOTION? THAT 8092 04:17:30.006 --> 04:17:32.016 MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. ITEM 8093 04:17:32.016 --> 04:17:34.026 FIVE POINT >> ONE IS THE REPORT 8094 04:17:34.026 --> 04:17:35.026 OF THE ALL CHILDREN'S ACHIEVE 8095 04:17:35.026 --> 04:17:36.009 COMMITTEE THAT'S CHAIRED BY 8096 04:17:36.009 --> 04:17:38.029 COUNCILMEMBER YEAGER. >> YES. 8097 04:17:38.029 --> 04:17:38.027 IF THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS I 8098 04:17:38.027 --> 04:17:39.021 MOVE APPROVAL MOTION AND SECOND 8099 04:17:39.021 --> 04:17:41.014 TO APPROVE THE REPORT. ANY 8100 04:17:41.014 --> 04:17:43.018 COMMENTS ANY DISSENT THAT 8101 04:17:43.018 --> 04:17:45.018 MOTION PASSES. ITEM 6.1 IS 8102 04:17:45.018 --> 04:17:48.024 REPORTED THE BUILDING BETTER 8103 04:17:48.024 --> 04:17:49.001 TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE THAT'S 8104 04:17:49.001 --> 04:17:51.007 CHAIRED COUNCILMEMBER CORTEZ. 8105 04:17:51.007 --> 04:17:52.021 HE DID? >> YES. I'M HAPPY TO 8106 04:17:52.021 --> 04:17:53.024 MOVE THE MEETING REPORT MOTION 8107 04:17:53.024 --> 04:17:55.009 SECOND TO PROVE THAT REPORT OR 8108 04:17:55.009 --> 04:17:58.029 ANY COMMENTS ON THE MOTION? ANY 8109 04:17:58.029 --> 04:17:59.021 DISSENT ON THE MOTION THAT 8110 04:17:59.021 --> 04:18:01.005 PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. ITEM 9.2 IS 8111 04:18:01.005 --> 04:18:05.018 APPROVAL OF THE STAFF RESPONSES 8112 04:18:05.018 --> 04:18:06.007 TO THE ST CLAIR COUNTY CIVIL 8113 04:18:06.007 --> 04:18:08.027 GRAND JURY REPORTS INTO THE 8114 04:18:08.027 --> 04:18:09.010 FINANCIAL IMPACT OF RETIREMENT 8115 04:18:09.010 --> 04:18:11.006 PROGRAMS ON SANTA CLARA COUNTY 8116 04:18:11.006 --> 04:18:13.029 AND THE CITY OF SAN JOSE AND 8117 04:18:13.029 --> 04:18:14.001 INQUIRING INTO THE BOARD 8118 04:18:14.001 --> 04:18:16.001 STRUCTURE AND FINANCIAL 8119 04:18:16.001 --> 04:18:17.026 MANAGEMENT OF THE VALLEY 8120 04:18:17.026 --> 04:18:17.014 TRANSPORTATION AUTHORITY. ARE 8121 04:18:17.014 --> 04:18:19.021 THERE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF ON 8122 04:18:19.021 --> 04:18:20.021 THOSE ITEMS? ALL RIGHT. SEEN 8123 04:18:20.021 --> 04:18:22.027 NONE. I HAVE ONE CARD FOR THE 8124 04:18:22.027 --> 04:18:23.026 PUBLIC TIM CALLAHAN. TIM IS 8125 04:18:23.026 --> 04:18:28.018 GONE. ALL RIGHT. GO BACK TO THE 8126 04:18:28.018 --> 04:18:30.017 COUNCIL. IS THERE MOTION TO 8127 04:18:30.017 --> 04:18:31.017 APPROVE THE REPORT? MOTION 8128 04:18:31.017 --> 04:18:33.011 SECOND TO APPROVE THE 8129 04:18:33.011 --> 04:18:34.010 RESPONSES. ANY COMMENT ON THE 8130 04:18:34.010 --> 04:18:36.023 MOUNT MOTION? ANY DISSENT ON 8131 04:18:36.023 --> 04:18:38.021 THE MOTION? >> THE OC 8132 04:18:38.021 --> 04:18:44.026 COUNCILMEMBER READ VOTING NO ON 8133 04:18:44.026 --> 04:18:45.017 RESPONSE IN 9.2 BE ALL RIGHT 8134 04:18:45.017 --> 04:18:49.014 THE REST OF THE ITEMS PASSED 8135 04:18:49.014 --> 04:18:51.002 WITH YES VOTES FROM THE OTHER 8136 04:18:51.002 --> 04:18:53.021 COUNCIL MEMBERS WILL NOW GO TO 8137 04:18:53.021 --> 04:18:56.013 ITEM I WILL CONVENE THE 8138 04:18:56.013 --> 04:18:58.012 REDEVELOPED H.S. BOARD TO 8139 04:18:58.012 --> 04:18:59.006 CONSIDER ITEM 10.2 WHICH IS THE 8140 04:18:59.006 --> 04:19:02.017 REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY AND CITY 8141 04:19:02.017 --> 04:19:03.012 COUNCIL APPOINTEE ASSIGNMENTS. 8142 04:19:03.012 --> 04:19:07.009 COUNCIL HAS RECEIVED >> A 8143 04:19:07.009 --> 04:19:08.023 REPORT FROM ME RECOMMENDING 8144 04:19:08.023 --> 04:19:09.020 RECOMMENDING COMMITTEE 8145 04:19:09.020 --> 04:19:10.011 ASSIGNMENTS AND THERE'S A 8146 04:19:10.011 --> 04:19:13.011 MOTION TO APPROVE THAT WE CAN 8147 04:19:13.011 --> 04:19:14.029 MOVE AS A MOTION. IS THERE A 8148 04:19:14.029 --> 04:19:16.014 SECOND SECOND ANY COMMENTS ON 8149 04:19:16.014 --> 04:19:19.013 THE MOTION? JUST NOTING THAT 8150 04:19:19.013 --> 04:19:22.025 THERE WAS AN ADDENDUM THAT MADE 8151 04:19:22.025 --> 04:19:24.023 TWO CORRECTIONS RELATED TO 8152 04:19:24.023 --> 04:19:26.011 COUNCILMEMBER YEAGER AND THAT'S 8153 04:19:26.011 --> 04:19:27.006 INCLUDED IN THE MOTION I 8154 04:19:27.006 --> 04:19:28.025 SUPPOSE OKAY. ON THE MOTION 8155 04:19:28.025 --> 04:19:32.018 CUSTOMER EXPERIENCE >> OFFICE I 8156 04:19:32.018 --> 04:19:33.018 JUST HAVE TWO CORRECTIONS ON 8157 04:19:33.018 --> 04:19:34.004 THE NAMES THESE. THINGS CHANGE 8158 04:19:34.004 --> 04:19:36.021 OVER TIME. SURE. WHAT IS NOW 8159 04:19:36.021 --> 04:19:38.026 THE SAN FRANCISCO BAY AREA 8160 04:19:38.026 --> 04:19:39.012 WATER USERS ASSOCIATION IS NOW 8161 04:19:39.012 --> 04:19:41.027 THE BAY AREA WATER SUPPLY AND 8162 04:19:41.027 --> 04:19:42.027 CONSERVATION AUTHORITY. ALL 8163 04:19:42.027 --> 04:19:44.019 RIGHT. AND THE HETCH HETCHY 8164 04:19:44.019 --> 04:19:46.010 FINANCING THE 30 I THINK IT'S 8165 04:19:46.010 --> 04:19:49.021 WHAT WE CALL IT THE TECHY 8166 04:19:49.021 --> 04:19:50.011 FINANCING AUTHORITY IS NOW THE 8167 04:19:50.011 --> 04:19:52.000 SAN FRANCISCO BAY WATER SYSTEM 8168 04:19:52.000 --> 04:19:55.000 REGIONAL FINANCING AUTHORITY OR 8169 04:19:55.000 --> 04:19:57.020 SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I DIDN'T 8170 04:19:57.020 --> 04:19:58.005 MAKE IT UP THAT'S GOT TO BE >> 8171 04:19:58.005 --> 04:20:00.015 AN ACRONYM HAS GOT TO BE AN 8172 04:20:00.015 --> 04:20:01.018 ACRONYM FOR THAT. DO YOU GET A 8173 04:20:01.018 --> 04:20:02.027 LONG NAME LIKE THAT? ALL RIGHT. 8174 04:20:02.027 --> 04:20:03.011 IF IF THE IF YOU CAN GET THAT 8175 04:20:03.011 --> 04:20:06.025 LAST ONE TO OUR STAFF THAT 8176 04:20:06.025 --> 04:20:07.024 WOULD BE HELPFUL. ALL RIGHT. 8177 04:20:07.024 --> 04:20:09.018 WITH THAT CORRECTION AND UPDATE 8178 04:20:09.018 --> 04:20:12.001 ANY COMMENTS ON THE MOTION >> 8179 04:20:12.001 --> 04:20:14.003 ANY DISSENT ON THE MOTION THAT 8180 04:20:14.003 --> 04:20:16.024 THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY AND I 8181 04:20:16.024 --> 04:20:17.026 WANT TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY 8182 04:20:17.026 --> 04:20:18.029 TO CONGRATULATE 8183 04:20:18.029 --> 04:20:19.027 COUNCILMEMBER CHAVEZ WHO'S NOW 8184 04:20:19.027 --> 04:20:20.000 VICE MAYOR. >> CONGRATULATIONS. 8185 04:20:20.000 --> 04:20:27.010 I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING >> 8186 04:20:27.010 --> 04:20:28.018 WITH YOU. WE MOVE FORWARD 8187 04:20:28.018 --> 04:20:30.010 THROUGH THE YEAR THAT >> 8188 04:20:30.010 --> 04:20:34.027 CONCLUDES OUR CITY COUNCIL 8189 04:20:34.027 --> 04:20:35.011 MEETING UNTIL 7:00 THIS EVENING 8190 04:20:35.011 --> 04:20:38.018 WHEN WE DEAL WITH LAND USE. SO 8191 04:20:38.018 --> 04:20:39.007 WE'LL WE'LL >> OH, I'M SORRY WE 8192 04:20:39.007 --> 04:20:42.020 DO HAVE I APOLOGIZE WE DO HAVE 8193 04:20:42.020 --> 04:20:43.018 OPEN FORUM ON CITY COUNCIL MARK 8194 04:20:43.018 --> 04:20:45.014 TROUT AND IN RISING RENO >> SO 8195 04:20:45.014 --> 04:20:56.005 WE HAVE 2 MINUTES HERE'S WHAT I 8196 04:20:56.005 --> 04:20:58.007 REALLY WANT TO SAY HONORABLE 8197 04:20:58.007 --> 04:20:59.021 MAYOR AND COUNCIL >> CHIEF ROB 8198 04:20:59.021 --> 04:21:03.006 DAVIS APPOINTED BY THE CITY 8199 04:21:03.006 --> 04:21:05.014 MANAGER WHEN HE MADE THAT 8200 04:21:05.014 --> 04:21:06.005 STATEMENT ISLAM >> IS A VERY 8201 04:21:06.005 --> 04:21:08.010 TOLERANT RELIGION DOES HE NEEDS 8202 04:21:08.010 --> 04:21:12.000 TO GET EDUCATED ON ISLAM NOW >> 8203 04:21:12.000 --> 04:21:15.023 THIS BOOK HAS BEEN TALKED ON 8204 04:21:15.023 --> 04:21:18.014 KENNY W AND CARE CFO DAVID 8205 04:21:18.014 --> 04:21:21.000 RECENTLY INTERVIEWED CRAIG WHEN 8206 04:21:21.000 --> 04:21:23.008 A SCHOLAR ON ISLAM HE'S POURED 8207 04:21:23.008 --> 04:21:25.020 OUT 10000 HOURS IN >> A VERY 8208 04:21:25.020 --> 04:21:28.020 CAREFUL AND METICULOUS RESEARCH 8209 04:21:28.020 --> 04:21:30.014 ON WHAT THE RELIGION OF ISLAM 8210 04:21:30.014 --> 04:21:33.026 IS. WHAT'S IT ALL ABOUT? WHAT 8211 04:21:33.026 --> 04:21:35.021 DOES IT SAY ABOUT TERRORISM? 8212 04:21:35.021 --> 04:21:38.018 WHAT'S IT SAY ABOUT PEDOPHILIA? 8213 04:21:38.018 --> 04:21:42.002 DO YOU REALIZE THAT MUHAMMAD 8214 04:21:42.002 --> 04:21:44.027 MARRIED A SIX YEAR OLD GIRL? 8215 04:21:44.027 --> 04:21:47.017 THIS IS REALITY. >> HE MARRIED 8216 04:21:47.017 --> 04:21:49.012 A SIX YEAR OLD GIRL. HE WAS A 8217 04:21:49.012 --> 04:21:51.004 SICKO. HE PROBABLY ONE OF THE 8218 04:21:51.004 --> 04:21:53.007 MOST TWISTED EVIL, WICKED 8219 04:21:53.007 --> 04:21:55.021 PERVERSE MEN THAT EVER LIVED. 8220 04:21:55.021 --> 04:21:56.028 HE TAUGHT THAT IF YOU KILLED 8221 04:21:56.028 --> 04:21:57.018 CHRISTIANS AND JEWS YOU WOULD 8222 04:21:57.018 --> 04:22:00.024 GET TO ROLL IN THE SHEETS WITH 8223 04:22:00.024 --> 04:22:03.024 72 BLESSING VIRGINS. THIS IS 8224 04:22:03.024 --> 04:22:05.023 REALITY. YOU THINK I'M LYING? 8225 04:22:05.023 --> 04:22:08.015 IT'S THE SO-CALLED PROPHET'S 8226 04:22:08.015 --> 04:22:10.000 OWN WORD. HE WAS A RACIST. I 8227 04:22:10.000 --> 04:22:14.022 WISH LOUIS FARRAKHAN >> WOULD 8228 04:22:14.022 --> 04:22:16.028 READ HIS OWN STUFF. LOUIS 8229 04:22:16.028 --> 04:22:18.012 FARRAKHAN >> OF COURSE IS A IS 8230 04:22:18.012 --> 04:22:20.016 A BLACK MUSLIM MUHAMMAD >> THE 8231 04:22:20.016 --> 04:22:22.027 SO-CALLED PROPHET SAID THAT A 8232 04:22:22.027 --> 04:22:24.002 BLACK MAN'S HEART IS IS AS 8233 04:22:24.002 --> 04:22:28.027 BLACK AS A DONKEY'S. THAT'S >> 8234 04:22:28.027 --> 04:22:30.015 REALITY. THIS IS THEIR OWN 8235 04:22:30.015 --> 04:22:32.010 STUFF. THIS IS THEIR OWN 8236 04:22:32.010 --> 04:22:34.028 INFORMATION, SAY AND BUT 8237 04:22:34.028 --> 04:22:36.018 POLITICAL CORRECTNESS REIGNS, 8238 04:22:36.018 --> 04:22:38.005 DOESN'T IT? YOU DON'T REALLY 8239 04:22:38.005 --> 04:22:40.011 WANT TO KNOW THE TRUTH. THAT'S 8240 04:22:40.011 --> 04:22:41.002 WHY EVERYONE'S GOING TO, >> YOU 8241 04:22:41.002 --> 04:22:43.021 KNOW, LOOK AROUND SUFFER MR. 8242 04:22:43.021 --> 04:22:44.001 REID HE'S THE ONLY ONE IS HE 8243 04:22:44.001 --> 04:22:47.025 STOOD AS A READ LIKE JOHN >> 8244 04:22:47.025 --> 04:22:48.000 JOHN THE BAPTIST WAS CALLED A 8245 04:22:48.000 --> 04:22:51.027 READ >> UNSHAKEN IN THE WIND 8246 04:22:51.027 --> 04:22:52.008 AND WHEN >> YOU ALL VOTED FOR 8247 04:22:52.008 --> 04:22:54.004 THE A WHILE BACK EXCUSE ME THE 8248 04:22:54.004 --> 04:22:58.011 MR. REID STOOD AS A READ 8249 04:22:58.011 --> 04:23:00.028 UNSHAKEN BY 2 MINUTES THANK YOU 8250 04:23:00.028 --> 04:23:02.008 RUSHING RENO YOU HAVE YOUR 2 8251 04:23:02.008 --> 04:23:05.020 MINUTES AND LIGHTNESS OH >> GOD 8252 04:23:05.020 --> 04:23:08.001 TELL YOU I'M GLAD I'M FOLLOWING 8253 04:23:08.001 --> 04:23:10.001 THIS. THE PROPHETS OF DOOM JUST 8254 04:23:10.001 --> 04:23:12.022 GOT THROUGH FINISH AND I URGE 8255 04:23:12.022 --> 04:23:13.013 YOU NOT TO PAY ATTENTION IN ANY 8256 04:23:13.013 --> 04:23:15.005 WAY. RATHER YOU PAY ATTENTION 8257 04:23:15.005 --> 04:23:17.024 TO ME AND I THINK YOU CAN DO A 8258 04:23:17.024 --> 04:23:18.015 OF A LOT BETTER >> SO THAT THE 8259 04:23:18.015 --> 04:23:22.023 LESS WHAT I WANTED TO WHAT I 8260 04:23:22.023 --> 04:23:25.020 WANTED TO IS BRING THIS UP 8261 04:23:25.020 --> 04:23:27.018 TOMORROW BEFORE THE BLUE RIBBON 8262 04:23:27.018 --> 04:23:29.004 COMMITTEE. BUT I FELT THAT I 8263 04:23:29.004 --> 04:23:32.011 WANTED TO SAY THIS BEFORE THE 8264 04:23:32.011 --> 04:23:33.025 WHOLE CITY COUNCIL INCLUDING 8265 04:23:33.025 --> 04:23:34.004 THE MAYOR OF COURSE YOU ARE 8266 04:23:34.004 --> 04:23:36.022 PART OF THE CITY COUNCIL. >> 8267 04:23:36.022 --> 04:23:37.004 UH, REGARDING MR. DENNIS FONG, 8268 04:23:37.004 --> 04:23:41.000 UH, I THINK THAT SOMEHOW OR 8269 04:23:41.000 --> 04:23:43.019 ANOTHER I HOPE THAT WE CAN 8270 04:23:43.019 --> 04:23:44.004 INVESTIGATE MORE THOROUGHLY AND 8271 04:23:44.004 --> 04:23:47.007 FIND OUT WHAT HE KNEW ABOUT 8272 04:23:47.007 --> 04:23:49.007 WHAT HE WAS DOING IN REGARDS TO 8273 04:23:49.007 --> 04:23:52.009 ONE OF OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS 8274 04:23:52.009 --> 04:23:54.015 AND IF HE >> SPOKE WITH THIS TO 8275 04:23:54.015 --> 04:23:56.014 ANYONE AT ANY TIME WHAT HE WAS 8276 04:23:56.014 --> 04:23:58.007 DOING BRAGGING ABOUT IT ONE WAY 8277 04:23:58.007 --> 04:24:00.023 OR ANOTHER. AND I THINK THAT 8278 04:24:00.023 --> 04:24:01.012 MR. MAYOR, I THINK IT WOULD BE 8279 04:24:01.012 --> 04:24:03.012 A GOOD OPPORTUNITY LIKE YOU DID 8280 04:24:03.012 --> 04:24:05.019 BEFORE IS TO TO BRING THIS 8281 04:24:05.019 --> 04:24:07.026 BEFORE THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY 8282 04:24:07.026 --> 04:24:09.012 AND HAVE THIS INVESTIGATED 8283 04:24:09.012 --> 04:24:11.004 THOROUGHLY. THANK YOU VERY 8284 04:24:11.004 --> 04:24:13.013 MUCH. THAT COMPLETES >> OUR 8285 04:24:13.013 --> 04:24:15.009 COUNCIL MEETING FOR THIS 8286 04:24:15.009 --> 04:24:16.010 AFTERNOON WILL RECONVENE AT 7 8287 04:24:16.010 --> 04:24:18.012 A.M. OR 7 A.M. 7 P.M. WE MAY BE 8288 04:24:18.012 --> 04:24:21.016 AT 7 A.M. AT 7:08 P.M. TO >> 8289 04:24:21.016 --> 04:24:24.010 DISCUSS PLANNING ITEMS WILL NOW 8290 04:24:24.010 --> 04:24:27.026 MOVE TO OUR REDEVELOPMENT 8291 04:24:27.026 --> 04:24:29.008 AGENCY BOARD OF DIRECTORS 8292 04:24:29.008 --> 04:24:31.006 MEETING FOR >> JANUARY THE 8293 04:24:31.006 --> 04:24:33.017 11TH, 2005. THE FIRST ITEM ON 8294 04:24:33.017 --> 04:24:38.020 THE AGENDA IS THE ORDERS OF THE 8295 04:24:38.020 --> 04:24:40.014 DAY AND I'M TOLD THAT STAFF IS 8296 04:24:40.014 --> 04:24:42.027 REQUESTING IN ADDITION TO THESE 8297 04:24:42.027 --> 04:24:43.007 ITEMS THAT ITEM 2.6 BE DEFERRED 8298 04:24:43.007 --> 04:24:47.029 UNTIL JANUARY 25TH. IS THERE A 8299 04:24:47.029 --> 04:24:49.001 MOTION AND OR IS IT AS EMOTIONS 8300 04:24:49.001 --> 04:24:52.021 IS THERE A SECOND ON THE ORDER 8301 04:24:52.021 --> 04:24:53.009 OF MOTION >> ON ORDERS OF DAYS 8302 04:24:53.009 --> 04:24:56.029 OR SECOND SECOND ON THE MOTION 8303 04:24:56.029 --> 04:24:58.027 ANY DISCRETION ON THAT MOTION? 8304 04:24:58.027 --> 04:25:00.021 ANY DISSENT ON THAT MOTION THAT 8305 04:25:00.021 --> 04:25:02.005 PASSES UNANIMOUSLY MOVED TO THE 8306 04:25:02.005 --> 04:25:05.009 CONSENT CALENDAR IS THERE 8307 04:25:05.009 --> 04:25:06.007 MOTION ON CONSENT TO THE MOTION 8308 04:25:06.007 --> 04:25:09.019 SECOND TO APPROVE THE CONSENT 8309 04:25:09.019 --> 04:25:10.014 CALENDAR ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS 8310 04:25:10.014 --> 04:25:12.021 ON THE MOTION? ANY DISSENT ON 8311 04:25:12.021 --> 04:25:14.022 THE MOTION THAT MOTION PASSES 8312 04:25:14.022 --> 04:25:16.015 UNANIMOUSLY I AM 6.1 IS 8313 04:25:16.015 --> 04:25:19.022 APPROVAL OF THE ACQUISITION 8314 04:25:19.022 --> 04:25:20.028 OF PROPERTY AT 11 ZERO ONE 8315 04:25:20.028 --> 04:25:22.021 SOUTH KING ROAD FOR THE 8316 04:25:22.021 --> 04:25:24.023 DEVELOPMENT OF THE SOUTHWEST 8317 04:25:24.023 --> 04:25:25.006 CORNER OF STOREY AND KING ROAD. 8318 04:25:25.006 --> 04:25:28.001 ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS 8319 04:25:28.001 --> 04:25:29.010 OF STAFF ON THIS ITEM? OKAY. >> 8320 04:25:29.010 --> 04:25:37.023 COUNCILMEMBER GREGORY'S 8321 04:25:37.023 --> 04:25:37.025 ABSTAINING ON THE ITEM FROM 8322 04:25:37.025 --> 04:25:38.027 DISCUSSING AND VOTING ON THE 8323 04:25:38.027 --> 04:25:39.011 ITEM ITEM >> OKAY >> MOTION AND 8324 04:25:39.011 --> 04:25:47.026 IS THERE A SECOND ON THE ITEM 8325 04:25:47.026 --> 04:25:48.025 SECOND ON THE MOTION ITSELF 8326 04:25:48.025 --> 04:25:51.010 KASRILS I, I WAS JUST WONDERING 8327 04:25:51.010 --> 04:25:54.024 WHAT WE DID WITH >> 3.1 I'M 8328 04:25:54.024 --> 04:25:55.023 GOING BACK TO THAT THING I 8329 04:25:55.023 --> 04:25:56.022 SKIPPED OVER I APOLOGIZE JUST 8330 04:25:56.022 --> 04:25:58.023 TRYING TO HURRY ALONG HERE. ALL 8331 04:25:58.023 --> 04:26:00.000 RIGHT. ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON 8332 04:26:00.000 --> 04:26:02.011 THE MOTION AND YOU SENT ON THE 8333 04:26:02.011 --> 04:26:03.016 MOTION THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY? 8334 04:26:03.016 --> 04:26:05.014 ITEM 3.1 IS ACCEPTANCE 8335 04:26:05.014 --> 04:26:07.015 OF AGENCY FINANCIAL REPORTS. 8336 04:26:07.015 --> 04:26:09.015 ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS STAFF 8337 04:26:09.015 --> 04:26:10.014 FOR THIS ITEM? IS THERE MOTION 8338 04:26:10.014 --> 04:26:13.002 IS THE MOTION SECOND TO APPROVE 8339 04:26:13.002 --> 04:26:15.019 THE ITEM COMPTROLLER'S OFFICE 8340 04:26:15.019 --> 04:26:16.011 DO YOU WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT 8341 04:26:16.011 --> 04:26:17.001 ON THIS ONE JUST I'M SORRY 8342 04:26:17.001 --> 04:26:20.006 DISSENT. OKAY. THAT MOTION IS 8343 04:26:20.006 --> 04:26:22.003 THERE ANY OTHER DISSENT ON THE 8344 04:26:22.003 --> 04:26:23.027 MOTION? CAN THE MOTION PASSES 8345 04:26:23.027 --> 04:26:24.023 WITH COUNCIL MOVES ON VOTING NO 8346 04:26:24.023 --> 04:26:26.017 >> JUST MOVE TO ITEM >> 8.1 8347 04:26:26.017 --> 04:26:30.012 WHICH IS APPROVAL OF AN 8348 04:26:30.012 --> 04:26:31.014 AMENDMENT TO THE CITY OF SAN 8349 04:26:31.014 --> 04:26:32.010 JOSE POLICY ON IMPLEMENTATION 8350 04:26:32.010 --> 04:26:34.012 OF THE INCLUSIONARY HOUSING 8351 04:26:34.012 --> 04:26:35.010 REQUIREMENT. ARE THERE ANY 8352 04:26:35.010 --> 04:26:36.015 QUESTIONS OF STAFF ON THIS ITEM 8353 04:26:36.015 --> 04:26:39.021 OF MOTION AND IN A SECOND ON 8354 04:26:39.021 --> 04:26:41.014 THAT ITEM ARE THERE ANY 8355 04:26:41.014 --> 04:26:42.007 COMMENTS ON THE MOTION IS THERE 8356 04:26:42.007 --> 04:26:44.009 ANY DISSENT ON THE MOTION THAT 8357 04:26:44.009 --> 04:26:46.003 PASSES UNANIMOUSLY PUBLIC 8358 04:26:46.003 --> 04:26:48.016 OPINION? >> NO, I DIDN'T HAVE A 8359 04:26:48.016 --> 04:26:51.020 CARD, SIR, BUT YOU'RE WELCOME. 8360 04:26:51.020 --> 04:26:53.005 COME ON. COME ON, MR. COVID. 8361 04:26:53.005 --> 04:26:56.006 COME ON UP. DON'T BE SHY. YOU 8362 04:26:56.006 --> 04:26:58.006 GOT 2 MINUTES >> MOVING OUR 8363 04:26:58.006 --> 04:27:00.016 BEST SPEAK ON BEHALF PUBLIC ON 8364 04:27:00.016 --> 04:27:02.008 THIS INCLUSIONARY >> HOUSING 8365 04:27:02.008 --> 04:27:04.026 POLICY YOU BASICALLY ARE >> 8366 04:27:04.026 --> 04:27:06.014 COMMITTING REDLINING AND 8367 04:27:06.014 --> 04:27:09.021 EXACTLY OPPOSITE FOR ONE OF THE 8368 04:27:09.021 --> 04:27:11.020 REASONS REDEVELOPMENT WAS 8369 04:27:11.020 --> 04:27:13.016 CREATED >> FOR IN THE VERY 8370 04:27:13.016 --> 04:27:14.019 BEGINNING. IT IS DISCRIMINATORY 8371 04:27:14.019 --> 04:27:17.022 AND NOT ONLY THAT THE IN LIEU 8372 04:27:17.022 --> 04:27:19.029 FEES YOU ONLY BASE ON 20% 8373 04:27:19.029 --> 04:27:21.008 OF THE PRICE RATHER THAN 100% 8374 04:27:21.008 --> 04:27:24.013 OF THE HOUSING. IT ISN'T JUST 8375 04:27:24.013 --> 04:27:26.026 THE LOSS OF THE 20% IT IS THE 8376 04:27:26.026 --> 04:27:29.021 DISCRIMINATION THE PATTERN THAT 8377 04:27:29.021 --> 04:27:33.010 THIS CITY COUNCIL AND 8378 04:27:33.010 --> 04:27:35.019 REDEVELOPMENT BASICALLY HAVE 8379 04:27:35.019 --> 04:27:37.021 ENDORSED THAT MAKES SAN JOSE A 8380 04:27:37.021 --> 04:27:40.003 BAD PLACE TO LIVE. THANK YOU. 8381 04:27:40.003 --> 04:27:43.019 >> ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER COMMENT 8382 04:27:43.019 --> 04:27:46.028 ON THE MOTION? ANY DISSENT ON 8383 04:27:46.028 --> 04:27:47.023 THE MOTION? THE MOTION PASSES 8384 04:27:47.023 --> 04:27:49.019 >> UNANIMOUSLY 8.2 IS CITY 8385 04:27:49.019 --> 04:27:51.022 COUNCIL AND REDEVELOPING EDC 8386 04:27:51.022 --> 04:27:52.004 ACTIONS FOR THE AWARD OF A 8387 04:27:52.004 --> 04:27:54.012 CONTRACT TO WALK IN AND 8388 04:27:54.012 --> 04:27:55.021 BERTOLUCCI THE LOW BIDDER FOR 8389 04:27:55.021 --> 04:27:57.011 THE WINCHESTER BOULEVARD TREE 8390 04:27:57.011 --> 04:27:59.018 PLANTING PROJECT COUNCILMEMBER 8391 04:27:59.018 --> 04:28:00.015 ROSA >> JUST A COMMENT TO THANK 8392 04:28:00.015 --> 04:28:03.027 LINDSAY I SEE THAT SHE'S 8393 04:28:03.027 --> 04:28:04.025 LINDSAY PLANNING FOR ALL OF OUR 8394 04:28:04.025 --> 04:28:05.023 HARD WORK ON ON THIS HER TEAM 8395 04:28:05.023 --> 04:28:08.010 BOTH WITH REGARD TO THE MEDIAN 8396 04:28:08.010 --> 04:28:10.019 AND NOW THE TREE PLANNING 8397 04:28:10.019 --> 04:28:11.013 PROJECT AND I'M SURE WE'RE 8398 04:28:11.013 --> 04:28:12.011 GOING TO HAVE THE FACADES 8399 04:28:12.011 --> 04:28:13.028 COMING MOMENTARILY BUT JUST TO 8400 04:28:13.028 --> 04:28:15.016 THANK HER AND MOVE FOR APPROVAL 8401 04:28:15.016 --> 04:28:18.024 WITH A YAHOO MOTION IN SECOND 8402 04:28:18.024 --> 04:28:21.020 ON THE ITEM ANY FURTHER 8403 04:28:21.020 --> 04:28:22.005 COMMENTS, ANY DISSENT ON THE 8404 04:28:22.005 --> 04:28:24.003 MOTION THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY? 8405 04:28:24.003 --> 04:28:27.025 ITEM 8.3 IS AWARD OF A CONTRACT 8406 04:28:27.025 --> 04:28:29.023 TO BE ARCHIE CONSTRUCTION INKED 8407 04:28:29.023 --> 04:28:31.015 A LITTLE BETTER FOR THE 8408 04:28:31.015 --> 04:28:32.000 CONSTRUCTION OF THE TULLY ROAD 8409 04:28:32.000 --> 04:28:34.020 WALL EXTENSION PROJECT. ARE 8410 04:28:34.020 --> 04:28:36.025 THERE ANY QUESTIONS STAFF ON 8411 04:28:36.025 --> 04:28:37.016 THIS THIS ITEM? >> 8412 04:28:37.016 --> 04:28:40.006 COUNCILMEMBER GREGORY NO. OKAY, 8413 04:28:40.006 --> 04:28:44.016 GO AHEAD. I JUST HAVE A QUICK 8414 04:28:44.016 --> 04:28:47.021 COMMENT. I'M GLAD THIS PROJECT 8415 04:28:47.021 --> 04:28:49.020 IS HAPPENING. THIS IS A VERY 8416 04:28:49.020 --> 04:28:50.012 IMPORTANT FOR THE TULLY CENTER 8417 04:28:50.012 --> 04:28:53.029 AS AND I AND IT'S ACTUALLY ONE 8418 04:28:53.029 --> 04:28:55.001 OF THEIR TOP TEN PRIORITIES. SO 8419 04:28:55.001 --> 04:28:58.027 HARRY, THANKS A LOT AND. WE'RE 8420 04:28:58.027 --> 04:28:59.006 GOING TO MOVE FORWARD >> RIGHT 8421 04:28:59.006 --> 04:29:01.011 THIS A MOTION TO APPROVE THEIR 8422 04:29:01.011 --> 04:29:03.008 SECOND SECOND ON THE MOTION ANY 8423 04:29:03.008 --> 04:29:06.003 DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION I 8424 04:29:06.003 --> 04:29:08.020 MEAN DISSENT ON THE MOTION. 8425 04:29:08.020 --> 04:29:09.005 THAT MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY 8426 04:29:09.005 --> 04:29:11.007 AND THAT COMPLETES OUR BOARD 8427 04:29:11.007 --> 04:29:12.010 MEETING FOR THIS AFTERNOON. 8428 04:29:12.010 --> 04:29:13.012 THANK YOU. WE'LL BE BACK 8429 04:29:13.012 --> 04:29:14.012 AT 7:00 >> 8430 04:29:14.012 --> 04:29:20.012

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TO THAT CALL >> THE CITY 8441 04:29:48.016 --> 04:29:50.011 COUNCIL MEETING FOR THE EVENING 8442 04:29:50.011 --> 04:29:53.021 OF JANUARY THE 11TH, 2005 TO 8443 04:29:53.021 --> 04:29:55.011 ORDER PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS. 8444 04:29:55.011 --> 04:29:59.003 11.1 IS OUR FIRST ITEM WHICH IS 8445 04:29:59.003 --> 04:30:02.003 A PUBLIC HEARING ON PLANNED 8446 04:30:02.003 --> 04:30:03.001 DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPERTY 8447 04:30:03.001 --> 04:30:04.016 LOCATED AT 568 HILLSDALE 8448 04:30:04.016 --> 04:30:06.015 AVENUE. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS 8449 04:30:06.015 --> 04:30:08.001 OF STAFF ON THIS ITEM? SCENE 8450 04:30:08.001 --> 04:30:12.001 NONE. I HAVE NO CARDS FROM THE 8451 04:30:12.001 --> 04:30:15.017 PUBLIC ON THIS. IS THERE ANYONE 8452 04:30:15.017 --> 04:30:16.012 IN THE PUBLIC WHO CAME TO 8453 04:30:16.012 --> 04:30:17.003 ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL AN 8454 04:30:17.003 --> 04:30:19.007 ITEM 11.1 >> HONORABLE THE 8455 04:30:19.007 --> 04:30:22.022 APPLICANT JUST TOLD ME HE IS 8456 04:30:22.022 --> 04:30:24.007 AVAILABLE HE HAS NOT PUT A CARD 8457 04:30:24.007 --> 04:30:26.001 IN YET. I DID WANT TO LET THE 8458 04:30:26.001 --> 04:30:27.003 COUNCIL KNOW THAT HE IS HERE 8459 04:30:27.003 --> 04:30:28.008 AND HE DID ASK FOR HANDOUTS IF 8460 04:30:28.008 --> 04:30:29.005 THE COUNCIL MEETS ALL RIGHT. 8461 04:30:29.005 --> 04:30:30.000 ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE 8462 04:30:30.000 --> 04:30:31.015 APPLICANT SCENE THEN 8463 04:30:31.015 --> 04:30:34.027 COUNCILMEMBER WILL CLOSE THE 8464 04:30:34.027 --> 04:30:34.000 PUBLIC HEARING. 8465 04:30:34.000 --> 04:30:36.018 COUNCILMEMBER FILE THIS IS IN 8466 04:30:36.018 --> 04:30:36.014 YOUR DISTRICT. YOU NEED TO 8467 04:30:36.014 --> 04:30:40.017 THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE HERE THIS 8468 04:30:40.017 --> 04:30:41.010 EVENING THAT WOULD LIKE TO 8469 04:30:41.010 --> 04:30:42.029 SPEAK TO THIS ISSUE. I JUST 8470 04:30:42.029 --> 04:30:43.021 THEY DIDN'T NO ONE INDICATE >> 8471 04:30:43.021 --> 04:30:46.008 OH, I'M SORRY. I'M SORRY. 11.1 8472 04:30:46.008 --> 04:30:49.008 YEAH, I'M SORRY ABOUT THIS. 8473 04:30:49.008 --> 04:30:51.026 THAT'S OKAY >> NOW HAVE TAKEN A 8474 04:30:51.026 --> 04:30:54.009 LOOK AT THE AT THIS VERY 8475 04:30:54.009 --> 04:30:57.007 CAREFULLY I FIND THAT IT IS 8476 04:30:57.007 --> 04:30:59.004 CONFORMING I I FIND THAT THERE 8477 04:30:59.004 --> 04:31:03.004 IS A PROBLEM WITH TRAFFIC AND 8478 04:31:03.004 --> 04:31:05.005 SAFETY BUT I THINK THAT'S TRUE 8479 04:31:05.005 --> 04:31:07.014 IN JUST ABOUT EVERY DISTRICT 8480 04:31:07.014 --> 04:31:08.006 AND I >> WILL BE DOING MY BEST 8481 04:31:08.006 --> 04:31:10.025 TO MONITOR THAT ON A ON A 8482 04:31:10.025 --> 04:31:12.009 SEPARATE VENUE. SO I APPRECIATE 8483 04:31:12.009 --> 04:31:16.014 THAT. ALL RIGHT. AND REMOVING 8484 04:31:16.014 --> 04:31:17.014 APPROVAL. YES. OKAY. MOTION IN 8485 04:31:17.014 --> 04:31:19.005 SECOND TO APPROVE THE ITEM. ARE 8486 04:31:19.005 --> 04:31:21.026 THERE ANY COMMENTS IN THE 8487 04:31:21.026 --> 04:31:21.021 MOTION ANY DISSENT ON THE 8488 04:31:21.021 --> 04:31:23.018 MOTION THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY? 8489 04:31:23.018 --> 04:31:26.020 11.2 IS A PUBLIC HEARING ON A 8490 04:31:26.020 --> 04:31:28.021 CONFORMING CONVENTIONAL 8491 04:31:28.021 --> 04:31:29.022 REZONING OF THE PROPERTY 8492 04:31:29.022 --> 04:31:30.012 LOCATED AT 458 BIRKENSHAW 8493 04:31:30.012 --> 04:31:34.004 PLACE. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS 8494 04:31:34.004 --> 04:31:36.015 STAFF ON THIS ITEM? RIGHT. SEE 8495 04:31:36.015 --> 04:31:38.011 NONE. ARE THERE ANY MEMBERS 8496 04:31:38.011 --> 04:31:40.013 OF THE PUBLIC WHO ARE HERE THIS 8497 04:31:40.013 --> 04:31:41.015 EVENING TO ADDRESS THIS ON THIS 8498 04:31:41.015 --> 04:31:42.010 ITEM DID YOU FILL OUT A CARD? 8499 04:31:42.010 --> 04:31:45.006 OKAY GREAT. IF IF THERE IS ANY 8500 04:31:45.006 --> 04:31:47.014 MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WHO FELT 8501 04:31:47.014 --> 04:31:48.017 WHO NEEDS TO SPEAK TO THE 8502 04:31:48.017 --> 04:31:49.006 COUNCIL AND I NEED TO FILL OUT 8503 04:31:49.006 --> 04:31:51.007 A CARD AND GIVE IT TO THE CITY 8504 04:31:51.007 --> 04:31:52.023 CLERK AND WE'LL TAKE IT FROM 8505 04:31:52.023 --> 04:31:54.012 THERE MA'AM, COME ON FORWARD. 8506 04:31:54.012 --> 04:31:56.015 JUST TELL US WHO YOU ARE AND 8507 04:31:56.015 --> 04:31:57.019 YOU HAVE 2 MINUTES. WELCOME. >> 8508 04:31:57.019 --> 04:31:59.009 MY NAME IS STONE, THE PRESENT 8509 04:31:59.009 --> 04:32:01.008 OF THE VEP COMMUNITY 8510 04:32:01.008 --> 04:32:02.011 ASSOCIATION. AND WHAT I HAVE TO 8511 04:32:02.011 --> 04:32:04.000 SAY IS ALSO LISTED FOR A COPY 8512 04:32:04.000 --> 04:32:06.020 OF EACH OF YOU AND THE STAFF 8513 04:32:06.020 --> 04:32:07.020 REPORT FROM THE PLANNING 8514 04:32:07.020 --> 04:32:08.007 DEPARTMENT IS NOT THE LOT IS 8515 04:32:08.007 --> 04:32:11.014 NOT VACANT AND IT IS NOT.23 8516 04:32:11.014 --> 04:32:13.016 ACRES. THE PROPERTY IS A 0.48 8517 04:32:13.016 --> 04:32:16.024 ACRES ACCORDING TO PUBLIC 8518 04:32:16.024 --> 04:32:17.023 RECORDS THIS PROPERTY INCREASED 8519 04:32:17.023 --> 04:32:19.024 IN SIZE WHEN ALL OF THE 8520 04:32:19.024 --> 04:32:20.025 PROPERTIES IN THE AREA WERE 8521 04:32:20.025 --> 04:32:21.005 RETURNED TO THEM FROM THE 8522 04:32:21.005 --> 04:32:23.015 RAILROAD COMPANY COUNCIL MEMBER 8523 04:32:23.015 --> 04:32:25.022 IOLA WILLIAMS GAVE THE EPP AND 8524 04:32:25.022 --> 04:32:27.001 THE NEIGHBORS ASSURANCES THAT 8525 04:32:27.001 --> 04:32:29.002 THE PROPERTIES WOULD NOT BE 8526 04:32:29.002 --> 04:32:30.015 DEVELOPED. THE PLANNING 8527 04:32:30.015 --> 04:32:31.023 DEPARTMENT HAS A DESCRIPTION 8528 04:32:31.023 --> 04:32:32.020 WRONG WHEN IT LISTS IT AS A 8529 04:32:32.020 --> 04:32:34.018 SEPARATE LOT IT IS NOT A 8530 04:32:34.018 --> 04:32:36.000 SEPARATE. THIS INFORMATION IS 8531 04:32:36.000 --> 04:32:39.027 ALSO PUBLIC RECORD ALSO RECORD 8532 04:32:39.027 --> 04:32:42.011 IS A 23 PARCEL NUMBER SAYING 8533 04:32:42.011 --> 04:32:47.022 IT'S GOING TO BE SPLIT INTO 8534 04:32:47.022 --> 04:32:48.003 THREE LOTS. >> BRANHAM LANE 8535 04:32:48.003 --> 04:32:51.012 CURRENTLY IS A SAFETY ISSUE AS 8536 04:32:51.012 --> 04:32:53.018 LAST YEAR TWO PEOPLE WERE 8537 04:32:53.018 --> 04:32:54.018 KILLED ON BRANHAM LANE >> NEAR 8538 04:32:54.018 --> 04:32:56.010 THE SITE THE PLANNING 8539 04:32:56.010 --> 04:32:58.019 DEPARTMENT IS GIVING THE CITY 8540 04:32:58.019 --> 04:32:59.015 COUNCIL A FALSE IMPRESSION THAT 8541 04:32:59.015 --> 04:33:02.023 THERE IS NOT A SAFETY ISSUE. 8542 04:33:02.023 --> 04:33:04.001 THIS FACT IS WRONG. THE 8543 04:33:04.001 --> 04:33:07.012 PLANNING DEPARTMENT WORKS WITH 8544 04:33:07.012 --> 04:33:08.021 BLINDERS ON AND FORGETS TO TURN 8545 04:33:08.021 --> 04:33:10.017 THEIR HEADS AND SEES WHAT'S 8546 04:33:10.017 --> 04:33:12.002 COMING AND WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN 8547 04:33:12.002 --> 04:33:14.006 THE PAST WHAT WILL COME 8548 04:33:14.006 --> 04:33:16.004 POSSIBLY TWO MORE HOMES WITH 8549 04:33:16.004 --> 04:33:18.026 DRIVEWAYS DIRECTLY ONTO BRANHAM 8550 04:33:18.026 --> 04:33:19.027 LANE. THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT 8551 04:33:19.027 --> 04:33:21.020 HAS IGNORED THE FACT THAT THERE 8552 04:33:21.020 --> 04:33:23.012 ARE NO OTHER DRIVEWAYS ENTERING 8553 04:33:23.012 --> 04:33:25.024 BRANHAM LANE BETWEEN PEARL AND 8554 04:33:25.024 --> 04:33:26.016 SNELL THERE ARE ALSO NO PARKING 8555 04:33:26.016 --> 04:33:29.008 SIGNS POSTED THIS SECTION 8556 04:33:29.008 --> 04:33:31.001 OF BRANHAM LANE DO YOU REALLY 8557 04:33:31.001 --> 04:33:33.020 WANT ANOTHER FATALITY TO OCCUR? 8558 04:33:33.020 --> 04:33:35.019 SOMEONE IS LEAVING THEIR 8559 04:33:35.019 --> 04:33:36.002 DRIVEWAY. THE PROPERTY OWNER 8560 04:33:36.002 --> 04:33:39.013 CURRENTLY HAS A PROPERTY AS A 8561 04:33:39.013 --> 04:33:40.027 RENTAL THAT IS NOT TAKEN CARE 8562 04:33:40.027 --> 04:33:42.006 OF AND IS A BLIGHT ISSUE. THE 8563 04:33:42.006 --> 04:33:45.012 SAME PROPERTY OWNER HAS 8564 04:33:45.012 --> 04:33:46.008 NUMEROUS COMPLAINTS ON OTHER 8565 04:33:46.008 --> 04:33:48.012 PROPERTIES THROUGHOUT THE WHY 8566 04:33:48.012 --> 04:33:50.006 WOULD THE CITY REWARD THE OWNER 8567 04:33:50.006 --> 04:33:52.028 WITH WHEN OTHER COMPLAINTS >> 8568 04:33:52.028 --> 04:33:53.007 HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED? THE CITY 8569 04:33:53.007 --> 04:33:56.015 >> IF THE CITY RECOMMENDS 8570 04:33:56.015 --> 04:33:57.021 APPROVAL OF THIS ITEM THE CITY 8571 04:33:57.021 --> 04:33:59.023 WILL NEED TO INCREASE THE 8572 04:33:59.023 --> 04:34:00.014 URGENCY FOR BRENHAM LANE SAFETY 8573 04:34:00.014 --> 04:34:02.000 IMPROVEMENTS TO SPAM. THANK YOU 8574 04:34:02.000 --> 04:34:05.011 . I HAVE ONE MORE THING I KNOW 8575 04:34:05.011 --> 04:34:07.021 THE FOUR SPEAKERS FOLLOWING THE 8576 04:34:07.021 --> 04:34:09.011 SPEAKER YOU NEED TO KNOW THAT 2 8577 04:34:09.011 --> 04:34:11.028 MINUTES GOES VERY VERY FAST. BE 8578 04:34:11.028 --> 04:34:12.005 ABLE TO COVER MAYBE THREE ITEMS 8579 04:34:12.005 --> 04:34:14.004 AT THE MOST. ALL RIGHT. WE 8580 04:34:14.004 --> 04:34:17.007 GOT YOU. YOU HAVE COPIES FOR 8581 04:34:17.007 --> 04:34:18.018 THE CLERK. OKAY. JUST GIVE HIM 8582 04:34:18.018 --> 04:34:20.025 THE CLERK. SHE'LL GIVE THEM TO 8583 04:34:20.025 --> 04:34:21.000 US. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. DENNIS 8584 04:34:21.000 --> 04:34:24.028 MURTHA >> MOSS DENNIS, YOU WANT 8585 04:34:24.028 --> 04:34:26.013 TO COME FORWARD AND APOLOGIZE 8586 04:34:26.013 --> 04:34:28.023 FOR THE MISPRONUNCIATION IF I 8587 04:34:28.023 --> 04:34:29.001 DID THAT? THAT'S RIGHT. 2 8588 04:34:29.001 --> 04:34:31.009 MINUTES, SIR. >> MY NAME IS 8589 04:34:31.009 --> 04:34:32.018 DENNIS SMITH. I'M A PROPERTY 8590 04:34:32.018 --> 04:34:33.002 OWNER THAT IS ADJACENT OR OR 8591 04:34:33.002 --> 04:34:36.014 I'M IN THE BACK YARD OF THIS 8592 04:34:36.014 --> 04:34:38.018 SUBJECT PROPERTY. I HAVE A 8593 04:34:38.018 --> 04:34:40.027 SIGNED PETITION HERE BY 12 8594 04:34:40.027 --> 04:34:42.006 HOMEOWNERS IN THE AREA >> THAT 8595 04:34:42.006 --> 04:34:44.015 ARE AGAINST NEW ZONING. AS THE 8596 04:34:44.015 --> 04:34:49.003 PREVIOUS SPEAKER MENTIONED, 8597 04:34:49.003 --> 04:34:51.007 THIS PROPERTY OWNER MR. WALSH 8598 04:34:51.007 --> 04:34:54.005 HAS THIS PROPERTY AS A RENTAL. 8599 04:34:54.005 --> 04:34:56.024 I'VE GOT PICTURES SHOWING THAT 8600 04:34:56.024 --> 04:34:57.007 THERE'S TRASH IN THE BACKYARD. 8601 04:34:57.007 --> 04:35:00.010 I CAN GIVE THIS TO YOUR CLERK 8602 04:35:00.010 --> 04:35:02.018 AND ALSO SHE OWNS A PROPERTY 8603 04:35:02.018 --> 04:35:04.008 AT >> 3723 >> PEARL AVENUE AND 8604 04:35:04.008 --> 04:35:09.016 SINCE NOVEMBER OF 1999 THERE 8605 04:35:09.016 --> 04:35:13.007 HAS BEEN FIVE >> 8606 04:35:13.007 --> 04:35:16.028 CODE VIOLATIONS AND I HAVE 8607 04:35:16.028 --> 04:35:17.007 COPIES OF THOSE VIOLATIONS 8608 04:35:17.007 --> 04:35:19.014 RIGHT HERE. SO MY >> CONTENTION 8609 04:35:19.014 --> 04:35:22.024 IS THAT SHE'S A VERY 8610 04:35:22.024 --> 04:35:23.015 DISINTERESTED LANDLORD AND TO 8611 04:35:23.015 --> 04:35:25.020 GRANT HER THE RIGHT TO BUILD 8612 04:35:25.020 --> 04:35:26.029 ANOTHER RENTAL PROPERTY WOULD 8613 04:35:26.029 --> 04:35:28.028 POSSIBLY CAUSE MORE PROBLEMS 8614 04:35:28.028 --> 04:35:33.020 AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE. OKAY. 8615 04:35:33.020 --> 04:35:35.011 THANK YOU, SIR. WE HAVE NO 8616 04:35:35.011 --> 04:35:37.011 OTHER CARDS AND THAT ITEM 8617 04:35:37.011 --> 04:35:38.027 OF CLOSED PUBLIC HEARING. 8618 04:35:38.027 --> 04:35:39.026 STEPHEN, WOULD YOU LIKE TO 8619 04:35:39.026 --> 04:35:40.007 RESPOND >> TO SOME OF THE 8620 04:35:40.007 --> 04:35:42.022 ISSUES RAISED BY THE PUBLIC? 8621 04:35:42.022 --> 04:35:43.021 SURE. ON ONE OF THE QUESTIONS 8622 04:35:43.021 --> 04:35:45.002 REGARDING THE OVERALL LOT SIZE, 8623 04:35:45.002 --> 04:35:47.026 THE PROPOSAL BEFORE THE COUNCIL 8624 04:35:47.026 --> 04:35:48.002 IS >> TO REZONE A PROPERTY THAT 8625 04:35:48.002 --> 04:35:55.020 THAT >> WAS PREVIOUSLY USED AS 8626 04:35:55.020 --> 04:35:56.000 AN EASEMENT FROM I BELIEVE THE 8627 04:35:56.000 --> 04:35:58.027 RAILROAD AND ITS POINT TO THREE 8628 04:35:58.027 --> 04:35:59.006 ACRES OF THE REZONING ACTIONS 8629 04:35:59.006 --> 04:36:01.003 1.23 ACRES. IT IS PART OF A 8630 04:36:01.003 --> 04:36:04.027 LARGER PARCEL THAT COULD BE 8631 04:36:04.027 --> 04:36:05.007 SUBDIVIDED >> IN I DO BELIEVE 8632 04:36:05.007 --> 04:36:08.021 THE APPLICANT IS IS HAS >> 8633 04:36:08.021 --> 04:36:09.000 INTENT TO DO THAT AND HAS FILED 8634 04:36:09.000 --> 04:36:11.027 A PARCEL MAP TO DO SO FROM A 8635 04:36:11.027 --> 04:36:12.028 DESCRIPTION OF THE ZONING 8636 04:36:12.028 --> 04:36:13.027 ACTION WE ONLY DESCRIBE THE 8637 04:36:13.027 --> 04:36:14.009 PORTION OF THE PROPERTY THAT'S 8638 04:36:14.009 --> 04:36:16.008 BEING REZONE AND THE PROPERTY 8639 04:36:16.008 --> 04:36:18.013 AROUND IT IS R-1 EIGHT SO I CAN 8640 04:36:18.013 --> 04:36:21.022 UNDERSTAND THE THE 8641 04:36:21.022 --> 04:36:22.027 MISUNDERSTANDING THERE WASN'T 8642 04:36:22.027 --> 04:36:23.027 OUR INTENT TO MISLEAD THE 8643 04:36:23.027 --> 04:36:24.018 PUBLIC OR THE COUNCIL TO BE 8644 04:36:24.018 --> 04:36:26.013 CORRECT IN THE AMOUNT 8645 04:36:26.013 --> 04:36:27.029 OF PROPERTY BEING REZONE WITH 8646 04:36:27.029 --> 04:36:29.025 RESPECT TO TWO BRANHAM LANE >> 8647 04:36:29.025 --> 04:36:33.000 THE THERE ARE >> CUL DE SACS 8648 04:36:33.000 --> 04:36:38.015 AND OTHER SMALL STREETS THAT 8649 04:36:38.015 --> 04:36:39.015 THAT ACCESS TO BRANHAM LANE I 8650 04:36:39.015 --> 04:36:43.026 DO BELIEVE FROM AERIAL PHOTO I 8651 04:36:43.026 --> 04:36:45.021 HAVE AND I WOULD WANT TO 8652 04:36:45.021 --> 04:36:46.026 CONFIRM THIS THERE ARE SOME 8653 04:36:46.026 --> 04:36:47.001 PROPERTIES >> AT LEAST ONE OR 8654 04:36:47.001 --> 04:36:50.016 TWO ACROSS THE STREET THAT TAKE 8655 04:36:50.016 --> 04:36:51.002 ACCESS OFF OF BRANHAM LANE FROM 8656 04:36:51.002 --> 04:36:53.008 THE AERIAL THAT I HAVE I HAVE 8657 04:36:53.008 --> 04:36:54.022 NOT FIELD VERIFIED THAT THAT 8658 04:36:54.022 --> 04:36:56.011 WOULD BE THOSE PROPERTIES WOULD 8659 04:36:56.011 --> 04:36:58.022 BE DIRECTLY ON THE OPPOSITE 8660 04:36:58.022 --> 04:37:00.002 SIDE OF BRANHAM TO THE LEFT TO 8661 04:37:00.002 --> 04:37:02.009 SEE WHERE YOU SEE CANNABIS 8662 04:37:02.009 --> 04:37:04.025 AT THAT >> TRIANGLE PARCEL 8663 04:37:04.025 --> 04:37:05.022 THERE THAT DOES TAKE THE ACCESS 8664 04:37:05.022 --> 04:37:07.003 TO BRANHAM ON THE OPPOSITE 8665 04:37:07.003 --> 04:37:09.029 WHICH I BELIEVE THAT WOULD BE 8666 04:37:09.029 --> 04:37:09.000 THE NORTH SIDE OF BRANHAM 8667 04:37:09.000 --> 04:37:11.000 VERSUS THE SOUTH SIDE 8668 04:37:11.000 --> 04:37:12.005 OF BRANHAM >> IN THIS THERE IS 8669 04:37:12.005 --> 04:37:14.024 A MEDIAN. SO >> IF THERE WAS 8670 04:37:14.024 --> 04:37:15.001 ACCESS TO BRANDON BRANHAM LANE 8671 04:37:15.001 --> 04:37:18.001 OFF OF THIS IT WOULD BE A RIGHT 8672 04:37:18.001 --> 04:37:21.023 TURN AND RIGHT TURN OUT ONLY >> 8673 04:37:21.023 --> 04:37:22.006 OKAY. THANK YOU. 8674 04:37:22.006 --> 04:37:25.023 COUNCILMEMBER PYLE, THIS IS 8675 04:37:25.023 --> 04:37:25.010 ALSO ON YOUR DISTRICT. YES. AND 8676 04:37:25.010 --> 04:37:27.009 I COULD DO I BELIEVE THAT WHAT 8677 04:37:27.009 --> 04:37:29.007 WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO DO IS 8678 04:37:29.007 --> 04:37:31.021 WORK WITH STAFF TO MITIGATE 8679 04:37:31.021 --> 04:37:32.016 THESE PROBLEMS. DO YOU SEE ANY 8680 04:37:32.016 --> 04:37:36.008 DIFFICULTY IN FIRST OF ALL 8681 04:37:36.008 --> 04:37:40.000 ALLAYING THE FEARS THAT THIS 8682 04:37:40.000 --> 04:37:42.009 WOULD BE A PROPERTY THAT WOULD 8683 04:37:42.009 --> 04:37:43.000 NOT NECESSARILY BE KEPT UP? 8684 04:37:43.000 --> 04:37:47.026 COUNCILMEMBER >> WE DON'T 8685 04:37:47.026 --> 04:37:47.022 REGULATE WHETHER THESE 8686 04:37:47.022 --> 04:37:48.020 PROPERTIES ARE ARE FOR SALE OR 8687 04:37:48.020 --> 04:37:50.024 RENTAL OR THEY'RE OWNER 8688 04:37:50.024 --> 04:37:51.019 OCCUPIED. WE'RE NOT ABLE TO DO 8689 04:37:51.019 --> 04:37:53.029 THAT. THE CURRENT CONDITION 8690 04:37:53.029 --> 04:37:55.020 OF THE PROPERTY I UNDERSTAND 8691 04:37:55.020 --> 04:37:57.015 THAT IF THERE ARE 8692 04:37:57.015 --> 04:37:58.020 CODE VIOLATIONS CERTAINLY COULD 8693 04:37:58.020 --> 04:37:59.020 GO OUT AND TAKE A LOOK AT THAT 8694 04:37:59.020 --> 04:38:00.013 IF IT IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD 8695 04:38:00.013 --> 04:38:02.008 BE IN VIOLATION OF OUR OF OUR 8696 04:38:02.008 --> 04:38:04.017 ORDINANCES. HOWEVER IN 8697 04:38:04.017 --> 04:38:06.029 INVALIDATING THE APPLICATION >> 8698 04:38:06.029 --> 04:38:07.023 THOSE AREN'T THINGS THAT WE 8699 04:38:07.023 --> 04:38:08.027 WOULD TAKE INTO ACCOUNT WITH 8700 04:38:08.027 --> 04:38:09.005 RESPECT TO THE APPLICATION WE 8701 04:38:09.005 --> 04:38:11.010 LOOK AT GENERAL PLAN 8702 04:38:11.010 --> 04:38:12.023 CONFORMANCE THE ZONING AND 8703 04:38:12.023 --> 04:38:13.026 COMPATIBILITY WITH THE 8704 04:38:13.026 --> 04:38:14.009 SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD IS 8705 04:38:14.009 --> 04:38:16.019 FROM A LAND USE STANDPOINT >> 8706 04:38:16.019 --> 04:38:23.025 I'M NOT SURE I CAN DO THIS BUT 8707 04:38:23.025 --> 04:38:24.008 I'D LIKE TO RECOMMEND THAT WE 8708 04:38:24.008 --> 04:38:26.017 COME BACK WITH THIS AFTER WE'VE 8709 04:38:26.017 --> 04:38:27.008 HAD A CHANCE TO DISCUSS THE 8710 04:38:27.008 --> 04:38:29.018 IMPLICATIONS OF SOME OF OUR 8711 04:38:29.018 --> 04:38:30.015 CONCERNS. SO DO YOU WANT TO 8712 04:38:30.015 --> 04:38:32.027 DEFER THIS ITEM FOR A PERIOD 8713 04:38:32.027 --> 04:38:33.016 OF TIME? YES. AND DURING THAT 8714 04:38:33.016 --> 04:38:35.011 TIME YOU'RE GOING TO WORK WITH 8715 04:38:35.011 --> 04:38:36.008 STAFF RIGHT. OKAY. DO YOU WANT 8716 04:38:36.008 --> 04:38:38.023 TO WHAT PERIOD OF TIME DO YOU 8717 04:38:38.023 --> 04:38:39.012 THINK YOU'RE GOING TO NEED? I 8718 04:38:39.012 --> 04:38:40.023 >> THINK THE 25TH WOULD WORK. 8719 04:38:40.023 --> 04:38:41.007 ALL RIGHT. SO YOU WANT TO MAKE 8720 04:38:41.007 --> 04:38:43.013 A MOTION TO DEFER THE ITEM FOR 8721 04:38:43.013 --> 04:38:44.020 >> TWO WEEKS THEN I MAKE A 8722 04:38:44.020 --> 04:38:45.021 MOTION TO DEFER >> MOTION 8723 04:38:45.021 --> 04:38:47.026 SECOND TO DEFER THE ITEM FOR 8724 04:38:47.026 --> 04:38:48.012 TWO WEEKS. ARE THERE ANY 8725 04:38:48.012 --> 04:38:50.007 COMMENTS IN THE MOTION >> ANY? 8726 04:38:50.007 --> 04:38:53.004 I'M SORRY. >> JUST KNOW FOR THE 8727 04:38:53.004 --> 04:38:54.014 RECORD WE MAY WANT TO RE NOTICE 8728 04:38:54.014 --> 04:38:55.029 GIVEN THE ACCURATE DESCRIPTION 8729 04:38:55.029 --> 04:38:56.027 . WELL AGAIN >> WE CAN WE CAN 8730 04:38:56.027 --> 04:38:58.008 CLARIFY THAT I BELIEVE THE 8731 04:38:58.008 --> 04:39:00.015 ZONING IS ACCURATE FOR THE 8732 04:39:00.015 --> 04:39:01.011 PORTION THAT POINT TO THREE 8733 04:39:01.011 --> 04:39:03.022 THAT IS BEING RE ZONED OKAY >> 8734 04:39:03.022 --> 04:39:05.016 I ALSO FOR THE THE 8735 04:39:05.016 --> 04:39:07.026 COUNCILMEMBERS >> INFORMATION 8736 04:39:07.026 --> 04:39:10.013 THE ZONING IS CONSISTENT WITH 8737 04:39:10.013 --> 04:39:12.014 THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT THE 8738 04:39:12.014 --> 04:39:14.009 SUBSEQUENT QUESTIONS WILL BE 8739 04:39:14.009 --> 04:39:16.008 WHETHER OR NOT THE THE LOT 8740 04:39:16.008 --> 04:39:18.018 COULD BE SUBDIVIDED WHICH IS A 8741 04:39:18.018 --> 04:39:20.014 SEPARATE ACTION AND THEN ANY 8742 04:39:20.014 --> 04:39:22.022 PERMITS TO BUILD EITHER ONE >> 8743 04:39:22.022 --> 04:39:24.027 HOUSE ON THE LARGER LOT OR IF 8744 04:39:24.027 --> 04:39:26.002 THE LOT WERE SUBDIVIDED INTO 8745 04:39:26.002 --> 04:39:28.003 TWO OR THREE LOTS WITH WHERE >> 8746 04:39:28.003 --> 04:39:30.006 IT COULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THE 8747 04:39:30.006 --> 04:39:31.014 ZONING OR NOT THAT WOULD BE 8748 04:39:31.014 --> 04:39:32.005 APPROPRIATE FOR THE 8749 04:39:32.005 --> 04:39:33.020 NEIGHBORHOOD AS WELL. THOSE ARE 8750 04:39:33.020 --> 04:39:34.019 NOT BEFORE THE COUNCIL WITH 8751 04:39:34.019 --> 04:39:36.028 PARTICULAR ZONING ACTION 8752 04:39:36.028 --> 04:39:37.008 TONIGHT THEY ARE SEPARATE >> 8753 04:39:37.008 --> 04:39:39.022 AND THIS WAS NOT BROUGHT TO THE 8754 04:39:39.022 --> 04:39:41.003 ASSOCIATION BECAUSE IT'S A 8755 04:39:41.003 --> 04:39:43.001 CONFORMING PROPERTY. THERE'S >> 8756 04:39:43.001 --> 04:39:46.007 THE ZONING >> ACTION IS 8757 04:39:46.007 --> 04:39:47.011 CONFORMING WITH THE GENERAL 8758 04:39:47.011 --> 04:39:48.008 PLAN IN THE SURROUNDING 8759 04:39:48.008 --> 04:39:49.017 NEIGHBORHOOD. IT'S THE PROJECT 8760 04:39:49.017 --> 04:39:51.011 ACTIONS THAT THAT I THINK THE 8761 04:39:51.011 --> 04:39:53.006 COMMUNITY HAS AN INTEREST IN 8762 04:39:53.006 --> 04:39:56.017 THAT ARE NOT BEFORE THE COUNCIL 8763 04:39:56.017 --> 04:39:57.024 TONIGHT >> OKAY ANY OF THE 8764 04:39:57.024 --> 04:40:00.003 THINGS ANY OF THE COMMENTS IN 8765 04:40:00.003 --> 04:40:02.009 THE MOTION COUNCILMEMBER CORTEZ 8766 04:40:02.009 --> 04:40:04.011 I WOULD OFFER EVEN THOUGH IT 8767 04:40:04.011 --> 04:40:06.002 MAY BE A LITTLE BIT PREMATURE 8768 04:40:06.002 --> 04:40:09.015 WE HAVE DONE THIS IN THE PAST 8769 04:40:09.015 --> 04:40:10.008 IS THAT IF THE TRAFFIC CALMING 8770 04:40:10.008 --> 04:40:12.024 DIVISION CAN TALK TO THE 8771 04:40:12.024 --> 04:40:13.008 RESIDENTS OBVIOUSLY WORK THE 8772 04:40:13.008 --> 04:40:16.017 DISTRICT AND COUNCIL OFFICE IN 8773 04:40:16.017 --> 04:40:17.024 THE MEANWHILE TO TO ADDRESS 8774 04:40:17.024 --> 04:40:18.024 SOME OF THESE TRAFFIC SAFETY 8775 04:40:18.024 --> 04:40:19.017 CONCERNS THEY'RE PRETTY GOOD 8776 04:40:19.017 --> 04:40:21.007 AT ANTICIPATING YOU KNOW THE 8777 04:40:21.007 --> 04:40:24.001 PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT THE 8778 04:40:24.001 --> 04:40:25.026 PROPERTY AND FIGURING OUT WHAT 8779 04:40:25.026 --> 04:40:26.024 THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO TO 8780 04:40:26.024 --> 04:40:27.026 MITIGATE SOME OF THIS STUFF 8781 04:40:27.026 --> 04:40:28.006 DOWN THE ROAD. >> SURE. I'LL 8782 04:40:28.006 --> 04:40:30.015 I'LL TALK TO DOTTIE ABOUT THAT 8783 04:40:30.015 --> 04:40:32.025 GIVEN THIS IS A SINGLE FAMILY 8784 04:40:32.025 --> 04:40:33.013 AS FAR AS TRAFFIC GENERATION 8785 04:40:33.013 --> 04:40:35.001 THAT'S NOT THE ISSUE. ALL >> 8786 04:40:35.001 --> 04:40:37.026 RIGHT. ANY THE COMMENTS TO THE 8787 04:40:37.026 --> 04:40:38.001 MOTION THE MOTION IS TO DEFER 8788 04:40:38.001 --> 04:40:40.012 FOR TWO WEEKS, RIGHT? THAT IS 8789 04:40:40.012 --> 04:40:43.004 THERE ANY >> DISSENT ON THAT 8790 04:40:43.004 --> 04:40:45.001 MOTION AND THAT MOTION PASSES 8791 04:40:45.001 --> 04:40:47.023 UNANIMOUSLY ITEM 11.3 IS PUBLIC 8792 04:40:47.023 --> 04:40:49.016 HEARING AND CONFORMING REZONING 8793 04:40:49.016 --> 04:40:51.021 OF THE PROPERTY LOCATED THE 8794 04:40:51.021 --> 04:40:52.019 EAST SIDE OF KIRK AVENUE AND 8795 04:40:52.019 --> 04:40:54.026 ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF ON THIS 8796 04:40:54.026 --> 04:40:55.025 ITEM? ALL RIGHT. CUSTOMER >> 8797 04:40:55.025 --> 04:40:58.005 COMMENTS YOU HAVE A QUESTION I 8798 04:40:58.005 --> 04:41:00.025 ASK THAT WE MOVE FOR APPROVAL 8799 04:41:00.025 --> 04:41:01.006 OKAY MOTION SECOND LET ME GO TO 8800 04:41:01.006 --> 04:41:04.018 THE PUBLIC HEARING. I DON'T 8801 04:41:04.018 --> 04:41:05.003 HAVE ANY CARDS ON THIS ITEM. 8802 04:41:05.003 --> 04:41:07.027 ARE THERE ANY MEMBERS OF THE 8803 04:41:07.027 --> 04:41:07.002 PUBLIC WHO CAME THIS EVENING TO 8804 04:41:07.002 --> 04:41:09.007 ADDRESS THE COUNCIL ON 11.3? 8805 04:41:09.007 --> 04:41:12.005 ALL >> RIGHT. CNN OF COURSE 8806 04:41:12.005 --> 04:41:13.014 PUBLIC HEARING WE HAVE A MOTION 8807 04:41:13.014 --> 04:41:14.003 IN A SECOND ON THE FLOOR. ARE 8808 04:41:14.003 --> 04:41:16.023 THERE ANY COMMENTS ON THE 8809 04:41:16.023 --> 04:41:16.017 MOTION? IS THERE ANY DISSENT ON 8810 04:41:16.017 --> 04:41:18.012 THE MOTION THAT MOTION PASSED 8811 04:41:18.012 --> 04:41:20.005 AS UNANIMOUSLY ITEM 11.4 IS A 8812 04:41:20.005 --> 04:41:23.018 PUBLIC HEARING ON A PLAN TO 8813 04:41:23.018 --> 04:41:24.003 REZONING THE PROPERTY LOCATED 8814 04:41:24.003 --> 04:41:26.015 AT 479 WILLOW STREET. ARE THERE 8815 04:41:26.015 --> 04:41:28.021 ANY QUESTIONS STAFF ON THIS 8816 04:41:28.021 --> 04:41:29.021 ITEM SEE NONE. I HAVE NO CARDS 8817 04:41:29.021 --> 04:41:32.029 IN THE PUBLIC. ARE THERE ANY 8818 04:41:32.029 --> 04:41:33.016 MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO CAME 8819 04:41:33.016 --> 04:41:35.018 TO ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL ON 8820 04:41:35.018 --> 04:41:36.003 THIS ITEM THIS EVENING? OKAY. 8821 04:41:36.003 --> 04:41:39.009 CNN WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC 8822 04:41:39.009 --> 04:41:40.008 HEARING. COUNCILMEMBER YEAGER 8823 04:41:40.008 --> 04:41:41.014 THE SENIOR DO I MOVE APPROVAL 8824 04:41:41.014 --> 04:41:43.021 MOTION SECOND TO APPROVE THE 8825 04:41:43.021 --> 04:41:44.024 ITEM >> ARE THERE. ANY COMMENTS 8826 04:41:44.024 --> 04:41:45.012 ON THE MOTION? IS THERE ANY 8827 04:41:45.012 --> 04:41:47.021 DISSENT ON THE MOTION? THAT 8828 04:41:47.021 --> 04:41:48.010 MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY GO TO 8829 04:41:48.010 --> 04:41:50.016 OPEN FORM MARK >> TROUT TICKETS 8830 04:41:50.016 --> 04:41:59.006 IT'S GREAT RIDE SAT IN THE 8831 04:41:59.006 --> 04:42:03.017 CAPITAL FOR A FEW MINUTES. 8832 04:42:03.017 --> 04:42:07.017 WELCOME SIR. YOU HAVE 2 MINUTES 8833 04:42:07.017 --> 04:42:08.002 . HONORABLE MAYOR AND COUNCIL 8834 04:42:08.002 --> 04:42:13.008 >> THE BIBLE SAYS DANIEL 12 THE 8835 04:42:13.008 --> 04:42:19.022 WISE WILL UNDERSTAND THAT FROM 8836 04:42:19.022 --> 04:42:21.001 THE TIME THAT THE DAILY 8837 04:42:21.001 --> 04:42:23.016 SACRIFICE >> IS TAKEN AWAY AND 8838 04:42:23.016 --> 04:42:25.001 THE ABOMINATION THAT MAKES 8839 04:42:25.001 --> 04:42:27.012 DESOLATE SET UP THERE WILL BE 8840 04:42:27.012 --> 04:42:28.019 1290 DAYS. THAT'S A REALLY 8841 04:42:28.019 --> 04:42:30.007 STRANGE STATEMENT THAT GOD 8842 04:42:30.007 --> 04:42:32.009 MAKES HERE BUT WE'RE >> AT THE 8843 04:42:32.009 --> 04:42:34.019 TIME OF THE END AND THE WORDS 8844 04:42:34.019 --> 04:42:35.026 ARE NOT CLOSED UP AND SEALED 8845 04:42:35.026 --> 04:42:36.000 ANY LONGER. WE CAN NOW 8846 04:42:36.000 --> 04:42:38.008 INTERPRET 1290 DAYS TO BE 8847 04:42:38.008 --> 04:42:41.016 EXACTLY 40 JUBILEES PLUS 2000 8848 04:42:41.016 --> 04:42:44.001 DAYS WE COULD SAY 40 JUBILEES 8849 04:42:44.001 --> 04:42:48.027 PLUS 66.6 MONTHS. THAT'S FROM 8850 04:42:48.027 --> 04:42:51.022 JESUS CHRIST FOR THE JUBILEES. 8851 04:42:51.022 --> 04:42:56.019 THERE'S 2000 DAYS FROM THE 40TH 8852 04:42:56.019 --> 04:42:58.001 JUBILEE FROM CHRIST LAND ON 8853 04:42:58.001 --> 04:43:01.019 SEPTEMBER 11TH, 2001. THAT'S 8854 04:43:01.019 --> 04:43:05.015 REALITY. THE >> ABOMINATION 8855 04:43:05.015 --> 04:43:09.001 THAT MAKES DESOLATE IS WHEN 8856 04:43:09.001 --> 04:43:11.009 SATAN >> SET UP OR MADE 8857 04:43:11.009 --> 04:43:14.016 SOMETHING DESOLATE. THE 8858 04:43:14.016 --> 04:43:15.012 RELIGION OF ISLAM IS DEFINITELY 8859 04:43:15.012 --> 04:43:17.017 THE OF SATAN AND GOD HAD 8860 04:43:17.017 --> 04:43:20.006 PREDICTED THIS EVENT I CALLED 8861 04:43:20.006 --> 04:43:22.013 TO RADIO STATIONS KSFO 560 8862 04:43:22.013 --> 04:43:25.001 BARBARA SIMPSON I CALLED THAT A 8863 04:43:25.001 --> 04:43:28.018 FEW DAYS BEFORE THE WORLD TRADE 8864 04:43:28.018 --> 04:43:29.024 CENTER FELL I CALLED KEITH 8865 04:43:29.024 --> 04:43:31.013 ACTUALLY 1100 CRAIG ROBERTS 8866 04:43:31.013 --> 04:43:33.021 STATION THE DAY BEFORE 911 >> 8867 04:43:33.021 --> 04:43:40.023 JESUS IS COMING BACK. JESUS 8868 04:43:40.023 --> 04:43:43.027 CHRIST IS COMING >> BACK AND 8869 04:43:43.027 --> 04:43:45.014 THE MOST ABOMINABLE THING ABOUT 8870 04:43:45.014 --> 04:43:47.021 THE RELIGION >> OF ISLAM IS I 8871 04:43:47.021 --> 04:43:49.006 JUST SPOKE WITH A OVER THERE 8872 04:43:49.006 --> 04:43:52.000 WHO'S A MOSLEM JANITOR AND THEY 8873 04:43:52.000 --> 04:43:54.012 BELIEVE THAT JESUS CHRIST WAS 8874 04:43:54.012 --> 04:43:55.021 NOT KILLED. IT SAYS THAT JESUS 8875 04:43:55.021 --> 04:43:58.018 CHRIST WAS KILLED AND THE BLOOD 8876 04:43:58.018 --> 04:44:00.024 OF JESUS WASHES AWAY SIN. 8877 04:44:00.024 --> 04:44:02.007 THAT'S A GLORIOUS TRUTH AND THE 8878 04:44:02.007 --> 04:44:05.017 FACT OF THE MATTER IS IF YOU 8879 04:44:05.017 --> 04:44:06.000 ARE NOT COVID BY THE BLOOD 8880 04:44:06.000 --> 04:44:08.004 OF JESUS CHRIST YOU WILL SPEND 8881 04:44:08.004 --> 04:44:10.000 ETERNITY IN. THAT IS REALITY. 8882 04:44:10.000 --> 04:44:14.019 CINDY, I SPOKE WITH YOU TO 8883 04:44:14.019 --> 04:44:15.003 MAGICALLY THANK YOU >> VERY 8884 04:44:15.003 --> 04:44:17.003 MUCH SIR. THAT COMPLETES OUR 8885 04:44:17.003 --> 04:44:19.006 CITY COUNCIL MEETING FOR THIS 8886 04:44:19.006 --> 04:44:20.006 EVENING >> 8887 04:44:20.006 --> 04:44:26.006

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